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Quote from: Davidvictorson on February 09, 2024, 04:31:17 PM

If suddenly you went on a binge-gambling out of a lack of self-control or something else. For example, you deposit money in rapid succession after a series of losses and the casino management freezes your account. And when you call their customer support, they tell you that your account has been frozen for 3 weeks and the reason why they carried out that measure was because they suspected that you were gambling irresponsibly and decided to take that measure so that you can call yourself back to order, will you feel furious, cuss out, sign out of your account and register on another casino and continue betting. Does even freezing a customer's account curb irresponsible gambling or betting addiction?

The answer to this question is no, it doesn't but rather it will reduce the level of loss in gambling. And that is not even possible everyone aim is to make profit in their business and without losers they won't make any profit, there are some addict that has money to gamble and when these platform sees such person they are always happy to have them as a customer and any platform that tries to do that will of course lose there major customers. If I may ask how will they even know that such person is irresponsible is his or her gambling and how much do you think someone is suppose to spend while gambling and what about those who gamble for fun.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on December 03, 2024, 04:14:07 PM

The most annoying part of it is that the more you discover some users account being frozen, the more they often go ahead in opening another one, which i don't also see it as a good idea to engage in doing so, we have to gamble responsibly in such a way that we will not be stopped or detached from the rights and responsibilities we are having towards using a particular gambling platform.

It's don't like that behavior from gamblers but I hope you don't experience the bitterness of gambling, you will understand why they behave like that. It's not easy to lose all your sum of money to casino because of one small mistake that you can actually avoid or you might not be able to avoid but like I said the frustration that comes with when you lose huge some of money to casino will makes you to do somethings you wouldn't do in a regular time.

Last week, I almost exhausted my bankroll, prepared some games for Sunday and wager the remaining balance to it and I made everything back. It wasn't the usual league everyone do bet, so because it was easy to predict, I cook another games and wager everything, didn't know what gave me the confidence to stake the games again but I lost the entire balance and I was just mad, it was one game that ruined everything, this are the ways I think gamblers frustration makes them do things that aren't normal.

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Quote from: Oilacris on December 01, 2024, 12:03:01 AM

Locking without any permission or not being known by the user does really imply that they are really doing some shady acts and this could lead through tarnishing their reputation.

This is correct, but if an account is blocked taking into account that things happen this way because the person previously requested it and made a deal or signed some kind of agreement with the casino, then there shouldn't be any problem, etc. in this case it's because things are being done well and for the protection of the person, it's not bad, some say that this is useless, but come on, to eliminate an addiction everything is valid, everything, you have to make the necessary efforts to find a cure, addiction has a cure as well as all diseases of course they do.

Everything would really be just that fine if this one really been done with the user request or permission, but doing it on other way around then its not ethical or not really just that right. Just like on what everyone is saying on here that on the moment that they will really be making up such action towards a certain user then it will really be definitely be affecting out their credibility on which this is something that they cant gamble. If it turned out that there are some user request on blocking his account then this is something that just right but if the blocking happens without consent or awareness then it will really be just that not ethical on doing so. Just like on what everyone is saying that taking up some actions such as this will really be able to affect their reputation.

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Quote from: Oilacris on December 01, 2024, 12:03:01 AM

Locking without any permission or not being known by the user does really imply that they are really doing some shady acts and this could lead through tarnishing their reputation.

This is correct, but if an account is blocked taking into account that things happen this way because the person previously requested it and made a deal or signed some kind of agreement with the casino, then there shouldn't be any problem, etc. in this case it's because things are being done well and for the protection of the person, it's not bad, some say that this is useless, but come on, to eliminate an addiction everything is valid, everything, you have to make the necessary efforts to find a cure, addiction has a cure as well as all diseases of course they do.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on February 09, 2024, 04:31:17 PM

If suddenly you went on a binge-gambling out of a lack of self-control or something else. For example, you deposit money in rapid succession after a series of losses and the casino management freezes your account. And when you call their customer support, they tell you that your account has been frozen for 3 weeks and the reason why they carried out that measure was because they suspected that you were gambling irresponsibly and decided to take that measure so that you can call yourself back to order, will you feel furious, cuss out, sign out of your account and register on another casino and continue betting. Does even freezing a customer's account curb irresponsible gambling or betting addiction?

