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Quote from: Alpha Marine on February 16, 2024, 05:33:02 PM

Casinos don't have the right to do that. Just because they perceive that the person is not gambling responsibly doesn't give them the right to lock the person's account. If he has defaulted on a rule or it was stated in the "terms of service" that they would lock his account if he gambles irresponsibly then they might have the right to do so, but if it's not started the account owner has the right to get angry.

I also do not think freezing or locking a casino account can curb irresponsible gambling. The gambler can easily open another account with a different casino.

Casinos have the right to lock the accounts of all their members, whether they gamble very infrequently or those who gamble often. Even if the person is not gambling responsibly, the casino will not lock that person's account because that person should already be responsible for gambling. A gambler should lock his account using self-exclusion if he does not want to gamble irresponsibly because it is his account and his money. The casino will lock a person's account when the casino finds the person breaking the rules of the casino and the casino will ask for identification from the person before the casino allows them to continue gambling.

Even if a casino locks a person's account, that person can easily open a new account at that casino or any other casino. Therefore, we must be careful when playing gambling and must be able to use gambling as entertainment only.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on February 09, 2024, 04:31:17 PM

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It doesn't. Like for real. It's really easy for someone to just create a new account on another casino, or if tried to ban himself offline, then go register online or something. Casinos don't have any measures at all for trying to curb it to that point since in the end, they're still customers aka money/profit for them.

I mean it already says a lot with them needing someone to request the user to freeze their account before freezing it. Otherwise, you would've expected the legal team of a casino to require individual financial statements so that they can track the difference between the amount they use monthly to pay vs their monthly income. Probably goes a bunch of legal stuff, but tldr, they can't. And even if they can't, they probably won't. Unless required by the law.

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Gambling sites stand for the deposits of the gambler. If the gamblers can't be addicted to gambling then they won't deposit after a loss and in this case, casinos will be a loser and they won't be able to maintain their costs. So, the heading is the full alter site of a casino.

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Quote from: Alpha Marine on February 16, 2024, 05:33:02 PM

Casinos don't have the right to do that. Just because they perceive that the person is not gambling responsibly doesn't give them the right to lock the person's account. If he has defaulted on a rule or it was stated in the "terms of service" that they would lock his account if he gambles irresponsibly then they might have the right to do so, but if it's not started the account owner has the right to get angry.

I also do not think freezing or locking a casino account can curb irresponsible gambling. The gambler can easily open another account with a different casino.

This way it makes more sense. Adding rules where the casino can withdraw you makes more sense than not making it clear to the player. This way the player doesn't get angry and neither does the casino lose that much money.

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Casinos don't have the right to do that. Just because they perceive that the person is not gambling responsibly doesn't give them the right to lock the person's account. If he has defaulted on a rule or it was stated in the "terms of service" that they would lock his account if he gambles irresponsibly then they might have the right to do so, but if it's not started the account owner has the right to get angry.

I also do not think freezing or locking a casino account can curb irresponsible gambling. The gambler can easily open another account with a different casino.

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Casino loves those gamblers who are impulsive
Casino loves those gamblers who do chase up loses
Casino loves for people to continously be making deposits
Casino loves to those impulsive gamblers

This is why its really that hard to believe that a gambling casino site or house would be blocking someones account without telling them just because
they are really that seeing that those people are becoming that addicted?It is really that fully contrary on what they do really like.

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If basically the person really likes gambling and has an addictive taste for gambling itself, then there will always be opportunities and ways for a gambling addict to continue carrying out his gambling activities, even though his casino account has been frozen on one of the gambling platforms. Because there is not just one online casino platform in this world, but many. and it is quite difficult for an individual to get out of the problem of his addiction to gambling. Even when he doesn't have enough money to be able to gamble, he will struggle to earn money, even by taking out loans or selling his personal belongings, this he does simply to fulfill his desire to continue gambling. "The losses they experience while gambling, sometimes this is not enough to make them aware of the bad behavior they have been doing." And they will realize this only when their position is really difficult, where there is no longer anyone who cares and believes in them enough, so they can no longer take out a loan, or when they no longer have things that can for sale.

