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Quote from: Desmong on April 17, 2023, 05:18:28 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on April 17, 2023, 04:25:08 PM

Quote from: Desmong on April 17, 2023, 12:23:28 PM

As op had stated submitted his KYC document and still the casino had not confirm it. He will need to wait for for more time for it to be confirmed than thinking that the casino is a scam. That is it the we can tell whether a casino is a scam or not. At least waiting for some time will be okay than thinking that they have taken all your money.

I think you have missed the point ops made in that write-up because he stated that he has passed the KYC but the casino refused to pass him by approving his withdrawal even though his KYC status shows successful, so this is an outright scam attempt from the casino in question since ops already passed the verification process because if any of his documents were not accepted by now the casino would have notified him to make possible modification to them.

Op need to write the terms and conditions of the casino again before accusing them of been a scam.
The problem is we don't even know how long op had waited for him to admit that then casino could be a scam without having enough patient before admitting that the casino is a scam.

Some people does not have a authentic evidence to show that a particular platform is running a scam platform in order to enrich their self like when you accuse someone of illegalities or criminality a must showcase your evidence to attest what you are present

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Quote from: Desmong on April 17, 2023, 05:18:28 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on April 17, 2023, 04:25:08 PM

Quote from: Desmong on April 17, 2023, 12:23:28 PM

As op had stated submitted his KYC document and still the casino had not confirm it. He will need to wait for for more time for it to be confirmed than thinking that the casino is a scam. That is it the we can tell whether a casino is a scam or not. At least waiting for some time will be okay than thinking that they have taken all your money.

I think you have missed the point ops made in that write-up because he stated that he has passed the KYC but the casino refused to pass him by approving his withdrawal even though his KYC status shows successful, so this is an outright scam attempt from the casino in question since ops already passed the verification process because if any of his documents were not accepted by now the casino would have notified him to make possible modification to them.

Op need to write the terms and conditions of the casino again before accusing them of been a scam.
The problem is we don't even know how long op had waited for him to admit that then casino could be a scam without having enough patient before admitting that the casino is a scam.

On the time that people have some locked up withdrawals or had been delayed then most likely you wouldnt really be having that long patience which is normal but on the time that you are aware on what you had violated
something specially on their terms and conditions but you do end up on accusing them and tell the public then you would definitely get bashed instead of getting sympathy.This is the importance on reading up on whatever terms that they do have so that you would really be making yourself that aware on what are the do's and dont's when you do play on a site and its not really that something that right on calling a
site a scam if you dont have some solid proofs or simply it was your fault in the first place.

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Quote from: Wiwo on April 17, 2023, 04:25:08 PM

Quote from: Desmong on April 17, 2023, 12:23:28 PM

As op had stated submitted his KYC document and still the casino had not confirm it. He will need to wait for for more time for it to be confirmed than thinking that the casino is a scam. That is it the we can tell whether a casino is a scam or not. At least waiting for some time will be okay than thinking that they have taken all your money.

I think you have missed the point ops made in that write-up because he stated that he has passed the KYC but the casino refused to pass him by approving his withdrawal even though his KYC status shows successful, so this is an outright scam attempt from the casino in question since ops already passed the verification process because if any of his documents were not accepted by now the casino would have notified him to make possible modification to them.

Op need to write the terms and conditions of the casino again before accusing them of been a scam.
The problem is we don't even know how long op had waited for him to admit that then casino could be a scam without having enough patient before admitting that the casino is a scam.

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Quote from: Desmong on April 17, 2023, 12:23:28 PM

As op had stated submitted his KYC document and still the casino had not confirm it. He will need to wait for for more time for it to be confirmed than thinking that the casino is a scam. That is it the we can tell whether a casino is a scam or not. At least waiting for some time will be okay than thinking that they have taken all your money.

I think you have missed the point ops made in that write-up because he stated that he has passed the KYC but the casino refused to pass him by approving his withdrawal even though his KYC status shows successful, so this is an outright scam attempt from the casino in question since ops already passed the verification process because if any of his documents were not accepted by now the casino would have notified him to make possible modification to them.

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Quote from: mak013 on April 13, 2023, 06:26:17 AM

About KYC. You need to read ToS. Usually the casino include KYC before withdraw in their ToS but until your withdrawals are small enough they can allow such withdrawals. If you withdraw such sum and there is KYC in ToS - you have to do it. You can try several times in different ways i think.
About bonuses. You need some information when you made this deposit and when the bonus program was stopped. And it can be some more restrictions for getting bonus, read attentively.

