Topic: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? - page 77. (Read 20317 times)

LOL.  You are literally stringing together random words.


Never said there was.  That's a straw-man which is not even close to what I, or anyone else I know of, ever said.  There is synthesized DNA spliced into the adenovirus' DNA.  The adenovirus vectors it into the nucleus of the victim's cells.

This is not 'old' AstraZeneca tech.  It's how the current gene therapy trials that they are running on millions of victims work.

As funny as your random word soup is it gets old fairly quickly so it's not worth keeping.  Thanks for playing.  Time to call in your team leader and ask for a replacement for your whooped ass and for a re-assignment to a different subject because bio-medical is obviously not something you are up to.

For future reference, viruses don't have a 'nucleus'.  They are not even prokaryotes, much less eukaryotes.

disagree..
your grabbing lots of old data about outdated old tech.

the glycoprotein in the nucleus of the vaccine.. is not a full length dna from the human growth factor.
there is no fetal DNA in the adenovirus nucleus
there is no monkey dna in the adenovirus nucleus

please stop wasting hours on this forum trying to find pre 2019 data to benefit your conspiracy. and instead spend those same hours learning about the glycoprotein thats in AZ covid19 vaccine

learn the limitations of what this glycoprotein can and cannot do.
learn the genetic sequence. learn that its length is not that of dna.
learn that it does not contain the 'programming' sequences

i really think you are trying to mix things up to try pushing a false agenda which many conspiracy theorists have been trying to push, that people are being injected by full length dna from a fetus kidneys trying to modify humans
so ill say it now and already said before.. there is not fetal dna. no fetus kidneys. in the vaccine
(the kidney DNA are used a manufacturing process in the lab manufacturing facility.. not in the final vaccine)

learn glycoprotein
learn the difference between the AZ lab manufacturing process. vs whats in the vials end product
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as for your mis understanding of what happens inside the body after injection
best analogy for what seems to be your level of learning is the kitchen sink sponge analogy
soap does not reprogram a kitchen sponge to be something else
the sponge just does its normal job. soaks in things. and squeezes out other things.

EG
if you put pink milkshake dry powder on the sponge and push through milk.. what you get out is strawberry flavoured milkshake drink

if you put soap on the sponge and push through water. what you get is soapy bubbles

you have not reprogrammed a sponge to be a new and permanent milkshake maker. nor a permanent soap sudds maker.
the sponge is still a sponge, and just mixes whatever rna goes in with the cells nutrients to produce the thing people want at the end

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one last hint. just to save you time(years)
DNA does not leave the nucleus(meaning it doesnt leave the adenovirus).. mrna does.
whats been pushed out the adenovirus and into the patients arm muscle cell is mrna.
its the mrna that is the milk. which mixes with other ingredients to make milkshake once squeezed through a sponge(ribosome)

there is no 'programming'.. no firmware changing microsoft office suites translator.. its just a doc file being translated into a paper document
a .doc file cannot change Microsoft Word into Open Office document reader
its a doc file not a exe file.

its a glycoprotein converted into a spike protein
not a DNA double helix changing human muscle cells into monkey cells.

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emphasis:
DNA does not leave the nucleus. RNA does. crucial biological fact that busts your conspiracy theory
(no DNA exits the adenovirus nucleus)

Wrong again Bob.  Gene therapy is about re-programing the subjects own cells to be the 'facility' in which designer proteins are 'manufactured.'

 - BioNTech and Moderna do it by inserting designer mRNA into the cytoplasm to program the ribosomes to synthesize proteins of the designer's choice.

 -  AstraZeneca creates designer DNA, splices it into adenovirus DNA, then allows the adenovirus to insert the plasmid into the cell nucleus alongside the chromosomal DNA.  From thence it transcribes to mRNA which exits the nucleus, finds ribosomes to program and does the same as the above.

There are 'new vaccines' where the antigens ARE made in manufacturing facilities such as the 'subunit' ones.  None yet authorized for emergency use yet to my knowledge.  These are NOT gene therapies.  They are polished versions of ordinary vaccines as we have known them until 2020.

