Topic: Eredivisie 23/24 - discussion thread - page 38. (Read 16280 times)

This is right about Twente and Alkmaar, but for them it is more like very good episodes within their club history than it is standard to be competing for titles. That's when it is about Ajax and PSV mostly during recent years, but yes Ajax is also struggling every year when they have to release their best players and then try to find new ones, those not yet publicly noticed diamonds that they can then turn into stars. It is a policy that can be painful for a club because every single time they have formed a strong team, it is only a question of time when that team will fall apart again. But there isn't much that Ajax can do about it. The Eredivsie is not the league that players want to spend their career and it can't afford the money that other leagues pay either.

The fact that Ligue 1 was dethroned looks funny to me because not like eredevise has a team like PSG to be fair, and the fact that one team could keep them higher may sound like a bad one but that is the reality I believe that they are doing fine and should be considering this as an option.

I think Feyenoord took advantage of a situation, Ajax had a great team and a manager that allowed them to be better than anyone else, and in a span of 2 seasons they lost both their good players and also their manager at the same time, which made them bad and not like Ajax is the type of club that would spend all that money to get new stars, they are spending it on young guys to grow and they will once again be better eventually.

PSV will take on Austrian club Sturm Graz in the third round of Champions League qualifying. Sturm Graz had a very good season last year and were hot on the heels of perennial winners Red Bull Salzburg, but it wasn't enough, so I don't think PSV should underestimate them in the qualifying round.

Auf diesen Gegner trifft Sturm Graz in der 3. CL-Quali-Runde

The other draws for the Europa League and Conference Leagues will start soon.

Arne Slot succeeded in making Feyenoord a strong team even as a result of Feyenoord's success, Ligue 1 ^{(France League)} was eliminated from the 5 major world leagues and moved by the Eredivise league, currently ranked 5th ^{(because no team from Ligue 1 has managed to progress further in UCL and UEL)}

no drastic changes have occurred to the Feyenoord squad and also the management is quite stable so that the chance for Feyenoord to return to becoming the Eredivisie champion next season is quite large, Feyenoord's achievements last season were extraordinary, they were almost perfect.

Bring back Twente asap

In the late 2000 and earlies 2010 Twente was allways fighting for top positions, and i think AZ almark its more in the line of Twente than the top class of Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord.

We are gonna thinks this happen only in this league, but no, in all the leagues its the same.

Eredivisie is dominated by Ajax, PSV Eindhoven, AZ Alkmaar and Feyenoord. These teams are alway in top positions and it depends from the performance of each team in each season to know the winner which is mostly Ajax Amsterdam. This team is a mine of players, they don't keep them once they found a good buyer in order to get money. Many of their players are young and many sold especially last season so it is normal to see them losing the title.

I was looking for the results of some of the last seasons and it is indeed true that Feyenoord became the champions in 22/23 with 82 points because Ajax and PSV did not perform very well. I found that 82 points would not have been enough to become the champions back to the season 16/17 and a fun fact is that it was also with a champion who got 82 points and now guess who that champion was it was Feyenoord. The Eredivisie is mostly about Ajax playing a perfect season or not. If they do it's mostly only PSV who can go the same level, but I think that Ajax isn't as strong as they have been three or four years ago.

Whether Feyenoord can have another season like that is questionable, but why not? As I've mentioned many times before, I don't think Feyenoord was that strong and unbeatable, but PSV and Ajax were simply worse than the last few years, but let's see how the three teams start the new season. But the good thing is, the last years the champion was mostly Ajax and now and then PSV, is good and more interesting.

I really dont see Feyenoord maintaning the level, more thinking about they are gonna play Champions League and for me they lack that form necesary to be a good contender to reach at least UEL or 16 teams round.

PSV its a group of good players but they dont have any real connection.

If ajax find their path they are gonna win the league again.

There have been a lot of changes at Ajax now, I'm curious to see how they start the new season, is there a list somewhere of the arrivals and departures at Ajax?



Feyenoord played an outstanding season and at the same time Ajax and PSV were below their potential, whether Feyenoord can recover from this outstanding season will be exciting. If PSV and Ajax play consistently like the last 5 seasons before, it will be very difficult for Feyenoord again.

Not to forget Ajax should have enough money to make up for the deficits better than the competition.

Ajax's dominance in the Eredivisie didn't continue by last season indeed. I see two reasons that should have some affect on this:

1. After parting ways with Erik ten Hag they couldn't find the right manager for themselves.
2. They have changed their players from the 2021/2022 season quite much and didn't have the same chemistry.