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Quote from: Docnaster on February 16, 2024, 04:06:48 PM

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Quote from: Quidat on February 16, 2024, 03:48:47 PM

Easy to say but when you are on such situation or condition then you would definitely be finding this to be a tough situation.Only a few could be able to mind themselves that they are spending too much and the rest would really be failing on doing so and would really be continuing on what they are doing just because they do have those kind of thoughts that they could really be winners in the end of the day.Well, people wont really be making out those kind of realizations until they would really be able to experience those unfortunate events and this is why its not really shocking
that there are people who do keep on whining and crying on the time that they had experienced those tough situations in regarding to this.

I've been an irresponsible gambler before or should I say an addicted gambler and because of my experience, I think I perfectly can relate to what you're saying here. The way people think it's easy to stop a gambling addict from his addiction is actually not as easy most people think and that's because when a gambler become addicted, he'll always think that he's gonna recover all his lost money in the next gamble which is almost impossible to do but he'll still want to try and try again.

For me, I lost every dime on me and had to go almost 72 hours without food before I called myself to order but before that, my close relatives who has already found out that I was addicted had advised me to stop but never did I listen to theme

Listening into someones advise is never been that a behavior nor a thing for those addicted ones already with gambling. You would definitely be pushing yourself on playing
gambling as long you would really be able to make yourself getting that contented basing up into the things that you do have in your mind. Once you wont really be satisfied then
you wont really be quitting or as long you do have the funds that you could really make use of then you wont really be quitting. This is why on the time that they would
be blocked or would really be stopped then there would really be that huge disappointment or would really be testing out their patience.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on February 09, 2024, 04:31:17 PM

If suddenly you went on a binge-gambling out of a lack of self-control or something else. For example, you deposit money in rapid succession after a series of losses and the casino management freezes your account. And when you call their customer support, they tell you that your account has been frozen for 3 weeks and the reason why they carried out that measure was because they suspected that you were gambling irresponsibly and decided to take that measure so that you can call yourself back to order, will you feel furious, cuss out, sign out of your account and register on another casino and continue betting. Does even freezing a customer's account curb irresponsible gambling or betting addiction?

There's no casino that would try to help you curb your gambling addiction; Mind you, casinos are businesses managed and controlled by people (their owners)... It'll be a big loss should they try to ask you to stop wagering - cus the more you lose, the more they make profit...

...But lemme just assume this was the case - I'd simply say it doesn't curb the gambler's urge... They could actually decide to get registered on another site and the worst would be expected. Alot of gamblers may even go as far as absconding from the relative's sight should they try to disturb them (assuming this was a land-based casino issue too)

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Quote from: Westinhome on February 16, 2024, 03:59:06 PM

Quote from: Quidat on February 16, 2024, 03:48:47 PM

Easy to say but when you are on such situation or condition then you would definitely be finding this to be a tough situation.Only a few could be able to mind themselves that they are spending too much and the rest would really be failing on doing so and would really be continuing on what they are doing just because they do have those kind of thoughts that they could really be winners in the end of the day.Well, people wont really be making out those kind of realizations until they would really be able to experience those unfortunate events and this is why its not really shocking
that there are people who do keep on whining and crying on the time that they had experienced those tough situations in regarding to this.

I've been an irresponsible gambler before or should I say an addicted gambler and because of my experience, I think I perfectly can relate to what you're saying here. The way people think it's easy to stop a gambling addict from his addiction is actually not as easy most people think and that's because when a gambler become addicted, he'll always think that he's gonna recover all his lost money in the next gamble which is almost impossible to do but he'll still want to try and try again.

