Topic: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? - page 78. (Read 20577 times)

No, I don't trust to vaccines for covid, it is too early to speak about some efficiency, because now, no one can say what to expect from it and possible mutations in our organism, we need at least 5 years to acquire some information from descendants and possible DNA mutations.

Just bet vaccineted if your tied of living
https://vaccinedeaths.com/2021-01-31-55-dead-us-coronavirus-vaccine-federal-database.html#

No its not a vaccine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_vgIdcUoIE

The lethal injection working well, better than aids version
Fernando Katukina, Brazillian indigenous leader died, "vaccinated" January 19
https://globoplay.globo.com/v/9229480/

Have you made appointment with creator, visit nearest injection side
https://humansarefree.com/2021/02/7-dead-and-all-residents-infected-in-spanish-nursing-home-after-the-experimental-pfizer-mrna-shots.html

Quit trying to obfuscate.  This stuff is not that hard.

 - The genetic material tells the ribosome how to make what protein.

 - The gene therapies work by getting custom genetic instructions into ribosomes.  When these custom made instructions 'execute' in the ribosome the ribosome pumps out the proteins that the designer coded for.

First you try to flat out deny things.  When that doesn't work you try to overly complicate with a bunch of nonsense.  Lack of capitalization and punctuation is feature and not a bug for a word-salad spam specialist.  Your technique is OK with me because sometimes it provides a good opportunity to make things clear and hopefully help a few people resist being injured.

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Oh, by the way, I guess you gave up on trying to find one of the 'many' instances of me saying that the vaccines gene therapies modify the victim's DNA? 

you really have no clue.

let me make this one thing clear.
the .doc file reader in a printer is not altered by a usb stick with .doc files on it. mrna is a .doc file. what your trying to insinuate is that its actually a firmware upgrade(.exe). sorry its not. its analogously a .doc file not an .exe file.. know the difference

if you cannot understand why they did not choose tRNA, saRNA, rRNA modRNA, then thats your issue.
but the science is clear why they chose mRNA.
the sarna stuff. thats not in the vaccine vial.
its in the special culture in the lab facility used for mass producing.
EG in the machines that make .doc files contains the .exe file
the vaccine then only contains .doc files. only .doc files are then distributed out to vaccine clinics

emphasis. mrna DOES NOT create a lipid bubble with its own corona of spikes that is excreted and allowed to flow in bodily fluids.(little furballs of ginger hair that get around the house)(new firmware)
its DOES creates protein spikes(ginger hair follicles) on the shell of the cell that created it. (paper document) on feedout tray, sitting on the printer that created it

you can pretend all you like that because i have to dumb it down for you means that i am not talking sciency enough. but it seems being sciency hasnt helped you so far, so maybe you need the dumbed down version

just because you cant understand college level math so someone comes along  and starts teaching you 3rd grade maths. does not mean the math is wrong. it means you beleive that your some 10th grader that can read a college book because you have gone to the library and found such a book. but still does not then by default show you understand the college level literature. it just shows your upset that someone sounds condescending by handing you 3rd grade math.

maybe you need to accept that you need to grasp the basics again just to then be able to progress.

what you have to realise is that this public forum has many readers. and although i poke at your learning level, my dumbed down analogies may actually help other people that are not college level. people that have not yet even got into the sciency stuff. people that dont want to spend months learning the sciency buzzwords. people that just want straight answers that even a 3rd grader can understand.

I won't say that they really don't care about the virus, they do care for it that's why protocols are being set and measured for their passengers and crew. What's devastating in the airline industry is that they've lost around 20 years of total with those lockdowns that has been made due to the pandemic. That's why a lot of crew has been laid off and sadly, removed. They are starting to recover and they are just one of the many affected industries that are trying to get up.

But with the new covid variant, another restrictions have been made and that's another problem and loss for those affected airline companies by countries that have closed their borders.

What I've read is that some airline companies won't allow a passenger to get in if they haven't been shot by a vaccine, whether you trust the vaccine or not and you're traveling elsewhere which requires air travel, you have to take it.

I would say, I don't for now why? for everything and everyone is taking flights airports are running people will come and go from different countries. Airport owners do not care about Covid or the virus as long as they earn money. The Government does not take any action for the taxes they get from a company is a big one.