Maurice Steijn is the new manager the deal is interestingly for 3 years. He hasn't worked with big teams like Ajax but his whole career has been in Netherlands so far. Maybe he would be the one to make the players pull themselves together and fight for the league title this season.

there is no doubt that last season Feyenoord and PSV were better than ajax, but this season that is about to start what will make things change would be if ajax made big changes in the positive sense that consists of hiring a good coach and good players, so until now I've only seen the following reinforcements that will arrive at Ajax, which are: Benjamin Tahirovic (Central Midfielder) who came from AS Roma, Branco van den Boomen
(Central Midfielder) who came from Toulouse, Naci Ünüvar (I think he was on loan at Twente and now he's returning to Ajax, correct me if I'm misunderstood), only played 8 games and scored only 1 goal, Youri Baas , Amourricho van Axel Dongen ( comes from ajax B ), in 14 games he only scored 2 goals

if I'm not wrong, Naci Ünüvar and Amourricho van Axel Dongen are forwards and it seems to me that ajax intends to use them probably as substitutes and ajax didn't spend a lot of money on new signings, but let out some players like Jurrien Timber which was sold to arsenal for 40 million dollars, but other than that I didn't see ajax making much money from player sales. yesterday there was a friendly game between ajax and shakhtar donetsk, it was a game in which ajax won and scored 3 goals and didn't concede a single goal, it even looked like the old ajax, maybe that combination of Davy Klaassen, Benjamin Tahirović, Branco van den Boomen as 3 midfielders and with Mohammed Kudus, Christian Rasmussen and Steven Bergwijn as 3 strikers could be a good combination for the team to score many goals.

Well i dont follow so much this league but i dont rememb er Ajax having two consecutive bad leagues, so i think they are gonna comeback this season. Also they need that because you lose important money if you fail to reach Champions League, Europa League still good money if you reach final phases of the tournament but its not the same, as status and money.

And for last i dont see Feyenoord or PSV having the force to start an "era" , last time Feyenoord went champion at the next leagues they dont make so well.

agree, Ajax in good form should be a title contender in Europa league, question is will they find their form
many departures so far, Tadic included, while there is no significant signings

will be interesting to see next season, Ajax starts against Heracles on 12.08., still enough time to prepare

You are right, if Inter Milan had won the Champions League they would be in pot 1 in the group stage draw, a good overview is given by Bert Kassies. Also PSV is in the seedings in the CL-Q3nc: 3rd Qualifying Round for Non-Champions

Seeding in the Champions League 2023/2024

So Ajax is also lucky as PSV finished second and won the cup, Ajax can start in the Europa League play-off as seeded, if Ajax find their form again, they are definitely a candidate to win the Europa League i think.

Seeding in the Europa League 2023/2024

Feyenoord will also be very happy that Manchester City won the CL final, because for that reason Feyenoord has now been placed in the CL draw and they are just like that in tube 1 in the CL draw. And I think they will also be title contenders for the title in the Netherlands next year. Can't quite place why Maurice Steijn has been appointed as trainer. It seems like they are trying everything with a new trainer, isn't a club like Ajax too big and too good for that? It could well be that this will be another disappointment, with tens of millions in damage possible.

I doubt this
Ajax is a big team, and 3rd position is as low as it gets for them, cannot imagine them being 4th, or to put it other way, I cannot see who can come above them with PSV and Feyenoord
can't see consecutive title for Feyenoord as well

with all this in mind, and maybe better odds when season starts, due to lack of good moves from their staff, maybe Ajax outright will be a good choice next season, depend on odds

it seems to me that ajax is aimless, in recent times they have been doing shocking things, especially in this matter of coach, looking at the Eredivisie, in which in the last season ajax was very weak, even to beat some opponents considered weak was something difficult for them, and feyenoord and PSV and AZ and twente have improved a lot, especially Feyenoord and PSV to the point that ajax is not a match for these two teams, when you saw all the bad performance of ajax last season I expected that there would be big changes in ajax, something like bringing in a great coach

to put ajax competing with PSV and Feyenoord so that ajax could conquer the Eredivisie, but to my surprise ajax was putting another coach without great achievements, I don't know what kind of experiment ajax is trying to do, I don't know if the ajax is going through financial problems, but one thing is clear to me that next season ajax will not win the Eredivisie the way they are, so we will see this coach being fired and another one will take his place and even then it will be too much trouble , at the end of the season ajax will be in 3 or 4 position

Yes but i dont have the inside info from netherland press, i think Heitinga was more like a Lampard for Chelsea in this last time, he comes to take the place until the club has the time to hire a new manager for the long run, obviusly like ever if he make a very solid run maybe he can continue but seems like not.

I don't know if changing manager very often is good for any team. I'm saying this for Ajax here for example. After Erik ten Hag we have seen 2 more managers in a really short time period. Heitinga's contract is also coming to an end and he is about to be replaced with a new manager. Because he was just expected to manage the team as good as possible until the end of the season from January.

The new manager Maurice Steijn has only one achievement which is a second tier championship with VVV-Venlo. It is a mystery whether he can bring this team closer to Erik ten Hag's times for now. Ajax aren't like Dortmund as they are used to becoming Eredivisie champions quite often. Therefore I think they should be even more careful with their management decisions.