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January 03, 2021, 01:49:30 PM
The vaccine effectively becomes uselles if exposed to a temperature above -70 degrees and even though it was rushed, it was still tested following most of the requirements needed to determine whether it is safe or not. Furthermore it is in the manufacturers' best interest for it to work so I think its safe. But i dont see a reason why a healthy young person would ever feel the need to recieve it. It is good to take it as a last resort for old people with health issues but still, young people have nothing to fear given the circumstances, except if they too have other health issues.

At the latest study in regards to the new strain. The graph indicates that 10-19 yrs old have the most cases, second is the 40-49.

And guess what, there are low cases for 60 and above age gap.

Ergo, Age is not significant to the possibility of a person getting infected by the virus.

https://virological.org/t/transmission-of-sars-cov-2-lineage-b-1-1-7-in-england-insights-from-linking-epidemiological-and-genetic-data/576
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January 03, 2021, 12:29:58 PM
It simply is never a good idea to damage the outer prodective layer to "shoot-up"
Anyway something is sus with all this young girls
https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilton-region/2021/01/02/hamilton-psw-suffers-rare-but-severe-reaction-to-covid-19-vaccine.html

CDC official report shows 3% of registrants who received first dose were "unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, required care from doctor or health care professional"

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January 03, 2021, 10:49:54 AM

For those following the Tiffany Dover ('nurse 33') saga, caution is advised:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyGlHYTsTk

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January 03, 2021, 07:45:21 AM
The vaccine effectively becomes uselles if exposed to a temperature above -70 degrees and even though it was rushed, it was still tested following most of the requirements needed to determine whether it is safe or not. Furthermore it is in the manufacturers' best interest for it to work so I think its safe. But i dont see a reason why a healthy young person would ever feel the need to recieve it. It is good to take it as a last resort for old people with health issues but still, young people have nothing to fear given the circumstances, except if they too have other health issues.
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January 02, 2021, 03:03:51 PM
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This is just as stupid as tvbcof thinking that someone developing Bell's Palsy, which affects 5 in 10,000 people every year, MUST have been caused by the vaccine.
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Resident fake-doctor Oileo think that people here are to stupid to realize that if a condition occurs at a rate of {n}/year than the expected number of occurrences in a month would be {n}/12.

The genetically re-programmed group had 5 cases of Bell's Palsy and the non-reprogrammed group of a similar size had zero.  Hell, even the corp/gov admitted there is likely a problem here and to keep eye's open for it.  At least early on before the propaganda team suggested to try the 'just chance' lie because the sheeple are mostly stupid enough to buy it if someone in a lab coat says it on Dr. Phil.

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January 02, 2021, 02:58:00 PM
The question can be is, why the oxford vaccine can be stored in a not so cold temperature, without destroying the rna in the first place? Why is it cheaper than the rest, when the same concept is being used?

Oxford (Astrazeneca) puts DNA into the cell nucleus then gets the cell itself to pump out m-RNA.  In this manner they don't have to pump so much RNA into the victim.

Medicine is all about reading what the medical/industrial complex approves then regurgitating it for exams and for writing prescriptions.  There is no better teacher for basic entry level medical stuff than this guy, and here is his re-hash of Moderna, Pfizer, and Oxford respectively.  I'm sure it's relatively accurate as far as it goes, and it is interesting and worth the watch.  At least you won't make basic errors as you have above:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Idb_lCU4o

I got a lot more out of a presentation from the lead scientist from Oxford.  Among the take-aways:

 - luciferin, luciferin, luciferin (why they wanted it in there wasn't covered.  Presumably the audience already knew.)

 - The human body has mechanisms to detect cells who start pumping out unusual shit like virus parts and won't quit.  This causes problems for the technique.  Solution?  Easy.  Use MERS(!) fragments and other techniques to make the body not do this.  Can you say 'cancer epidemic dead ahead' anyone?

 - A logical question was asked by the audience:  'How long does the infected cell keep pumping out virus parts?'  Answer:  'We have no idea'.

Dunno if it is still on Jutube or not, but it's almost completely impossible to find anything it the censorship ridden waste dump any more.  Got it in my long-term archives, but that doesn't do much good here.

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January 02, 2021, 02:56:53 PM
I've linked you to 40,000 independent isolations and sequencing of its complete genome twice now. If you are too dense to click on a link, then there isn't much I can do.

