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Quote from: KiaKia on April 07, 2023, 09:38:54 AM

Hi friends, I have some questions for you guys about online casinos

What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

I am trying to solve such an issue for someone very close to me and that the complaint he gave, I have no answer than maybe the bonus was canceled already before he made the deposit or there was a minimum deposit requirement.

Any other reasons?

Talking about me personally there are things that I would do in both cases. Reading the terms and conditions at first place would have avoided both the issues.

1. Reading T&C we would have known that there is KYC and if there is any such process then it's better off to clear the KYC at first place and then gamble on the site.

2. Reading T&C we would have known if the bonus is active or not and if yes then we can raise a scam accusation against it.
If the bonus was supposed to be expired then we could make the deposit accordingly.

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Quote from: Wiwo on April 20, 2023, 10:41:35 AM

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You can consider it as a scam if it did something that is against the law or that is really inappropriate for instance you just won a big amount of money and they will do anything to delay it or in case won't allow you to withdraw and you submitted the required document but still, they did not accept it even though you know that what you have send is valid and doesn't have any problem.

I think you should away on those kind of gambling site.

Even though the ops stated clearly that he didn't know that the casino will ask for kyc but after he won an amount that is above many casino trence hold for kyc demand, because most of the casino may allow you to withdraw any amount that is below $5k but any winning above that limit will trigger kyc demand and the player will need to go through kyc verifications.
But in a situation where the player passed all the verification process and the casino refused to grant him access to the fund then he can call the scam.

Casino sites may require kyc to withdraw large amounts which almost all sites require. But all sites must write this into their rules. op said in his post that he is willing to do kyc but he submitted kyc but his kyc is not getting approved. If the site is repeatedly rejected by kyc despite submitting the correct information, then the site must be trying to cheat, so the site can be called a scam. But op has not posted any proper proof that his kyc was rejected after submitting kyc

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Quote from: coin.princess on April 20, 2023, 04:38:16 AM

You can consider it as a scam if it did something that is against the law or that is really inappropriate for instance you just won a big amount of money and they will do anything to delay it or in case won't allow you to withdraw and you submitted the required document but still, they did not accept it even though you know that what you have send is valid and doesn't have any problem.

I think you should away on those kind of gambling site.

Even though the ops stated clearly that he didn't know that the casino will ask for kyc but after he won an amount that is above many casino trence hold for kyc demand, because most of the casino may allow you to withdraw any amount that is below $5k but any winning above that limit will trigger kyc demand and the player will need to go through kyc verifications.

But in a situation where the player passed all the verification process and the casino refused to grant him access to the fund then he can call the scam.

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Quote from: stadus on April 20, 2023, 03:04:21 AM

Quote from: KiaKia on April 07, 2023, 09:38:54 AM

What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

That sounds like a clear scam, unless you didn't really comply with the basic requirements. Additionally, there should be ample time for you to comply in order to withdraw your winnings. If the casino truly wants to help you withdraw the funds, they will be cooperative and only require the necessary documents.

Once there's already a KYC requirement, it's not just the casino that requires it, but it's mandated by the law because they are legally operating. Therefore, they have to follow the guidelines forwarded by the regulators.

For you to be safe, always choose a reputable casino.

Update is need to see if there's a response coming from the casino since if they didn't solve the issue even all necessary requirements has provided then this is already enough instance to call up that they are scam. No legit casino will give to much technical things to their costumer side because they also care about the feedback that might given by their costumer. But for a casino doing such compromising actions its better to leave them up and post proper warning to other people so that they can read up your experience and also to avoid that casino.

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You can consider it as a scam if it did something that is against the law or that is really inappropriate for instance you just won a big amount of money and they will do anything to delay it or in case won't allow you to withdraw and you submitted the required document but still, they did not accept it even though you know that what you have send is valid and doesn't have any problem.

I think you should away on those kind of gambling site.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 07, 2023, 09:38:54 AM

What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

That sounds like a clear scam, unless you didn't really comply with the basic requirements. Additionally, there should be ample time for you to comply in order to withdraw your winnings. If the casino truly wants to help you withdraw the funds, they will be cooperative and only require the necessary documents.

Once there's already a KYC requirement, it's not just the casino that requires it, but it's mandated by the law because they are legally operating. Therefore, they have to follow the guidelines forwarded by the regulators.

For you to be safe, always choose a reputable casino.

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As op had stated submitted his KYC document and still the casino had not confirm it. He will need to wait for for more time for it to be confirmed than thinking that the casino is a scam. That is it the we can tell whether a casino is a scam or not. At least waiting for some time will be okay than thinking that they have taken all your money.

I think you have missed the point ops made in that write-up because he stated that he has passed the KYC but the casino refused to pass him by approving his withdrawal even though his KYC status shows successful, so this is an outright scam attempt from the casino in question since ops already passed the verification process because if any of his documents were not accepted by now the casino would have notified him to make possible modification to them.

Op need to write the terms and conditions of the casino again before accusing them of been a scam.
The problem is we don't even know how long op had waited for him to admit that then casino could be a scam without having enough patient before admitting that the casino is a scam.

Some people does not have a authentic evidence to show that a particular platform is running a scam platform in order to enrich their self like when you accuse someone of illegalities or criminality a must showcase your evidence to attest what you are present

This is invalid, coming from someone who is promoting a proven scam online gambling casino, are you saying that 1xbit was wrongfully accused of been a scam casino where as it's not a scam? Then you have been fooled, you should seek for answers yourself, and believe me there are too many prove that 1xbit is a scam.

