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Quote from: retreat on November 25, 2024, 11:28:43 AM

Quote from: TheUltraElite on November 25, 2024, 07:53:40 AM

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So yeah, it never stop irresponsible gambling, that is the job of the gambler to stop, not the casino.

The responsibility to stop gambling is entirely up to the gambler, no matter how the casino freezes or bans the user's account, if they still want to gamble then they can gamble whenever they want. And therefore self-control for gambling is something that is needed by gamblers, because if they want to stop gambling or want to reduce their activities then it is entirely their responsibility, not the casino or their closest people.

Recently I have seen an attempt to switch that responsibility towards casinos and I think it is simply nonsense, each person decides what to do with their money, if we allow a third party to take those decisions for us then we become nothing more but grown up children, but it seems that is exactly what governments want as that would give them control over our money, however I hope we will not get to this point, as there is also a lot of people like us that do not want for this to happen.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on November 25, 2024, 07:53:40 AM

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So yeah, it never stop irresponsible gambling, that is the job of the gambler to stop, not the casino.

The responsibility to stop gambling is entirely up to the gambler, no matter how the casino freezes or bans the user's account, if they still want to gamble then they can gamble whenever they want. And therefore self-control for gambling is something that is needed by gamblers, because if they want to stop gambling or want to reduce their activities then it is entirely their responsibility, not the casino or their closest people.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on November 25, 2024, 07:53:40 AM

They usually block IPs and some more things, trade secret of casinos I guess, if they want a self exclusion.

However it is just like any other "ban" - like asking someone to lock you up because you are committing a crime all the well knowing how to open the lock yourself. Casinos know this and they started it only because some people accused casinos of promoting gambling addiction, so they appear as to doing their part in preventing it.

So yeah, it never stop irresponsible gambling, that is the job of the gambler to stop, not the casino.

Yes I agree with you, the point is the irresponsible gambling scenario will never end, as long as casinos exist and as long as they are open to the public then irresponsible gambling or impulsive gambling involvement will continue to exist, as you said this is not the casino's job but the gamblers' job which depends on the gamblers' awareness. On the other hand, I am actually not sure that all casinos will implement such a rule, because usually casinos will not care about anything experienced by gamblers, the point is as long as gamblers come with money then the casino will treat them like respected guests, because only with the presence of gamblers will the casino continue to make a profit, and simply put the more irresponsible gamblers there are the greater the casino's profits will be.

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They usually block IPs and some more things, trade secret of casinos I guess, if they want a self exclusion.

However it is just like any other "ban" - like asking someone to lock you up because you are committing a crime all the well knowing how to open the lock yourself. Casinos know this and they started it only because some people accused casinos of promoting gambling addiction, so they appear as to doing their part in preventing it.

So yeah, it never stop irresponsible gambling, that is the job of the gambler to stop, not the casino.

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Quote from: Cantsay on November 24, 2024, 04:07:43 PM

The only time that it will discourage them and make them lose interest is when their account that’s being restricted or banned has balance in them - that’s the only time they’ll start losing interest but if it just a zero balance account it won’t do shit to them.

Yeah, if the account has nothing in it the casino can do everything it wanna do. Because no matter how it goes, there's always some other casino where they can play.

But if it has a huge and sums of balance, then the user will do whatever it can to fight for its money to take it back and allow it to be withdrawn, this is the reason why many doesn't seem to take any casino seriously until they get attached to it and start to have some good experience from the casino itself.

Customer service, fast withdrawals, these make someone who become butthurt when they like the casino but then because of their malicious activities, gets banned or account freeze.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on November 24, 2024, 03:46:33 PM

Quote from: Cantsay on February 09, 2024, 04:53:05 PM

I’ve never had a personal experience with this before but I believe it should work on some people. If they’re chronic addict it won’t do them any good since they can easily open a new account in a different site and resume their gambling activities.

But for a normal person who has only been using one site for gambling then they should be some hesitation unlike those who have multiple accounts in many sites.

It could literally just make them lose interest slowly in gambling activities.Just so they can be mindful and admit to certain restrictions altogether.The idea or the main purpose of freezing is to be able to mark out the differences or outcomes and curb irresponsible gambling that'll lead to invaluable losses.

