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Quote from: Dunamisx on April 11, 2023, 05:06:05 PM

Just as we have different measures to take or use in assuming a casino to be a scam casino, they also have their gamblers in categories with order of priority base on the class we fall in, because some gamblers were already a suspected gambler believed to have been involved in any shady act which goes contrary to their wish, all these falls under a different category as well, and when we want to talk about a scam in gambling, it both occur to both parties which are the casinos and the gamblers.

Exactly I have heard a similar case to what you mentioned, the gambler account was automatically banned due to the evil committed by other IP users, and this is a clear sign that casinos always follow players login details and store some information on their database such as IP addresses to use to combat abusers who. May want to abuse the casino with multiple accounts, but in oopensituation, he was not informed of what his offences are and why his kyc got through but his withdrawal get stocked up till now.

So the casino has some explaining to do for ops, apart from. The official statement some investigations need to be done on the account to ascertain, what is the problem.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on April 11, 2023, 05:06:05 PM

Just as we have different measures to take or use in assuming a casino to be a scam casino, they also have their gamblers in categories with order of priority base on the class we fall in, because some gamblers were already a suspected gambler believed to have been involved in any shady act which goes contrary to their wish, all these fall under a different category as well, and when we want to talk about scam in gambling, it both occur to the both parties which are the casinos and the gamblers.

This is normal with every business, not particularly casinos alone, as the owner of a business, it is a mandate to know all your customers and place them in groups or levels, every business knows who their number one, two and three customers are, and for casinos, it is the same, that is one of the reasons why some big and advanced casinos have the ranking system, in the form of different levels of Vips..

And yes, indeed, scam occurs in both ways, there are gambler who find there way to scam the casino, but the thing is, such thing is very rare, casinos scamming gamblers is very much more common/regular.

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Just as we have different measures to take or use in assuming a casino to be a scam casino, they also have their gamblers in categories with order of priority base on the class we fall in, because some gamblers were already a suspected gambler believed to have been involved in any shady act which goes contrary to their wish, all these fall under a different category as well, and when we want to talk about scam in gambling, it both occur to the both parties which are the casinos and the gamblers.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on April 11, 2023, 03:33:15 PM

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Quote from: maydna on April 09, 2023, 11:13:25 AM

It's true what you say but many people will think that using big money means they have a chance to win a lot of money, especially if they place big bets. But the fact is not like that because if they place a big bet, their chance of losing that money will get bigger because gambling will only make someone lose a lot of money unless they are really lucky to win a lot of money.

And yes, just by sending KYC, you may be able to withdraw the winnings. But it will come back to the casino because if the casino is a scam casino, they will not be able to get their winnings and even their documents will be vulnerable to abuse.

One needs to do proper research before joining a casino and gambling with them, if they have not been around for long, it means they are not much reputable and there can also be issues regarding trust, but if they have been around for long enough and there are regular gamblers there, one should have more peace of mind that they won't get scammed.

The reason that your documents can be used for illegal purposes or even be sold to companies, is why one should only choose a trusted and reputable casino for gambling and it is their responsibility to check that before joining.

Cant really blame out for those people who do test out those new sites or even non that popular casinos or place which i do see that this is because on seeking or looking for some new experience on other platforms

on which it do end up for them to make some deposits but its true that before on making such act then we should really be making that in depth research if its really that worth.

In speaking about considering a casino on being scam is on the time that they dont really release out withdrawals at all plus having those shady results or outcomes or simply rigged
then this is the solid indications that you are dealing with a shady area and should really be avoided as much as you could.

This is why if you are playing on a casino first time, better use small amount.
Even if it is popular among gamblers, you should experience first it on your own.
An actual experience is sometimes different from what you are reading from their users.
But if you are already here in the forum, better play on the casinos found here with active support.

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Quote from: jostorres on April 11, 2023, 02:16:46 PM

Quote from: maydna on April 09, 2023, 11:13:25 AM

It's true what you say but many people will think that using big money means they have a chance to win a lot of money, especially if they place big bets. But the fact is not like that because if they place a big bet, their chance of losing that money will get bigger because gambling will only make someone lose a lot of money unless they are really lucky to win a lot of money.

And yes, just by sending KYC, you may be able to withdraw the winnings. But it will come back to the casino because if the casino is a scam casino, they will not be able to get their winnings and even their documents will be vulnerable to abuse.