There are many cases where 1xbit is treated as a scam and the reason is that it is a scam, why are there so many who defend it? This casino has deceived many people, when I enter the thread to read what things have been posted there is always someone complaining because they deposited, played, won and their account is blocked because they are told that they violated their terms and conditions, things are not like that, A player should always have as much information as possible and should not be confused regarding this casino, it is fraudulent.

Even if a gambler somehow committed a mistake during their sessions or it is something wrong with the information they provided during the KYC process, they should be given the chance to get their initial deposit back after they have proven their identity, at least; followed with a permanent ban from the specific casino, to avoid future problems. Roll Eyes

There have been some many people begging for money after literal months in their official thread, it is just an ugly and depressing situation. Considering the amount some have lost. There is no reason a legit casino would mistreat people like that.

Really sad to see those people who do keep on begging about on releasing those funds but of course only into those people who do have that legitimate reason and proofs that they do really own those winnings or money excluding into those users who are really just that pretending to be a victim but actually they've been violating on something.Speaking about getting a partial at least on the amount despite on having some violation then it would be entirely be depending on the company because basing up on terms and conditions basing up on whats stated, they do have the full rights on what should be done and via imposing those
consequences then there's nothing we can do if ever they would be getting the whole amount which is most like the case.

- That is the painful truth that most players do not know about casino gambling here in the crypto industry. So it's really important to know the terms and conditions first. At least this way you know for yourself if you're going to continue or not.

It's just that if we look at it sometimes, the problem is with the gambler because what they expect to be released from the gambling platform is that in the end it will have a problem which often does not release the balance because they do not notice that there is also they are exposed to the rules and policies of the casino and sometimes the casino does not want to allow them to withdraw money.

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If a casino is not being consistent in gambling and they begin to express many bugs that serves an abnormalities to user's experience, poor customer service, difficulty in withdrawal, poor website and many more functions found to be abnormal, such can be reported after several considerations and feedbacks received from gamblers on same casino, with enough evidence serving as reference to such allegation can be tender for scam accusation and the community could discuss about it.

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Quote from: Wiwo on April 18, 2023, 08:56:15 AM

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What do you expect from someone who is promoting a known scam casino, definitely he will support the casino that have done similar shady practice that is familiar with his casino's way of operations and this isn't he sign that the ops is deeply rooted and believe in the scam activities done by both 1xbit and the casino who ops complain about.

If the person are just newly in to the promotion of the crypto currency casino which is heading to the scams I guess they will grab the opportunity to make a money it's part of the persons ideal way to earn but if you are already into the space of advertisement that's the time you will take care with your follower and just keep.focusing with their safety even though it's a small profit or not as long as you see that it's safe and many player really courage and reliable to play you will promote those.
Make sure you know what kind of people you are following to.

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Quote from: Hispo on April 18, 2023, 04:15:54 PM

Even if a gambler somehow committed a mistake during their sessions or it is something wrong with the information they provided during the KYC process, they should be given the chance to get their initial deposit back after they have proven their identity, at least; followed with a permanent ban from the specific casino, to avoid future problems. Roll Eyes

Giving the user a second chance or allowing him to withdraw his initial deposit depends on the seriousness of the mistake he committed and whether he did it in bad faith or not. If the user, knowingly, breaches the casino's rules to get some advantage over it then, imo, he doesn't deserve a second chance and his balance should be seized. Otherwise, if the abuser knows he will be able to withdraw his money then he will simply create a new account and try to cheat again since he has nothing to lose after all.

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Quote from: Wiwo on April 18, 2023, 08:56:15 AM

Quote from: Z390 on April 18, 2023, 04:12:01 AM

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What do you expect from someone who is promoting a known scam casino, definitely he will support the casino that have done similar shady practice that is familiar with his casino's way of operations and this isn't he sign that the ops is deeply rooted and believe in the scam activities done by both 1xbit and the casino who ops complain about.

There are so many things we need to look out for when we have the intention of betting on a particular casino. There are a lot of scam everywhere and we need to take proper precautions for us to be on point in out enquiries. Many of the casinos that are available in the internet for not have a good mind for there customers.

Some casinos are ready to spend a lots of money on adverts for them to keep having more customers coming to there casino without knowing that they are going to be scammed at last.

Sometimes majority of the influencers too are triggering and luring gamblers to make the wrong choice when they are looking for a better betting platform.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on April 18, 2023, 08:41:17 AM

Foremost, you should read their TOS if it includes failure of verification will lead to forfeit of the winning prize after x number of days. That way, you can estimate the time you need to resubmit the verification of your account. Also double check if they only allow certain number of tries in a specific duration. Some platforms only allow you to submit 2x verification per month. If these attempts will fail, you have to resubmit and try again the next month. Hence, it's important to determine whether they will forfeit your prize after a certain number of days only.

Next, reach out to their customer representative. You could ask a suggestion or two about how you can make a successful verification of account. Maybe try to take a picture on a more lit environment so that the system could detect your face and your ID card clearly. If all of these were already done but no avail to get your account verified, it's most likely they have no intent to give you your prize. But just give them the benefit of the doubt at first.

Your suggestions are definitely on point. I once worked with a cryptocurrency project as a customer representative, and most of the users who used to fail the KYC verification were making mistakes that you mentioned, taking selfies or pictures of the documents in very mild or less bright places, not submitting proper pictures of the documents, or sometimes providing wrong information.

And yes, there used to be a limit on how many times you can resubmit your details for verification and we used to guide the users through it when they reached out. So it's probably the best to reach the customer representatives and ask for assistance in such matters.

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