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Quote from: arallmuus on July 10, 2023, 03:47:19 PM

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As of now, it seems that no team can stop them. But if there will be some changes to the meta and some updates that won't be favorable to their gameplay then that could be their biggest enemy

People have been saying this ever since GG won the 1st Major and look at them now, new patches were released and the whole team just update their gameplay to suit the new patch so unless there is a Major update before TI which I believe there wont be then there is no stopping to GG domination. Pretty sure they are going to be atleast top 2 in TI for sure

GG is really dominant in this patch and there's no doubt about that. Seleri is really great in counter picks and makes sure that they utilize their offlane really well in the early to mid game. They never pick an offlane that is solely for shoving lanes at early game. They also make sure that it can possibly join a team fight early on. What also impresses me about this team is how flexible Quinn can be. This guy used to be a farm-only core role but now he makes sure that their dyrachyo gets something in the map if his farm is lagging behind. Definitely a strong contender in TI if they continue playing the way they do right now.

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Quote from: passwordnow on July 10, 2023, 12:17:04 PM

As of now, it seems that no team can stop them. But if there will be some changes to the meta and some updates that won't be favorable to their gameplay then that could be their biggest enemy

People have been saying this ever since GG won the 1st Major and look at them now, new patches were released and the whole team just update their gameplay to suit the new patch so unless there is a Major update before TI which I believe there wont be then there is no stopping to GG domination. Pretty sure they are going to be atleast top 2 in TI for sure

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 09, 2023, 04:07:57 PM

If they kick Pure it also means BetBoom is out of TI direct invitations. Although there is a chance that Valve who's yet to make an official announcement will deduct points on BetBoom because they continued the tournament with a stand-in.

That's what is about to happen but I think they're just waiting for the decision of Valve. So if Valve says nothing then they're all still gonna get in. But the bad on this one is that Bali major is a DPC point tournament and a major and that's why Valve's involvement is there.

Quote from: inthelongrun on July 09, 2023, 04:07:57 PM

I just hope Pure won't get a ban even this season because I like a complete BetBoom this coming TI. And hopefully the US will give Pure a visa too if he stays with BetBoom.

No doubt that BetBoom is one of the contenders but what he did was a bannable offense so, just expect for the worst.

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Quote from: passwordnow on July 10, 2023, 12:17:04 PM

As of now, it seems that no team can stop them. But if there will be some changes to the meta and some updates that won't be favorable to their gameplay then that could be their biggest enemy. And, I don't think that no matter what the changes will be, there's still gonna be a lot of studies they'll make on new patches and they'd be able to dominate again. This can last up to TI and it's possible that they'll get the title for this year.
We shall see if they won't choke by that time.

Betboom manage to sweep them during group stage of Bali Major and on other major tournament which both team face against each other. GG is good against WEU division team since they are already familiar on these team strategy. I think Betboom has a chance to bring down GG on a finals match when they full roster since they are already on the sycn to each to other with this new roster.

Team Liquid is proven that they can't beat GG on their many majors finals match.

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Quote from: Trofo on July 10, 2023, 01:15:55 AM

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Quote from: boltz on July 09, 2023, 01:05:04 PM

So back to back to back for Gaiming Gladiators eh ? the last time a team dominated like this they ended up winning TI as well and those were WINGS. I remember that era of WINGS because they simply unstoppable and they were doing almost zero mistakes during draft time but also game time. Now it seems GG are chasing the exact thing and if somehow they win TI , I think 90% of Dota 2 pro teams should rethink how they approach this game because its clearly that GG is playing Dota 2.5 at this time with no real rival to stop them Shocked

GG is playing on a different level. All of the teammates are clicking on their roles but before anything else, congratulations to them. They've been the kings of this season and hopefully, this continues up to TI to make it look easy. But with what I am thinking right now, Valve will do something before the TI and they'll probably nerf and buff here and there. And that potential big patch could also affect to them but we shall see that as they've always been adjusting in many ways.