One needs to do proper research before joining a casino and gambling with them, if they have not been around for long, it means they are not much reputable and there can also be issues regarding trust, but if they have been around for long enough and there are regular gamblers there, one should have more peace of mind that they won't get scammed.

The reason that your documents can be used for illegal purposes or even be sold to companies, is why one should only choose a trusted and reputable casino for gambling and it is their responsibility to check that before joining.

Cant really blame out for those people who do test out those new sites or even non that popular casinos or place which i do see that this is because on seeking or looking for some new experience on other platforms

on which it do end up for them to make some deposits but its true that before on making such act then we should really be making that in depth research if its really that worth.

In speaking about considering a casino on being scam is on the time that they dont really release out withdrawals at all plus having those shady results or outcomes or simply rigged
then this is the solid indications that you are dealing with a shady area and should really be avoided as much as you could.

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Quote from: maydna on April 09, 2023, 11:13:25 AM

It's true what you say but many people will think that using big money means they have a chance to win a lot of money, especially if they place big bets. But the fact is not like that because if they place a big bet, their chance of losing that money will get bigger because gambling will only make someone lose a lot of money unless they are really lucky to win a lot of money.

And yes, just by sending KYC, you may be able to withdraw the winnings. But it will come back to the casino because if the casino is a scam casino, they will not be able to get their winnings and even their documents will be vulnerable to abuse.

One needs to do proper research before joining a casino and gambling with them, if they have not been around for long, it means they are not much reputable and there can also be issues regarding trust, but if they have been around for long enough and there are regular gamblers there, one should have more peace of mind that they won't get scammed.

The reason that your documents can be used for illegal purposes or even be sold to companies, is why one should only choose a trusted and reputable casino for gambling and it is their responsibility to check that before joining.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on March 03, 2023, 02:36:41 AM

Of course, no website is completely immune from hacking, am only disappointed that you guys are taking this as an excuse instead of looking elsewhere to the benefits of KYC.

If a website is new, my dear, you are talking 50/50 chance with them if they are without KYC. Because without it, it means they are not regulated. But you have higher rest of mind if they are truly regulated.

Excuse? Nonsense. 50/50 chance without KYC? More nonsense. I already specifically mentioned in my previous post that I have been gambling at several popular sites without providing KYC at any stage.

Also, no KYC requirement and features such as great offers, great customer support etc are what truly make crypto gambling sites popular. Think!

True, KYC requirement doesn't guaranteed any form of regulation of any online casinos, there is no way a gambling platform will prove to users that they are regulated, many scam projects have stolen users KYC information and they don't know it, these criminals have other use for peoples identity.

At first, I always thought that KYC is the answer, the answer to fraud and other bullshits from platforms, later I found out that KYC requirement could be an idea to scare some people off after they win some money or they have other use for the information they acquired from people.

Kyc can disguise himself in many ways, but obviously this came from a requirement of governments or government entities and it is something that he does not like to walk, however we as players sometimes understand that not even Casinio himself is to blame for things how the kyc is implemented, the licenses, the permits, everything requires documentation, and sometimes the jkyc disguises it by saying that it is a security measure so that at the time of a possible hack they can recover the person's funds, that is something that I don't conceive, because in crypto there should never be kyc, that goes against the natural laws of crypto.

This a typical example of why I believe people don't know the reason for KYC as I've read many kicking against it simply because they lie it could protect them from hacking. Who is saying KYC will protect anyone from hacking? it's your cyber security that will do that for you. What KYC does is to be sure that the person holding the account is what he says he is. And this is in turn creating a better society for us to the advantage of the gambler, the company and the government for security and accountability.

Only insensitive and selfish people that don't mean well for the society would kick against KYC.

I start from the point of view that if we are with cryptocurrencies, we know what the purpose of cryptocurrencies is, it does not make sense that we have to do KYC just to please government entities, in part I am very irreverent with governments,because I know how they are politics moves, and if Satoshi invented Bitcoin where it is money that is to be managed by ourselves, without permission from third parties and much less that they know who is moving it, that is what Really has to be seen,the meaning is simple, of course There are casinos that are our favorites and yes,we make an exception for those casinos, but not for all of them.

