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Quote from: el kaka22 on January 27, 2023, 04:02:09 PM

It's a damn shame that Ajax failed to win even this game, which was totally within scope of them winning and they were really on the way to get an easy win against a team that shouldn't have been a problem for them at all. To consider that they have gotten yet another tie, means that there is something wrong with the team that is beyond just the roster and the manager.

Maybe it is a bit of psychological reasons behind it, maybe the team doesn't feel the confidence they used to feel and they do not want to lose games but they do not feel like they could become a great team neither, and that causes them to feel more at ease with a tie, and work harder when behind, but not work hard to win it.

Has a new coach been appointed immediately
The coach who took over Erik Ten has been sacked and removed
It's not even a year self, he had a bad game during the Champions League group stage

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Quote from: LTU_btc on January 28, 2023, 05:05:25 PM

AZ - Utrecht, best game of the season without any doubts. And maybe best in recent few seasons. It ended 5:5, and no, it's not typing mistake. Already in the first half score was 3:3 when AZ made comeback from loosing 0:2 to leading 3:2 and then after few minutes it was 3:3. What is more unbeleavable that in both teams Greek players made a hattrick. It's Douvikas from Utrcht and Pavidis from AZ. Both teams simply forgot what is defense, just 1 yellow card tells a lot about it.
PSV didn't had big troubles against G.A. Eagles. Tomorrow we have Twente - Feyenoord and Ajax will go Rotterdam where they will face Excelsior and will try to win finally. They will be managed by interim coach.

Wow!! Truly a game worth watching. The goals in the game is really something someone hasnt seen for some time now in the eredivise. "forget what is defense" well if you put it that way because they truly went out all offensive which resulted to the goal fest in the game. For Ajax i don't really know whats the problem with them, since the resumption from the world cup they have struggled to win match. Three draws in their last three which is very poor coming from the likes of Ajax.

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AZ - Utrecht, best game of the season without any doubts. And maybe best in recent few seasons. It ended 5:5, and no, it's not typing mistake. Already in the first half score was 3:3 when AZ made comeback from loosing 0:2 to leading 3:2 and then after few minutes it was 3:3. What is more unbeleavable that in both teams Greek players made a hattrick. It's Douvikas from Utrcht and Pavidis from AZ. Both teams simply forgot what is defense, just 1 yellow card tells a lot about it.
PSV didn't had big troubles against G.A. Eagles. Tomorrow we have Twente - Feyenoord and Ajax will go Rotterdam where they will face Excelsior and will try to win finally. They will be managed by interim coach.

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Quote from: wiss19 on January 28, 2023, 04:38:02 PM

Today we have an early game between PSV vs G. A. Eagles which won by home team PSV easily with the margin of 2 - 0 now with this win they are at the third spot and things looking better for them because now with this performance they can stay here for some more weeks even still need good improvement for having better results.

Right now, we have another exciting match which is playing between AZ Alkmaar vs Utrecht after the end of the first half both teams are having good results score is 3 - 3 which is clearly showing how aggressive game is going and now if AZ Alkmaar won this game they could be at the top of the league table with 42 points and tomorrow we have another challenging game which is going to play between current leaders Twente vs Feyenoord this will decide that can Feyenoord can stay at the top, or they will also drop in future because right now things are wide open for the title.

PSV with another casual win at home and are keeping up pretty well and now are third on the table with small difference. While AZ Allkmar playing one of the best matches of the season with a current result of 5-5 with so many turnovers and still not finished

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Today we have an early game between PSV vs G. A. Eagles which won by home team PSV easily with the margin of 2 - 0 now with this win they are at the third spot and things looking better for them because now with this performance they can stay here for some more weeks even still need good improvement for having better results.

Right now, we have another exciting match which is playing between AZ Alkmaar vs Utrecht after the end of the first half both teams are having good results score is 3 - 3 which is clearly showing how aggressive game is going and now if AZ Alkmaar won this game they could be at the top of the league table with 42 points and tomorrow we have another challenging game which is going to play between current leaders Twente vs Feyenoord this will decide that can Feyenoord can stay at the top, or they will also drop in future because right now things are wide open for the title.