GG does not always start the tournament in a best way but they sure know how to finish it. This domination is going longer and longer, isn't there anyone that can stop them? I really thought they will not win this tournament but they proved me wrong once again.

As of now, it seems that no team can stop them. But if there will be some changes to the meta and some updates that won't be favorable to their gameplay then that could be their biggest enemy. And, I don't think that no matter what the changes will be, there's still gonna be a lot of studies they'll make on new patches and they'd be able to dominate again. This can last up to TI and it's possible that they'll get the title for this year.
We shall see if they won't choke by that time.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 09, 2023, 04:07:57 PM

If they kick Pure it also means BetBoom is out of TI direct invitations. Although there is a chance that Valve who's yet to make an official announcement will deduct points on BetBoom because they continued the tournament with a stand-in. I just hope Pure won't get a ban even this season because I like a complete BetBoom this coming TI. And hopefully the US will give Pure a visa too if he stays with BetBoom.

I do not know if they will have deductions when they got Reso as subs in their match. They did not get any DPC points in the last Major so there is nothing to deduct from. I am not sure about the rules, but I do not think that it is retroactive. It will not affect the DPC points they earned from previous tournaments. It was announced in the stream during the Bali Major that they qualified for a direct invite for this year's TI, so I am guessing it is a lock for them. I do not think that the host will announce that they qualify if there is still a chance that Valve will deduct points from them. At least they will put an asterisk on it or say something that is not final or to that effect.

Visa problem is for later. It is not just their problem but all other teams not from USA. I think we will have a lot of visa problems since TI will be held in Seattle, Washington. But you are right, hope we see a complete BetBoom team on TI so we get a better chance to see other teams in the Finals, not just Liquid and GG. I think 3 Major Finals with the same team is enough for me. I want to see the other teams in the Finals for now.

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npl who left NaVi transferred to B8 team which has another ukrainian roster.B8 team is a good team and let's say that they were in the last major.I think that they are not successful only because they are inexperienced and inexperienced.They are all young and talented players after all.They will benefit from the experience and experience that npl has seen in the big team, albeit a little.
Fluxo was another team that changed 3 players.felps,wood7 and history were replaced by zevy,pkl and t9rnay.I can say that it is better because I think zevy and t9rnay will provide better performance in terms of performance.

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Quote from: passwordnow on July 09, 2023, 03:34:47 PM

Quote from: boltz on July 09, 2023, 01:05:04 PM

So back to back to back for Gaiming Gladiators eh ? the last time a team dominated like this they ended up winning TI as well and those were WINGS. I remember that era of WINGS because they simply unstoppable and they were doing almost zero mistakes during draft time but also game time. Now it seems GG are chasing the exact thing and if somehow they win TI , I think 90% of Dota 2 pro teams should rethink how they approach this game because its clearly that GG is playing Dota 2.5 at this time with no real rival to stop them Shocked

GG is playing on a different level. All of the teammates are clicking on their roles but before anything else, congratulations to them. They've been the kings of this season and hopefully, this continues up to TI to make it look easy. But with what I am thinking right now, Valve will do something before the TI and they'll probably nerf and buff here and there. And that potential big patch could also affect to them but we shall see that as they've always been adjusting in many ways.

GG does not always start the tournament in a best way but they sure know how to finish it. This domination is going longer and longer, isn't there anyone that can stop them? I really thought they will not win this tournament but they proved me wrong once again.

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Quote from: jakelyson on July 09, 2023, 03:50:00 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on July 09, 2023, 01:40:39 PM

The only team that currently stand a chance to win against GG is actually Betboom with their original roster which include Pure but Im pretty sure they will kick Pure out after the incident so yeah there we have it, GG is going to win the TI for sure

They secured a spot, so they might not replace him. It will be hard for Betboom to adjust this close to TI. If they find a replacement, they might not have a good rapport with the rest of the team which could lead to a very poor performance. And the only tournament they could test his replacement would be in Riyadh which is already starting a week from now. Pure may be stupid but he is their best bet going into TI.