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Since you didn't answer last time:

Anyway, adenovirus is a DNA virus and it is designer DNA which is spiced in to be vectored into the nucleus of the victim's cells.

Agree or disagree Franky1?  Anyone else care to argue that AstraZeneca is RNA?

the pride you speak of .. is not the contents of the vaccine.. but the manufacturing process in the vaccine facility.

they modify human derived cells(fetal kidney cells) for the growth factor cells in a petri-dish to grow the glycoprotein. they then extract that glycoprotein. not the human cells.

the description of this is about the manufacturing in the lab(petri-dish). not the vaccine(vial) and not what happens once injected into a patient

there is no human cell/ human nucleus in the vaccine.
emphasis: no fetus kidneys in the vaccine.
(incase thats your next rabbit hole)

Interesting.  That vaccine tracker used to I think, but even if not it's a commonly known fact that AstraZeneca is DNA and is put into the nucleus neither of which is done with the mRNA vaccines like BioNTech or Moderna.  At least that is not their claim.  Like I say, there is full court press to avoid mentioning that AstraZeneca is DNA to the non-technical classes, but that doesn't change the facts.

Anyway, adenovirus is a DNA virus and it is designer DNA which is spiced in to be vectored into the nucleus of the victim's cells.

Agree or disagree Franky1?  Anyone else care to argue that AstraZeneca is RNA?

but AZ is not listed as DNA there
the colour of the box is not blue.. the words dont say 'dna'
the colour of the box is purple for AZ and sputnik. the words say 'non replicating viral vector'

there is no approved vaccine that is blue with the 'dna' title on that link..

.. it is you that refers to pre 2019 info about how they used to use non replicating viral vector to include dna in the nucleus.. heck that WHO page is a general info page that is nothing to do with covid vaccines specifically..

.. the reason why this last year its been classed as a new technique is because it puts in the spike protein not a whole dna genome

learn the difference

I know my own words very well because I don't make up shit.  I don't know that any of the vaccines commonly (or uncommonly or deliberately or accidentally) modify a person's chromosomal DNA.  Thus, I know I didn't say it does.  This is NOT what I said in the statement (which you've cut out again.)  This is NOT the only way to 're-program' a person's cell.

All of the DNA and RNA vaccines gene therapies 're-program' a person's cells.  This is fundamental to how they work and the designers and makers of the therapies are very proud of that fact.


Do just a tiny amount of fuckin research for Christ's sake!  This is basic and very commonly known.  AstraZeneca transfects designer DfuckinNfuckinA into the victim's cell nucleus using adenovirus as a vector.  It forms a plasmid there and spins off mRNA.
 
  https://www.verywellhealth.com/rna-vs-dna-vaccine-5082285

YOU are working with outdated info because adenovirus techniques have been used in certain older vaccine technologies.  The way they are use in gene therapy (splicing in designer DNA) is what is new here (AstraZeneca, Sputnik V, J&J, others.)

There is a reason why they are labeled 'DNA' here:  https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/

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Edit:  A bit more from:  https://www.who.int/teams/health-product-and-policy-standards/standards-and-specifications/vaccines-quality/dna


That really should be clear enough even for you frank-n-beans.  In fairness, it is somewhat difficult to see any mainstream media admit that AstraZeneca puts DNA into the victim's cell...and it's funny as hell to see them tap-dance around the issue.

I get most of my info from researching scientific papers where they don't normally have to play silly semantic games.  I can see how drooling retards like franky1 could be confused though.

