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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 28, 2024, 10:28:05 PM

The public here mainly consists of bettors who tend to bet on the favorites, whether it’s point spread or moneyline. Most suggestions we see online emphasize that to be considered a smart bettor, you should bet against the public. But what if we don’t bet against ourselves? Can we still find success in sports betting?

When we talk about success, it should be viewed as a long-term process. Some of us may not see ourselves betting long-term, which makes it hard for them to relate to this concept. If someone is just betting for fun, they likely won’t be well-versed in the terminology of sports betting, as their interest is quite limited. In contrast, those who genuinely want to win will study the sports betting market and seek ways to succeed, even if the chances are slim.

I don't bet to follow the opinions of others. My bet is strictly my understanding of the games, the season, the players and how each team is performing and not some random talks of what other people think because at the end of the day, it's my money that I will use to bet and not not the public money or what other people will say. I have seen some stubborn bettors that don't bet straight winnings or the likes of common options, they love betting on hard games.

I know a stubborn bettor that only bet on draw games and you know how difficult is to bet on draw game. Instead of going for multiple bets where everyone will be picking 16 games of the week and many more from other leagues, they focused only on drawing 5-7 games and they are done. It's a difficult prediction but the odd are satisfying and will backup your stake with huge potential winning. No matter what the public thinks of who is going to win and lose, their focus is always on the draw result.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on November 02, 2024, 02:19:29 PM

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That kind of emotions most of the time turns a gambler to deeper problem, when you regret a lot the chance that you might push yourself to play back repeat that same mistake, as you will keep following your instinct that luck will permits you, those who aim for bigger amount of winnings will place their bets against the public, if you aim high better to make sure that you have a full control of your emotions just in case things won't turn to your favor you can quickly move forward and forget about what happened.

many people who experience losses and other negative impacts are usually because they lose control and this loss of control begins with those who are emotional because they get results that are not in accordance with their expectations. besides that people like this usually put high hopes on a bet they make by thinking they can get a big win and make them go home with a bag full of money, but when emotions are out of control they will most likely only regret the behavior they previously did because it will make them continue to bet again and again.

You are right, we must be able to see ourselves, whether we are ready to lose what we bet or not because those who experience emotions are usually the type of people who are not ready to lose with their bets that are made until the defeat that occurs triggers their emotions and makes them lose control of themselves.

And with that they mostly added more money and repeat that same outcomes, betting against the public most of the time are being use by those experienced gamblers, they understand and they know how to work with emotions, if they lose then they let it go, as they know that there are many other opportunities if they will analyze and assess each underdogs that they will entrust their fate.

Self-control helps to manage your bankroll, with good grasp of it even how often you bet against the public you'll be able to lessen the amount of your loses as you know your limits and you know the risk that you take.

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Quote from: Miles2006 on November 01, 2024, 06:26:27 PM

Sometimes the public get things wrongly that’s gambling for everyone either favorite or most active teams they’re times the public choice fail.

As long as we’re dealing with gambling where the prediction is coming from the masses or not, the chance of it being correct is never 100% even when a big team is playing against a very small team the chance of them winning is still never 100% - there are times when upsets happen and we’d get results that we never expected to get.

The public are also making predictions just like you- so sometimes it’s possible for them to predict rubbish.

Well, exactly, I agree with what you said and I think that's what gambling is like, in the sense that it doesn't matter even if you bet by choosing a team that is much stronger in general in terms of statistics, it doesn't mean that at the end of the match they will win, or it can also be said that even if you bet against a weaker team, there is also a possibility for the team you bet on to win.
Remember one thing that there is always a time for unexpected things to happen and it is really proven on the field such as teams that statistically make unnecessary mistakes or like when they lose several players due to red cards which makes the game unbalanced.

That's why I will agree with your opinion that in any type of gambling there is still no way that can guarantee 100% victory, meaning that victory is still a chance and defeat becomes a part that cannot always be separated from it. Overall, yes, most likely the public will make the superior team the choice, but that doesn't mean it is the right choice to achieve victory.

