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Quote from: emrecemsan on July 03, 2023, 05:57:01 AM

Yeah the new roster has finally been built.

I think this change was really needed for NaVi. Because they have been on the decline in rankings due to having unsuccessful tournaments for a while. They were once the leader in rankings and near unstoppable as well. But the same old relationship between the players was gone for a while. They were in search of a good IGL for a long time as they couldn't find the right one. And they finally created a solution by making even a bigger change. I can't wait to see this roster in a big official tournament. We can watch NaVi's resurrection hopefully.

I think things fall apart for Navi when boombl4 was forced to leave Navi when some kind of controversy happened with his wife and Navi had to part ways with boombl4. I will rather sit out and see how the teams combines in the games as I have seen many cases where a team has brought in good players but still failed to perform as one hoped. Eitherway, its some good changes and they really are some good names. Let's see how quickly they adapt and adjust to Navi's play style and tactics.

Natus Vincere new roster will face Astralis in Blast Premier Fall in less than two weeks. So a good test for Navi to start things out.

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Imperial has parted ways with chelo and fallen.Furia has announced that they have added both chelo and fallen to their roster.Furia has gotten stronger with this change and I think they will perform better than their old roster.I would have expected Furia to make such a move sooner, but there must have been some problems in the transfer business.
Mouz has announced the return of siuhy to the team.The young IGL who shone in the Mouz academy team has returned to Mouz's main squad.Mouz seems to insist on keeping the team young.I think it is a good transfer for Mouz.

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Quote from: dbshck on July 01, 2023, 12:08:17 AM

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Meanwhile, NAVI has formed a new team and they are going to have a special show match with Team Vitality. This match will be played on July 8th. This match will also be good to see the latest status of the teams.
Match announcement: https://twitter.com/ggbet_en/status/1674377438250381312

It's official! Navi made the announcement yesterday, revealing their new lineup. Aleksib, iM, and jL will be joining the team, replacing Electronic, Perfecto, and npl. I'm glad to see that they've brought in a proper IGL. Also, iM's impressive 1.35 rating in the last major makes his inclusion a great choice. I can't wait to see their performance in the upcoming Blast Fall group. Hopefully, Aleksib can bring the most out of this star-studded roster.

Yeah the new roster has finally been built.

I think this change was really needed for NaVi. Because they have been on the decline in rankings due to having unsuccessful tournaments for a while. They were once the leader in rankings and near unstoppable as well. But the same old relationship between the players was gone for a while. They were in search of a good IGL for a long time as they couldn't find the right one. And they finally created a solution by making even a bigger change. I can't wait to see this roster in a big official tournament. We can watch NaVi's resurrection hopefully.

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Quote from: dbshck on July 01, 2023, 12:08:17 AM

It's official! Navi made the announcement yesterday, revealing their new lineup. Aleksib, iM, and jL will be joining the team, replacing Electronic, Perfecto, and npl. I'm glad to see that they've brought in a proper IGL. Also, iM's impressive 1.35 rating in the last major makes his inclusion a great choice. I can't wait to see their performance in the upcoming Blast Fall group. Hopefully, Aleksib can bring the most out of this star-studded roster.

Well, it's a super squad. iM had become everyone's favorite with his performance in the last tournament. They got him right away. Aleksib and jL are also good choices. They're good names when you look at them one by one, but let's see how the team chemistry will be.
I'm glad NaVi has built an ambitious roster. I'm looking forward to the next big tournament. No team's job is easy because huge teams are formed and you find that your favorite teams are actually not as strong as the others. Maybe the best part is this competition between the teams.

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Quote from: tusandii on July 03, 2023, 12:34:41 AM

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Quote from: tusandii on July 01, 2023, 01:19:50 PM

If only for normal matches it is more difficult to determine who will win and there is still a big possibility that a team that is initially at the bottom and not too popular can become a winner but for big tournaments like TI then it is clear that only big teams who are strong and already popular will win.
We can predict which team will win the Dota match by looking at the heroes and items used by each team because both have an important role in a team winning the match.
But keep in mind that you must always be careful when analyzing matches.

Honestly, it is very easy to predict. We can predict any team for all of those matches but you'll never know if your predictions are good enough to get you some win if you don't analyze the teams you'll be betting on.

If it's just guessing and predicting, it's very easy, but to be able to have a really accurate prediction, it will be very difficult.
When in a Dota 2 match at a TI tournament we don't need to do an analysis when in a match a team that is already strong and has a top rank.
After all, so far when I have bet by only looking at the heroes used by the team, they can produce wins, so even if I predict with analysis but don't understand as a whole, it will still be the same, which is difficult to win.