Our two resident doctor friends probably learned something too complements of yours truly.  Haven't seem much of them lately.  The ones who claim to have gotten their so-called 'vaccines.'  Most real doctors won't touch the damn things.  At least those who figured out a way to work for real money in the West.

i gave one example of you blurting out crap about reprogramming cells.
because i thought maybe you have memory issues and cant remember your own words. .. but there are soo many examples. just check your own post history.

pretty much any post you made that have the buzzwords 'DNA' or 'Gates'. is you going on some wild tangent talking about reprogramming human cells.

there are just soo many that its not worth my time to link them all. might aswell just link your post history in its entirety.

now go cry somewhere else about how people speak condescendingly to you.
incase you do have memory issues and also have a finger injury and unable to check your own post history..
here is another dumb example of you trying to make it look like covid vaccines are injecting DNA into people cells nucleus
what you have wrong. is that AZ(oxford) put mrna into the nucleus. not DNA
but it seems that you just grabbed an outdated adenovirus link that talks about traditional vaccines.. and not looked at what AZ(oxford) are doing specifically.

yep in regards to AZ(oxford) its RNA they put in it. not DNA.
so the reason no one 'in the mainstream press seems interested' in your theory. is because your theory is wrong. its mrna in the vaccine nucleus not dna.

so drop the 'dna' game your playing. its just making you look more clueless.
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and incase you now want to run down rabbit holes trying to throw buzzwords about the mutating/reprogramming ribosomes.. ill give you another condescending analogy.

imagine your kitchen sink sponge.. its a sponge. will always be a sponge.
imagine it enjoys water as its main fuel.
now if you run soap through it. along with the water. guess what you get...... soapy bubbles..amazing right. .. your soap has not changed the sponge into a brick. or a lizard. you have just put in soap and along with water, which makes soapy bubbles. the sponge is still a sponge.

now replace the word sponge with ribosome.. replace soap with RNA protein.. replace water with enzyme nutrients

and now you have 3rd grader knowledge about ribosomes.
now go research higher level analogies. and stop wasting your time on conspiracy about bill gates and dna modifying

No, I don't trust to vaccines for covid, it is too early to speak about some efficiency, because now, no one can say what to expect from it and possible mutations in our organism, we need at least 5 years to acquire some information from descendants and possible DNA mutations.

Just bet vaccineted if your tied of living
https://vaccinedeaths.com/2021-01-31-55-dead-us-coronavirus-vaccine-federal-database.html#

No its not a vaccine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_vgIdcUoIE

The lethal injection working well, better than aids version
Fernando Katukina, Brazillian indigenous leader died, "vaccinated" January 19
https://globoplay.globo.com/v/9229480/

Have you made appointment with creator, visit nearest injection side
https://humansarefree.com/2021/02/7-dead-and-all-residents-infected-in-spanish-nursing-home-after-the-experimental-pfizer-mrna-shots.html

Quit trying to obfuscate.  This stuff is not that hard.

 - The genetic material tells the ribosome how to make what protein.

 - The gene therapies work by getting custom genetic instructions into ribosomes.  When these custom made instructions 'execute' in the ribosome the ribosome pumps out the proteins that the designer coded for.

First you try to flat out deny things.  When that doesn't work you try to overly complicate with a bunch of nonsense.  Lack of capitalization and punctuation is feature and not a bug for a word-salad spam specialist.  Your technique is OK with me because sometimes it provides a good opportunity to make things clear and hopefully help a few people resist being injured.

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Oh, by the way, I guess you gave up on trying to find one of the 'many' instances of me saying that the vaccines gene therapies modify the victim's DNA? 

you really have no clue.

let me make this one thing clear.
the .doc file reader in a printer is not altered by a usb stick with .doc files on it. mrna is a .doc file. what your trying to insinuate is that its actually a firmware upgrade(.exe). sorry its not. its analogously a .doc file not an .exe file.. know the difference

if you cannot understand why they did not choose tRNA, saRNA, rRNA modRNA, then thats your issue.
but the science is clear why they chose mRNA.
the sarna stuff. thats not in the vaccine vial.
its in the special culture in the lab facility used for mass producing.
EG in the machines that make .doc files contains the .exe file
the vaccine then only contains .doc files. only .doc files are then distributed out to vaccine clinics