It's pretty sad what happened on BetBoom. They just started to build a bigger momentum which is also very crucial at this stage while TI is happening in the next few months. They even beat GG 2-0 in their latest series during the group stage in Bali. So definitely it is BetBoom that has the real potential of ending GG's dominance.

If they kick Pure it also means BetBoom is out of TI direct invitations. Although there is a chance that Valve who's yet to make an official announcement will deduct points on BetBoom because they continued the tournament with a stand-in. I just hope Pure won't get a ban even this season because I like a complete BetBoom this coming TI. And hopefully the US will give Pure a visa too if he stays with BetBoom.

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Quote from: dimonstration on July 09, 2023, 01:15:08 PM

Fun fact: They keep defeating Team Liquid on all of their Major Tournament wins in the finals. Cheesy

Team Liquid just cannot figure out how to beat GG on the main stage. They can win during the group stage but cannot win on the Grand Finals against them. They faced each other in this year's Majors finals 3 times and Team Liquid only manage to get 2 maps against GG. The event got swept in Lima Major. Team Liquid must be salty now that they lost 3 times in a row against GG. They still have a chance to return the favor in TI. I hope they do because it is the ultimate comeback, winning TI is the only thing that matters in DOTA. All these Major wins mean nothing if you can't win TI.

Quote from: arallmuus on July 09, 2023, 01:40:39 PM

The only team that currently stand a chance to win against GG is actually Betboom with their original roster which include Pure but Im pretty sure they will kick Pure out after the incident so yeah there we have it, GG is going to win the TI for sure

They secured a spot, so they might not replace him. It will be hard for Betboom to adjust this close to TI. If they find a replacement, they might not have a good rapport with the rest of the team which could lead to a very poor performance. And the only tournament they could test his replacement would be in Riyadh which is already starting a week from now. Pure may be stupid but he is their best bet going into TI.

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Quote from: boltz on July 09, 2023, 01:05:04 PM

So back to back to back for Gaiming Gladiators eh ? the last time a team dominated like this they ended up winning TI as well and those were WINGS. I remember that era of WINGS because they simply unstoppable and they were doing almost zero mistakes during draft time but also game time. Now it seems GG are chasing the exact thing and if somehow they win TI , I think 90% of Dota 2 pro teams should rethink how they approach this game because its clearly that GG is playing Dota 2.5 at this time with no real rival to stop them Shocked

GG is playing on a different level. All of the teammates are clicking on their roles but before anything else, congratulations to them. They've been the kings of this season and hopefully, this continues up to TI to make it look easy. But with what I am thinking right now, Valve will do something before the TI and they'll probably nerf and buff here and there. And that potential big patch could also affect to them but we shall see that as they've always been adjusting in many ways.

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Quote from: ralle14 on July 08, 2023, 10:48:54 PM

Hopefully, they get the final invite because i'd rather see them over Execration as they're the more competitive team.

Yeah and even without Pure, they are still far better team compared to the other teams below their current DPC points.

Quote from: GreatArkansas on July 09, 2023, 09:40:21 AM

We already saw the effect when RESOLUTION became a standin' player in the Bali Major, they lost the series.

You cant be serious about this. You are comparing Resolution that have only be their standin for less than 24 hours prior to the announcement that they are going to the lower bracket to Pure that has been playing alongside the teams for months

Quote from: dimonstration on July 09, 2023, 01:15:08 PM

Fun fact: They keep defeating Team Liquid on all of their Major Tournament wins in the finals. Cheesy

The only team that currently stand a chance to win against GG is actually Betboom with their original roster which include Pure but Im pretty sure they will kick Pure out after the incident so yeah there we have it, GG is going to win the TI for sure

Abit bored after the grandfinal so I decided to bet on this SA game. Low odds higher stake, fingers crossed

