Topic: Enough to consider a casino scam? - page 24. (Read 3481 times)

Quote from: Newlifebtc on April 10, 2023, 05:33:36 PM

Requires the same old solution, always read the Terms and Conditions, this is the main mistake that almost everyone makes when trying to gamble on an online casino, read the terms and conditions, there is probably something you will come across that you won't like and this will safe you your time and some problems, however, if you have found yourself in this mess you have to comply with the rules to withdraw your money.

Actually it's all because gamblers are sometimes too lazy to read all the casino rules. When they get into trouble or accidentally violate casino rules, gamblers blame the casino.
This is a small mistake that gamblers make that can end up in a big problem.
As we often see in this forum there are tons of people who complain about scam casinos but when the casino representatives explain the complainants are against the casino rules.

Gamblers become too lazy to read the ToS because of their obsession to eagerly make profits. To avoid getting into trouble, make sure to understand well the terms and conditions in each gambling casino so that if there are instances like this, you will not resort into panicking and spread some lies that this certain casino is cheating and scamming.

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That has been the pattern of some personal platforms they does not ask for kyc verification but after sometime or after you have invested your money they begin to ask for kyc verification so I believe that he has been happening here before now so kyc has been what some casino platforms used to trap some people down

some of the platforms also demanded for kyc verification but some of the participant who patronize the platform does not want to follow the rules and the regulation or the platform sometimes you will not blame a casino platform that ordered all the participants to have their kyc before any other thing is there's one our selfishness that need us into any condition will find ourselves because of not doing a kyc

On the issue of Kyc, I personally prefer casinos that would straight away demand the user to pass kyc verification immediately after registering an account, that is, the user won't be allowed to deposit any money into the Casino unless he or she passes kyc verification, this make one gamble with peace of mind knowing that even if you win big amount of money, you won't be asked to verify your account before you can withdraw.
And have you ever noticed that most times, passing kyc verification at the beginning of account registration is easier, compared to when the casino forces you to do it before you can withdraw your money?

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That has been the pattern of some personal platforms they does not ask for kyc verification but after sometime or after you have invested your money they begin to ask for kyc verification so I believe that he has been happening here before now so kyc has been what some casino platforms used to trap some people down

some of the platforms also demanded for kyc verification but some of the participant who patronize the platform does not want to follow the rules and the regulation or the platform sometimes you will not blame a casino platform that ordered all the participants to have their kyc before any other thing is there's one our selfishness that need us into any condition will find ourselves because of not doing a kyc

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on April 10, 2023, 08:46:15 AM

Requires the same old solution, always read the Terms and Conditions, this is the main mistake that almost everyone makes when trying to gamble on an online casino, read the terms and conditions, there is probably something you will come across that you won't like and this will safe you your time and some problems, however, if you have found yourself in this mess you have to comply with the rules to withdraw your money.

ToCs are usually generic garbage that is often unlawful, i.e. casinos' would waive themselves of any responsibilities and restrict players' legal rights. And one of the standard practice is that almost all would grant themselves the right to change their ToCs at any time, meaning whatever you agreed in there, could turn meaningless.

Point is, ToCs do not supersede the law. From the legal point of view, the site is bound to comply with the laws of the jurisdictions they provide their services in. But in practice, if the site is registered in some exotic country, taking any legal action is virtually impossible.

True that it does not supersede the law but in times of dispute such as fund confiscation and account banning, a player won't have any say if the casino practiced what they have on their written terms and conditions. It is the agreement of the Casino and players and any action that breaks that is called a breach of contract and there is always legal action on that. It also gives the right to casinos to implement their agreed authority over the account and funds of players. If we have not missed the previous news, there is some cases where the company is favored as the owner of their customers' fund because these customers agreed on the terms presented by the company.

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i have encountered a similar problem like this once from my friend too. when he first registered his account, they didn't asked anything like personal information and such, but during the withdrawal once he won something big enough he was asked something like reverification. well, i don't know much but in his case he went through verification and successfully finished it and had his money given to him.

i think you should ask first why his verification wasn't accepted in the first place. if the system is giving you a hard time and you have sensed that they are only giving reasons just not to give you the prize then that's the time you will consider that as a scam. this is mostly the case in online casinos that aren't that popular, new, and some bad reviews. for them, the deposit is all they are aiming and best be careful once you are linking your personal details and your private accounts on this sites.