emphasis. mrna DOES NOT create a lipid bubble with its own corona of spikes that is excreted and allowed to flow in bodily fluids.(little furballs of ginger hair that get around the house)(new firmware)
its DOES creates protein spikes(ginger hair follicles) on the shell of the cell that created it. (paper document) on feedout tray, sitting on the printer that created it

you can pretend all you like that because i have to dumb it down for you means that i am not talking sciency enough. but it seems being sciency hasnt helped you so far, so maybe you need the dumbed down version

just because you cant understand college level math so someone comes along  and starts teaching you 3rd grade maths. does not mean the math is wrong. it means you beleive that your some 10th grader that can read a college book because you have gone to the library and found such a book. but still does not then by default show you understand the college level literature. it just shows your upset that someone sounds condescending by handing you 3rd grade math.

maybe you need to accept that you need to grasp the basics again just to then be able to progress.

what you have to realise is that this public forum has many readers. and although i poke at your learning level, my dumbed down analogies may actually help other people that are not college level. people that have not yet even got into the sciency stuff. people that dont want to spend months learning the sciency buzzwords. people that just want straight answers that even a 3rd grader can understand.

I won't say that they really don't care about the virus, they do care for it that's why protocols are being set and measured for their passengers and crew. What's devastating in the airline industry is that they've lost around 20 years of total with those lockdowns that has been made due to the pandemic. That's why a lot of crew has been laid off and sadly, removed. They are starting to recover and they are just one of the many affected industries that are trying to get up.

But with the new covid variant, another restrictions have been made and that's another problem and loss for those affected airline companies by countries that have closed their borders.

What I've read is that some airline companies won't allow a passenger to get in if they haven't been shot by a vaccine, whether you trust the vaccine or not and you're traveling elsewhere which requires air travel, you have to take it.

I would say, I don't for now why? for everything and everyone is taking flights airports are running people will come and go from different countries. Airport owners do not care about Covid or the virus as long as they earn money. The Government does not take any action for the taxes they get from a company is a big one.

That is the only thing I see wrong in the different countries that they might have testing kits. Sadly, it was said that even if you are positive the chances are still not positive and the word was covid can be undetectable until your feeling becomes severe. Sometimes with the help of the testing kit, it can and really can't identify.

Plus we people, are the problem, not just the Government.

In my country, I read that my fellow men are shaming and bullying Chinese people because we all know that Covid came from China. Iam not pointing out Chinese people. People who shame them did the wrong thing because every bad thing we do you will get karma or rather everything will bounce back to you negatively.

Some, just want to enjoy that people who are flying over different countries are a big problem, you all know what I mean. Covid is a virus you can catch it anywhere even if you are in a safety protocol.


I know staying in a house of yours, might bore you but at least your safe.

Nope.  You run a program in memory.  It usually comes off the disk, but not always.  When you load up an mRNA into a ribosome it makes no difference whether it was transcribed off chromosomal DNA from the nucleus, plasmid DNA from the nucleus (AstraZeneca) or mRNA pumped into the cell via some gene therapy technique (Pfizer, Moderna.)

As for saRNA I meant what I said.  It is identified as so by the Imperial College developers and it means Self Amplifying RNA.  The idea is that you don't need to create and transfect as much mRNA because, via the 'secret sauce' of this developer, it spins off some copies of itself before loading into the ribosome.

You don't know what I'm talking about and you don't know what you are talking about.  You are operating at a very primitive level of understanding when it comes to this technology.

first reprogramming cell is a dna thing.
secondly mRNA is not saRNA.

also your example of saRNA is about replicating so much it bursts the cell.. again not related to reprogramming a cell factory.. and just telling a printer to print more until the printer burns out and blows up
saRNA is not mRNA and mRNA is not saRNA
(so not even sure why you brought it up.. but oh well.. lessons learned i hope)

you then, even now are saying the cell has run amok. sorry but the mrna is not programming the cell to replicate until burst.. nor reprogramming anything. thus no amok to amok
its just feeding in one biological file thats getting translated by the printer into one piece of paper(protein)
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ok lets try another method
imagine the vaccine code is 'ginger hair' because gingers are bad..
now what your projecting(badly) is that the vaccine is sperm. it enters a body creates more gingers via pregnancy and then those gingers can go out and spread... sorry no
try to cry less about 'pumping out parts' thinking that it can spread like cancer..