For me, I lost every dime on me and had to go almost 72 hours without food before I called myself to order but before that, my close relatives who has already found out that I was addicted had advised me to stop but never did I listen to theme

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Quote from: Quidat on February 16, 2024, 03:48:47 PM

Easy to say but when you are on such situation or condition then you would definitely be finding this to be a tough situation.Only a few could be able to mind themselves that they are spending too much and the rest would really be failing on doing so and would really be continuing on what they are doing just because they do have those kind of thoughts that they could really be winners in the end of the day.Well, people wont really be making out those kind of realizations until they would really be able to experience those unfortunate events and this is why its not really shocking
that there are people who do keep on whining and crying on the time that they had experienced those tough situations in regarding to this.

The situation you are surviving only know by yourself,because the gamblers who loss the funds get into the biggest depression stage.The gamblers who get into the deepest depression will become a gambling addicted person most of the time.The end is not know by the gamblers at the beginning,So he will keep play for the good results.When the gamblers keep increasing their initial dollars,he will get some ego towards the gambling site.It must be avoided by the gamblers,because that ego will increase your self confidence.The final result will be the gamblers will double their betting money for each bet which is the risky one which leads to big loss.

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Quote from: Z390 on February 13, 2024, 04:38:14 AM

A casino will never freeze your account because you are losing money, that is not making sense, I believe they want you to keep gambling and keep losing money, it's better income stream for them than you, if a casino freeze your account it's for another reason, not this one.

Also even if they do this to help their customer, it won't be effective because the customer is probably gambling with what he can afford to lose, so who are you to say that they are gambling irresponsibly? The person will get mad and quite using the casino and find a better alternative.

It takes few minutes to register and sign up on a online casino, it's not that hard, and the old casino just lost a customer, let's stop dreaming, there is no online casino that wishes to lose customer, if you are addicted to gambling it's your problem, they are not in position to curb gambling addiction for anyone.

I agree. It makes no sense for the casino to block the flow of money that keeps it active. Because without customers they have no reason to be open. Furthermore, they can help the customer in a more direct way that would solve the problem once and for all.

Yes it doesnt really make any sense on this regard on which they would really be trying to cut it off their main source of income or revenue on which we know that as long the user wont really be having no complaints or issues on the platform then they wont really be tending on having those kind of blocking or whatsoever. House wont really be that be in concern about their customers condition or would really be that trying out to be that trying out to engage on personal things like on how they should be spending up their money. Its true that it doesnt have any sense that you would really be
stopping those people on spending via blocking their account because once you do then they would really be just simply creating another one.

In short, it's always good to play in moderation and see your limits. Bet what you can afford to lose and have fun responsibly. Otherwise, the user may have health complications, etc. And it's bad for everyone.

Easy to say but when you are on such situation or condition then you would definitely be finding this to be a tough situation.Only a few could be able to mind themselves that they are spending too much and the rest would really be failing on doing so and would really be continuing on what they are doing just because they do have those kind of thoughts that they could really be winners in the end of the day.Well, people wont really be making out those kind of realizations until they would really be able to experience those unfortunate events and this is why its not really shocking
that there are people who do keep on whining and crying on the time that they had experienced those tough situations in regarding to this.

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Quote from: EL MOHA on February 09, 2024, 04:58:16 PM

No casino or gambling site will ever close down or freezes a customer account from excessive gambling because it is to their advantage since the house is only the winner in this. The only time aside which they freezes your account is when they notice something suspicious like you breaking the rules or you are signing into the account from various devices and the signee is initiating a withdrawal.they halt everything just to secure your funds.

Gambling sites would love that there is more and more wagering on their sites and this will give more profits to those sites as the majority of the people will lose in gambling and all the losing money goes to the gambling sites. Since we hardly find any P2P gambling model, the losing money from the gambler is actually a winning money for the gambling casino owner or site.