A KYC before withdrawing cannot really be considered in my view as a problem or an abusive condition, since it is pretty much a standard legal requirement. Now, to be fair, the site is playing the user in the sense that it is easy to send funds and then difficult to take back. Legally, the site is holding funds of unknown origin, so my guess is that they are at that moment doing something illegal.

I think that it would be honest to KYC before the deposit. Today it looks like that casino easily takes the gamblers money and when they have to give them back - gambler gets troubles. It is unfair for my opinion. Yes, gambler have to read ToS but if he has to KYC before deposit - he can make his decision about KYC and when he is asked KYC before withdrawal - he has no choice.

Some of scam casino trick is that they don't ask KYC once a gambler going to deposit but in the end of the day then a gambler want to withdraw his/her winning money they the casino is immediately ask for KYC and even though you already complete they will said that your account is suspicios. So for now as a gambler we need to double are security let's gamble on the nos reputable and trusted casino. So that we found fall into a trap.

Some of the cases that have occurred have made valuable experiences for myself, like now I only gamble at reputable casinos on this forum, although sometimes they ask me to do KYC before depositing, I will do it so that when I withdraw funds, I am not asked for KYC again and the casino will not be able to say as you say.
Gambling at a trusted casino is a way to avoid these fraudulent tricks.

You are wise, unlike many that would be avoiding KYC and will be swindled by those fraudulent casinos. Come to think of it, which reputable casino on this forum doesn't ask for KYC? No serious casino will not be registered and be under regulator(s), and these are the reason why they must be thorough in protecting their reputation and try to be fair with their customers.

I make sure that I do my KYC immediately after I register in casinos. This is even before I make my first deposit to have rest of mind and avoid later issues.

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Quote from: Desmong on April 17, 2023, 12:23:28 PM

As op had stated submitted his KYC document and still the casino had not confirm it. He will need to wait for for more time for it to be confirmed than thinking that the casino is a scam. That is it the we can tell whether a casino is a scam or not. At least waiting for some time will be okay than thinking that they have taken all your money.

OP does not seem to be interested too much in his own topic. It's been ten days, over 200 replies and he didn't post anything here since nor has given any update.
So I wouldn't worry too much about the whole scam or not-scam thing, as the whole story is probably just a product of OP's imagination with the purpose of sparking the discussion.

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As op had stated submitted his KYC document and still the casino had not confirm it. He will need to wait for for more time for it to be confirmed than thinking that the casino is a scam. That is it the we can tell whether a casino is a scam or not. At least waiting for some time will be okay than thinking that they have taken all your money.

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Quote from: Odusko on April 14, 2023, 02:39:58 PM

Quote from: noorman0 on April 14, 2023, 10:40:04 AM

$8k is probably enough value to trigger additional verification requests for casinos in general. With a case like the OP described, I can consider them a scam or a bad system because it's not a good way to cancel winnings by making verification difficult. Usually, the casino has a technical reason if the winnings have the right to cancel them.

That is the terms of many casinos who doesn't require KYC at the point of registration, they have it mentioned in their terms and conditions that any withdrawal of above $5k may require the user to pass through kyc to enable the withdrawal.
But also now the case with the ops is that he passed the KYC process but the casino refused his withdrawal.

OP didn't mention anywhere that they or their friend has passed KYC and then the casino refused to pay them, but they said that the casino asked for KYC, they provided the necessary documents and the details asked for and the casino failed the KYC for some reason, that, in my opinion, isn't an element of a scam casino and is something normal.

Any user submitting fake or maybe unclear documents or unmatchable personal details will fail KYC at their first attempt and will probably need to submit more clear documents with details matching with the information provided on the documents.

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Quote from: peter0425 on April 16, 2023, 08:23:24 PM

Quote from: gunhell16 on April 13, 2023, 04:42:30 AM

OP, it's been about a week since you made this topic about your friend's problem. How are you? resolved?

we are all looking about what happened in this case . because this is interesting issue to learn

It is 10 days now since OP created this thread but he did not give any update or even a reply. I'm not really sure if what he said in this thread is a real case or just an unreal story to make a discussion about such case. If it is a real case, it would be nice if OP can give more details about the issue especially for the most important thing one such as the name of the casino. If the casino is a well known enough or maybe has an active representative in this forum, then maybe the casino can clarify about the issue.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 07, 2023, 09:38:54 AM

What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

As you say if the site doesn't have any rules on their site asking for kyc if someone wins $8k then that site is considered a scam. But if it is within their rules then they cannot be blamed for it in any way. But I don't think any trusted and reputable casino site will treat you unfairly. So always try to use trusted sites.

