Topic: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? - page 78. (Read 20317 times)

i do get it. but the thing is your not understanding your own words

"gene therapy" is a buzzword with many meanings it includes the sub groups of DNA and RNA methods. it can be whole chromosome changes or simple enzymes tweaks and in the middle proteins and polypeptides

so you using the blanket term makes you subtly push the narrative that pfizer is saying it is altering peoples DNA

where as protein therapy is a more specific subgroup. because it explains what happens more precicely
and yes you have been trying to push the false narrative of DNA mutation before.


i also have to add that the covid vaccine does not alter the mechanics of a cell to be a custom virus factory. it uses a cells current format and mechanics create new proteins protein formation. you wont find these vaccines changing the mechanics of how cells work. it just feds in bio data into a existing factory and that existing factory without modifying the factory produces a new product

its like a printer. a printer is still a printer no matter what document you feed it. you dont turn a paper printer into a 3d printer by just feeding it a document. you dont turn the printer mechanics into a lizard..
you just feed it a few lines of code and it displays the code in a way that its told. without breaking the printer.

so stop trying to push a narrative of it creating mutant humans by vaccination. its not

changing a paper printer into a 3d printer. changing the mechanics is DNA level stuff. not rna level stuff

https://www.asgct.org/research/news/november-2020/covid-19-moderna-nih-vaccine


'protein therapy' is plain old inactivated virus vaccines which have been in use for decades.  There are some fairly new techniques called, for example, 'subunit vaccines' which use synthesized proteins which were synthesized in a factory.  NOT by changing the genetics within one's cells and turning the cells themselves into a custom virus particle (and/or other protein) making factory.

Are you starting to get it now?

now your getting it protein therapy
+! tvbcof

.. as for badecker.. even in 2021 quoting kaufman from may. where his google searches were about january. makes him outdated even in his May speaches..
so stop quoting him like he was ever relevant in May and even more irrelevant now

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if you want a real good conspiracy to dig your claws into. dig your claws into the amount of people on 'do no resuscitate' orders. meaning if they get really sick they will not be given treatment for the ailment. and only offered palleative care to not feel the damage occuring inside them.
UK has shown that ~30% of covid deaths are in residential care. because when they got covid. they were not given oxygen therapy or treatments to help fight it. no hospital visit.. and instead given pain killers and immune surpressors to treat the adverse symptoms so that they can die in blissful peace.
personally im conflicted on this stat.
in most cases i can see how families thought its their time. and that prolonging their already limited life is not going to help because of their condition even before getting covid was not really a life.
but in some cases some of them may have survived covid if treated. and could have had some kind of last few weeks or months with their family to say goodbye. instead of alone in a residential home in a quarantined room.
yes these people did die due to covid. because covid caused their breathing issues which then spiralled into other things like organ failure and cytokine storms. but the lack of trying to treat covid. and just offering palliative care ensured their death

so how about you actually look into the realities of covid and the actual negatives of covid

They are both gene therapy.  They both use genetic codes to hijack the cell apparatus and have it create designer proteins.

BioNTech and Moderna's mRNA techniques have been developed for a while as gene therapy supposedly targeting cancers.  At least that was the marketing pitch.  They largely failed because of the unanticipated effects.  So, what do to?  Add some adjuvants, call them 'vaccines', get the complete legal indemnification for damages granted to 'vaccines', and get the government to use their propaganda and legal apparatus to jam them into the peep's arms, and your product is all of a sudden wildly 'successful' and an endless fountain of profits.

AstraZeneca is almost the same as the non-multiplying mRNA ones above, but what they do is put designer DNA into the cell nucleus.  That then pumps out designer mRNA into the cytoplasm.  For how long it continues to do this is anyone's guess.  It will for sure stop when the victim dies.

The reports are supposed to express what is being done regarding the thing that they report about. If they say that they are reporting virus isolation, the reports are supposed to show the virus isolation. All that Kaufman is doing is showing that the reports don't show virus isolation in their wording, even though they talk about virus isolation.

Has any virus isolation ever been done in the world? All that Kaufman is showing is that he hasn't found a report that shows it.

How many virus isolation reports are there in the world? Has Kaufman read all of them? Probably there are loads that Kaufman hasn't read, right? So, it is quite possible that some people have done the isolation correctly.

Kaufman is quite logical in what he is doing. He has identified certain word and phrase patterns in isolation reports. Because of this, he can run right to places in reports to show that they have or haven't been done correctly. This means that he can go through reports faster than ever, to see if isolation is really being reported on or not. He's getting really good at it.