Quote from: EL MOHA on February 09, 2024, 04:58:16 PM

The only thing have heard and seems logical is that casinos will send you newsletters or advice on how to over come too much loses and we all know all this too is to keep you with them having that belief of winning and nothing more.

Yes, this is just a formality from them that they care about the gamblers. They know that the gamblers hardly read these emails and golden points mentioned on these emails. Even most of the gamblers do not read the terms and conditions mentioned on the gambling sites (which is wrong on the part of gambler).

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Quote from: Quidat on February 14, 2024, 05:20:56 PM

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Quote from: Z390 on February 13, 2024, 04:38:14 AM

A casino will never freeze your account because you are losing money, that is not making sense, I believe they want you to keep gambling and keep losing money, it's better income stream for them than you, if a casino freeze your account it's for another reason, not this one.

Also even if they do this to help their customer, it won't be effective because the customer is probably gambling with what he can afford to lose, so who are you to say that they are gambling irresponsibly? The person will get mad and quite using the casino and find a better alternative.

It takes few minutes to register and sign up on a online casino, it's not that hard, and the old casino just lost a customer, let's stop dreaming, there is no online casino that wishes to lose customer, if you are addicted to gambling it's your problem, they are not in position to curb gambling addiction for anyone.

I agree. It makes no sense for the casino to block the flow of money that keeps it active. Because without customers they have no reason to be open. Furthermore, they can help the customer in a more direct way that would solve the problem once and for all.

Yes it doesnt really make any sense on this regard on which they would really be trying to cut it off their main source of income or revenue on which we know that as long the user wont really be having no complaints or issues on the platform then they wont really be tending on having those kind of blocking or whatsoever. House wont really be that be in concern about their customers condition or would really be that trying out to be that trying out to engage on personal things like on how they should be spending up their money. Its true that it doesnt have any sense that you would really be
stopping those people on spending via blocking their account because once you do then they would really be just simply creating another one.

In short, it's always good to play in moderation and see your limits. Bet what you can afford to lose and have fun responsibly. Otherwise, the user may have health complications, etc. And it's bad for everyone.

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Quote from: uneng on February 09, 2024, 04:47:49 PM

As far as I know, casinos only freeze an account if the gambler has broken the platform's rules, or if he asks for being freezed. The casino itself won't decide what is irresponsible gambling based on subjective factors and clues. If the gambler is constantly making new deposits and losing money, it's not a concern of the casino at all, unless the gambler contacts their support and tell them he is having difficulties to stop playing, so he can demand his account to be freezed. Then I believe it's an obligation for the casino to do so, otherwise it can be considered the casino is taking advantage of a vulnerable individual, in case the gambler takes further action in the court against the platform.

The gambling site may close the account if the site has no automated free option for responsible gambling and few sites might have an automated option which their site may use to stop gambling as the person may think if the account can be live then the user may play again and again which may turn into more loss.

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I don’t think a scenario like you one in the OP could ever play out. A casino caring so much about a gambler that they restrict the account of the gambler so there would not be any more deposits and the person would not be able to continue playing.
I believe a more likely scenario would be the casino suspending his account for some other legit reason and not cause they’re enforcing responsibility amongst their customers. More like, You’re above 18 and should be old enough to make decisions. If you choose to be irresponsible, they’re probably not going to stop you.

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Quote from: Pumared on February 14, 2024, 04:44:23 PM

Quote from: Z390 on February 13, 2024, 04:38:14 AM

A casino will never freeze your account because you are losing money, that is not making sense, I believe they want you to keep gambling and keep losing money, it's better income stream for them than you, if a casino freeze your account it's for another reason, not this one.

Also even if they do this to help their customer, it won't be effective because the customer is probably gambling with what he can afford to lose, so who are you to say that they are gambling irresponsibly? The person will get mad and quite using the casino and find a better alternative.