But making up those freezing or locking someones account should really be something that be in having that consent or having those warnings but we do know that gambling sites wont really be giving out that kind of situation on which they will really be locking up something without having those kind of letting the user know. Come in mind that casinos would really be that much preferring into those people who do become
that impulsive on what they are really that doing because they do know that once a certain person would really be losing up its control then it would really be that making even more money for them
since spending will really be that out of control and they would really be stopping until the time or moment that they do have lost it all. This isnt really that new anymore into this kind of aspect.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on November 24, 2024, 03:46:33 PM

Quote from: Cantsay on February 09, 2024, 04:53:05 PM

I’ve never had a personal experience with this before but I believe it should work on some people. If they’re chronic addict it won’t do them any good since they can easily open a new account in a different site and resume their gambling activities.

But for a normal person who has only been using one site for gambling then they should be some hesitation unlike those who have multiple accounts in many sites.

It could literally just make them lose interest slowly in gambling activities.Just so they can be mindful and admit to certain restrictions altogether.The idea or the main purpose of freezing is to be able to mark out the differences or outcomes and curb irresponsible gambling that'll lead to invaluable losses.

If we’re dealing with a moderate gambler here or one that recently started gambling irresponsibly this might work but when it comes to the case of a chronic gambling addiction it won’t work on them - instead they’ll become used to it and start to take account restrictions as a normal thing and some might even start anticipating their account to being restricted and once it happens they’ll move to a new one.

The only time that it will discourage them and make them lose interest is when their account that’s being restricted or banned has balance in them - that’s the only time they’ll start losing interest but if it just a zero balance account it won’t do shit to them.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on November 24, 2024, 03:46:33 PM

Quote from: Cantsay on February 09, 2024, 04:53:05 PM

I’ve never had a personal experience with this before but I believe it should work on some people. If they’re chronic addict it won’t do them any good since they can easily open a new account in a different site and resume their gambling activities.

But for a normal person who has only been using one site for gambling then they should be some hesitation unlike those who have multiple accounts in many sites.

It could literally just make them lose interest slowly in gambling activities.Just so they can be mindful and admit to certain restrictions altogether.The idea or the main purpose of freezing is to be able to mark out the differences or outcomes and curb irresponsible gambling that'll lead to invaluable losses.

Although I am not sure that there are casinos that implement such rules for the safety of gamblers but if there are indeed such casinos then yes of course it is good, as you said that slowly maybe impulsive gamblers or those who are already addicted to chronic levels can reduce their level of interest in gambling by force, but it does not mean that it is impossible for them to find some other casinos that do not implement such rules right? Cheesy

, I think it is very clear, because as we know that a gambler who is already addicted is usually willing to do anything just to realize his desire to gamble.

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Quote from: Cantsay on February 09, 2024, 04:53:05 PM

I’ve never had a personal experience with this before but I believe it should work on some people. If they’re chronic addict it won’t do them any good since they can easily open a new account in a different site and resume their gambling activities.

But for a normal person who has only been using one site for gambling then they should be some hesitation unlike those who have multiple accounts in many sites.

It could literally just make them lose interest slowly in gambling activities.Just so they can be mindful and admit to certain restrictions altogether.The idea or the main purpose of freezing is to be able to mark out the differences or outcomes and curb irresponsible gambling that'll lead to invaluable losses.

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There is no need to think too much about this, maturity is knowing that Bitcoin is better than gold, respecting the criteria of the people who defend gold, I think that Bitcoin has surpassed it by far, gold is backed by global economies that are falling, well supposedly they will fall, now with Donald Trump things will be different.

Market indices will point to rising, but Bitcoin will continue to rise whether the economy falls or falls, because many will want to protect their money in what is really worth it and what is worth it is Bitcoin.

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Quote from: Wakate on November 18, 2024, 12:16:01 PM

Wow, this is a good news and I will be waiting for the casino that will freeze my account telling I gambled recklessly. Maybe this will be a big dream for me because I am still contemplating if casino could actually do that? The only way they could freeze your account can be because they suspect funds to it to be a form of money laundry,

Imagine casinos setting such guidelines to all the gamblers that anybody who gambles recklessly will have there account freezing, that would certainly help those in need of the courage to reduce there gambling habits but those are assumptions that can never happen because casinos on the other hand make more money through the traffic on there platform, so instead of doing that, if it were to be possible they would have even do something that will make people trooping the more, so actually casinos has no right to decide if someone is being reckless in gambling or not so if there should be any sorts of account freezing is only if the gambler has committed any offense.

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I don't think any of the gambling platforms will be this responsible. If a gambling platform does such a fund freeze, then they're really responsible, in my view, and they're really doing social justice, even though they're into business. However, a gambler who is into a series of wins and experiencing continuous losses will tend to wager as he'll be with the utmost urge to recover his losses. Most of the time, winning happens when we take a break at the right time. When one is experiencing loss, they won't have control over their activities. Taking a break will let them analyse what they've made wrong with his betting. Not many of the gamblers do it. If a platform itself is giving a break, then it is really appreciable.

