Topic: Energy Crisis 2.0 in the New World Order era - page 7. (Read 2734 times)

I wonder where you got the information that the total amount of US aid to Ukraine amounted to more than $243 billion, and it was delivered in the form of cargo in less than 10 days? The current Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, Medvedev, could only have come up with this after another binge. He makes similar statements from time to time.

I was able to find the following information on the Internet about the assistance provided to Ukraine in connection with the military attack on it by Russia:

The Washington Post wrote that since the beginning of the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine, the United States has allocated more than $66 billion in total aid to Ukraine. This is more than the US provides in aid to any other country. More than $43 billion was allocated to Kyiv as military aid, accounting for 65% of the total.
Washington provided $23.5 billion directly for weapons and equipment, $18 billion for other assistance (training, consulting, logistics and equipment), and $1.5 billion for grants and loans to other countries for the purchase of weapons and equipment. Another $20.5 billion was allocated to support Ukraine’s budget, and more than $2.6 billion was allocated to support displaced persons, refugees and other vulnerable populations in the country and abroad.
https://www.epravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/08/7/702986/

American Defense Secretary Austin, during his current visit to Ukraine, said that the United States provided assistance to Ukraine in the amount of 42 billion, and the remaining 50 US allies allocated 36 billion. That is, total assistance to Ukraine amounted to $78 billion.
https://ukraina.ru/20231121/1051206971.html

Even the Russian Gazeta.RU, citing Pentagon information, reported that from February 24, 2022 to April 19, 2023, the volume of Washington’s military assistance to Kiev reached $35.4 billion. Moreover, since the beginning of Joe Biden’s presidency (2020), Ukraine has been allocated from the US budget of $36.1 billion in aid.
https://m.gazeta.ru/army/2023/04/19/16582849.shtml

But where is the fantastic 243 billion dollars for Ukraine, and in ten days?

While the topic has shifted from economics to politics, I'll allow myself to return to the topic of this thread

I came across a more pancake history of gas prices, I recommend reading it. Natural gas futures:

Prices are now at 1997-2000, 2017-2021 levels. I.e. the market has returned to its average state.



I think that's a pretty good argument, against the "energy crisis"

You mean from now on (not so far). Because the total of more than $243 billion aid in shipments that reached Ukraine in less than 10 days is not considered small quantities. Although from now on since US decided to send all that aid to the terrorist organization murdering kids in Palestine, the shipments would reach Ukraine in 30-40 days.

It's funny that people are still repeating this old and already debunked propaganda
It is even funnier that they still think Iran's military assistance is some old Shahed136 drones. If you want to know how it looks like just check out Yemen that has gone from the poorest Arab country with only some AK47s to fight with, to the number 2 missile power in the world (after Iran) and has a military that is stronger and more modern than half of NATO members.

Wrong. The delay is because all the production is being sent to the apartheid Zionist regime occupying Palestine so that they can murder more women and children. So they can no longer send the same amount in the same timeframes to Ukraine as before.

I call that progress that you have at least accepted that your first post in this quote chain was complete nonsense and you had no way of defending that nonsense that you thought changing the topic entirely could work

I’m not ready to argue whether nuclear weapons should have been used against Japan at that moment or not, it’s really a very difficult question. I’ll even choose the answer - it wasn’t worth it...
At the same time, I will confirm that it is necessary to destroy the Nazi regime as a goal!

But then - you have some kind of selective memory... Like always

Let's talk about the victims of the USSR/Russia without nuclear weapons, but with the help of primitive, cruel, I would say sadistic methods of exterminating tens of millions of people around the world? Ksati ideology killed more than nuclear weapons! The ideology of communism (and its mutations) is responsible for about 100 million people killed around the world in the 20th and 21st centuries. The USSR destroyed more than 20 million, both its citizens and citizens of other countries, China destroyed more than 65 million, ....

But this doesn’t fit into the concept of propaganda that you adore, right?