Here you are for the third time: https://www.viprbrc.org/brc/vipr_genome_search.spg?method=SubmitForm&decorator=corona&searchId=44742&runFrom=persistent

Again, you forgot to quote a few words of the isolation process actually being done. Anybody can link to all kinds of medical sites. Too bad you can't find the Covid isolation report. If you could, you wouldn't be afraid to quote it.

However, this is a forum, not a medical examining board. So you really don't need any excuse. Cheesy

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January 02, 2021, 02:51:42 PM
I've linked you to 40,000 independent isolations and sequencing of its complete genome twice now. If you are too dense to click on a link, then there isn't much I can do.

Here you are for the third time: https://www.viprbrc.org/brc/vipr_genome_search.spg?method=SubmitForm&decorator=corona&searchId=44742&runFrom=persistent
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January 02, 2021, 02:46:12 PM
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Right, because you, with no medical knowledge and only having read a fourth hand news story, are in a better position to ascertain the cause of death than the pathologists doing the post mortem. Roll Eyes

Lol Cheesy

And you, with tons of medical knowledge, would rather support the fake Covid pandemic. I wonder who is worse, you or me?

Say, have you found the Covid isolation report yet? Show us the link, please. And add a few words from the actual isolation process recorded in the report. Dr. Andrew Kaufman would like to see it, and so would I.

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January 02, 2021, 02:39:55 PM
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Right, because you, with no medical knowledge and only having read a fourth hand news story, are in a better position to ascertain the cause of death than the pathologists doing the post mortem. Roll Eyes
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January 02, 2021, 02:30:18 PM
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In a truly shocking turn of events, BADecker has discovered that high risk elderly people with pre-existing conditions who are most likely to die from COVID are also pretty likely to die from other things too!

The 75 year old Israeli man had a heart attack, on a background of coronary heart disease and multiple previous heart attacks. No link with the vaccine was found admitted.

The Swiss patient was 91 and died from her pre-existing conditions. No link with the vaccine was found admitted.

This is just as stupid as tvbcof thinking that someone developing Bell's Palsy, which affects 5 in 10,000 people every year, MUST have been caused by the vaccine.

We are going to vaccinate over a billion people this year. If you are going to post a story about every vaccinated person who then develops any medical condition, then you are even more dense than I thought.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

Corrected that for you ^^.     

Seems that we are finding out that many diseases that never used to exist a century ago (at least not in the numbers as they do today) were cause by the vaccines over the years.

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legendary
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January 02, 2021, 02:14:06 PM
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In a truly shocking turn of events, BADecker has discovered that high risk elderly people with pre-existing conditions who are most likely to die from COVID are also pretty likely to die from other things too!

The 75 year old Israeli man had a heart attack, on a background of coronary heart disease and multiple previous heart attacks. No link with the vaccine was found.

The Swiss patient was 91 and died from her pre-existing conditions. No link with the vaccine was found.

This is just as stupid as tvbcof thinking that someone developing Bell's Palsy, which affects 5 in 10,000 people every year, MUST have been caused by the vaccine.

We are going to vaccinate over a billion people this year. If you are going to post a story about every vaccinated person who then develops any medical condition, then you are even more dense than I thought.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc
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January 02, 2021, 01:53:39 PM
May they rest in peace.

Get your shot and die! Angry


Swiss Patient and Israeli Man Die Shortly after Receiving COVID Vaccine



Earlier this month [last month], Israeli news reported that a 75-year old man with a history of heart attacks died from cardiac arrest two hours after receiving the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine. Authorities in the Swiss Canton of Lucerne reported that one of the first people in the country to receive the vaccine has died. Whether his death was caused by the inoculation hasn’t been disclosed. -GEG

After an Israeli man reportedly died just 2 hours after receiving his first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, authorities in the Swiss Canton of Lucerne said on Wednesday that one of the first people in the country to receive the vaccine has died, though whether his death had anything to do with the inoculation hasn’t yet been determined.

The canton has yet to release any additional details about the exact amount of time that passed between the inoculation and the man’s death.


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legendary
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January 02, 2021, 12:48:12 PM
The question can be is, why the oxford vaccine can be stored in a not so cold temperature, without destroying the rna in the first place? Why is it cheaper than the rest, when the same concept is being used?
Pfizer vaccine uses free mRNA strands, which requires cold storage to stay stable.
Oxford vaccine uses an adenovirus carrier for DNA, which means cold storage is not required.
Both the mRNA in the Pfizer and the DNA in the Oxford encode the same spike protein.
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January 02, 2021, 12:20:12 PM
I just read an article about the new Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine, it seems that is much cheaper than the other two vaccines out there yet. It's supposed to be 80% cheaper than the one from Pfizer and doesn't need to be stored at such a cold temperature. This really makes me question why is there such a big difference between the vaccines? And why are not all countries just focusing on the cheapest one? It seems there are still so many things unknown with the vaccines. We need more information to make up our mind which one to choose.