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Quote from: peter0425 on November 19, 2024, 02:57:45 AM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on November 18, 2024, 09:18:55 PM

And for someone who is already addicted, it will not be easy for them to stop even if the account they have is frozen or blocked but they will not run out of ways to return to gambling, they will definitely return to gambling with one way is to create a new account or indeed look for a new casino. Awareness is the key to being able to minimize addiction that has occurred but addiction itself is not easy to happen so it is difficult to get out when you are trapped in a cycle of addiction.

Online casinos ban your IP address so you can’t make another account in the same online casino however you can definitely go and find another casino. The cycle will just repeat if you don’t fix the very problem. You might get banned again in the new casino.

This might help some gamblers but at the very least casinos are just banning you so they are not directly responsible of your gambling addiction. It’s like saying “do it somewhere else!”. But also it is really just what the casino can do to “help” a struggling gambling addict.

That's what I mean, when players have problems with their accounts being blocked they will not run out of ideas to re-create an account at a new casino, besides that in my area there are several young people who gamble and experience problems like this but he can still create a new account at the same casino before, this might prove that ip is not a major problem even when the casino blocks the player's account, or maybe not all casinos limit the player's account with his ip.
But with account blocking like this it might make the player think and make the player no longer eager to gamble, but it's also strange if it's like this because casinos certainly want loyal customers which is an advantage for them. So what casinos will do is make players comfortable so that they continue to gamble, not by making players lose their enthusiasm for gambling.

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Quote from: peter0425 on November 19, 2024, 02:57:45 AM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on November 18, 2024, 09:18:55 PM

And for someone who is already addicted, it will not be easy for them to stop even if the account they have is frozen or blocked but they will not run out of ways to return to gambling, they will definitely return to gambling with one way is to create a new account or indeed look for a new casino. Awareness is the key to being able to minimize addiction that has occurred but addiction itself is not easy to happen so it is difficult to get out when you are trapped in a cycle of addiction.

Online casinos ban your IP address so you can’t make another account in the same online casino however you can definitely go and find another casino. The cycle will just repeat if you don’t fix the very problem. You might get banned again in the new casino.

This might help some gamblers but at the very least casinos are just banning you so they are not directly responsible of your gambling addiction. It’s like saying “do it somewhere else!”. But also it is really just what the casino can do to “help” a struggling gambling addict.

Maybe that gambler still find a way to make another account as they think that playing gambling on that casino makes them comfortable. That is normal happen to many people when their account getting banned by the casino. They feel difficult to search for the casino like that so that is why they want to create another account.

At least, that gambler can learn about what already changed with them so they can know that they are addicted to gambling. Creating another account in different casino is easy but the hard thing is how we can know or realize that we are addicted to gambling or not.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on November 18, 2024, 09:18:55 PM

And for someone who is already addicted, it will not be easy for them to stop even if the account they have is frozen or blocked but they will not run out of ways to return to gambling, they will definitely return to gambling with one way is to create a new account or indeed look for a new casino. Awareness is the key to being able to minimize addiction that has occurred but addiction itself is not easy to happen so it is difficult to get out when you are trapped in a cycle of addiction.

Online casinos ban your IP address so you can’t make another account in the same online casino however you can definitely go and find another casino. The cycle will just repeat if you don’t fix the very problem. You might get banned again in the new casino.

This might help some gamblers but at the very least casinos are just banning you so they are not directly responsible of your gambling addiction. It’s like saying “do it somewhere else!”. But also it is really just what the casino can do to “help” a struggling gambling addict.

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If suddenly you went on a binge-gambling out of a lack of self-control or something else. For example, you deposit money in rapid succession after a series of losses and the casino management freezes your account. And when you call their customer support, they tell you that your account has been frozen for 3 weeks and the reason why they carried out that measure was because they suspected that you were gambling irresponsibly and decided to take that measure so that you can call yourself back to order, will you feel furious, cuss out, sign out of your account and register on another casino and continue betting. Does even freezing a customer's account curb irresponsible gambling or betting addiction?

Wow, this is a good news and I will be waiting for the casino that will freeze my account telling I gambled recklessly. Maybe this will be a big dream for me because I am still contemplating if casino could actually do that? The only way they could freeze your account can be because they suspect funds to it to be a form of money laundry, and trying to know who you are and what are the sources of your income. I have never seen a casino where casino will freeze your account because your are gambling too much. This is your choice and they could always dm you which is better than trying to stop your from gambling when you are one if their biggest customers. Maybe they might even give you bonus rewards for that, I guess!