Why aren’t you concerned about the use of depleted uranium shells against Ukraine since 2014? Would you like to talk about this topic? Or phosphorus shells against peaceful Ukrainian cities? I understand - it’s not interesting, and there’s nothing to answer, because... We will quickly reveal the lies, but as always you have no other “facts”



Some said, “Yes, we will capture Ukraine in 2-3 weeks.” 

I don’t think that China will dare to do this, having already huge problems in the economy and social tension... Moreover, it is unlikely that Xi, having such plans, would go to pay his respects to the USA.
Once again - without the Western market, currency, technology and investment - China, if it does not slide to its previous level, will become something like the USSR during the Cold War - seemingly strong, but despised by everyone and without positive prospects, although yes - they will circle around “friends”, while China will feed them, but as soon as it cannot feed them, at best they will abandon him and forget...

The fact that Russia is at war in Ukraine with the entire Western world is fairy tales for Russians, who need to be given some kind of justification for why Ukraine was not captured in a few days, as planned in the Kremlin. Let me remind you that in the first two months, when the Western world was just watching the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and from their help Ukraine had only javelins and stingers to wage guerrilla warfare in the supposed rapid occupation of the territory of Ukraine, the Ukrainian Armed Forces inflicted such a major defeat on the invading Russian army that it the remnants were quickly withdrawn from central and northern Ukraine to avoid complete defeat.

After providing Ukraine with several units of Western modern military equipment, the Russian army was forced to leave part of the Kherson region along with its regional center, Kherson, and simply fled in panic from the Kharkov region, abandoning even serviceable armored vehicles. As a result, there was much more military equipment captured from the Russians than the entire West provided. Several Himars missile systems delivered to Ukraine turned the tide of the war. And this is the much-hyped “second army of the world”? What would happen if Russia started to fight with NATO, where there are hundreds of times more such complexes?

Ukraine is receiving military aid, but in very small quantities so far. But the Ukrainian Armed Forces fight not with numbers, not with the help of a “fiery shaft,” but with skill and ingenuity. Ukrainians were distinguished by this even during the Second World War. But on the other hand, if Ukraine was preparing for this war and had the current weapons for its defense, how would Russia justify itself? After all, if we compare the potential and resources of these two countries, then Russia is tens of times superior to Ukraine in all indicators. Where is such superiority seen on the battlefield? Or does Russia only know how to show its strength somewhere in Syria, Africa, where they fight almost with bows and arrows?

Besides, who is Ukraine at war with now, if Iran is providing military assistance to Russia, and North Korea recently supplied Russia with about a million shells for the war in Ukraine? This is despite the fact that the entire West has also pledged to supply Ukraine with a million shells, but deliveries are delayed because it is difficult for them to collect even that many of them.

And that's actually part of the point being made in the topic. China, which is a Nuclear Power, can't make another country, Russia, which is another Nuclear Power, bow down and make it their "slaves". That would be a catastrophe in foreign relations.

Plus China will just put themselves in a bad geo-political situaton. Japan in the West, Russia in the East, and India in the South? Where can China's military go?

Yeah it was an Eastern underdeveloped country that dropped two nukes on Japan or used nuclear munitions in Iraq, dropped the MOAB in Afghanistan or is currently using chemical weapons in Palestine
The Western "developed" and "democratic" and "human right loving" countries have never done such things.
/end of sarcasm

Speaking of China, some are predicting that they will start annexing Taiwan during the US election process...

I won't argue about the main part - everyone has the right to their opinion
I will answer the question about the use of weapons of mass destruction, and we understand that we are talking about nuclear weapons.
The fact is that, for example, Western developed countries are categorically against the use, because They are well aware that a nuclear war is a stick that will hit both sides, and VERY painfully and for a long time. For countries with developed economies, familiar comfort, stability - even a limited blow to their territory will again throw them into a terrible state. They have something to lose, they are against it. But... they may be forced. Until today, nuclear weapons were weapons of DETERRENCE. But today we see that outright terrorists threaten the world with nuclear weapons. Moreover, they degenerated to the point that they began to threaten nuclear-free countries with nuclear weapons. And it is not surprising that one of the proponents of the concept “the whole world is in nuclear ashes” was surrounded, probably in order to minimize his nuclear terrorist impulses. The second one is of course more difficult. But.. and here China is unlikely to “fit in” with a psychopath waving a nuclear baton. No matter which side China takes in a nuclear war, China will also suffer from a retaliatory strike. It seems to me that for China this is not the best way out of the difficult economic situation that has developed this year....