The debunking you are talking about only debunks itself. The reason why is that there isn't any isolation in all those reports that you have been showing. Dr. Kaufman is simply showing it in a down-to-earth, step-by-step way (in his works at his website). He was barely given the opportunity to speak a complete thought in this video.

As for the whole talk that Dr. Mikovits says, it is based on virus theory. According to virus theory, she is probably accurate. But she jumps around too much to be certain. However, when you view virus theory slowly, there are all kinds of little spots in it where it is based on assumption rather than actual fact. That's why it remains theory.

so you admit he is wrong.
you admit he is not curing people
you admit he is not getting famous or rich from curing people
.. one step forward..

but then try to add in a new narrative that fits your conspiracy..
...2 steps back..

the virus has been isolated. they even can identify different strains.. catch up.. its 2021

just because an idiot says it hasnt ben isolated doesnt mean it has not.
thousands of thousands of people specialising in actually looking at the virus have said its been isolated.

kaufman has not treated patients nor took blood samples, nor taken any mucus samples nor looked at samples under a scope(of any magnification tech)

I think Kaufman simply didn't go into detail for lack of time (you saw how he was pressured out of the picture in the video). If he had had the time, I believe he would have explained it something like this:

Yes, according to accepted virus theory, because a virus contains part of the host cell, it is a virus. But since there isn't any isolation of a virus according to accepted, basic standards (Rivers'/Koch's Postulates), there is no proof that this whole cellular operation isn't something else, and that other theories as to what it is are being suppressed by the medical.

Personally, I think that we are seeing through the whole medial suppression of HCQ as a cure for Covid, when there is ample evidence that HCQ can easily cure/control Covid, that the whole virus theory might be science fiction. After all, when you search for it, you can see loads of info that suggest that the immune system fighting toxins, and overreacting to toxins, is the thing that is making people sick. If this is the fact, vaccines are only making things far worse, especially in the long run.

This isn't to say that Kaufman is necessarily right. If he were right, he and his colleagues would be curing all kinds of stuff right and left, and making a fortune from the cures. Or is he simply being careful, to keep from being assassinated by Big Pharma?

RNA not DNA.. please learn the difference. then you might actually realise your "gene therapy" buzzword becomes meaningless

Well, that's a possibility too. Bill himself isn't making it easier for us with his other speeches and tweets. There are tons of other clips where he talks obsessively about vaccination.

This idiotic vid has been a gift which keeps on giving for a decade or so that I remember.  It tells you for sure that an uploader is a drooling idiot or a deliberated deceptive and disruptive actor.  Usually the latter.

I'm willing to entertain the notion that this is 'bill gates', or that the discussion has anything to do with 'vaccines' or 'fundamentalism' if there is even one tiny shred of evidence that either is true.  There isn't, and there hasn't been for a decade.  Anyone can take a random lecture, put up some laughable OSD and voice-over with none-sense.  At least the perps should try to get a lecture which is somewhat relevant to the scam in terms of presentation material and try to sync just a little bit better.  This is a joke, but it is very instructive about just how gullible the average person is.

As much as it pains me to say it, I cannot really disagree with this slimy little worm Harari's characterization of most people as 'hackable animals.'
 
  https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/dump-davos-1-data-colonialism-hackable-humans/

Enjoy your gene therapy because anyone who falls for crap like the above absolutely lacks the tools to avoid what's coming their way.  And fast.

first let me play into the conspiracy theorists..
well that 'proposal' was not in covid. because the idiots on this forum that say they had covid sometime over the last year. are still being fanatics. so that must prove covid didnt contain any anti-fanatic viral genome.

also most proposals are not about that they have the tech ready. its that they want to grab government money to do so called R&D for the HOPE of having a tech in the future.
many times its just about grabbing money to keep getting a wage for another 5 years without having to produce results anytime soon.

i know this video plays into the conspiracy narrative of turning energetic free-thinkers into docile drones.
but seems that its just a 'heres some random idea i thought of, pay me' proposal

i know the conspiracy theorists will pretend this tech(that doesnt exist now) has somehow already been used. or they wil say that governments will use it as soon as the tech is available.
or say how the DoD is restricted from germ warfare so it would be a plot birthed by CIA.

but the reality is this:
(now the part that real people that are not idiots can understand)
looking at the high-def version of the video. its not even bill gates speaking. and the room is not a government room full of cia/dod people.
its just a group of people acting and making a prank video to accelerate the conspiracy cult.
you too can hire a lecture room for half a day for under $100 and pull off the same prank to twist the minds of conspiracy nuts.
heck you can then even get the conspiracy nuts to pay you for your prank by asking them to donate to you to 'investigate' if your own end-produced video is real. and then just for fun reply to them saying 'yes'

Why in the world a goddamn computer geek would be so interested in vaccines, human DNA and shit?