It takes few minutes to register and sign up on a online casino, it's not that hard, and the old casino just lost a customer, let's stop dreaming, there is no online casino that wishes to lose customer, if you are addicted to gambling it's your problem, they are not in position to curb gambling addiction for anyone.

I agree. It makes no sense for the casino to block the flow of money that keeps it active. Because without customers they have no reason to be open. Furthermore, they can help the customer in a more direct way that would solve the problem once and for all.

Yes it doesnt really make any sense on this regard on which they would really be trying to cut it off their main source of income or revenue on which we know that as long the user wont really be having no complaints or issues on the platform then they wont really be tending on having those kind of blocking or whatsoever. House wont really be that be in concern about their customers condition or would really be that trying out to be that trying out to engage on personal things like on how they should be spending up their money. Its true that it doesnt have any sense that you would really be
stopping those people on spending via blocking their account because once you do then they would really be just simply creating another one.

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Quote from: Z390 on February 13, 2024, 04:38:14 AM

A casino will never freeze your account because you are losing money, that is not making sense, I believe they want you to keep gambling and keep losing money, it's better income stream for them than you, if a casino freeze your account it's for another reason, not this one.

Also even if they do this to help their customer, it won't be effective because the customer is probably gambling with what he can afford to lose, so who are you to say that they are gambling irresponsibly? The person will get mad and quite using the casino and find a better alternative.

It takes few minutes to register and sign up on a online casino, it's not that hard, and the old casino just lost a customer, let's stop dreaming, there is no online casino that wishes to lose customer, if you are addicted to gambling it's your problem, they are not in position to curb gambling addiction for anyone.

I agree. It makes no sense for the casino to block the flow of money that keeps it active. Because without customers they have no reason to be open. Furthermore, they can help the customer in a more direct way that would solve the problem once and for all.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on February 09, 2024, 04:31:17 PM

Does even freezing a customer's account curb irresponsible gambling or betting addiction?

Not at all!
First of all, a casino would never freeze a user's account just because they find out that the user is gambling irresponsibly. They wouldn't even notice as long as the user is constantly losing because the money is theirs to keep in that case, they would only freeze an account if the user constantly wins which makes them act quickly so that the user can't win more.

Even if they do it, just in case, a gambler can always go to a different platform and start gambling there, as you said. All they would need is to create an account which is extremely easy in cryptocurrency casinos, and then they can make a deposit and start gambling immediately without any restrictions or anything.

That's correct they most likely wouldn't do it because they want you to spend your money. They are not a charity and they aren't going to protect you if you don't protect yourself.
This means that you can have almost any pattern of financing your habit and you can be losing 90% of your games and they'll still let you play there.

Some f you don't understand that often you don't lose money to the casino but to other players, like when you play at a poker or blackjack table. Usually someone wins and your money goes to that person. THe casino has its fees and it makes money on that, so it doesn't care if you win or lose, as it will always make some money as long as you keep playing.
It's a bit different when you play against the house, but we're talking about casinos in general here and in general you have higher chance of being banned when you're lucky than the other way round.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on February 09, 2024, 04:31:17 PM

If suddenly you went on a binge-gambling out of a lack of self-control or something else. For example, you deposit money in rapid succession after a series of losses and the casino management freezes your account. And when you call their customer support, they tell you that your account has been frozen for 3 weeks and the reason why they carried out that measure was because they suspected that you were gambling irresponsibly and decided to take that measure so that you can call yourself back to order, will you feel furious, cuss out, sign out of your account and register on another casino and continue betting. Does even freezing a customer's account curb irresponsible gambling or betting addiction?

There is a casino in the city where I live, yes, they are legal here. And I know that they always require a passport at the entrance to make sure that you are already 18 years old. But besides that, the guard at the entrance also controls the list that he has. This list contains players who will not be allowed into the casino because either they or their relatives so wished. This is a kind of lockdown. But I think that this does not help, because the player can always go to another casino. And in the end, he can always leave to play at an online casino, and there are a lot of them.

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