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I think many users completely missed the point, most of them discuss hidden KYC and disagree to submit KYC because it will ruin their privacy. Well, the @OP friend doesn't matter with the KYC and he already submit it, the question is the casino didn't accept his KYC, you can't expect this matter because it's not written anywhere. There's no mention the casino can reject the KYC due to poor resolution and they're no mention of how long the KYC process will take.

Hey mate I think you are right a lot of comments have been from a wrong perception of ops' point of view and questions, this is the reason why we are having this misunderstanding and from the look of things only those who actually read comments can discuss the question on the topic but then hey this is gambling board, sometimes anything goes on.

Ops have already messed up because he trust the casino blindly since he said he got attracted to the casino because of the bonuses, so I am sure he registered without reading the casino terms and conditions, this has been the machallengenges we have being facing in the cryptocurrency online gambling discussion because some player just clicks on accept without reading the terms and conditions of the site and after ward come off with a lot of accusations I am not saying that is what is happening in this thread but we have hard a lot of misleading information lately that have made us to conclude that any topic that does not include sufficient information and evidence should not be taken seriously.

So that has been our standard practice for quite a while now, and from the ops explanation, you can easily notice that he failed to follow the terms and conditions of the casinos but was attracted to the bonuses.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on April 10, 2023, 08:46:15 AM

[.....] There's no mention the casino can reject the KYC due to poor resolution and they're not mention how long the KYC process will take.

I agree on the point that we need more information on the casino's KYC poilicy so we could better help the OP. It's unfortunate that he only posted this topic and never replied to any comment.

It's probably common among those who submit information for KYC that their documentations are readable by any scanners. Casinos don't need to specifically mention that it should be of high resolution but it's not a bad idea to include that in the terms.

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I think many users are completely missed the point, most of them discuss about hidden KYC and disagree to submit KYC because it will ruin their privacy. Well, the @OP friend doesn't matter with the KYC and he already submit it, the question is the casino didn't accept his KYC, you can't expect this matter because it's not written in anywhere. There's no mention the casino can reject the KYC due to poor resolution and they're not mention how long the KYC process will take.

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Quote from: Botnake on April 09, 2023, 04:36:54 PM

Hi friends, I have some questions for you guys about online casinos

What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

I am trying to solve such an issue for someone very close to me and that the complaint he gave, I have no answer than maybe the bonus was canceled already before he made the deposit or there was a minimum deposit requirement.

Any other reasons?

Its common for us that once we see failures in casinos, we eventually call them as scammers without realizing that it is us who were not align with the rules or with terms of service that is presented to us before playing. Probably, your friend has not read and understand well the ToS of that casino so he was surprised when a sudden KYC is required. But whatever the reason why the casino has not approved his KYC, for sure the casino has seen an error on his documents passed. He must have reviewed it well before passing.

- It often happens that gamblers or players are too lazy to read the toss, so the result is always the fault of the complainant,
not the casino gambling platform itself.

As for the kyc, we know that it is only applicable to casinos that are regulated under the government of the country in which it is located. So we shouldn't be surprised by something like this even though they said no kyc but under the regulation there is a tendency to ask for kyc in the end when you reach the limits of their withdrawal amount.

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Quote from: JeffBrad12 on April 09, 2023, 06:42:54 PM

Requires the same old solution, always read the Terms and Conditions, this is the main mistake that almost everyone makes when trying to gamble on an online casino, read the terms and conditions, there is probably something you will come across that you won't like and this will safe you your time and some problems, however, if you have found yourself in this mess you have to comply with the rules to withdraw your money.

ToCs are usually generic garbage that is often unlawful, i.e. casinos' would waive themselves of any responsibilities and restrict players' legal rights. And one of the standard practice is that almost all would grant themselves the right to change their ToCs at any time, meaning whatever you agreed in there, could turn meaningless.

Point is, ToCs do not supersede the law. From the legal point of view, the site is bound to comply with the laws of the jurisdictions they provide their services in. But in practice, if the site is registered in some exotic country, taking any legal action is virtually impossible.