This whole thing will blow up in their face.


https://rumble.com/vcr8ot-bill-gates-talking-with-cia-about-gene-suppressing-vaccine.html

He says the top individual is a religious fanatic, the other one is not. Now I realized, both front and mid parts of my right brain hurts when I think too hard. I think they didn't include me in their tests. Fucking freaks.

Most of forum's health experts will ignore this video I bet. Go on say it, that is a fake.

not lazy.i tried being 'scientific' and this forum just goes to crazy town not understanding it.
i dumb down the wording to atleast make idiots grasp the basics.

ive tried levelling up idiots to try grasping higher level education stuff. but they just never get it. so it ends up having to dumb things down

yes its easier. because i could write 2000 word stuff to really get to the detail. but other forum readers will just reply TL:DR(too long didnt read).. yep its a thing.
so although its good to be detailed and thorough. its better to atleast plant a seed of basics. to atleast give the readers something to root into their mind and then go forth and grow by doing their own independent research on.

spoonfeeding thorough detail on this forum doesnt work. so i gave up on spoonfeeding idiots the thorough detail.
what you find is when others say 'your being to simple' you find those others are not adding any value. as idiots will just ignore others details. and it turns into just a game of who can look like they are smarter. and it just becomes an EGO game.

but if you like the EGO game. il keep this short
mycoplamas do have independent life to be able to replicate without a host cell. the lack of cell wall means that they cant carry their own fuel but do carry their own replication 'factory'. thus they just need to get the fuel from the environment.
mycoplamas can grow outside a living host. as all they need is nutrients. not a separate host factory
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its like snakes. some rely on nutriants of the mother snake. some are in their own egg with their own nutriants. it does not mean a 'live birth snake' is not a snake because other snakes are born by egg.
the method of birth growth via nutrient mechanism does not declare them as a completely different phyla species
nor does it mean if different phyla species which are birthed the same way cause them to be treated as the same phyla species
EG humans are not dolphins

Nope.  You are simplifying basic '101' levels of biology because it is easy and/or you are lazy.  There are bacteria which lack a lot of the basic machinery necessary for independent life as do viruses and rely on exploitation of other cells to perform basic biological functions.  One example would be mycoplasmas.  That does NOT make them 'viruses' although they do share some properties which are easily understandable with an understanding of their life-ways.

'Viruses' have long been used as a boogie-man to explain away other things which some people want hidden because viruses are difficult to study and understand.  The so-called 'Spanish flu' is a good example of this, and it works almost just as well 100 years later with the covid-19 scam.  But that doesn't mean that 'viruses don't exist.'

Although publicly accessible science has helped the public understand the details of various scientific and medical frauds on a technical level, other mechanisms are under development to offset the loss. One of these are psychological and social operations such as the 'viruses don't exist' operation which we are disusing now.  The 'flat earth' psy-op is a similar phenomenon.

yep, else they would be defined as bacteria.

viruses need hosts. whether its a bioligical virus or a computer virus. they replicate within a host.

the whole 'virus contains part of host cell' the virus contain viral RNA that is the 'package' that causes problems to peoples health.

they have isolated the 'package' and used that to infect other specimens and watch the results(symptom onset). and then isolated the package from within the specimen and compared it. then compared that from other isolated results from other species and specimens and samples from other labs in other countries.
thus verifying their find.
they also checked uninfected people and not found the isolated package which further proves that its the virus that is causing the health problems with certain known symptomology

lastly.. as i know badecker is itching to spout out his next theory.. its not an exosome. the form the shape the size the purpose the effect the action and reaction of a virus is not the same as an exosome.

its like comparing a car to a phone. they both made in a factory. but being made in a factory is not the sole definition needed to declare a car and a phone as the same thing.
a exosome and a virus are made in a cell. but thats about as much as you can say to compare the two.

kaufmans speach was from back in like May.. where he based his theory on google searches he done regarding january.