That is the only thing I see wrong in the different countries that they might have testing kits. Sadly, it was said that even if you are positive the chances are still not positive and the word was covid can be undetectable until your feeling becomes severe. Sometimes with the help of the testing kit, it can and really can't identify.

Plus we people, are the problem, not just the Government.

In my country, I read that my fellow men are shaming and bullying Chinese people because we all know that Covid came from China. Iam not pointing out Chinese people. People who shame them did the wrong thing because every bad thing we do you will get karma or rather everything will bounce back to you negatively.

Some, just want to enjoy that people who are flying over different countries are a big problem, you all know what I mean. Covid is a virus you can catch it anywhere even if you are in a safety protocol.


I know staying in a house of yours, might bore you but at least your safe.

Nope.  You run a program in memory.  It usually comes off the disk, but not always.  When you load up an mRNA into a ribosome it makes no difference whether it was transcribed off chromosomal DNA from the nucleus, plasmid DNA from the nucleus (AstraZeneca) or mRNA pumped into the cell via some gene therapy technique (Pfizer, Moderna.)

As for saRNA I meant what I said.  It is identified as so by the Imperial College developers and it means Self Amplifying RNA.  The idea is that you don't need to create and transfect as much mRNA because, via the 'secret sauce' of this developer, it spins off some copies of itself before loading into the ribosome.

You don't know what I'm talking about and you don't know what you are talking about.  You are operating at a very primitive level of understanding when it comes to this technology.

first reprogramming cell is a dna thing.
secondly mRNA is not saRNA.

also your example of saRNA is about replicating so much it bursts the cell.. again not related to reprogramming a cell factory.. and just telling a printer to print more until the printer burns out and blows up
saRNA is not mRNA and mRNA is not saRNA
(so not even sure why you brought it up.. but oh well.. lessons learned i hope)

you then, even now are saying the cell has run amok. sorry but the mrna is not programming the cell to replicate until burst.. nor reprogramming anything. thus no amok to amok
its just feeding in one biological file thats getting translated by the printer into one piece of paper(protein)
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ok lets try another method
imagine the vaccine code is 'ginger hair' because gingers are bad..
now what your projecting(badly) is that the vaccine is sperm. it enters a body creates more gingers via pregnancy and then those gingers can go out and spread... sorry no
try to cry less about 'pumping out parts' thinking that it can spread like cancer..

its simply an instruction sheet that makes that one persons hair go ginger without doing anything to that persons own sperm and without it then causing new offspring in its horny next door neighbours

by ginger hair i mean spikey things hanging on the outer shell of a cell

creating a spike protein.
VS
creating a enveloped pathogen with its own spikes and contains more rna to then reinfect other cells..
... are two different things
making your hair ginger is different to making your sperm contain ginger genes

again if you want to use my ginger hair analogy as your rebuttle
stop imagining it like injecting a vaccine which creates new rna that then sweat out a persons forehead and can be passed on in the fluid to other foreheads and repeat.
instead imagine it as just dying that one persons forehead with his one instruction. and once that instruction has processed thats it. for that person
yes more dosage means more instructions. means more cells to follow. but thats the dosage. not the rna
emphasis the instruction is not to creating more instructions.

the vaccine is the hairdye for that one person(cell). it does not replicate.. and any remnants of hairdye fade out within weeks.. so also drop the cries about 'causing issues years in the future'

there have been many good reasons to use mrna instead of the multitude of other rna/dna mechanisms available

It's a particularly bad one since it says (and means) nothing about modifying the cell's DNA.

Try again.  It should be easy if there are so many examples.

What you found is, in fact, questions (with no answers) from a presentation of the principle scientist working on the (now defunct...for the Gate's 'first one' ailment) saRNA idea at Imperial Collage.  'sa' stands for 'self amplifying'.  After re-watching the presentation I see that at least the damage to the genetics of an infected cell is implemented as a segment of the designer genetic material so it can be hoped that not EVERY cell in the body loses it's ability to recognize and kill of instances where a cell has run amok, is pumping out virus parts, and won't quit.  The fact that the body has mechanisms to kill off such 'gone haywire' cells is a big problem for this form of gene therapy technology and it makes it so that boosters don't work for shit.