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That has been the pattern of some personal platforms they does not ask for kyc verification but after sometime or after you have invested your money they begin to ask for kyc verification so I believe that he has been happening here before now so kyc has been what some casino platforms used to trap some people down

some of the platforms also demanded for kyc verification but some of the participant who patronize the platform does not want to follow the rules and the regulation or the platform sometimes you will not blame a casino platform that ordered all the participants to have their kyc before any other thing is there's one our selfishness that need us into any condition will find ourselves because of not doing a kyc

On the issue of Kyc, I personally prefer casinos that would straight away demand the user to pass kyc verification immediately after registering an account, that is, the user won't be allowed to deposit any money into the Casino unless he or she passes kyc verification, this make one gamble with peace of mind knowing that even if you win big amount of money, you won't be asked to verify your account before you can withdraw.
And have you ever noticed that most times, passing kyc verification at the beginning of account registration is easier, compared to when the casino forces you to do it before you can withdraw your money?

I think the same should be the case with the KYC issue as you are preferring. If a gambler gets approved after submitting KYC first then there will be no doubt. Gambler will deposit and withdraw from the platform without any fear of his account. Most of the time it is seen that many gambler gamble without completing the KYC and he is always in a panic and tries to withdraw if his amount increases a bit. If a casino makes KYC mandatory then it should be forced to do KYC after registration.

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It is enough to consider casinos scams because not all sites are the same it will be easy to know the patterns if you look at the sites well. Security is another big issue as a lot of fraudsters scam innocent players with fraudulent sites or activities. Hence, it is essential to go through the necessary checklist when choosing a new online casino, to check that it is properly licensed and regulated and adheres to standard security protocols. If you prefer to play at an established online casino then you should visit the casino sites.

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In order for some casinos to be considered a scam, there must be more than one serious accusation. Serious means that those accusations contain enough convincing evidence that we can draw some conclusions from them, with all the screenshots.

Just take a look at negatively rated casinos here on the forum and you will get the picture. Also, BTCGosu has a blacklisted casinos page: https://www.btcgosu.com/bitcoin-casino-blacklist/

A place where anyone can check what professionals think about this matter.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 07, 2023, 09:38:54 AM

What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

This is not enough reason to label any casino scam. They can only be a scam if they did not give the money after satisfying all the required documents. This is common in online dealings, which is why it's good to be sure of the company you are dealing with. You may also ask questions before entrusting your money to them.

Quote from: KiaKia on April 07, 2023, 09:38:54 AM

Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

This is a scam, they made your deposit by trick. It's actually against the law (Collecting money under false pretence). They will be guilty unless your friend did not meet their conditions as some might have the amount/limit that goes with that particular bonus. Just be sure of that.

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Everything should have a valid reason. If you have submitted KYC and they didn't verify it, I think they owe the user an explanation why it didn't get approved sometimes a blur image won't be accepted or expired documents or identifications and if they didn't give you reward it is possible that it might be because they found unusual activities in your account but of course if you think you have pass a valid document and you know you didn't violate rules and they didn't give the bonus. You can consider it already as a scam website but first thing you should do is ask them why and if you think it is not valid then that's the only time you can consider that the website is a scam.

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Quote from: slapper on April 11, 2023, 04:02:16 AM

So, imagine this: an online casino demands KYC after a massive win, and you're freaking out. Hold on! Take a deep breath, and relax. This is standard in the cyber gambling universe, meant to thwart fraudsters and money launderers.

But hey, if you've done the whole verification dance and they're still stiffing you on your winnings, maybe it's scam time. Same deal if they stiff you on a bonus after depositing. But hold your horses before you cry foul. Scrutinize those terms and conditions like a hawk, and double-check that you've met all the requirements. Remeber, it's the nitty gritty that counts!

That won't happen at all if the casino doesn't have license and you should also explain it. If a casino have license then they are required to follow the rules which is to ask their gamblers to complete KYC to avoid using their casino in illegal activities like money laundering and fraudulent activities. If the casino doesn't follow the rules then the casino owners will face a consequence or even jail because the casino is considered as partners to the ones who launder money in their casino. What you said is true but you should have provide more information although if a gambler found a casino and the casino's advertisement said NO KYC required then they will know that they won't have to complete KYC if they win huge amount of money.

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So, imagine this: an online casino demands KYC after a massive win, and you're freaking out. Hold on! Take a deep breath, and relax. This is standard in the cyber gambling universe, meant to thwart fraudsters and money launderers.