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Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

If a site advertises itself as offering a specific bonus for the 1st deposit then they must pay it when someone makes the first deposit. but in this case they will keep both the principal amount and the bonus amount frozen and have a wagering requirement of a certain amount. and the user will not be allowed to withdraw the funds until he fulfills the wagering. but they cannot skip the bonus sharing.

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I am trying to solve such an issue for someone very close to me and that the complaint he gave, I have no answer than maybe the bonus was canceled already before he made the deposit or there was a minimum deposit requirement.
Any other reasons?

Maybe something like you said could happen. but then again it could be that the site has cheated your friend. You have not shared the link of that site here so I am still confused as to what exactly happened to your friend

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Quote from: Shamm on April 15, 2023, 11:32:32 AM

Quote from: mak013 on April 15, 2023, 11:27:49 AM

I think that it would be honest to KYC before the deposit. Today it looks like that casino easily takes the gamblers money and when they have to give them back - gambler gets troubles. It is unfair for my opinion. Yes, gambler have to read ToS but if he has to KYC before deposit - he can make his decision about KYC and when he is asked KYC before withdrawal - he has no choice.

Some of scam casino trick is that they don't ask KYC once a gambler going to deposit but in the end of the day then a gambler want to withdraw his/her winning money they the casino is immediately ask for KYC and even though you already complete they will said that your account is suspicios. So for now as a gambler we need to double are security let's gamble on the nos reputable and trusted casino. So that we found fall into a trap.

Yes, i saw several times such situation. And the gambler can`t KYC even if he makes all that casino asks. But even in good casino i think that it can become a surprise in the moment when you need your money fast.

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Quote from: mak013 on April 15, 2023, 11:27:49 AM

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The issue of KYC has become a big issue in cryptocurrencies gambling sites, this is because most of those who use online casino most especially cryptocurrencies casinos are privacy-oriented and at that, they're always looking for platforms that give them an over-centralization, but due to regulations e even online casino have become centralized where by they demand for KYC is embedded in their terms of service.
But for online casinos to gain players sometimes they avoid the demand for KYC in a certain amount but and unless the players display a suspicious act they may be asked for KYC at whatever time, but for casinos who say their 100% off KYC don't have any business to ask players to get verified that is not done any were and that act is a scam since it is not in your T%C and at that, the casino does not have any right to ask for it.

Yep. they attract gamblers and there is such moment in their ToS, but it is unfair, and can become a surprise in the moment when you can`t KYC fast.

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Quote from: mak013 on April 15, 2023, 11:27:49 AM

I think that it would be honest to KYC before the deposit. Today it looks like that casino easily takes the gamblers money and when they have to give them back - gambler gets troubles. It is unfair for my opinion. Yes, gambler have to read ToS but if he has to KYC before deposit - he can make his decision about KYC and when he is asked KYC before withdrawal - he has no choice.

While that would be for the best for most gamblers out there, I doubt this will ever be implemented by a high number of casinos, and this is because if gamblers had to pick between a casino which asked them to identify themselves before they even make a deposit and a casino which asks for this information when they attempt their first withdrawal, they will always pick the latter, and this is because many gamblers do not read the TOS and the latter casino seems to give the impression of being more lenient when it comes to those policies, even if this is not the case, but gamblers will only find out about this once they attempt their first withdrawal.

Yes, lots of members here said about it - it isn`t interesting to casino. Fair casinos losing an opportunity to attract gamblers, cheat casino - losing money from the gamblers.

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Quote from: mak013 on April 15, 2023, 11:27:49 AM

I think that it would be honest to KYC before the deposit. Today it looks like that casino easily takes the gamblers money and when they have to give them back - gambler gets troubles. It is unfair for my opinion. Yes, gambler have to read ToS but if he has to KYC before deposit - he can make his decision about KYC and when he is asked KYC before withdrawal - he has no choice.