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Quote from: casperBGD on January 27, 2023, 07:35:49 AM

IMO, Feyenoord is not stable enough to win title in the end, although I would like to see them on top

I don't think so, so far Feyenoord is the most stable team, which team do you think will win the championship in the end?

PSV and Ajax are just too weak at the moment to make up the points, in any case it will be very difficult for both teams.

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Feyenoord is currently better than Ajax and PSV. But Feyenoord will still have a considerably heavy program in the coming weeks. Presumably there will be some kind of decision for the championship. Ajax still lives on that they drew at Feyenoord, but they should have lost to Twente the week before. And PSV won 2-0 against Go Ahead, which means nothing at all, after all, that is not a serious showdown. Mutual confrontations will follow in the coming weeks, then certain teams will be eliminated for the championship. Feyenoord has played excellent football since the arrival of Slot and has also achieved international successes by reaching the final of the Conference league. It would be nice for this club if they could be active in the CL again. That's what they're entitled to right now.

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Quote from: casperBGD on January 27, 2023, 07:35:49 AM

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I normally have odds on my horizon but now I realise why I haven't seen Ajax, they must no longer be huge favourites.

actually, I planned to put something on Ajax, but it was still @1.22 on them to win in 55 minute (and then conceived and seemed that they will not recover)
but, on the other hand, they had some 90% possession and 16/6 shots, while Volendam had wish to pass on Ajax half and nothing more than that, and they finished with 31 shot on goal

IMO, Feyenoord is not stable enough to win title in the end, although I would like to see them on top

Yeah, Dirk Kuyt captain days of strength and consistency long gone, but I definitely am enjoying Ajax's crappiness. My closest friends here (they're not that close but it's as good as it gets) are semi-Feyenoord supporters, but we can definitely agree we all want Ajax to be miserable.

Problem now is they acted swiftly and have a new guy in place. That can result in them climbing back up the table and those already at the top are, as you say, unreliable.

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I also don't think that we should write off Ajax for the league title just yet. I agree upon a fact that the point difference between the leader and Ajax has reached seven points and it is quite big. But we are literally in the middle of the season now and this gap isn't impossible to close. It is all about consistency above all else. I'm aware of another thing of course that Ajax have been very inconsistent for so many weeks. But this should end at a point hopefully. Ajax aren't a team that would give up on the title that easy.

It is true that Ajax have lost some important players but they have filled their places with really good players also. Maybe it is some kind of a chemistry problem but Ajax can still do better. The Excelsior game must end by a Ajax win above all else.

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PSV is currently leading 1-0 in a home match against Go Ahead Eagles. A lot has been written and said about Schreuder from Ajax in recent months, but the pressure on van Nistelrooij must also be unprecedentedly high. PSV is in a deep hole, perhaps the longest of the club's last 20 years. Perhaps he will be fired soon. Not qualified for the CL, competition is disappointing and the 1-0 does not offer much perspective for a good score. They are unlucky that Gakpo and Madueke have been bought away, but as a club you have to be able to absorb that and deal with it well.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on January 27, 2023, 04:02:09 PM

It's a damn shame that Ajax failed to win even this game....

the most unbelievable part is that the odd for ajax to win this game was @ 1.05, honestly it was an odd that was basically considering ajax as the undisputed winner in this game, maybe nobody expected that jax could draw in this game, I particularly stopped to place bets on ajax games

ajax has not been able to score many goals, they have great difficulties in scoring at least 2 goals and they also have a defense that is very bad, they have constantly conceded goals, maybe it is really time for the ajax board to start taking the problem seriously of this team because the way it is they are headed for the abyss

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Quote from: casperBGD on January 27, 2023, 07:35:49 AM

IMO, Feyenoord is not stable enough to win title in the end, although I would like to see them on top