funny part is that in january china already isolated it. but kaufman dismissed china 'cos it china' what he did avoid is looking at the february/march data which is where the virus spread to other countries giving the oppertunity to then isolate it locally in other countries labs.

so while munching his words in May he was already debunked.

even funnier is that every month since january more and more countries isolated. passing koch, rivers and even bell. badecker has been given the links. hack even the people kaufman quotes have debunked kaufman. he has failed to use true quotes and is making up theories by lack of facts.
his failure to do research does not mean research does not exist.

many countries and many labs within countries have isolated it.
they have done it via many different processes. many different specimens. and when comparing results it proves the result is accurate. so you cant even blame the lab or the process.

badecker keeps forgetting the debunks ad just endlessly cycles back to outdated stuff from atleast 6 months ago.

so badecker i know you love quoting outdated videos. but try to catch up. repeating outdated false narratives does not make them true, no matter how many times you repeat it

I was distracted and doing a bunch of other things as I listened.  Will listen again when I have time.  Would like to find a vid without the input of that ignorant idiot who obviously threw away to many joints.

Mikovits is saying that no virus has the ability to make anything on it's own.  They rely on cellular infrastructure of the exploited host cell to do this.  That is an established fact.

Mikovits is saying that some viruses work by simply using, as their protective layer, a part of the host cell.  They steal it as bud off from the cell.  (Other's instigate assembly of the protective structure within the cell.)  That's just how they work.

Kaufman (a psychologist) is saying that because the virus contains part of the host cell it is not a virus.  This is like saying a bubble doesn't exist because it has a soap skin.  Kaufman probably is does know enough biology to understand this...and he knows enough psychology to understand that most people do NOT understand this.

What really gets under my skin is that, yes, Mikovits uses 'big words'.  This is because she is a domain specialist and 'can't help it'.  I know from painful experience how this happens.  Kaufman (the psychologist) understands perfectly well that a large percentage of people can be 'brought around' because they simply cannot understand 'big words' and their reaction will be rejection and be drawn to a simple, and often totally retarded and counterproductive message (e.g., 'viruses don't exist').

The appropriate response when one runs across 'big words' is not to reject them but to study them.  People who cannot or will not do that should simple go back to school rather than jump on some band-wagon of someone who simplifies things down to their level.  What really pisses me off is to see how clearly Kaufman understand and exploits the psychological dynamics here.

Nurse aide dies after receiving work-mandated coronavirus "vaccine" shot
https://vaccinedeaths.com/2021-01-29-nurse-aide-died-after-getting-vaccinated.html#

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https://archive.vn/0iEFt

64yo man dead within hours with covid "vaccine"
https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccine-ruled-contributing-012014472.html

Basically, Dr. Kaufman is simply saying that, according to accepted scientific medical standards for isolating a virus, viruses haven't been isolated. Dr. Kaufman relies heavily on Rivers' upgrade of Koch's Postulates as the method, even though he doesn't say it in this video.

Basically, Dr. Mikovits is saying that there is an overwhelming "substance" within infected tissues. She calls the substance a kind of virus, but she is unable/unwilling to talk about the actual isolation process.

Dr. Kaufman suggests that until we are certain of the virus through virus isolation, we don't really know what it is that is making up the substance that Dr. Mikovits is talking about, or if it is this substance that is really doing the harm and damage. Dr. Kaufman suggests that viruses are simply exosome messengers, but isn't given time to state this in this video.

Dr. Mikovits more or less contradicts herself on points regarding virus and not virus, and substances that are harming people. Certainly she recognizes that vaccines are doing more harm than good, and she explains it, saying way too much, way too fast, and leaving in-between steps out that we would need to hear to understand what she is really talking about.

The video presenter (not the host in the interview) seems to be very clear about what is going on regarding what Dr. Kaufman is saying. He clarifies much of the Dr. Kaufman would have said if he had been given the chance, starting at about 36 minutes.

The point is, if the medical accepts Rivers' upgrade of Koch's Postulates as the bottom-line standard for isolating a virus, then isolation of SARS-CoV-2 (and many/most other viruses) hasn't been done. This means that we don't really know if these unisolated viruses really exist as viruses or not. All this is based in the descriptions of what viruses are.

This isn't to say that processes being used are absolutely not beneficial for helping people. What it does say is that current medical processes are rather hit and miss processes. Sometimes they may work and other times they don't. Often they are way more dangerous than the disease they are trying to protect against.