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Requires the same old solution, always read the Terms and Conditions, this is the main mistake that almost everyone makes when trying to gamble on an online casino, read the terms and conditions, there is probably something you will come across that you won't like and this will safe you your time and some problems, however, if you have found yourself in this mess you have to comply with the rules to withdraw your money.

People were missing to read TOS first before they wanna try to deal with the casino to withdraw his funds, this problems is always occurring to the anyone but the problem is why do people play without even seeing TOS that already written so well by the casino? it's easy to consider any casino as a scam if it is not the same like what we have expected it before. The problem is will be clear if OP was trying to get into he casino what he was talking about and then try to take SS to the TOS that already implemented to the its platform. he was helping his friend but it needs only one or two minutes to do that.

Any casino has their own rules and sometime they must have been compliance with the regulation. If these casino operated in the territorial where the KYC requirement is a must to avoid AML or something else used casino as a subject to the money laundry.
KYC is not something that sounds bad for me. It's also helping to verify the users too. We will never know the answer until OP will be explaining what he got after reading the TOS.

The biggest of all problems will always be the KYC, many will not agree even a little when it comes to establishing a casino as a trustworthy one, two types of problems always happen, the first problem is that whenever the The KYC process is usually somewhat annoying, and the second problem is that the verification of the documents sometimes lasts more than 3 days and that makes the person despair, and they think that it is a fraudulent casino or something, and finally it is that when it is considered that the KYC is already approved, the withdrawals are not available for X reason, that is when things are not right.

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its been 4 days since you brought this case here but never manage to return for update, is there any changes about the situation? or still waiting time ? and kindly drop the site here please? maybe we can give proper advise and bring our ideas if we knew which gambling site you are talking.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on April 09, 2023, 05:26:36 PM

Requires the same old solution, always read the Terms and Conditions, this is the main mistake that almost everyone makes when trying to gamble on an online casino, read the terms and conditions, there is probably something you will come across that you won't like and this will safe you your time and some problems, however, if you have found yourself in this mess you have to comply with the rules to withdraw your money.

People were missing to read TOS first before they wanna try to deal with the casino to withdraw his funds, this problems is always occurring to the anyone but the problem is why do people play without even seeing TOS that already written so well by the casino? it's easy to consider any casino as a scam if it is not the same like what we have expected it before. The problem is will be clear if OP was trying to get into he casino what he was talking about and then try to take SS to the TOS that already implemented to the its platform. he was helping his friend but it needs only one or two minutes to do that.

Any casino has their own rules and sometime they must have been compliance with the regulation. If these casino operated in the territorial where the KYC requirement is a must to avoid AML or something else used casino as a subject to the money laundry.
KYC is not something that sounds bad for me. It's also helping to verify the users too. We will never know the answer until OP will be explaining what he got after reading the TOS.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on April 09, 2023, 05:22:59 PM

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What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

Your friend should have read the casino's terms before signing up on their website. Even without reading the ToS (which isn't recommended), you should realize that any licensed business may ask for kyc at any time especially when a huge amount of money is involved, this became a common practice.
Regarding your second question, before calling them a scam you need to contact their support and ask why they rejected your documents.

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Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

Again, your friend should reach out to customer support to know why he wasn't eligible for the deposit bonus. Based on their answer you can conclude whether they are scammers or not.

you can't accuse the site as a scam one if you have no valid proof about such allegations. as you said, ask the site why such rejection? you need to look at this from the side of the site as well. the ToS is in place for everyone's consumption. they have ToS for no reason. it is the common basis if there will be problems arising from the casino.
now, if the excuse of the casino is not reasonable and out of context, then, that's the time that you can open a formal scam accusation thread so it will be resolve accordingly. people are gonna help you if the casino has their own thread in this forum and so with their rep.

A reputable casino will not make their gamblers life hard when they are asking for withdrawal since they want to give best experience by using their casino. But if they are shady one for sure they create some huge delays or to have reason to deny the request. For this a user should file a scam request to alert people about ongoing situation to save up other peoples money to get scam by them. A scam accusation is really the best way if all conditions has been meet but still no proper action conducted because this can create certain situation which those casino can't avoid to answer.

TOS is sometimes ignored by scam casino and they might just create situations just to try taint the user and accused them cheating so we need to be careful on that casinos.