So, which team would you back now? IMO, none of teams from leading group aren't looking very stable. Maybe AZ have best results recently, but I still wouldn't count on them in the long run. This round Feyenoord will have another big test, this time they will face Twente away.
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still think that PSV or Ajax will won the championship
and closer to think that Ajax will do it, despite current draw strike, Feyenoord can easily go several matches without a win, and they will probably do that sooner than later, all that Ajax needs is to stay in the loop within this distance and connect wins in a row (and they certainly can do that), and everything is back to "normal" for them

as you said it, Feyenoord is facing Twente tomorrow, and that is a chance for all competitors, in case they fail to win

Ajax is terrible this season,i think they wont even be in the champions league next season if they continue like this. For me the main favorite is PSV they are looking the best so far. But Feyenord is good aswell and i think anything can happen,its pretty and even race so far.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on January 27, 2023, 06:52:48 PM

Quote from: casperBGD on January 27, 2023, 07:35:49 AM

IMO, Feyenoord is not stable enough to win title in the end, although I would like to see them on top

So, which team would you back now? IMO, none of teams from leading group aren't looking very stable. Maybe AZ have best results recently, but I still wouldn't count on them in the long run. This round Feyenoord will have another big test, this time they will face Twente away.
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still think that PSV or Ajax will won the championship
and closer to think that Ajax will do it, despite current draw strike, Feyenoord can easily go several matches without a win, and they will probably do that sooner than later, all that Ajax needs is to stay in the loop within this distance and connect wins in a row (and they certainly can do that), and everything is back to "normal" for them

as you said it, Feyenoord is facing Twente tomorrow, and that is a chance for all competitors, in case they fail to win

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on January 27, 2023, 02:58:10 PM

Can we now write off Ajax for the title? Probably. They are a mountain of points behind Feyenoord, but not only Feyenoord is the problem. Twente, AZ, and PSV all also have a chance of winning the championship. It is close to each other, and Ajax is only falling further and further in the ranking. I don't see them getting any closer either. Schreuder was fired yesterday, maybe that will work liberating for once and that players can play the way they want. These players wouldn't need a coach at all to win in matches against Volendam, would they? And Ajax was even 0-1 behind until the 80th minute. However, a draw also felt like a defeat for the Ansterdam team. Maybe they should bring back Peter Bosz.

I don't think we can write them off for the title race right now as they still have chance and time with the sack of Schreuder things could be changed, and we will have improvement in players performance and mindset as well because Schreuder were not the right man for this job and players were also not comfortable which was creating problems for them club, and they were unable to win any game from their last seven games and now having seven points gape from leaders Feyenoord and five points gape from second spotted AZ Alkmaar which is achievable.

Now in rough 19th, they are going to visit for the match against another weaker side at Van Donge & De Roo Stadion as Excelsior is their opponent, and they have to do better performance for having better results in coming weeks and better end of this season as well.

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Quote from: casperBGD on January 27, 2023, 07:35:49 AM

IMO, Feyenoord is not stable enough to win title in the end, although I would like to see them on top

So, which team would you back now? IMO, none of teams from leading group aren't looking very stable. Maybe AZ have best results recently, but I still wouldn't count on them in the long run. This round Feyenoord will have another big test, this time they will face Twente away.

Quote from: Joca97 on January 26, 2023, 05:37:55 PM

They sold all their top players and didnt bring any big signings and it now has an effect on the result.

That's common reality for Ajax that after good season they have to say goodbye to their best players. I wouldn't say that they haven't done anything in transfer market, they rarely bring big names to the team and it's very difficult to replace players that left club. And coach, after Ten Haag left, appointing Schreuder was questionable choice initially. Now they sacked him, interesting wh will become new coach and will he manage to save season somehwo.