If you read in the terms of use that the casino may ask you to verify your identity, then you should assume that they will do so and you should be prepared for that possibility. If you do not mind verifying your identity, it is best to do it immediately after opening your account and before making any deposit. This way, you will ensure that you will not face any problems in the future such as getting your identity documents rejected or find out that you are from a restricted country when you make a withdrawal request and they ask you to complete kyc.

Yes, it can become a solution but few times i couldn`t find verification in my profile. May be it was my mistake, may be it was cheat casino, but it is possible situation, that you`ll be asked KYC in the worst moment.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on April 13, 2023, 04:42:30 AM

OP, it's been about a week since you made this topic about your friend's problem. How are you? resolved?

we are all looking about what happened in this case . because this is interesting issue to learn

Quote from: noorman0 on April 14, 2023, 10:40:04 AM

$8k is probably enough value to trigger additional verification requests for casinos in general. With a case like the OP described, I can consider them a scam or a bad system because it's not a good way to cancel winnings by making verification difficult. Usually the casino has a technical reason if the winnings have the right to cancel them.

but the interesting part here ? OP just created this thread and never return Grin

no wonder if he is still reading the comment and advice here or just leave it like that.

we are talking about 8k here and that is a good amount to be claimed , wanting to know what had happened so we can verify and give warning to other players , OP please indicate which site is this please and update us for some reason.thanks.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on April 16, 2023, 04:15:11 PM

Most casinos are not implementing it right away because it somehow scare away these players.
Also, even if the casino is requiring kyc, some are only requiring it at bigger deposits or withdrawals.
Most licensed casinos have kyc requirements in their ToS, so players should be aware of such requirements.
If they see that kyc is needed, expect that they will ask this at anytime they deem necessary.
So they need to make sure they are entering right info so they won't face any trouble later on.

Casinos ask for KYC when there is a large deposit or withdrawal as a precaution and anticipate money laundering because so far several casinos have had to deal with law enforcement because of money laundering in the casino.
Besides that, casinos enforce KYC because of the license used by the casino so inevitably, customers without exception must be willing to provide KYC when using the casino.
Even though there are several trusted non-KYC casinos, it seems that if we compare it to casinos with KYC, there are actually bigger customers at casinos with KYC, even though most gamblers don't like KYC.
From this I conclude that gamblers who refuse or say they don't like KYC they still provide KYC so they can play in one of the biggest casinos in existence.

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Quote from: mak013 on April 15, 2023, 11:27:49 AM

I think that it would be honest to KYC before the deposit. Today it looks like that casino easily takes the gamblers money and when they have to give them back - gambler gets troubles. It is unfair for my opinion. Yes, gambler have to read ToS but if he has to KYC before deposit - he can make his decision about KYC and when he is asked KYC before withdrawal - he has no choice.

If you read in the terms of use that the casino may ask you to verify your identity, then you should assume that they will do so and you should be prepared for that possibility. If you do not mind verifying your identity, it is best to do it immediately after opening your account and before making any deposit. This way, you will ensure that you will not face any problems in the future such as getting your identity documents rejected or find out that you are from a restricted country when you make a withdrawal request and they ask you to complete kyc.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 07, 2023, 09:38:54 AM

Hi friends, I have some questions for you guys about online casinos
What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

If the casino site wants to ask for kyc after winning 8,000$ or a certain amount then it must be written in advance in their rules. But if they don't include it in their rules but they do then it can be called a scam. and if someone gives correct information but because of winning big amount they are not approved by kyc then it can also be termed as a kind of fraud.

In order for a site to offer a deposit bonus they must offer it they can't avoid it in any way after someone has made a deposit. If so, it can still be called a scam

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Quote from: TimeTeller on April 16, 2023, 04:15:11 PM

Most casinos are not implementing it right away because it somehow scare away these players.

This is unfair for the player, if they tend to implement KYC, they must implement it right away and not trap players into thinking that KYC isn't mandatory. We have seen lots of Casino that do not ask KYC on registration and deposit but the moment the player asked for a withdrawal, they will then implement KYC for the transaction to process.

Quote from: TimeTeller on April 16, 2023, 04:15:11 PM

Also, even if the casino is requiring kyc, some are only requiring it at bigger deposits or withdrawals.

I am ok with this, at least they give players a chance to think and consider whether they will deposit a huge amount or not.