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What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

Your friend should have read the casino's terms before signing up on their website. Even without reading the ToS (which isn't recommended), you should realize that any licensed business may ask for kyc at any time especially when a huge amount of money is involved, this became a common practice.
Regarding your second question, before calling them a scam you need to contact their support and ask why they rejected your documents.

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Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

Again, your friend should reach out to customer support to know why he wasn't eligible for the deposit bonus. Based on their answer you can conclude whether they are scammers or not.

you can't accuse the site as a scam one if you have no valid proof about such allegations. as you said, ask the site why such rejection? you need to look at this from the side of the site as well. the ToS is in place for everyone's consumption. they have ToS for no reason. it is the common basis if there will be problems arising from the casino.
now, if the excuse of the casino is not reasonable and out of context, then, that's the time that you can open a formal scam accusation thread so it will be resolve accordingly. people are gonna help you if the casino has their own thread in this forum and so with their rep.

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What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

Your friend should have read the casino's terms before signing up on their website. Even without reading the ToS (which isn't recommended), you should realize that any licensed business may ask for kyc at any time especially when a huge amount of money is involved, this became a common practice.
Regarding your second question, before calling them a scam you need to contact their support and ask why they rejected your documents.

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Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

Again, your friend should reach out to customer support to know why he wasn't eligible for the deposit bonus. Based on their answer you can conclude whether they are scammers or not.

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Hi friends, I have some questions for you guys about online casinos

What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

I am trying to solve such an issue for someone very close to me and that the complaint he gave, I have no answer than maybe the bonus was canceled already before he made the deposit or there was a minimum deposit requirement.

Any other reasons?

Its common for us that once we see failures in casinos, we eventually call them as scammers without realizing that it is us who were not align with the rules or with terms of service that is presented to us before playing. Probably, your friend has not read and understand well the ToS of that casino so he was surprised when a sudden KYC is required. But whatever the reason why the casino has not approved his KYC, for sure the casino has seen an error on his documents passed. He must have reviewed it well before passing.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on April 09, 2023, 03:58:27 PM

Requires the same old solution, always read the Terms and Conditions, this is the main mistake that almost everyone makes when trying to gamble on an online casino, read the terms and conditions, there is probably something you will come across that you won't like and this will safe you your time and some problems, however, if you have found yourself in this mess you have to comply with the rules to withdraw your money.

Actually it's all because gamblers are sometimes too lazy to read all the casino rules. When they get into trouble or accidentally violate casino rules, gamblers blame the casino.
This is a small mistake that gamblers make that can end up in a big problem.
As we often see in this forum there are tons of people who complain about scam casinos but when the casino representatives explain the complainants are against the casino rules.

A mistake that can cause a ban of an account is not a simple mistake but rather a major one. We should not ignore the terms of service because it is the document where the most important part of being a player is written. Rules and regulations of the company should be known beforehand even before registering on the site. Aside from that, often times it holds definitions of terminologies and explanations of all important facts need to be conveyed to the user. So as much as possible we should always read the terms and agreements impose on any gambling casino before depositing our funds. If that is not enough, we can always contact the support staff in order to verify and clear vague statements on the Terms and Agreement.

Requires the same old solution, always read the Terms and Conditions, this is the main mistake that almost everyone makes when trying to gamble on an online casino, read the terms and conditions, there is probably something you will come across that you won't like and this will safe you your time and some problems, however, if you have found yourself in this mess you have to comply with the rules to withdraw your money.

Actually it's all because gamblers are sometimes too lazy to read all the casino rules. When they get into trouble or accidentally violate casino rules, gamblers blame the casino.
This is a small mistake that gamblers make that can end up in a big problem.
As we often see in this forum there are tons of people who complain about scam casinos but when the casino representatives explain the complainants are against the casino rules.

it was like a habit of someone who trivialized the information in the first place. they skip the rules and regulations of the game at the casino when opening an account. and too hasty to make a deposit and play immediately.
after a few rounds and getting a win, they will immediately make a withdrawal. some are not allowed because they have not met the minimum bet. Then blame the casino. there are also those who make other casino rules mistakes.
The world may indeed be in a reading crisis. everyone wants fast and instant.

It isn't the minimum bet but the minimum wagering requirement in order to withdraw the amount that were deposited.

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