Generally no site freezes someone's account for gambling irresponsibly. Because it's their business, the more a customer loses, the more they profit. But a site can freeze your account if they realize that you are trying to do something illegal with their site or using hacking tools. They will not do anything contrary to their Tos if it is a reputable site.

But if it happens to me that after depositing funds my account gets frozen for a certain period of time. then I will immediately leave that site and move to another site. Because that will be my happy time and enjoying that time will be my main goal

With that sentiment alone then you can be able to tell that casinos wont really be caring even if you are addicted and losing up everything you do have or ending up on sleeping on the streets.They dont really care on how a gambler would really be ending up because if we do really tend to realize that everything will really be that according into someones actions when it comes into this aspect because you are the ones who do make out some decisions on trying out to play on a gambling site and if you do end up on getting addicted then this is something that most platforms do really like on which they are really that making even more money into those people who are getting addicted and keeps on losing into the platform on which we can tell that it is really that impossible that they will really be just that locking up someones account with that particular reason.
Just like on everyone are saying that on the time or moment that they will really be locking up or frozen someones account then it will really be that just because of some violation and not just because of too much addiction of a certain user. They do love it, very. This is how this business works and the more addicted gamblers they do have the more money that they can generate and that a fact.

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The most annoying part of it is that the more you discover some users account being frozen, the more they often go ahead in opening another one, which i don't also see it as a good idea to engage in doing so, we have to gamble responsibly in such a way that we will not be stopped or detached from the rights and responsibilities we are having towards using a particular gambling platform.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on February 09, 2024, 04:31:17 PM

If suddenly you went on a binge-gambling out of a lack of self-control or something else. For example, you deposit money in rapid succession after a series of losses and the casino management freezes your account. And when you call their customer support, they tell you that your account has been frozen for 3 weeks and the reason why they carried out that measure was because they suspected that you were gambling irresponsibly and decided to take that measure so that you can call yourself back to order, will you feel furious, cuss out, sign out of your account and register on another casino and continue betting. Does even freezing a customer's account curb irresponsible gambling or betting addiction?

Generally no site freezes someone's account for gambling irresponsibly. Because it's their business, the more a customer loses, the more they profit. But a site can freeze your account if they realize that you are trying to do something illegal with their site or using hacking tools. They will not do anything contrary to their Tos if it is a reputable site.

But if it happens to me that after depositing funds my account gets frozen for a certain period of time. then I will immediately leave that site and move to another site. Because that will be my happy time and enjoying that time will be my main goal

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Quote from: taufik123 on December 03, 2024, 04:38:05 AM

About how the account is suspended is only a matter of rules that need to be followed, not against it and several other reasons of course.
Better to do sports betting, it's better in my opinion

I'm not sure if a casino will do that though but I think users can request for account suspension if they feel they are getting drained and need some break to get back on track...
Or just breaking rules could just solve it Grin

Hence, to me sport betting is the most suitable form of gambling imo, sport games could get rigged sometimes but you get to make your predictions yourself unlike other ones where computer Algo. determines your luck lol.

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Quote from: Oilacris on December 01, 2024, 12:03:01 AM

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Quote from: Doan9269 on November 29, 2024, 03:26:44 PM

If a gamblers account got freeze, then such person has been violating the rules under their platform policy, but doing that may be a reason for them to be warned because a frozen account is likely to be unfrozen with time, but when they receive such warning and repeated the same things, then the user may be banned which is a complete restriction over the use of their platform on that gambler.

Gamblers' accounts can be frozen for many reasons which is not always the true reflection of the situation, so errors happen and when the casino is contacted, I am sure the truth could be unveiled by both parties and a decision/agreement reached.

But this is not what this context is all about, this is about casinos trying to preserve the sanity of the gambler himself, it is non-negotiable. It can't be denied if a casino freezes the account on the grounds of irresponsible depositing and wagering, the system will not lie. For the casino to have done that even means they are responsible and care, otherwise, they would have allowed the gambler to continue ruining his finances and thereby enriching them.

But the fact that casinos arent working on this way on which instead on trying out to not let their gamblers do become addicted, they would really be rather preferring into those users who do end up on becoming one on which we do know that the more they get addicted the more money they could get and it will really be that impossible that they will lock up users account without notice.