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Quote from: Tmoonz on November 03, 2024, 05:29:34 AM

This reminds me of how I lost in a game that was given to me by a friend just because I felt I came in to football betting before him and at such I should know more better but trust me that doesn't really works that way, anyone predictions stand certain level of chances of winning, even experts picks has no guarantee, I edited the games my friend gave me by adding more games and changing some options but to my greatest surprise he got lucky that week his games played out and when he asked me if I played the game or not I lied that I didn't play the game because my predictions goes against me because of that I have learned not to edit games given to me by another person, rather I will play it the same way and as well play another separate slip predicted by me.

Yea, editing a copied prediction can sometimes contradict your possibility of winning that bet. When you undermine your copied prediction and go on to edit it, it's possible that the game would have been successful but you must have added other few games that can make the game bad or must have adjusted a certain prediction. So, the truth is that, nothing is guarantee is gambling.

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I bet in two ways, it's either I take my time to analyze my games when I am free before I place my bet or I take the predictions of my friends. When making predictions, I usually make use of every possible strategy that defines if the team am betting on has the capacity to win or not.

That strategy of taking games from your friend—do they refer to that as a strategy or just take game to place bet with the hope of winning something out of it if you're lucky enough?

Even if I take a game from someone, I do spend my own time to analyse them and make out my own edit, which is why in some cases you can see two people who share a game, one winning and the other losing due to the little edit that was done in that bet slip.

Taking games from someone and winning the game is not and can not be called a strategy because you are not the actual person that did predict the game. However, even if you win through the game your friend gave to you it means your friend and you are both lucky.
Moreover, even if my friend gives me a game I will not be bothered to check and edit it because I believed that the person takes his/her time to predict it. And again, most edited games end up cutting so it's better to play the game exactly the way it was given to you.

This reminds me of how I lost in a game that was given to me by a friend just because I felt I came in to football betting before him and at such I should know more better but trust me that doesn't really works that way, anyone predictions stand certain level of chances of winning, even experts picks has no guarantee, I edited the games my friend gave me by adding more games and changing some options but to my greatest surprise he got lucky that week his games played out and when he asked me if I played the game or not I lied that I didn't play the game because my predictions goes against me because of that I have learned not to edit games given to me by another person, rather I will play it the same way and as well play another separate slip predicted by me.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on November 01, 2024, 03:18:13 PM

If we are taking bets, we should always consider our own personal reason for taking that bet, that same reason will be what we are going to use in determining for which side or on what should we gamble for, because this is all about our money and how we want to have it spend on gambling bet, the choice we made will determine the outcome of the bet we are playing and we wont be disappointed if we already made the right decision.

Not just that, we can also tell ourselves that we made our own choice so if ever that bet loses, it doesn't hurt much because we didn't rely on someone else or whatever the public is trying to force on us.
I think it's better that way because we will not blame anyone for our mistake and if ever it wins, it also boosts our confidence to make our own decisions on our next bets. We can always use the odds and the favorites as a basis for our own analysis but at the end of the day it will be all up to us and you are right, it is our own money so we better maximize the chance to win rather than just relying on another analysis or prediction.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 28, 2024, 10:28:05 PM

The public here mainly consists of bettors who tend to bet on the favorites, whether it’s point spread or moneyline. Most suggestions we see online emphasize that to be considered a smart bettor, you should bet against the public. But what if we don’t bet against ourselves? Can we still find success in sports betting?

I think I get you, you mean betting in the reverse pattern, right?

I saw a similar strategy here last year but it was quickly rebuked by me and many others, it's not just feasible. We often think that due to our losses why not do things in the opposite? But I tell you that doing things in the opposite will even make you lose more.

If it's casino games you are referring to, you can't beat the system programmed in it, and if it's sports betting you are referring to, we have many options and the bettor's attitude matters too, so there is no holy grail anywhere. The only uniqueness here is our strategy, discipline and management, they can preserve our responsible gambling.