We have the same thoughts in responding to the case, my friend, I have never seen or heard of a casino that freezes a gambler's account just because they play excessively in depositing money, and if there is such a casino then I think the population of gamblers who end up bankrupt by losing all their money will decrease, and maybe it can also be said that maybe gambling will not look attractive anymore when every time a gambler wants to vent his lust while at the same time his account is frozen.

As in general, when for example we often shop at a store to buy anything, usually the shop owner will be very happy and when we shop for more items then of course they are much happier because they get profit when more items are sold, and well it's not much different from a casino, when a gambler plays more and deposits money then they will be happier too, so the only reason I think makes more sense for an account freeze case is only when you violate something or do something suspicious.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on November 18, 2024, 09:01:25 PM

Quote from: Ever-young on November 11, 2024, 11:06:44 PM

Even when the gambler’s account with the casino is blocked, that wouldn’t still help solve his gambling addiction, it takes more than that. The client might formal request for the casino to block his account and maybe this may only be effective for while by succeeding to keep him away from gambling for maybe a few days or weeks, depending on how addicted the fellow is. And if/when he can’t take it anymore and wish to satisfy the urge of gambling, he’ll simply just switch to another casino and play their games.

Well you're right, there's no way to say no, but at least if the client does that it means that he is committed to ending his problem and that is something that I see as good, everything that is done to take care of oneself and to overcome that addiction is valid, even if it is something small and very significant, sometimes many people lock themselves in an addiction because they believe that it is the only thing that can generate happiness or make them feel good, but they have to get out of there for a moment and see more, I don't know a trip or something, sports, ban yourself from a casino, well the sum of all those things does help.

Someone who is addicted to gambling will experience many bad impacts which can affect other people around them, with them being addicted of course they have to undergo better changes such as getting out of there to see many other things outside if gambling is not something that can make them get a steady income or even make them get rich in just a short time, although this may happen but the chances of it happening are very small.
And for someone who is already addicted, it will not be easy for them to stop even if the account they have is frozen or blocked but they will not run out of ways to return to gambling, they will definitely return to gambling with one way is to create a new account or indeed look for a new casino. Awareness is the key to being able to minimize addiction that has occurred but addiction itself is not easy to happen so it is difficult to get out when you are trapped in a cycle of addiction.

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Quote from: Ever-young on November 11, 2024, 11:06:44 PM

Even when the gambler’s account with the casino is blocked, that wouldn’t still help solve his gambling addiction, it takes more than that. The client might formal request for the casino to block his account and maybe this may only be effective for while by succeeding to keep him away from gambling for maybe a few days or weeks, depending on how addicted the fellow is. And if/when he can’t take it anymore and wish to satisfy the urge of gambling, he’ll simply just switch to another casino and play their games.

Well you're right, there's no way to say no, but at least if the client does that it means that he is committed to ending his problem and that is something that I see as good, everything that is done to take care of oneself and to overcome that addiction is valid, even if it is something small and very significant, sometimes many people lock themselves in an addiction because they believe that it is the only thing that can generate happiness or make them feel good, but they have to get out of there for a moment and see more, I don't know a trip or something, sports, ban yourself from a casino, well the sum of all those things does help.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on November 17, 2024, 11:34:52 AM

Yes and that's what makes me feel that I'm a little less confident if the casino does apply rules like freezing gamblers' accounts just because they treat gambling excessively because it would clearly be more profitable for the casino, unless the gamblers do various actions that violate the rules or suspicious actions that have the potential to harm the casino.

Of course, if a gambler can gamble by following all the rules implemented by the casino without breaking anything and can always make wise decisions when they are gambling, then they will avoid the problem of account freezing and other problems such as the negative impact of losing significant amounts of money as we often hear.

It is unlikely that a casino will freeze a player's account if they bet too much or allocate their money to the casino because it is indeed an advantage for the casino itself, besides I don't think any casino cares about what happens to its players whether they experience big losses with their money running out in large amounts because of gambling and experiencing continuous defeats or those who experience other bad impacts, I have never found a casino that freezes the accounts of players who play excessively.

For players who are wise in their mindset and actions, I don't think they will make mistakes or violate casino rules, but it is possible that they commit violations that are done unconsciously and make their accounts in trouble such as being frozen by the casino, therefore when there is an update made by the casino, we should take the time to listen to it so that no mistakes occur because it is possible that the mistakes that occur are made unconsciously because of updates that we don't know about.

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