We should first establish the point that casinos' motives vary, and so will their concern, education, care etc. Many are there just to make money and will even cheat you if they have the opportunity, but a few of them still show care and might show genuine concern or be compelled by the law to show concern (genuine or not). This is why a casino could freeze an account that is irresponsible with depositing and wagering instead for them to be feeding fat on the victim's predicament. It's now left to the addict to find a solution in addition to the one suggested on their website. I am also sure that some casinos would even give advice/suggestions to help the victim, I've read of such before.

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Quote from: promise444c5 on November 29, 2024, 01:56:16 PM

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While I read, in the past, the TOS of some casinos, there is a line that states about irresponsible gamblers or addicts not welcomed to use the casino. A time they'll go further to ensure the player doesn't play in other online gaming platforms. I do not know how effective this is presently, due to the rate at which gamblers can bypass such restrictions. But, it's a great move for the safety of players, also casinos, some, do care for the irresponsible gamblers. At least, they'll need to get better before playing again.

Yes most casino do care ant that's why they will make it known before you start so the warning just as taufik123 mentioned is just to make sure they are out of any future drama that users incur on themselves... if everyone gambles responsibly how will they make more p profit lol(that's just a joke ). Only gamblers can determine if they are gambling responsibly or not , casino can not monitor your personal account to see if you are overspending what you can't afford, gamblers can make a request for suspension.. but can still bypass it ,the truth is it's actually hard to cub once they start, they just need to discipline themselves that's all( it's easy to prevent but hard to cure

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I've never heard of casinos going to the extent of reporting an irresponsible gambler to other gambling sites, if it's true then it must be a very noble act to protect the addicts from degenerating further. I might be wrong but I seriously doubt that any casino will care to investigate someone's account because they're losing so much and keeps funding their accounts. Gamblers loses are the casinos gains so I don't really see casinos prying into a loser's account. Responsible gambling should be the responsibility of the gambler, casinos can discourage irresponsible gambling but I don't think that they can interfere if a gambler starts to gamble irresponsibly.

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Quote from: promise444c5 on November 29, 2024, 01:56:16 PM

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if everyone gambles responsibly how will they make more p profit lol(that's just a joke ). Only gamblers can determine if they are gambling responsibly or not , casino can not monitor your personal account to see if you are overspending what you can't afford, gamblers can make a request for suspension.. but can still bypass it ,the truth is it's actually hard to cub once they start, they just need to discipline themselves that's all( it's easy to prevent but hard to cure

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No gambler is responsible, most of them will just make bets without thinking about how they will lose money.
If the goal is only a big win then they are misplaced because gambling is just a pleasure, not for those who are too panicked with the money they are depositing.

Player psychology will really be played, especially if you play in slot games and games that only rely on luck, because the system has set it.

About how the account is suspended is only a matter of rules that need to be followed, not against it and several other reasons of course.
Better to do sports betting, it's better in my opinion

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on November 30, 2024, 11:14:18 PM

Quote from: Doan9269 on November 29, 2024, 03:26:44 PM

If a gamblers account got freeze, then such person has been violating the rules under their platform policy, but doing that may be a reason for them to be warned because a frozen account is likely to be unfrozen with time, but when they receive such warning and repeated the same things, then the user may be banned which is a complete restriction over the use of their platform on that gambler.

Gamblers' accounts can be frozen for many reasons which is not always the true reflection of the situation, so errors happen and when the casino is contacted, I am sure the truth could be unveiled by both parties and a decision/agreement reached.

But this is not what this context is all about, this is about casinos trying to preserve the sanity of the gambler himself, it is non-negotiable. It can't be denied if a casino freezes the account on the grounds of irresponsible depositing and wagering, the system will not lie. For the casino to have done that even means they are responsible and care, otherwise, they would have allowed the gambler to continue ruining his finances and thereby enriching them.

But the fact that casinos arent working on this way on which instead on trying out to not let their gamblers do become addicted, they would really be rather preferring into those users who do end up on becoming one on which we do know that the more they get addicted the more money they could get and it will really be that impossible that they will lock up users account without notice.

As long they are really that playing and doesnt stop and having the balance then they would eventually be that trying out to make deposits then this is what they do prefer.
Locking without any permission or not being known by the user does really imply that they are really doing some shady acts and this could lead through tarnishing their reputation.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on November 29, 2024, 03:26:44 PM

If a gamblers account got freeze, then such person has been violating the rules under their platform policy, but doing that may be a reason for them to be warned because a frozen account is likely to be unfrozen with time, but when they receive such warning and repeated the same things, then the user may be banned which is a complete restriction over the use of their platform on that gambler.