Yes, it is what I am saying. And by just looking at teams before casting a bet, is the casino you're using allowing that? Because before the game starts, that's the only time that you're allowed to bet but CMIIW. Anyway, analysis is still needed by looking at the past games of these teams especially if they're in crucial situations like being out of the bracket or it's the main event, that's when you need to get more serious and check out some of their past games and how all of it went.

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Quote from: dothebeats on July 01, 2023, 01:33:51 PM

Koreans never had that much interest in Dota 2 since they are more focused on League and Starcraft at the time. The only Korean team I knew of that has somewhat become successful is MVP with DuBu. Even I am quite surprised that in an RTS as complex as Dota 2, the Koreans aren't excelling that much. China, on the other hand, have focused more on Dota 2 instead of League, and they're the ones whom the rest of the world are looking at when they're looking at new strategies on new patches.

LOL! That's exactly what I remembered about SEA people as well, growing up seeing them in cybercafes playing especially Starcraft and that game Counterstrike, I used to sleep hearing the cybercafes below me with the same "counter-terrorists win" message, with Koreans and Vietnamese all together cursing each other with Indonesians lol.

So it's why I'm really surprised they didn't translate to DOTA.

I didn't like any of the games, "strategy" seemed less important than speed of coordination (to my observation) cause the same guys who really good at Starcraft couldn't beat us at the turn-by-turn strategy games.

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Quote from: STT on July 02, 2023, 01:37:49 PM

The most interesting and to me potentially largest roster change recently has been to the Navi Csgo team. Obviously they have been having problems, the potential for #1 team in the world is there but they obviously were uncomfortable and uncapable during recent matches the gears were locked in their progress. Im not surprised there was change but to swap out 3 players this has to be considered a new team now, reset their rank at least for me in betting terms I cant be sure how they will do.

Who benches Electronic, you cant make up some things that happen but here we are. Im sure he will do ok but apparently it wont be on Navi?

NaVi definitely needed such a change because he realized that he couldn't achieve success with players from the same country all the time and started to break ties with Russian players.
If there is no incompatibility problem for the team, I must say that it is one of the teams that I will write in the first place in terms of firepower.b1t and s1mple were already top level players, and when the popular players of recent times jL and iM are added to them, I think they are really at the top level in terms of aim.
It might make more sense to wait and see their first matches and then take bets, but I don't think they will lose matches from now on.They have a lot of advantages because they have an IGL like Aleksib.

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Quote from: passwordnow on July 02, 2023, 12:40:13 PM

Quote from: tusandii on July 01, 2023, 01:19:50 PM

If only for normal matches it is more difficult to determine who will win and there is still a big possibility that a team that is initially at the bottom and not too popular can become a winner but for big tournaments like TI then it is clear that only big teams who are strong and already popular will win.
We can predict which team will win the Dota match by looking at the heroes and items used by each team because both have an important role in a team winning the match.
But keep in mind that you must always be careful when analyzing matches.

Honestly, it is very easy to predict. We can predict any team for all of those matches but you'll never know if your predictions are good enough to get you some win if you don't analyze the teams you'll be betting on.

If it's just guessing and predicting, it's very easy, but to be able to have a really accurate prediction, it will be very difficult.
When in a Dota 2 match at a TI tournament we don't need to do an analysis when in a match a team that is already strong and has a top rank.
After all, so far when I have bet by only looking at the heroes used by the team, they can produce wins, so even if I predict with analysis but don't understand as a whole, it will still be the same, which is difficult to win.

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The 500 team recruited former Partizan player KalubeR to fill the void after Rainwaker's transfer to Liquid.They will be a bit stronger but I don't know if they can find their old rhythm.Rainwaker was a player with a good aim.

Fallen left Imperial and will most likely transfer to Furia.This is the last chance for Fallen because he's too old.It's not clear how long he will play after this.

Talented and young player El1an is available and I think a team in need of awper should not miss such a player. Even though he has not been playing well lately, his young age is an extra advantage for him.

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The most interesting and to me potentially largest roster change recently has been to the Navi Csgo team. Obviously they have been having problems, the potential for #1 team in the world is there but they obviously were uncomfortable and uncapable during recent matches the gears were locked in their progress. Im not surprised there was change but to swap out 3 players this has to be considered a new team now, reset their rank at least for me in betting terms I cant be sure how they will do.

Who benches Electronic, you cant make up some things that happen but here we are. Im sure he will do ok but apparently it wont be on Navi?

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Quote from: bangjoe on July 01, 2023, 09:29:04 AM

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Dota 2 is a tough game these days, you'll never know who'll win honestly. Even a champ can be beaten by an unknown team.