If indeed a multi-national war, and a deal with the United States and its allies, and their support? OF COURSE YES. It would be a foreign relations disaster for China to treat their Russian neighbor as "Slaves". It would be a laughable mistake.



Probably not, but if it comes to dealing with China, Russia shouldn't be forced to use weapons of mass destruction. Could China truly make such a country their mere "slaves". That again would be laughable, I'm sorry.

Plus about the United States not wanting war vs. Iran. I believe they do. In fact, they have the enemy surrounded. Haha.

We may soon find out since more and more Western aid is going to the terrorist organization¹ helping them commit genocide in Gaza. Not to mention US itself is going to need a lot of aid defending against the barrage of attacks that has significantly increased ever since last night's terrorist attack on Gaza which was largest to this day. In other words the more they bomb Gaza, the more US bases are going to be bombed: https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/10/28/T4YmT.jpeg

1. For nitpickers: in the last OIC meeting Israel is officially announced as a terrorist organization. Also if you have watched the latest series of speeches in United Nations, increasing number of countries are referring to Israel as a terrorist organization and/or their actions as terrorist attacks.

Creating an alliance, association or organization or even a union of countries can indeed strengthen the position of a country, or a group or something similar that has the same interests and goals. Because by forming an alias or organization or something like that, it will make it easier to solve a problem that is being faced. The formation of ASEAN has also strengthened the economy, politics and culture or social in Southeast Asian countries. And now BRICS, which is also more focused on increasing the economic progress of the countries in the group, has actually succeeded in fulfilling its goals. Their economy can be said to remain stable even though the global crisis is hitting the whole world. So it is not surprising that more and more countries want to join BRICS. And because BRICS embraces various continents, currently many ASEAN members are also interested in joining. Arab countries have also shown their interest in joining openly. And in fact, more and more countries joining will also provide economic benefits for each country. And strengthen the position of BRICS in the new global economic order.

Basically, currently the countries that have joined BRICS have quite strong power in the economy. Because many of these countries are even rich in oil mining. Even the joining of Middle Eastern countries will strengthen this economic group (BRICS). It looks like BRICS at the new world order will be an important group that will increasingly be in the spotlight and will get its own quite important stage.

My little retarded friend, you forgot that Russia has been fighting the entire Western world in this war. What would Ukraine do without all that military and financial assistance from the west? Without that assistance the war would be long over.

In a chaotic period as the World Order changes, all countries will suffer. The degree of it depends on a lot of things one of which is their resources (energy, food, minerals, ...) that can reduce the number of or severity of the issues they are going to face.

Another important thing that I always emphasize is having wise decision makers. People in key roles that can make the best decisions possible in order to get their country over this troubling times.
One of the best decisions that countries around the world have been making is creating these "altarnative" alliances, association, organization or whatever they may be referred to such as ASEAN, BRICS, SCO, etc.

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On another news, this morning after having sustained more than a hundred casualties in the past week US CENTCOM decided to respond to one of the attacks by an airstrike on a storage facility in Syria.
As I had predicted, this response from US was met with an even heavier response by the Syrian resistance as instead of a small strike using shells or small rockets they used at least 10 ballistic missiles with heavy warheads to attack the US base close to the Al-Omar oil fields in Eastern Syria. The US casualties are expected to be very high.
Good news is that US seems to have gotten the message as they stopped showing any interest in responding to any of the attacks...

Russia to attack China?! Do you believe this? The only reason is to declare war on China and throw 1 grenade across the border to immediately surrender to China

Forget the fairy tale about the “second army of the world”, in Ukraine they have not been able to achieve any noticeable successes in two years, except for the complete destruction of a high-class strike group... Let me clarify - THEIR OWN, Russian group, which entered Ukraine in February 2022, after which collected rabble in Russia from recruits to criminals
And to organize “meat assaults” in the war with China, and there are no other options, well, this is the height of idiocy when assessing the number of people in China
What can it oppose to China with 1+ billion population, the largest military budget, developed industry, including the military-industrial complex, and... a huge number of Chinese in eastern Russia? This will be the fastest and most idiotic suicide

PS And the key question is - who then will buy huge volumes of gas and oil for any money???