Gamblers' accounts can be frozen for many reasons which is not always the true reflection of the situation, so errors happen and when the casino is contacted, I am sure the truth could be unveiled by both parties and a decision/agreement reached.

But this is not what this context is all about, this is about casinos trying to preserve the sanity of the gambler himself, it is non-negotiable. It can't be denied if a casino freezes the account on the grounds of irresponsible depositing and wagering, the system will not lie. For the casino to have done that even means they are responsible and care, otherwise, they would have allowed the gambler to continue ruining his finances and thereby enriching them.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on February 09, 2024, 04:31:17 PM

If suddenly you went on a binge-gambling out of a lack of self-control or something else. For example, you deposit money in rapid succession after a series of losses and the casino management freezes your account. And when you call their customer support, they tell you that your account has been frozen for 3 weeks and the reason why they carried out that measure was because they suspected that you were gambling irresponsibly and decided to take that measure so that you can call yourself back to order, will you feel furious, cuss out, sign out of your account and register on another casino and continue betting. Does even freezing a customer's account curb irresponsible gambling or betting addiction?

Casinos will never take such steps. Even if a person gambles irresponsibly, they will not freeze their account. Casino platforms will freeze your account only when you are inactive on that platform for a long time. Casino platforms always prefer regular gamblers, if there is a temporary problem with their account, they will solve it after a little communication. If a person gambles irresponsibly and the casino platform sees his irresponsible gambling and freezes his account, then I think that the gambling addict will never stop gambling. If necessary, he will register another casino platform, make an account there, deposit money and continue playing games. Irresponsible gambling or gambling addiction cannot be prevented by freezing the account of a gambling addict because there are thousands of online casino platforms. If necessary, he will move towards a unique trusted casino platform.

Of course I think so too, or I mean we are of the same mind in this matter which is not reasonable to hear if the casino freezes the user's account because of their irresponsible gambling, and the only reasonable reason for such action is when the user commits a violation or is inactive for a long period of time as you said, and also yes I agree with your last statement that gambling addiction or irresponsible gambling cannot be stopped just by freezing the account because they still have many opportunities to register a new account at the casino or at another casino, another thing why I say that freezing the account is unreasonable because the gambler is irresponsible is because after all the casino's goal here is to get a lot of profit from impulsive gamblers.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on February 09, 2024, 04:31:17 PM

If suddenly you went on a binge-gambling out of a lack of self-control or something else. For example, you deposit money in rapid succession after a series of losses and the casino management freezes your account. And when you call their customer support, they tell you that your account has been frozen for 3 weeks and the reason why they carried out that measure was because they suspected that you were gambling irresponsibly and decided to take that measure so that you can call yourself back to order, will you feel furious, cuss out, sign out of your account and register on another casino and continue betting. Does even freezing a customer's account curb irresponsible gambling or betting addiction?

Casinos will never take such steps. Even if a person gambles irresponsibly, they will not freeze their account. Casino platforms will freeze your account only when you are inactive on that platform for a long time. Casino platforms always prefer regular gamblers, if there is a temporary problem with their account, they will solve it after a little communication. If a person gambles irresponsibly and the casino platform sees his irresponsible gambling and freezes his account, then I think that the gambling addict will never stop gambling. If necessary, he will register another casino platform, make an account there, deposit money and continue playing games. Irresponsible gambling or gambling addiction cannot be prevented by freezing the account of a gambling addict because there are thousands of online casino platforms. If necessary, he will move towards a unique trusted casino platform.

Yes, casino will freeze their member account when casino found suspicious thing that their member does so the casino will do prevention by freeze the account. They will investigate the account and if their member really doing something that break the casino rules, the casino can block the account and will not allow that member back and use their services.

The casino will not freeze or block their member account because of deposit big money and lose all of the money. That will be their member responsible with their money and how their behavior of playing gambling. If they can be careful and always using limitation, they will not have lose all of the money and the casino will let their member to playing for more.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on February 09, 2024, 04:31:17 PM

If suddenly you went on a binge-gambling out of a lack of self-control or something else. For example, you deposit money in rapid succession after a series of losses and the casino management freezes your account. And when you call their customer support, they tell you that your account has been frozen for 3 weeks and the reason why they carried out that measure was because they suspected that you were gambling irresponsibly and decided to take that measure so that you can call yourself back to order, will you feel furious, cuss out, sign out of your account and register on another casino and continue betting. Does even freezing a customer's account curb irresponsible gambling or betting addiction?