For them its common to sell their best players but they always produce new players in their youth academy that make an impact but this season they are really bad and this didnt happen for many seasons. They always buy new players or produce to be really good. But this season i dont think they will fight for the title at all.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on January 27, 2023, 04:02:09 PM

It's a damn shame that Ajax failed to win even this game, which was totally within scope of them winning and they were really on the way to get an easy win against a team that shouldn't have been a problem for them at all. To consider that they have gotten yet another tie, means that there is something wrong with the team that is beyond just the roster and the manager.

Maybe it is a bit of psychological reasons behind it, maybe the team doesn't feel the confidence they used to feel and they do not want to lose games but they do not feel like they could become a great team neither, and that causes them to feel more at ease with a tie, and work harder when behind, but not work hard to win it.

This is really hard to believe, even though they really dominated the match, even seeing their statistics, they controlled 84% of ball possession but had to draw with only 2 shots and 1 on target which Volendam could convert into goals.
This is clearly a huge disadvantage regardless and this is their 5th straight draw in the last 5 matches they have run. This is really bad.

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Quote from: casperBGD on January 27, 2023, 07:35:49 AM

IMO, Feyenoord is not stable enough to win title in the end, although I would like to see them on top

So, which team would you back now? IMO, none of teams from leading group aren't looking very stable. Maybe AZ have best results recently, but I still wouldn't count on them in the long run. This round Feyenoord will have another big test, this time they will face Twente away.

Quote from: Joca97 on January 26, 2023, 05:37:55 PM

They sold all their top players and didnt bring any big signings and it now has an effect on the result.

That's common reality for Ajax that after good season they have to say goodbye to their best players. I wouldn't say that they haven't done anything in transfer market, they rarely bring big names to the team and it's very difficult to replace players that left club. And coach, after Ten Haag left, appointing Schreuder was questionable choice initially. Now they sacked him, interesting wh will become new coach and will he manage to save season somehwo.

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It's a damn shame that Ajax failed to win even this game, which was totally within scope of them winning and they were really on the way to get an easy win against a team that shouldn't have been a problem for them at all. To consider that they have gotten yet another tie, means that there is something wrong with the team that is beyond just the roster and the manager.

Maybe it is a bit of psychological reasons behind it, maybe the team doesn't feel the confidence they used to feel and they do not want to lose games but they do not feel like they could become a great team neither, and that causes them to feel more at ease with a tie, and work harder when behind, but not work hard to win it.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on January 27, 2023, 02:58:10 PM

Can we now write off Ajax for the title? Probably. They are a mountain of points behind Feyenoord, but not only Feyenoord is the problem. Twente, AZ, and PSV all also have a chance of winning the championship. It is close to each other, and Ajax is only falling further and further in the ranking. I don't see them getting any closer either. Schreuder was fired yesterday, maybe that will work liberating for once and that players can play the way they want. These players wouldn't need a coach at all to win in matches against Volendam, would they? And Ajax was even 0-1 behind until the 80th minute. However, a draw also felt like a defeat for the Ansterdam team. Maybe they should bring back Peter Bosz.

In any case, Bosz has quite a bit of experience and also varying successes. But every coach has varying degrees of success. You cannot appoint a coach based on that. I think that nowadays a coach has to be able to deal well with players, that was Schreuder's big problem. Blind has therefore also left Ajax. Ajax's title chances have decreased sharply. I also did not expect Groningen to be at the very bottom. But after 3 games that can also look completely different. The level is close together. Only Feyenoord, Twente and AZ are playing the best football at the moment.

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Can we now write off Ajax for the title? Probably. They are a mountain of points behind Feyenoord, but not only Feyenoord is the problem. Twente, AZ, and PSV all also have a chance of winning the championship. It is close to each other, and Ajax is only falling further and further in the ranking. I don't see them getting any closer either. Schreuder was fired yesterday, maybe that will work liberating for once and that players can play the way they want. These players wouldn't need a coach at all to win in matches against Volendam, would they? And Ajax was even 0-1 behind until the 80th minute. However, a draw also felt like a defeat for the Ansterdam team. Maybe they should bring back Peter Bosz.

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