This kind of thing is definitely happening, many teams out there who have the same ability to be the same as proplayer or even they are stronger than the pro player who always follows the tournament and then the surface and surprise many teams that have long been working on Esport Dota.
And or the unknown team, it has already seen how the pattern of games that are often used by the famous team so that they have a gap to defeat even big teams, this returns to the macro and micro skills of players and gameplay analysis on their opponents.
For fans of this MOBA game with a shocking team's arrival like that certainly makes it exciting and interesting to watch, but for bettors for us it makes us confused to force beting or just watching, because the probability is 50:50. Grin

This is why if it's with balancing, I'd say that this is balance because there's no strongest and there's no weakest. All of them have the same chances of winning but the thing is that whoever is smarter and has more experience in toughest game situations, those teams have the edge.

Quote from: tusandii on July 01, 2023, 01:19:50 PM

If only for normal matches it is more difficult to determine who will win and there is still a big possibility that a team that is initially at the bottom and not too popular can become a winner but for big tournaments like TI then it is clear that only big teams who are strong and already popular will win.
We can predict which team will win the Dota match by looking at the heroes and items used by each team because both have an important role in a team winning the match.
But keep in mind that you must always be careful when analyzing matches.

Honestly, it is very easy to predict. We can predict any team for all of those matches but you'll never know if your predictions are good enough to get you some win if you don't analyze the teams you'll be betting on.

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saffee and drop who left Furia signed with mibr.so tuurtle and hen1 became bench.time will tell us if these transfers will reflect positively for mibr but if I were to guess, they might be a little better.
Apeks filled the 5th player spot left vacant by jL's transfer to NaVi with CacaNito.Thus, the number of North Macedonian players in the team increased to 2.They became teammates again with his former teammate.

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Quote from: slaman29 on July 01, 2023, 06:02:06 AM

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I saw mentioning about regions being tough, Indonesia is the toughest? Or where?

If you're looking for the toughest regions, you'll be looking at Southeast Asia (SEA), China, and West Europe. These are the hardest regions to thrive in as a pro team, especially WEU given how many pros are concentrated on that particular region and how good the organizations are. China, you are looking at organizations that are basically just giving points to each other depending on the tournament for them to get the best teams on TI. SEA, well, they aren't really the best region, but the skill level of the teams in this region are basically on par with each other that's why the qualifiers are always hard to decide which team will pop off and which ones will play poorly.

Thanks, yeah I would have guessed China and Japan or Korea though, I had no idea SEA is pro (I know they play a lot but I always assumed it's just a cultural thing with cybercafes and all that). Chinese teams giving points to each other is allowed? Haha.

Koreans never had that much interest in Dota 2 since they are more focused on League and Starcraft at the time. The only Korean team I knew of that has somewhat become successful is MVP with DuBu. Even I am quite surprised that in an RTS as complex as Dota 2, the Koreans aren't excelling that much. China, on the other hand, have focused more on Dota 2 instead of League, and they're the ones whom the rest of the world are looking at when they're looking at new strategies on new patches.

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Quote from: passwordnow on July 01, 2023, 09:11:53 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on July 01, 2023, 06:02:06 AM

Anyway thanks yeah, I might follow this thread a little just to get some idea of what's going on when I need to make predictions (but I guess as you say it's hard to decide which team goes through it always seems 50-50.

Dota 2 is a tough game these days, you'll never know who'll win honestly. Even a champ can be beaten by an unknown team.

If only for normal matches it is more difficult to determine who will win and there is still a big possibility that a team that is initially at the bottom and not too popular can become a winner but for big tournaments like TI then it is clear that only big teams who are strong and already popular will win.
We can predict which team will win the Dota match by looking at the heroes and items used by each team because both have an important role in a team winning the match.
But keep in mind that you must always be careful when analyzing matches.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on July 01, 2023, 09:55:10 AM

Quest beat Team Secret on the Riyadh Master qualifiers that makes this team a silent beast on this tournament because this is their first Tier 1 tournament appearance but the roster is definitely full of experienced players with high level play.

For the record, Team Secret MENA was literally a put together team that was purposely made to participate in MENA Qualifiers so yeah they wouldnt do be a threat to Quest that actually made it to top 4 in division 1 DPC

Quote from: slaman29 on June 30, 2023, 05:52:46 AM

Holy shit I just read the last page and didn't understand anything. It looks like arallmuus is a secret DOTA expert also, now I know if I ever promote back to BSFL in Division 1 to watch out for him.

Well I do have a solid record on Esports related question on BSFL though but yeah Im not really good at it. If you are looking for someone for tips for the next BSFL esports question then I'd suggest taking opinion from @ralle14 and Trofo

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Quote from: bangjoe on July 01, 2023, 09:29:04 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on July 01, 2023, 09:11:53 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on July 01, 2023, 06:02:06 AM

Anyway thanks yeah, I might follow this thread a little just to get some idea of what's going on when I need to make predictions (but I guess as you say it's hard to decide which team goes through it always seems 50-50.