Casinos will never take such steps. Even if a person gambles irresponsibly, they will not freeze their account. Casino platforms will freeze your account only when you are inactive on that platform for a long time. Casino platforms always prefer regular gamblers, if there is a temporary problem with their account, they will solve it after a little communication. If a person gambles irresponsibly and the casino platform sees his irresponsible gambling and freezes his account, then I think that the gambling addict will never stop gambling. If necessary, he will register another casino platform, make an account there, deposit money and continue playing games. Irresponsible gambling or gambling addiction cannot be prevented by freezing the account of a gambling addict because there are thousands of online casino platforms. If necessary, he will move towards a unique trusted casino platform.

Yes, unless if the certain user made out such request then they would definitely be doing so but doing this without having no permissions then this is something that would really be that having a huge problem
specially into their reputation specially if that certain user will really be having those complaints, on which we know that this isnt really that good for the business. Freezing will really be just that only
applicable on the moment if the user did really make out some violation in towards sites TOS on which this kind of action is normal for a site but if it talks about non permitted locking of accounts
then this is really that a shady behavior. Also, casino business does really like into those people who do get addicted because that means making more money for them.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on February 09, 2024, 04:31:17 PM

they tell you that your account has been frozen for 3 weeks and the reason why they carried out that measure was because they suspected that you were gambling irresponsibly and decided to take that measure so that you can call yourself back to order...

I doubt any casino or gambling site can do that. Have you seen anyone thrown sweet things at that rejects it? That's the scenario here. Casinos will see excessive gambling as gain or easy money for themselves, especially if the gambler is reckless and losing money. The only time casinos will be interested in freezing anyone's account will likely be if gamblers' activities will make casinos lose revenue. Maybe when the system is short-circuited or cheated, otherwise casinos won't freeze any account.

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will you feel furious, cuss out, sign out of your account and register on another casino and continue betting.

Of course, it will make anyone who sees their impulsive gambling as a way of recovering their losses furious. In fact, it can even lead to gamblers abandoning such restrictive casinos for others where they can continue gambling.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on February 09, 2024, 04:31:17 PM

If suddenly you went on a binge-gambling out of a lack of self-control or something else. For example, you deposit money in rapid succession after a series of losses and the casino management freezes your account. And when you call their customer support, they tell you that your account has been frozen for 3 weeks and the reason why they carried out that measure was because they suspected that you were gambling irresponsibly and decided to take that measure so that you can call yourself back to order, will you feel furious, cuss out, sign out of your account and register on another casino and continue betting. Does even freezing a customer's account curb irresponsible gambling or betting addiction?

Casinos will never take such steps. Even if a person gambles irresponsibly, they will not freeze their account. Casino platforms will freeze your account only when you are inactive on that platform for a long time. Casino platforms always prefer regular gamblers, if there is a temporary problem with their account, they will solve it after a little communication. If a person gambles irresponsibly and the casino platform sees his irresponsible gambling and freezes his account, then I think that the gambling addict will never stop gambling. If necessary, he will register another casino platform, make an account there, deposit money and continue playing games. Irresponsible gambling or gambling addiction cannot be prevented by freezing the account of a gambling addict because there are thousands of online casino platforms. If necessary, he will move towards a unique trusted casino platform.

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Quote from: alani123 on November 29, 2024, 05:35:56 PM

If s country is ok with sweeping regulation, then they can make it effective.
Completely forbid online licenses and ban any casinos from operating online. This can only be enforced working closely with internet service providers on the national level like china does. Otherwise, good luck. Truth be told this is a bit authoritarian.
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It is pretty authoritarian and also it would be ineffective to curve gambling within society, people who are interested in gambling would simply move onto the black market and start to wager money on there, without having to have taxes (both gamblers and the staff of the illegal casino). It is a rule of thumb, when there is authoritarian rule, there is also an important degree of corruption which allows black markets to exist underground and under the nose of the authoritarian state, that is the reason there are still ways to gamble from countries in which gambling is pretty much banned and forbidden, not even China or The United States could ban gambling if they tried.
The best path to allow gambling to exist within society and also not only the get the worst out of it, is through education and fair regulation, which could protect both gamblers and casinos from fraud and suffering unjustified losses.

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