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Quote from: Miles2006 on November 01, 2024, 06:26:27 PM

Sometimes the public get things wrongly that’s gambling for everyone either favorite or most active teams they’re times the public choice fail.

As long as we’re dealing with gambling where the prediction is coming from the masses or not, the chance of it being correct is never 100% even when a big team is playing against a very small team the chance of them winning is still never 100% - there are times when upsets happen and we’d get results that we never expected to get.

The public are also making predictions just like you- so sometimes it’s possible for them to predict rubbish.

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 02, 2024, 01:06:25 PM

That kind of emotions most of the time turns a gambler to deeper problem, when you regret a lot the chance that you might push yourself to play back repeat that same mistake, as you will keep following your instinct that luck will permits you, those who aim for bigger amount of winnings will place their bets against the public, if you aim high better to make sure that you have a full control of your emotions just in case things won't turn to your favor you can quickly move forward and forget about what happened.

many people who experience losses and other negative impacts are usually because they lose control and this loss of control begins with those who are emotional because they get results that are not in accordance with their expectations. besides that people like this usually put high hopes on a bet they make by thinking they can get a big win and make them go home with a bag full of money, but when emotions are out of control they will most likely only regret the behavior they previously did because it will make them continue to bet again and again.

You are right, we must be able to see ourselves, whether we are ready to lose what we bet or not because those who experience emotions are usually the type of people who are not ready to lose with their bets that are made until the defeat that occurs triggers their emotions and makes them lose control of themselves.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on November 01, 2024, 06:25:54 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on November 01, 2024, 06:12:01 PM

A crucial part indeed as each decisions have a counter outcome, you need to make sure that you deal on it correctly either following the public or betting against the favorite in hope that if you timingly place your bet you'll be able to win decently, though betting against the public means playing against the favorite and placing your fate with the underdog, it's up to your good judgements if you win then you'll collect decent to huge amount if you lose time for you to move forward.

Sometimes, whether betting against the public or not, luck still determines when betting. Indeed, maybe if the public or even the odds are more inclined to bet on one side, then most people will choose to follow it in the hope that the chances will be much greater. but the results? Still no one will know for sure, in the end yes yes really lucky can get the results.

that's why, whether we bet following the public or against the public, the point is we must be ready for the risk of possible loss. whether it ends up winning or losing, yes must be ready for the risk of losing. and the most important thing is also not to let us feel very regretful about whatever we have decided, because regret is useless in gambling., losing is still losing, and regret will only worsen the mood and burden of mind.

That kind of emotions most of the time turns a gambler to deeper problem, when you regret a lot the chance that you might push yourself to play back repeat that same mistake, as you will keep following your instinct that luck will permits you, those who aim for bigger amount of winnings will place their bets against the public, if you aim high better to make sure that you have a full control of your emotions just in case things won't turn to your favor you can quickly move forward and forget about what happened.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on November 01, 2024, 06:52:48 AM

Quote from: viljy on October 31, 2024, 04:52:23 AM

Exactly. But without insider information, all these analyses and assumptions will be nothing more than ordinary guessing - in most cases. Therefore, a more reliable tactic would be a lot of small bets against the crowd. This will give you a better chance of winning than several large bets, as if deliberate on the basis of analysis...

If you’re gambling with 100% success, you must have insider information... man, this is gambling on predictions; there’s nothing like that because it’s impossible to get that level of access unless we sell our souls to the devil, you know what I mean? I mean, the big syndicates...no, no, we’re just regular punters trying to find a unique method that could be an effective gambling strategy.

Any gambler that do have an insider and still believes that all the informations given to him her from the insider are 100% accurate will probably stake more than he can afford to lose and this is what makes many gambler wreck because of over confidence in a game.
However, no matter the kind of information you have and the source it comes from we should also know that anything can happen in gamble, so the best thing to do when staking is to risk what we can afford to lose. Although, when one feels that the informations is 100% that the same seconds greed comes in and make the gambler to stake high.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on November 01, 2024, 12:17:40 PM

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on October 30, 2024, 02:52:09 PM

I bet in two ways, it's either I take my time to analyze my games when I am free before I place my bet or I take the predictions of my friends. When making predictions, I usually make use of every possible strategy that defines if the team am betting on has the capacity to win or not.