They do it by inserting designer genetic material inside the cell.  This designer code 'runs' in the ribosomes to produce designer proteins.  This is as close as it gets to 're-programming', and everyone on either side will describe it as such.

just one example of many.
where you have been pushing some conspiracy of a bill gates plot to reprogram cells.
maybe today you are trying to correct yourself by realising you were wrong in the august example.
maybe your trying to slowly shift from talking about your old DNA mutants drama of last year
maybe your slowly trying to take baby steps into understanding what RNA can and cant do.
maybe your doing it slowly to not just out yourself as being wrong.

maybe in 2 weeks you will drop the 'gene therapy' blanket term as your bridge-word between old theory and new theory
maybe instead just concentrate on the protein subcategory.
lots of maybe's. but one thing is for sure you have been trying to push a narrative about vaccines causing reprogrammed cells/mutants.


in short rna vaccines are about making proteins.. not reprogramming cells

mrna is not used to turn a printer into a lizard.
mrna is to change what document is being printed

Nobody changes a 'whole chromosome' you nit-wit.


Tell it to ASGCT (American Society of Gene & Cell Therapy) trade organization which I linked to above.


Dead wrong.  I never said that and in fact I strongly cautioned AGAINST doing so unless it could be demonstrated.  So far it has not been to the best of my knowledge.

I have pointed out that retroviruses work by doing inserts of RNA into DNA.  Whether I ever mused that retroviral infections and reverse transcriptase molecules could splice in some of the designer mRNA from time to time (either by accident or design) I don't recall.  Someone should do it however.

This stuff is most relevant if it effects germ cells.  Someone (besides friends Epstein and Gates who fantasized about 'seeding future humanity' with their and/or their genetically superior friend's DNA) should probably be considering that as well.

i do get it. but the thing is your not understanding your own words

"gene therapy" is a buzzword with many meanings it includes the sub groups of DNA and RNA methods. it can be whole chromosome changes or simple enzymes tweaks and in the middle proteins and polypeptides

so you using the blanket term makes you subtly push the narrative that pfizer is saying it is altering peoples DNA

where as protein therapy is a more specific subgroup. because it explains what happens more precicely
and yes you have been trying to push the false narrative of DNA mutation before.


i also have to add that the covid vaccine does not alter the mechanics of a cell to be a custom virus factory. it uses a cells current format and mechanics create new proteins protein formation. you wont find these vaccines changing the mechanics of how cells work. it just feds in bio data into a existing factory and that existing factory without modifying the factory produces a new product

its like a printer. a printer is still a printer no matter what document you feed it. you dont turn a paper printer into a 3d printer by just feeding it a document. you dont turn the printer mechanics into a lizard..
you just feed it a few lines of code and it displays the code in a way that its told. without breaking the printer.

so stop trying to push a narrative of it creating mutant humans by vaccination. its not

changing a paper printer into a 3d printer. changing the mechanics is DNA level stuff. not rna level stuff

https://www.asgct.org/research/news/november-2020/covid-19-moderna-nih-vaccine


'protein therapy' is plain old inactivated virus vaccines which have been in use for decades.  There are some fairly new techniques called, for example, 'subunit vaccines' which use synthesized proteins which were synthesized in a factory.  NOT by changing the genetics within one's cells and turning the cells themselves into a custom virus particle (and/or other protein) making factory.

Are you starting to get it now?

now your getting it protein therapy
+! tvbcof

.. as for badecker.. even in 2021 quoting kaufman from may. where his google searches were about january. makes him outdated even in his May speaches..
so stop quoting him like he was ever relevant in May and even more irrelevant now

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if you want a real good conspiracy to dig your claws into. dig your claws into the amount of people on 'do no resuscitate' orders. meaning if they get really sick they will not be given treatment for the ailment. and only offered palleative care to not feel the damage occuring inside them.
UK has shown that ~30% of covid deaths are in residential care. because when they got covid. they were not given oxygen therapy or treatments to help fight it. no hospital visit.. and instead given pain killers and immune surpressors to treat the adverse symptoms so that they can die in blissful peace.
personally im conflicted on this stat.
in most cases i can see how families thought its their time. and that prolonging their already limited life is not going to help because of their condition even before getting covid was not really a life.
but in some cases some of them may have survived covid if treated. and could have had some kind of last few weeks or months with their family to say goodbye. instead of alone in a residential home in a quarantined room.
yes these people did die due to covid. because covid caused their breathing issues which then spiralled into other things like organ failure and cytokine storms. but the lack of trying to treat covid. and just offering palliative care ensured their death

so how about you actually look into the realities of covid and the actual negatives of covid

They are both gene therapy.  They both use genetic codes to hijack the cell apparatus and have it create designer proteins.