But hey, if you've done the whole verification dance and they're still stiffing you on your winnings, maybe it's scam time. Same deal if they stiff you on a bonus after depositing. But hold your horses before you cry foul. Scrutinize those terms and conditions like a hawk, and double-check that you've met all the requirements. Remeber, it's the nitty gritty that counts!

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Quote from: Surra53 on April 11, 2023, 01:34:09 AM

Well, I had an experience when I made a deposit and nothing happened, here's the point of online you take all the risks. The most unpleasant thing is that you can still be blocked by everything.

What site was that? Did you deposit fiat or crypto? Have you contacted customer service etc?
With fiat credit/debit card deposits, you should be able to report it to your bank and reverse the transaction, that's one advantage of fiat over crypto deposits.

When trying out new sites always conduct due diligence and see if it has been operating for a while, if it has good reviews, and if it has a license in your jurisdiction - that's a massive plus.

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Well, I had an experience when I made a deposit and nothing happened, here's the point of online you take all the risks. The most unpleasant thing is that you can still be blocked by everything.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 07, 2023, 09:38:54 AM

What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

Before you play on a casino;
- Read their reviews.
- Read their terms and conditions.

Some casino's may not state that KYC verification is required in their terms and conditions when you joined, but it is possible that it was later updated and a notification sent to your email about an update in their "terms and conditions". Many people fail to open and read such notifications.

If it is clearly stated in the updated "Terms and conditions", and you have failed to read it, it becomes your fault.

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Quote from: Kasabus on April 10, 2023, 05:51:02 PM

Gamblers become too lazy to read the ToS because of their obsession to eagerly make profits. To avoid getting into trouble, make sure to understand well the terms and conditions in each gambling casino so that if there are instances like this, you will not resort into panicking and spread some lies that this certain casino is cheating and scamming.

Yes, it's true, many gamblers are lazy to read TOS at casinos, even though understanding TOS at casinos is very important and must be done by all gamblers so they don't make mistakes or violate what has become casino rules and policies.
As you said, there are some gamblers who actually blame or claim that the casino has cheated them, but when we do research and explore everything, it's not the casino that's at fault, but the gambler who is actually guilty for violating the rules of the casino.
But what can make the TOS a text that contains quite a lot so it's only natural that there are still many gamblers who ignore it and prefer to prioritize their profits.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 07, 2023, 09:38:54 AM

Hi friends, I have some questions for you guys about online casinos

What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

I am trying to solve such an issue for someone very close to me and that the complaint he gave, I have no answer than maybe the bonus was canceled already before he made the deposit or there was a minimum deposit requirement.

Any other reasons?

it's not enough to be considered a scam just yet, most casinos require kyc verification when it's time to withdraw, if you've done the KYC and still can't withdraw, ensure to go back and be sure there's nothing you're skipping. Also, read the rules of the casino to be on the safe side.

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Quote from: Kasabus on April 10, 2023, 05:51:02 PM

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Quote from: Outhue on April 09, 2023, 01:10:55 PM

Requires the same old solution, always read the Terms and Conditions, this is the main mistake that almost everyone makes when trying to gamble on an online casino, read the terms and conditions, there is probably something you will come across that you won't like and this will safe you your time and some problems, however, if you have found yourself in this mess you have to comply with the rules to withdraw your money.

Actually it's all because gamblers are sometimes too lazy to read all the casino rules. When they get into trouble or accidentally violate casino rules, gamblers blame the casino.
This is a small mistake that gamblers make that can end up in a big problem.
As we often see in this forum there are tons of people who complain about scam casinos but when the casino representatives explain the complainants are against the casino rules.

Gamblers become too lazy to read the ToS because of their obsession to eagerly make profits. To avoid getting into trouble, make sure to understand well the terms and conditions in each gambling casino so that if there are instances like this, you will not resort into panicking and spread some lies that this certain casino is cheating and scamming.

That's because many gamblers underestimate ToS and think all casinos have the same ToS even though the rules are different.
If they don't want to read the rules in the ToS or are lazy to visit the page, they will regret it, especially when they win a lot of money but have problems when they want to withdraw their winnings.
But unfortunately, those who have had bad experiences do not learn from their mistakes but instead repeat the same mistakes.
If so, just let them be and make the same mistake again.

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