That strategy of taking games from your friend—do they refer to that as a strategy or just take game to place bet with the hope of winning something out of it if you're lucky enough?

It's not a strategy at all but if that's what it is for some players, I don't support it's a good strategy because if the original forecaster of that game lose, the copies will also lose. The only reason I copy friends is if there's no time to do my own analysis and I just want to try luck with other's game to see if I will win.

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Even if I take a game from someone, I do spend my own time to analyse them and make out my own edit, which is why in some cases you can see two people who share a game, one winning and the other losing due to the little edit that was done in that bet slip.

Yea, it's a wise idea and I have seen a case as the example you gave but if I have all that time to look through the game, I had make all prediction myself.

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Sometimes the public get things wrongly that’s gambling for everyone either favorite or most active teams they’re times the public choice fail. Bet what’s more suitable for you likewise me, I will bet what I feel is best and still the public make good choice sometimes, it all depends on the game basically i don’t need much before knowing what to do concerning my favorite bet. Gambling experience only make things look worst from my point of view, if I should gamble consistently for research sake or learning I might get addicted in other ways which I never planned. I’m not saying consistency is wrong but I’m against the opinion that forcefully state it’s a must meanwhile we still have young gamblers winning with zero experience.

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 01, 2024, 06:12:01 PM

A crucial part indeed as each decisions have a counter outcome, you need to make sure that you deal on it correctly either following the public or betting against the favorite in hope that if you timingly place your bet you'll be able to win decently, though betting against the public means playing against the favorite and placing your fate with the underdog, it's up to your good judgements if you win then you'll collect decent to huge amount if you lose time for you to move forward.

Sometimes, whether betting against the public or not, luck still determines when betting. Indeed, maybe if the public or even the odds are more inclined to bet on one side, then most people will choose to follow it in the hope that the chances will be much greater. but the results? Still no one will know for sure, in the end yes yes really lucky can get the results.

that's why, whether we bet following the public or against the public, the point is we must be ready for the risk of possible loss. whether it ends up winning or losing, yes must be ready for the risk of losing. and the most important thing is also not to let us feel very regretful about whatever we have decided, because regret is useless in gambling., losing is still losing, and regret will only worsen the mood and burden of mind.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on November 01, 2024, 03:18:13 PM

If we are taking bets, we should always consider our own personal reason for taking that bet, that same reason will be what we are going to use in determining for which side or on what should we gamble for, because this is all about our money and how we want to have it spend on gambling bet, the choice we made will determine the outcome of the bet we are playing and we wont be disappointed if we already made the right decision.

IMO.

It doesn't matter if I bet against the crowd and the odds. It's true that if we're taking bets, we have our own reasons for choosing that.

Just don't mind the others that are telling you should have placed bet on the opposing side so as them. It is your money to take care for and you shouldn't be easily influenced by anybody.

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Quote from: Perfectbaby on November 01, 2024, 04:48:53 PM

Quote from: Dunamisx on November 01, 2024, 03:18:13 PM

If we are taking bets, we should always consider our own personal reason for taking that bet, that same reason will be what we are going to use in determining for which side or on what should we gamble for, because this is all about our money and how we want to have it spend on gambling bet, the choice we made will determine the outcome of the bet we are playing and we wont be disappointed if we already made the right decision.

As far as I know in gambling decision making are the must important part of it because when you don't have a personal say or right to make decisions towards your gambling moment you would see that you can easily be switched off from the gambling house or site by fellow. So standing on your decision and work towards is the most important and crucial part.

