Topic: Eredivisie 23/24 - discussion thread - page 36. (Read 15982 times)

I don't know if you've already seen it, but today I saw that the schedule of this season's games was already available at stake, and I confess that I'm a little shocked by the odds, for example, Ajax will play against Heracles Almelo, the odds are at @1.16 in case ajax wins the game, honestly I see it being a very low odd and it looks like ajax will be very strong this season, I would even accept an odd of @1.60 but for some reason the bookmakers are putting ajax as the overwhelming favourite, another game that I also found strange at odds is Feyenoord's game against Fortuna Sittard, Fortuna Sittard is at odds of @14.00 while Feyenoord is at odds of @1.16 despite Feyenoord being a strong team that won the league last season

this being the first match of the league I expected that at least the odds for this and other games of the big teams would be above @1.50 but from what I see the bookmakers are very convinced that the big teams won't have difficulties in winning the games , but it seems that in the case of PSV Eindhoven
bookmakers predict a complicated scenario for PSV Eindhoven who are being seen as the favorites but the odd is at @1.29 something that I believe will increase and their opponent FC Utrecht is at odds of @8.80

the games will start on the 11th of this month, but I am already starting my analysis to bet, for now I see PSV, Feyenoord and ajax as the teams that I will place in my multibet bet, in the case of PSV I will have to be more careful and if I see that the odd has gone up a lot and there is some bad news, I will not put it in my multibet bet

Ah I see, of course that is one of the best examples I think for clubs raising young talents, RedBull Salzburg and RedBull Leipzig and they also have RedBull Brasil and RedBull Bragantino and New York RedBulls. I think that comes closer to a serious talent raising industry, but they are doing a good job and understand the timings for their players as far as I can remember. Their decisions to transfer between their franchises have been well considered in the cases I know.

But I would not call Ajax Amsterdam a training club. I get your point and understand what you are saying, but they are a bit in between being a pure training club and also (because they are doing it so well) a club with justified high ambitions sometimes, depending on how well their team is composed not only of young talents, but of players who are ahead of the age-performance curve.

I really like to watch Ajax when they have a competitive team full of these 18 and 19 and 20 years old players who show the old hands from the world class clubs what's up! I think that is motivating and commendable for all the young kids who are dreaming high. 

European elite clubs keep placing propose bids for Ajax shining players. Ajax is widely acknowledged for their domination in the Dutch league, and the team has talented players who work hard to grab the attention of their fans and the club; they're constantly two steps ahead of their opponents. The Godenzonen are enthusiastic to part with their best players, lowering the team's performance slightly. Ajax is similar to Borussia Dortmund in that they keep their finest players on the market every transfer window because they are entirely focused on profit.

Yes, the problem with RedBUll teams its maybe a little more complicated, because you are part of a unit of business, so you cant not give the players to another RB bigger brother.

I think Ajax can make a good top team, if they find some players who want to not follow salary, a combination between young stars of the club and some old players.

Yes, exactly, they are already (unfortunately) only a training club and have to give away their best players as long as they still have sufficient contracts, if the young players do not extend their contracts with the training club, they go free after that time. It's the same here in Austria with RedBull Salzburg, where there is still the possibility to go to Leipzig and play in the German Bundesliga/Champions League, but even there they can't keep the players longer.

We'll see how Ajax digest the upheaval after this year and whether they are strong enough to play for the Europa League and Eredivisie titles.

This is what they are used to and what they have perfected over many years. They are one of the few clubs that are essentially known for raising younger players and high potential talents and then sell them, but not because they want to sell them, but because they have to.

But I still like to follow the Eredivisie as they do have exciting games and it becomes more interesting when one of their top clubs also stands up in the Champions League and causes some of the favorites some serious problems. They should never be underestimated although I do expect them to be not as strong this season. Hopefully I'll be wrong and they can do some honor to their names.

The departures of players and coaches was just too much for Ajax last year and they couldn't stabilise, but I think Ajax will manage and build a new team again, but I don't think it will be enough for more than 5 years.


On Edwin, first of all, didn't he resign on 1 June?

Van der Sar wirft bei Ajax hin

Secondly, Edwin's life was recently (2 weeks) in danger (brain haemorrhage), but he is now back in hospital in Holland and out of danger.

Aufatmen! Edwin van der Sar außer Lebensgefahr

@Koal-84 i think they'll even be dominant for more than 5 years a estimated by you and continue to produce quality players because they've got a good scouting network, and an academy that promotes young and talented prospects also a chief executive officer in person of Edwin Van Der Sar who was a former player for the club before he moved to Manchester united and returned to the club, for the past years they've been dominant in the league and challenged for the champions severally and produced a very tough squad with young and talented players that challenged in the 2018/19 champion league tournament and reached the semifinals again after 1997 when they beat Madrid.