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Quote from: boltz on July 09, 2023, 01:05:04 PM

So back to back to back for Gaiming Gladiators eh ? the last time a team dominated like this they ended up winning TI as well and those were WINGS. I remember that era of WINGS because they simply unstoppable and they were doing almost zero mistakes during draft time but also game time. Now it seems GG are chasing the exact thing and if somehow they win TI , I think 90% of Dota 2 pro teams should rethink how they approach this game because its clearly that GG is playing Dota 2.5 at this time with no real rival to stop them Shocked

OG manage to do this kind of Major Streak during their 2016 roster but they failed to win the TI that time. I think OG keeps dominating Majors tournament from 2015 to 2017 that time without winning any single TI until the Roster with Ana & Topson which they aren't winning Majors but keep winning TI. Yeah only Wings manage to have a flawless game on their era and no team repeat that kind of run until now.

I thought GG will choke on the DreamLeague tournament but they manage to bounce back and win the tournament which is a proof that they are not a choker team.

Fun fact: They keep defeating Team Liquid on all of their Major Tournament wins in the finals. Cheesy

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on July 09, 2023, 09:40:21 AM

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The appropriate punishment would be to ban Pure from joining any official tournament in the future, this is his 2nd time doing something stupid in an official tournament

That ban is what could potentially happen after the major pushing BetBoom out of the last TI invite and it's why nothing is guaranteed for now until we see Valve officially announce the invited teams. Hopefully, they get the final invite because i'd rather see them over Execration as they're the more competitive team.

I think Betboom can still manage to go on TI even without direct invite because they are the only strong team available on EEU since 9panda and Team Spirit already secured their spot. Their problem is when Pure get banned since it's very hard to make an adjustment if Pos1 is the one being replaced.
(....)

Without Pure on their roster, it's not good. We already saw the effect when RESOLUTION became a standin' player in the Bali Major, they lost the series. The chemistry on the team is nothing if they are not complete, that's how they play, they already build relationship to each other while playing, and they already know each other.

But still, TI is 2 or 3 months away. They can still find someone who can fill the role and do some scrims or random games with that guy to get something going for the team. If anyone is to be blamed, it is Pure for doing all the bs and disrespect in official Valve tournaments. BetBoom wouldn't be in a position they are in right now if only Pure didn't do his antics, first at the start of the Ukraine invasion, and second the stream sniping during an official game.

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So back to back to back for Gaiming Gladiators eh ? the last time a team dominated like this they ended up winning TI as well and those were WINGS. I remember that era of WINGS because they simply unstoppable and they were doing almost zero mistakes during draft time but also game time. Now it seems GG are chasing the exact thing and if somehow they win TI , I think 90% of Dota 2 pro teams should rethink how they approach this game because its clearly that GG is playing Dota 2.5 at this time with no real rival to stop them Shocked

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Quote from: dimonstration on July 09, 2023, 09:34:33 AM

I'm not updated on what's gonna happened but is there still a way for Exe to get some dpc points? Riyadh Master is the only tournament available which doesn't include DPC points to the winner. Am I missing something?

They already secured their spot since the teams that can potentially get their spot that time is Aster and Quest(that needs to go on grand finals) that both fall short on the tournament. Valve doesn’t officially announce it yet but Betboom is already get that last spot based on the total DPC points accumulated. Execration was eliminated at the group stage that makes them not qualified anymore even the time Betboom disqualified.

FYI, Pure is just pos 3 and not pos 1

Thanks for the explanation and correction. I thought Pure was Position 1 since I’m always reading his name on comment. I still doesn’t watch fight of Betboom with their new roster though.

I become confused about the discussion above on the possbility of Exe to get the last spot on TI for direct invite since I thought that Betboom will have some sort of penalty that will decrease their DPC points due to Pure violation. Good to know that their ban is only for the Majors.