its simply an instruction sheet that makes that one persons hair go ginger without doing anything to that persons own sperm and without it then causing new offspring in its horny next door neighbours

by ginger hair i mean spikey things hanging on the outer shell of a cell

creating a spike protein.
VS
creating a enveloped pathogen with its own spikes and contains more rna to then reinfect other cells..
... are two different things
making your hair ginger is different to making your sperm contain ginger genes

again if you want to use my ginger hair analogy as your rebuttle
stop imagining it like injecting a vaccine which creates new rna that then sweat out a persons forehead and can be passed on in the fluid to other foreheads and repeat.
instead imagine it as just dying that one persons forehead with his one instruction. and once that instruction has processed thats it. for that person
yes more dosage means more instructions. means more cells to follow. but thats the dosage. not the rna
emphasis the instruction is not to creating more instructions.

the vaccine is the hairdye for that one person(cell). it does not replicate.. and any remnants of hairdye fade out within weeks.. so also drop the cries about 'causing issues years in the future'

there have been many good reasons to use mrna instead of the multitude of other rna/dna mechanisms available

It's a particularly bad one since it says (and means) nothing about modifying the cell's DNA.

Try again.  It should be easy if there are so many examples.

What you found is, in fact, questions (with no answers) from a presentation of the principle scientist working on the (now defunct...for the Gate's 'first one' ailment) saRNA idea at Imperial Collage.  'sa' stands for 'self amplifying'.  After re-watching the presentation I see that at least the damage to the genetics of an infected cell is implemented as a segment of the designer genetic material so it can be hoped that not EVERY cell in the body loses it's ability to recognize and kill of instances where a cell has run amok, is pumping out virus parts, and won't quit.  The fact that the body has mechanisms to kill off such 'gone haywire' cells is a big problem for this form of gene therapy technology and it makes it so that boosters don't work for shit.


They do it by inserting designer genetic material inside the cell.  This designer code 'runs' in the ribosomes to produce designer proteins.  This is as close as it gets to 're-programming', and everyone on either side will describe it as such.

just one example of many.
where you have been pushing some conspiracy of a bill gates plot to reprogram cells.
maybe today you are trying to correct yourself by realising you were wrong in the august example.
maybe your trying to slowly shift from talking about your old DNA mutants drama of last year
maybe your slowly trying to take baby steps into understanding what RNA can and cant do.
maybe your doing it slowly to not just out yourself as being wrong.

maybe in 2 weeks you will drop the 'gene therapy' blanket term as your bridge-word between old theory and new theory
maybe instead just concentrate on the protein subcategory.
lots of maybe's. but one thing is for sure you have been trying to push a narrative about vaccines causing reprogrammed cells/mutants.


in short rna vaccines are about making proteins.. not reprogramming cells

mrna is not used to turn a printer into a lizard.
mrna is to change what document is being printed

Nobody changes a 'whole chromosome' you nit-wit.


Tell it to ASGCT (American Society of Gene & Cell Therapy) trade organization which I linked to above.


Dead wrong.  I never said that and in fact I strongly cautioned AGAINST doing so unless it could be demonstrated.  So far it has not been to the best of my knowledge.

I have pointed out that retroviruses work by doing inserts of RNA into DNA.  Whether I ever mused that retroviral infections and reverse transcriptase molecules could splice in some of the designer mRNA from time to time (either by accident or design) I don't recall.  Someone should do it however.

This stuff is most relevant if it effects germ cells.  Someone (besides friends Epstein and Gates who fantasized about 'seeding future humanity' with their and/or their genetically superior friend's DNA) should probably be considering that as well.