BioNTech and Moderna's mRNA techniques have been developed for a while as gene therapy supposedly targeting cancers.  At least that was the marketing pitch.  They largely failed because of the unanticipated effects.  So, what do to?  Add some adjuvants, call them 'vaccines', get the complete legal indemnification for damages granted to 'vaccines', and get the government to use their propaganda and legal apparatus to jam them into the peep's arms, and your product is all of a sudden wildly 'successful' and an endless fountain of profits.

AstraZeneca is almost the same as the non-multiplying mRNA ones above, but what they do is put designer DNA into the cell nucleus.  That then pumps out designer mRNA into the cytoplasm.  For how long it continues to do this is anyone's guess.  It will for sure stop when the victim dies.

The reports are supposed to express what is being done regarding the thing that they report about. If they say that they are reporting virus isolation, the reports are supposed to show the virus isolation. All that Kaufman is doing is showing that the reports don't show virus isolation in their wording, even though they talk about virus isolation.

Has any virus isolation ever been done in the world? All that Kaufman is showing is that he hasn't found a report that shows it.

How many virus isolation reports are there in the world? Has Kaufman read all of them? Probably there are loads that Kaufman hasn't read, right? So, it is quite possible that some people have done the isolation correctly.

Kaufman is quite logical in what he is doing. He has identified certain word and phrase patterns in isolation reports. Because of this, he can run right to places in reports to show that they have or haven't been done correctly. This means that he can go through reports faster than ever, to see if isolation is really being reported on or not. He's getting really good at it.

The debunking you are talking about only debunks itself. The reason why is that there isn't any isolation in all those reports that you have been showing. Dr. Kaufman is simply showing it in a down-to-earth, step-by-step way (in his works at his website). He was barely given the opportunity to speak a complete thought in this video.

As for the whole talk that Dr. Mikovits says, it is based on virus theory. According to virus theory, she is probably accurate. But she jumps around too much to be certain. However, when you view virus theory slowly, there are all kinds of little spots in it where it is based on assumption rather than actual fact. That's why it remains theory.

so you admit he is wrong.
you admit he is not curing people
you admit he is not getting famous or rich from curing people
.. one step forward..

but then try to add in a new narrative that fits your conspiracy..
...2 steps back..

the virus has been isolated. they even can identify different strains.. catch up.. its 2021

just because an idiot says it hasnt ben isolated doesnt mean it has not.
thousands of thousands of people specialising in actually looking at the virus have said its been isolated.

kaufman has not treated patients nor took blood samples, nor taken any mucus samples nor looked at samples under a scope(of any magnification tech)

I think Kaufman simply didn't go into detail for lack of time (you saw how he was pressured out of the picture in the video). If he had had the time, I believe he would have explained it something like this:

Yes, according to accepted virus theory, because a virus contains part of the host cell, it is a virus. But since there isn't any isolation of a virus according to accepted, basic standards (Rivers'/Koch's Postulates), there is no proof that this whole cellular operation isn't something else, and that other theories as to what it is are being suppressed by the medical.

Personally, I think that we are seeing through the whole medial suppression of HCQ as a cure for Covid, when there is ample evidence that HCQ can easily cure/control Covid, that the whole virus theory might be science fiction. After all, when you search for it, you can see loads of info that suggest that the immune system fighting toxins, and overreacting to toxins, is the thing that is making people sick. If this is the fact, vaccines are only making things far worse, especially in the long run.

This isn't to say that Kaufman is necessarily right. If he were right, he and his colleagues would be curing all kinds of stuff right and left, and making a fortune from the cures. Or is he simply being careful, to keep from being assassinated by Big Pharma?

RNA not DNA.. please learn the difference. then you might actually realise your "gene therapy" buzzword becomes meaningless