A crucial part indeed as each decisions have a counter outcome, you need to make sure that you deal on it correctly either following the public or betting against the favorite in hope that if you timingly place your bet you'll be able to win decently, though betting against the public means playing against the favorite and placing your fate with the underdog, it's up to your good judgements if you win then you'll collect decent to huge amount if you lose time for you to move forward.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on November 01, 2024, 03:18:13 PM

If we are taking bets, we should always consider our own personal reason for taking that bet, that same reason will be what we are going to use in determining for which side or on what should we gamble for, because this is all about our money and how we want to have it spend on gambling bet, the choice we made will determine the outcome of the bet we are playing and we wont be disappointed if we already made the right decision.

As far as I know in gambling decision making are the must important part of it because when you don't have a personal say or right to make decisions towards your gambling moment you would see that you can easily be switched off from the gambling house or site by fellow. So standing on your decision and work towards is the most important and crucial part.

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Quote from: Onyeeze on November 01, 2024, 04:20:21 PM

we don't gambling because of fun, we gambling in a way that we want to make money, many people misunderstood these concepts and I don't agree with people who basically focus on fun with gambling, if gamblers is 100 almost 75% people who gamble do gamble base on the interest of winning why 25% maybe considered gambling because of fun, majorly people that gamble because of funs is the rich people and I believe that they are one that I can attest that they because of fun, but average people do use gambling as a source of living and that's why I do find it very difficult to consider or believe people who says that they gamble for fun.

It all depends on each perspective in this case although I also do not deny that in the end gambling is done only because we want to win but in the end we also cannot avoid that the sensation of gambling will feel exciting when we enjoy doing it.

So in this case it depends on the characteristics of ourselves in assessing whether it is only victory that we want to look for or indeed the fun that we really want to get, because after all, when only the benchmark is victory, of course we must be aware that in the end it can actually be ridiculous. Not to say bad but we must be aware that when we are looking for profit, gambling may not be the right place because in gambling conditions, of course, defeat will be found more than the victory obtained.

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Quote from: Onyeeze on November 01, 2024, 04:20:21 PM

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majorly people that gamble because of funs is the rich people and I believe that they are one that I can attest that they because of fun, but average people do use gambling as a source of living and that's why I do find it very difficult to consider or believe people who says that they gamble for fun.

Yes, that's your opinion, and you are free to have an opinion,
but I gamble indeed for fun, but about the nominal used for gambling is certainly not much, and it is very little money.

People who gamble for fun are certainly not only rich people,
but include everyone who does not want to make gambling a place to make their main income.

It's just about having fun, playing to entertain yourself, playing slots with small bets to see how lucky we are with small bets made,
won't expect a big win, but if winning it's certainly luck.

But people who actually live from gambling to make a lot of money,
they are more serious and know better how the gambling system works.

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Quote from: Hatchy on October 29, 2024, 02:32:34 AM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 28, 2024, 10:28:05 PM

If someone is just betting for fun, they likely won’t be well-versed in the terminology of sports betting, as their interest is quite limited. In contrast, those who genuinely want to win will study the sports betting market and seek ways to succeed, even if the chances are slim.

It doesn't matter if you want to bet against the public or not. It's actually more wiser to follow the data not because someone or my the public speaks mor of the team. If you know very well that they aren't having good or better statistics in the past games then it will be better to follow your own idea about the games. For me I prefer better for fun as it isn't a long term thing. You can't always expect all your bets to have good out comes especially if we are still considering it to be a game of luck. We just have to familiarize ourselves with the games or sport we mostly bet on then know most of the teams , their strength and weaknesses. this will help us know what to bet on and who to..

we don't gambling because of fun, we gambling in a way that we want to make money, many people misunderstood these concepts and I don't agree with people who basically focus on fun with gambling, if gamblers is 100 almost 75% people who gamble do gamble base on the interest of winning why 25% maybe considered gambling because of fun, majorly people that gamble because of funs is the rich people and I believe that they are one that I can attest that they because of fun, but average people do use gambling as a source of living and that's why I do find it very difficult to consider or believe people who says that they gamble for fun.

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