 But the best Ajax team is the 1995 squad that had 48 match unbeaten run, in both league matches and European competitions, they it would take a while to replicate such squad again that would be very competitive in the Champions League title well,  we'll know with time, but I think they'll face a competition this season with their rival like PSV and Feyenoord now very tough and competitive as them in the recent times

I would agree that Ajax has always been the dominant team in the Dutch league, but in my opinion Ajax also laid the dominant foundation with its "miracle team" in 1995. With the Champions League win and the money available, the academy was created and Ajax always needed talents and then sold them for a profit.

Due to the financially stronger leagues in England, Spain and Germany, it was unfortunately almost impossible to keep a team together to win the Champions League again, but that's the way it is. I think Ajax will again play a dominant role in the Dutch league for the next 5 years.

not sure about Vitesse, but Groningen has a solid fan base, maybe not that large, but passionate

AFAIK, Feyenoord and Ajax have much larger fan base compared to PSV, but that is also subjective
although fan base doesn't make a team good, some teams are full of money, no fan base and still within top each year
AZ also does not have large fan base, as far as I know, but that doesn't make them bad team

Ajax were known to be the dominant club in the Dutch League over the years but Feyenoord has recently shown that the Dutch League isn't a one club show and that's a good advertisement of the league to the rest of the world.
Ajax main problem is how to keep their best players at the club for a longer time because they're always priced away from them by the big European heavyweights who are more financially capacitated than Ajax. Many European clubs are currently offering great deals to sign Kudus away from the club this summer

I dont live on Netherlands so i dont know really how big are really the teams, im talking about history and fans ammounts, and im refering to pure fans, the ones from the city of the club not foreigns who comes to see the game for hype.

I think Groningen and Vitesse have a very big base of fans, can anyone confirm?

This is right about Twente and Alkmaar, but for them it is more like very good episodes within their club history than it is standard to be competing for titles. That's when it is about Ajax and PSV mostly during recent years, but yes Ajax is also struggling every year when they have to release their best players and then try to find new ones, those not yet publicly noticed diamonds that they can then turn into stars. It is a policy that can be painful for a club because every single time they have formed a strong team, it is only a question of time when that team will fall apart again. But there isn't much that Ajax can do about it. The Eredivsie is not the league that players want to spend their career and it can't afford the money that other leagues pay either.

The fact that Ligue 1 was dethroned looks funny to me because not like eredevise has a team like PSG to be fair, and the fact that one team could keep them higher may sound like a bad one but that is the reality I believe that they are doing fine and should be considering this as an option.

I think Feyenoord took advantage of a situation, Ajax had a great team and a manager that allowed them to be better than anyone else, and in a span of 2 seasons they lost both their good players and also their manager at the same time, which made them bad and not like Ajax is the type of club that would spend all that money to get new stars, they are spending it on young guys to grow and they will once again be better eventually.

PSV will take on Austrian club Sturm Graz in the third round of Champions League qualifying. Sturm Graz had a very good season last year and were hot on the heels of perennial winners Red Bull Salzburg, but it wasn't enough, so I don't think PSV should underestimate them in the qualifying round.

Auf diesen Gegner trifft Sturm Graz in der 3. CL-Quali-Runde

The other draws for the Europa League and Conference Leagues will start soon.

Arne Slot succeeded in making Feyenoord a strong team even as a result of Feyenoord's success, Ligue 1 ^{(France League)} was eliminated from the 5 major world leagues and moved by the Eredivise league, currently ranked 5th ^{(because no team from Ligue 1 has managed to progress further in UCL and UEL)}

no drastic changes have occurred to the Feyenoord squad and also the management is quite stable so that the chance for Feyenoord to return to becoming the Eredivisie champion next season is quite large, Feyenoord's achievements last season were extraordinary, they were almost perfect.

Bring back Twente asap

In the late 2000 and earlies 2010 Twente was allways fighting for top positions, and i think AZ almark its more in the line of Twente than the top class of Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord.

We are gonna thinks this happen only in this league, but no, in all the leagues its the same.

Eredivisie is dominated by Ajax, PSV Eindhoven, AZ Alkmaar and Feyenoord. These teams are alway in top positions and it depends from the performance of each team in each season to know the winner which is mostly Ajax Amsterdam. This team is a mine of players, they don't keep them once they found a good buyer in order to get money. Many of their players are young and many sold especially last season so it is normal to see them losing the title.

I was looking for the results of some of the last seasons and it is indeed true that Feyenoord became the champions in 22/23 with 82 points because Ajax and PSV did not perform very well. I found that 82 points would not have been enough to become the champions back to the season 16/17 and a fun fact is that it was also with a champion who got 82 points and now guess who that champion was it was Feyenoord. The Eredivisie is mostly about Ajax playing a perfect season or not. If they do it's mostly only PSV who can go the same level, but I think that Ajax isn't as strong as they have been three or four years ago.

Whether Feyenoord can have another season like that is questionable, but why not? As I've mentioned many times before, I don't think Feyenoord was that strong and unbeatable, but PSV and Ajax were simply worse than the last few years, but let's see how the three teams start the new season. But the good thing is, the last years the champion was mostly Ajax and now and then PSV, is good and more interesting.