Dota 2 is a tough game these days, you'll never know who'll win honestly. Even a champ can be beaten by an unknown team.

This kind of thing is definitely happening, many teams out there who have the same ability to be the same as proplayer or even they are stronger than the pro player who always follows the tournament and then the surface and surprise many teams that have long been working on Esport Dota.
And or the unknown team, it has already seen how the pattern of games that are often used by the famous team so that they have a gap to defeat even big teams, this returns to the macro and micro skills of players and gameplay analysis on their opponents.
For fans of this MOBA game with a shocking team's arrival like that certainly makes it exciting and interesting to watch, but for bettors for us it makes us confused to force beting or just watching, because the probability is 50:50. Grin

Quest team is not an unknown team because it keeps winning lower tier tournament and ATF is playing pos 3 on this team. Quest beat Team Secret on the Riyadh Master qualifiers that makes this team a silent beast on this tournament because this is their first Tier 1 tournament appearance but the roster is definitely full of experienced players with high level play.

I'm really surprised when I do background check on this team right after their solid performance against GG.

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Quote from: passwordnow on July 01, 2023, 09:11:53 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on July 01, 2023, 06:02:06 AM

Anyway thanks yeah, I might follow this thread a little just to get some idea of what's going on when I need to make predictions (but I guess as you say it's hard to decide which team goes through it always seems 50-50.

Dota 2 is a tough game these days, you'll never know who'll win honestly. Even a champ can be beaten by an unknown team.

This kind of thing is definitely happening, many teams out there who have the same ability to be the same as proplayer or even they are stronger than the pro player who always follows the tournament and then the surface and surprise many teams that have long been working on Esport Dota.
And or the unknown team, it has already seen how the pattern of games that are often used by the famous team so that they have a gap to defeat even big teams, this returns to the macro and micro skills of players and gameplay analysis on their opponents.
For fans of this MOBA game with a shocking team's arrival like that certainly makes it exciting and interesting to watch, but for bettors for us it makes us confused to force beting or just watching, because the probability is 50:50. Grin

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Quote from: slaman29 on July 01, 2023, 06:02:06 AM

I had no idea SEA is pro (I know they play a lot but I always assumed it's just a cultural thing with cybercafes and all that).

Yes, there are pro teams in SEA and they're known as well but compared to the other regions, they're now like the weakest region - sad but true.

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Chinese teams giving points to each other is allowed? Haha.

That's not allowed but the organizers barely notice that but it's like a conspiracy.

Quote from: slaman29 on July 01, 2023, 06:02:06 AM

Anyway thanks yeah, I might follow this thread a little just to get some idea of what's going on when I need to make predictions (but I guess as you say it's hard to decide which team goes through it always seems 50-50.

Dota 2 is a tough game these days, you'll never know who'll win honestly. Even a champ can be beaten by an unknown team.

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Quote from: dothebeats on June 30, 2023, 03:23:42 PM

Quote from: slaman29 on June 30, 2023, 05:52:46 AM

I saw mentioning about regions being tough, Indonesia is the toughest? Or where?

If you're looking for the toughest regions, you'll be looking at Southeast Asia (SEA), China, and West Europe. These are the hardest regions to thrive in as a pro team, especially WEU given how many pros are concentrated on that particular region and how good the organizations are. China, you are looking at organizations that are basically just giving points to each other depending on the tournament for them to get the best teams on TI. SEA, well, they aren't really the best region, but the skill level of the teams in this region are basically on par with each other that's why the qualifiers are always hard to decide which team will pop off and which ones will play poorly.

Thanks, yeah I would have guessed China and Japan or Korea though, I had no idea SEA is pro (I know they play a lot but I always assumed it's just a cultural thing with cybercafes and all that). Chinese teams giving points to each other is allowed? Haha.

Anyway thanks yeah, I might follow this thread a little just to get some idea of what's going on when I need to make predictions (but I guess as you say it's hard to decide which team goes through it always seems 50-50.

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Today and tomorrow is the semi and grand finals of the Lorgar Cup 2023 with some not so popular European teams. As I am not really familiar with the teams playing there I probably won't be placing any bets on the three matches. Instead I am focusing on the Blast Premier Fall Group Stage which is starting on Thursday and Friday next week. Already with the first game there will be Vitality playing against Evil Geniuses which is going to be a save win for Vitality. The second match with NiP vs Complexity is going to be more close, but should be won by NiP over 3 maps. On the second day we have Heroic vs BIG, which is another one sided match for Heroic as it's currently the strongest team in CSGO. NaVi is going to play against the new Astralis roster, which doesn't have any experience playing together, so NaVi should take that match without any problems. And the last match of the day will be FaZe vs OG, which should be won by FaZe without much trouble. It some exciting games coming up next week with quite a few strong teams having the chance to dominate in the first qualifications.

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