Good question.

At least one of these companies are lying.

China declared that their vaxx is 90%+ (they said 95% if my memory serves me right) effective just like Russia. Pfizer/Moderna said 95%+. If all those vaccines are nearly 100% perfect... why bother with m-rna at all?

And If one them is a liar, all of them can be liars.

They talk about effectivity of the vaccine. And the vaccine is M-RNA in the first place.

I can't understand your questions, because you question why they bother using M-RNA when all of them are using it, while they have different researches, and ways on how they manifested the m-rna. Thats why there is the difference between the effectivity of the vaccines.

Your are questioning it wrong. The question can be is, why the oxford vaccine can be stored in a not so cold temperature, without destroying the rna in the first place? Why is it cheaper than the rest, when the same concept is being used?
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January 02, 2021, 10:24:14 AM
the oxford vaccine is cheaper for british people because it was made in britain and insured by the british government, so for british people they dont have to pay all the logistics of lengthy deliveries or insurance premiums or licences.
however importing germanys pfizer vaccine is where the UK/US government have to pay extra for logistics and create a UK/US insurance policy(behind the scenes the government does sue/penalise pharma. but without having the citizens do all the leg work of personally suing pharma)

america have a deal with the oxford vaccine via astra zenica. which means america can create and distribute the vaccine within american borders(under licence) which makes it cheaper then pfizer for many reasons.. but still not as cheap as oxford vaccine is for british people(due to the US government insurance trust and licence).

basically this is the countries where the vaccine is the cheapest for that country
EU: biontec(pfizer)
UK: oxford(astra zenika)
US: moderna

if they need to import or share resource for production then there are other costs added on
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January 02, 2021, 05:51:18 AM
I just read an article about the new Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine, it seems that is much cheaper than the other two vaccines out there yet. It's supposed to be 80% cheaper than the one from Pfizer and doesn't need to be stored at such a cold temperature. This really makes me question why is there such a big difference between the vaccines? And why are not all countries just focusing on the cheapest one? It seems there are still so many things unknown with the vaccines. We need more information to make up our mind which one to choose.

Good question.

At least one of these companies are lying.

China declared that their vaxx is 90%+ (they said 95% if my memory serves me right) effective just like Russia. Pfizer/Moderna said 95%+. If all those vaccines are nearly 100% perfect... why bother with m-rna at all?

And If one them is a liar, all of them can be liars.
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January 02, 2021, 04:49:14 AM

What are you talking about?

The only entity liable are the companies or enterprises that create a therapeutic agent. If the government waives off liability on their end, the company nor the government will compensate you for any adverse reaction. The article I linked talk about this clearly.
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Right-O!

Even though the mRNA genetic modification agent is clearly a therapeutic since it does not  either stop infection with the virus or stop transmission they call it a 'vaccine' to get the liability protection when it maims people.

Drug-makers are still liable for drugs other than vaccines (which are legally considered 'unavoidably unsafe' under U.S. law.)  Pfizer has paid billions in civil and criminal penalties for malfeasance associated with their non-vaccine drugs.  Often for off-label marketing.  But there is a reason why 10 years of development is typical for drugs other than vaccines while vaccines are considered good to go after DAYS of victim observation.  That reason is because the makers are off-the-hook legally.  They could literally inject rat poison and face no legal penalties as long as their revolving door cronies in the bureaucracy call it a 'vaccine'.

Until so-called 'covid-19' there were a lot of countries which would NOT offer this vaccine-only legal immunity.  Now, as far as I can tell, all countries have been strong-armed into adopting the U.S. policy with respect to legal immunity for the manufacturer/marketer for 'vaccines'.

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January 02, 2021, 03:26:23 AM
I just read an article about the new Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine, it seems that is much cheaper than the other two vaccines out there yet. It's supposed to be 80% cheaper than the one from Pfizer and doesn't need to be stored at such a cold temperature. This really makes me question why is there such a big difference between the vaccines? And why are not all countries just focusing on the cheapest one? It seems there are still so many things unknown with the vaccines. We need more information to make up our mind which one to choose.
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