I believe not, and if that's your opinion, then OK. I respect it. But shower-thought, if China won't truly engage in a real partnership with Russia, and merely want to treat their neighbors as their "slaves", then again as I posted before, Russia can switch sides and attack the "master" in exchange for the lifting of sanctions and immunity from war crimes.

China would need real allies if they truly want to invade and occupy Taiwan. They can't merely treat Russia as a "slave". Perhaps later if they take over and become the THE super power. China going to be like the United States. A bully.

On the one hand, I agree with you, in politics, friendship is more of a symbiosis than an honest, selfless friendship.

But in relation to China/Russia, this is a “one-sided”, unhealthy symbiosis.
I will explain so that it does not look like an unfounded assumption.
For example:
- "Friendship" of the EU. Mutually beneficial coexistence of geographically close countries, with the aim of building a united “compensatory economy”, and opposition to the dollar economy in European countries. There are other points, but I would call these important
- Friendship USA\Israel. There is real mutual benefit here. For the United States, Israel is an element of influence in the East, and Israel receives enormous financial and military assistance. Although I will add - there are a lot of controversial issues in their relationship and even confrontation.
- And our “couple” China and Russia. What is China's benefit from Russia? None! In today's situation, Russia is simply supplying cheap resources in exchange for China's silence and its neutral position on many issues. Well, plus, as I wrote, “a stick for poking” into everything that can lead to problems. Plus a controlled performer of any “dirty deeds”, completely dependent on China. Those. China is carrying out its “dirty deeds” through the hands of Russia. Including attempts to weaken the Western world, the United States, and their influence. There is NO other practical benefit from Russia. as there are no partnerships. Moreover, China has “views” of Russian territory, especially forests, fertile lands and.... WATER! Believe me, it’s only a matter of time before Russia openly or secretly gives up Baikal to China... The only caveat is that China needs Russia whole, not torn apart by the loss in the war against Ukraine. That's why we observe him acting like this.
Those. The relationship between China and Russia is not a partnership with a reservation, but a relationship between Master and Slave.

Even though we as an eastern nation feel that currently we are still doing well regarding energy availability. Because my country does have its own oil mines and is not too dependent on other countries in energy matters because we have everything here to survive the energy crisis. But still we are also disturbed when it comes to one type of food such as wheat which is increasingly expensive in my country. And many foods are made with wheat here. Starting from snacks to heavy meals, you need wheat. So the price increase for several types of food continues to occur due to the impact of the war that occurred and the crisis that occurred in one of the largest wheat producing countries.

But I am optimistic that the economic revival of eastern nations is truly near. Because in the last decade I have seen our economy (ASEAN) here showing more positive results with an average growth of 4-5% amidst the many global economic crises that are currently occurring.

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Totally expected response when there are no arguments and the truth "cuts your eyes"

Let's go back to you and your hysterical statements once again ? So - give an example of my post, where I :
- displaying racist tendencies ?
- show hatred towards the civilized East ?

And at the same time, what in your worldview is the civilized East - a list of countries ?

And now, once again, we will be convinced that you are just an empty talker Who in the absence of arguments primitively starts insulting and attributing accusations to the interlocutor.....

How is the mindset that you take for grant when oil is cheap. Now gonna pay up for wasting so much energy to generate all the trivial and non essential things. May be started by stop wasting energy on gaming! Next would streaming video that created zero content values.

I believe not. Politics is always giving and taking, plus Putin would never let Russia be used unless there's something for them, an incentive. "Scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours", a true partnership vs. the United States and its allies.

But if China is truly doing as you posted, then Xi is either stupid or he's merely gambling. Because it risks Russia becoming an enemy from the East. Geo-politically, China NEEDS Russia to be its partner.