Quote from: TimeTeller on April 16, 2023, 04:15:11 PM

Most licensed casinos have kyc requirements in their ToS, so players should be aware of such requirements.

True but often times the delay of implementation of KYC often traps players. As I stated, if the casino requires KYC for withdrawal, they should have required it on the deposit so that players are not trap of the casino scheme.

Quote from: TimeTeller on April 16, 2023, 04:15:11 PM

If they see that kyc is needed, expect that they will ask this at anytime they deem necessary.
So they need to make sure they are entering right info so they won't face any trouble later on.

True, I think the best thing to do is be ready to submit KYC when playing in a licensed casino.

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Quote from: South Park on April 16, 2023, 01:57:51 PM

Quote from: mak013 on April 15, 2023, 11:27:49 AM

I think that it would be honest to KYC before the deposit. Today it looks like that casino easily takes the gamblers money and when they have to give them back - gambler gets troubles. It is unfair for my opinion. Yes, gambler have to read ToS but if he has to KYC before deposit - he can make his decision about KYC and when he is asked KYC before withdrawal - he has no choice.

While that would be for the best for most gamblers out there, I doubt this will ever be implemented by a high number of casinos, and this is because if gamblers had to pick between a casino which asked them to identify themselves before they even make a deposit and a casino which asks for this information when they attempt their first withdrawal, they will always pick the latter, and this is because many gamblers do not read the TOS and the latter casino seems to give the impression of being more lenient when it comes to those policies, even if this is not the case, but gamblers will only find out about this once they attempt their first withdrawal.

Most casinos are not implementing it right away because it somehow scare away these players.
Also, even if the casino is requiring kyc, some are only requiring it at bigger deposits or withdrawals.
Most licensed casinos have kyc requirements in their ToS, so players should be aware of such requirements.
If they see that kyc is needed, expect that they will ask this at anytime they deem necessary.
So they need to make sure they are entering right info so they won't face any trouble later on.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 07, 2023, 09:38:54 AM

Hi friends, I have some questions for you guys about online casinos

What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

I am trying to solve such an issue for someone very close to me and that the complaint he gave, I have no answer than maybe the bonus was canceled already before he made the deposit or there was a minimum deposit requirement.

Any other reasons?

I guess the only reason why your friend is in trouble simply because he fail to read and understand the ToS of the casino he plays in. As much as KYC is concern, it’s already a proven fact that majority of the casinos nowadays are actually requiring it, unless if you play on unregistered casinos. And probably, if he already submit his KYC and still not approved, then he should review it again as he might miss some important details. If the casino keeps turning down his KYC, then most likely the problem is in the casino and not on the gambler itself. He should read the casino reviews first before he decide to gamble in it.

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Quote from: klidex on April 15, 2023, 12:11:25 PM

Some of the cases that have occurred have made valuable experiences for myself, like now I only gamble at reputable casinos on this forum, although sometimes they ask me to do KYC before depositing, I will do it so that when I withdraw funds, I am not asked for KYC again and the casino will not be able to say as you say.
Gambling at a trusted casino is a way to avoid these fraudulent tricks.

Many worst experiences of scam casino impacts have been explained in some previous threads, we have to prioritize top casino choices in the forum over other casinos not guaranteed safe for withdrawals, some of their tricks make withdrawals difficult by asking for KYC but the casino team didn't receive the document because they didn't allow active withdraw button. The top casinos on the forum are verified and trusted based on the reviews of the gambler community, so keep voting on the forum casino list circles for trusted casino status and fair play.

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Quote from: mak013 on April 15, 2023, 11:27:49 AM

I think that it would be honest to KYC before the deposit. Today it looks like that casino easily takes the gamblers money and when they have to give them back - gambler gets troubles. It is unfair for my opinion. Yes, gambler have to read ToS but if he has to KYC before deposit - he can make his decision about KYC and when he is asked KYC before withdrawal - he has no choice.

While that would be for the best for most gamblers out there, I doubt this will ever be implemented by a high number of casinos, and this is because if gamblers had to pick between a casino which asked them to identify themselves before they even make a deposit and a casino which asks for this information when they attempt their first withdrawal, they will always pick the latter, and this is because many gamblers do not read the TOS and the latter casino seems to give the impression of being more lenient when it comes to those policies, even if this is not the case, but gamblers will only find out about this once they attempt their first withdrawal.

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