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Quote from: dimonstration on July 09, 2023, 09:34:33 AM

I'm not updated on what's gonna happened but is there still a way for Exe to get some dpc points? Riyadh Master is the only tournament available which doesn't include DPC points to the winner. Am I missing something?

They already secured their spot since the teams that can potentially get their spot that time is Aster and Quest(that needs to go on grand finals) that both fall short on the tournament. Valve doesn’t officially announce it yet but Betboom is already get that last spot based on the total DPC points accumulated. Execration was eliminated at the group stage that makes them not qualified anymore even the time Betboom disqualified.

FYI, Pure is just pos 3 and not pos 1

Quote from: GreatArkansas on July 09, 2023, 09:40:21 AM

Quote from: dimonstration on July 09, 2023, 09:34:33 AM

I think Betboom can still manage to go on TI even without direct invite because they are the only strong team available on EEU since 9panda and Team Spirit already secured their spot. Their problem is when Pure get banned since it's very hard to make an adjustment if Pos1 is the one being replaced.
(....)

Without Pure on their roster, it's not good. We already saw the effect when RESOLUTION became a standin' player in the Bali Major, they lost the series. The chemistry on the team is nothing if they are not complete, that's how they play, they already build relationship to each other while playing, and they already know each other.

Luckily, The ban is only limited on Bali Major and not on the TI. Betboom can still participate on TI with Pure on the line-up. I believe the Bali Major ban is enough punishment since they almost got robbed with their TI spot after Pure ban since they losed their secure DPC point after beating Tundra that time while Quest is having a good run that time which endanger their TI spot.

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Quote from: dimonstration on July 09, 2023, 09:34:33 AM

Quote from: ralle14 on July 08, 2023, 10:48:54 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on July 08, 2023, 06:19:42 PM

The appropriate punishment would be to ban Pure from joining any official tournament in the future, this is his 2nd time doing something stupid in an official tournament

That ban is what could potentially happen after the major pushing BetBoom out of the last TI invite and it's why nothing is guaranteed for now until we see Valve officially announce the invited teams. Hopefully, they get the final invite because i'd rather see them over Execration as they're the more competitive team.

I think Betboom can still manage to go on TI even without direct invite because they are the only strong team available on EEU since 9panda and Team Spirit already secured their spot. Their problem is when Pure get banned since it's very hard to make an adjustment if Pos1 is the one being replaced.
(....)

Without Pure on their roster, it's not good. We already saw the effect when RESOLUTION became a standin' player in the Bali Major, they lost the series. The chemistry on the team is nothing if they are not complete, that's how they play, they already build relationship to each other while playing, and they already know each other.

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Quote from: ralle14 on July 08, 2023, 10:48:54 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on July 08, 2023, 06:19:42 PM

The appropriate punishment would be to ban Pure from joining any official tournament in the future, this is his 2nd time doing something stupid in an official tournament

That ban is what could potentially happen after the major pushing BetBoom out of the last TI invite and it's why nothing is guaranteed for now until we see Valve officially announce the invited teams. Hopefully, they get the final invite because i'd rather see them over Execration as they're the more competitive team.

I think Betboom can still manage to go on TI even without direct invite because they are the only strong team available on EEU since 9panda and Team Spirit already secured their spot. Their problem is when Pure get banned since it's very hard to make an adjustment if Pos1 is the one being replaced.

I'm not updated on what's gonna happened but is there still a way for Exe to get some dpc points? Riyadh Master is the only tournament available which doesn't include DPC points to the winner. Am I missing something?

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Endpoint managed to fill the place of Fessor and mhL who left the team.Endpoint, who transferred both AZUWU and sl3nd, seems to have replaced their outgoing players with these transfers.Both players are young and talented players.
NEKIZ joined the 00Nation team.Such a transfer instead of TACO will increase the power of the 00Nation team.TACO was inadequate and this was very obvious in the game.Now, if we look at it in terms of firepower, we can say that they are getting stronger.

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