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Team Spirit just know how to counter and was able to read how micke moves in the map. And every opportunity that they see him, they're not wasting that and that's how they made him look like nothing on that grand finals.

I agree and they're just so good at it. And even they're not having a good start, they still manage to at least prolong the game by controlling the map and giving space to yatoro.

GamerLegion was the biggest surprise of Paris Major as you might remember. They reached the finale even though they couldn't win the tournament. Here in IEM Cologne they seemed quite competitive after dropping to lower bracket. But Cloud9 stopped them by 2-1 and ended their hopes. GamerLegion even won the first map of the series and got even closer to be Vitality's opponent in next round. But the comeback on Ancient and Mirage was lovely by Cloud9. Both teams deserved the last map though as it ended after an OT.

Still that Major success was enough to carry GamerLegion to upper positions in top 10 on HLTV. They are shown as the 6th best team now. This is a really nice success story for them.

I thought Heroic would have won if they focused on the game as usual, but cadian didn't. He might be a good IGL but it's not nice to have trash talk when you are not guaranteed to win. This reflected in them losing the match. Heroic has become a good team and they are one of the teams that are doing team play well right now. I don't think there is a need for such things when the players have such a good chemistry with each other. After all, everyone is human and one mistake can change the fate of the game. The fact that Astralis players are all from Denmark says a lot about their cohesion. NaVi is a new squad and it will take time for the players to get used to each other. Both teams have a good roster at the moment, but Astralis won the match thanks to Buzz's extra performance.

Mega job by Ence and a well deserved victory. Heroic are always goofy when they play on LAN and this time it didn't work as all that trash talk before the game ended up being a bad thing for Heroic.

I've more shocked of how did Navi lose the game against Astralis ? 1st map it went overtime and Navi trowed 2 consecutive rounds and then in 3rd map , they started to play once again on timing ...and it all went wrong as Navi is not used to have very late push and since Alekisb came , Navi is doing this strategy over and over again .

Ence managed to defeat Heroic in the Group A upper bracket final match. When we look at the roster, we can say that Heroic has a successful roster and they play a good team game. In addition, we see that they were defeated with close scores on the maps they lost. Thus, we can say that they are lacking in some issues. It's okay for Cadian to talk about the other side, but as an IGL, I think he should focus on the game. In this way, they could have made it to the finals without any defeats, but they could not achieve this. When we look at the scores of the players, we see that sunpayus was the leader of the team this match. He had a good game against the young and talented awper Heroic.

Congrats on getting both correctly and most of the underdogs won on the last day of the groups.

ENCE beating Heroic at the third map was unexpected and this 4k from Nertz turned the momentum around in the second half.

I can't wait to see their possible matchup against Vitality in the semi-finals because there's no way Vitality loses against a struggling Cloud9 squad that barely squeezed their way out of the lower bracket group stage.

Ironic thing with Astralis and Navi is you have many great players there but two of which are opposite ends of their all time ratings.  Device has never played and rated better in games then he is doing right now.  S1mple has never registered so badly with the lowest ratings he has ever had.     In a match up we should probably be favoring Astralis more then normal till some normality occurs or we just write off the old s1mple perhaps which I wont do personally for at least a year

Whatever it is, Team Liquid had 5 grandfinals and ended up getting runner up on all of them. Prize money that they won is still pretty good but yeah its seems they jinxed all of it

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Took a live bet combo on this, personally I wont really bet like this normally but yeah I think Im taking my chances with this. Also took Navi to win as well on another single to hedge this

I checked out Eternal Fire about what they have been doing recently. It looks like I haven't missed anything as they look the same.    There was a tournament named CCT North Europe Series. Their opponent was SAW in the semi finals. SAW have been a quite challenging team to beat for them so far considering their head-to-head history.

Eternal Fire needed to stay solid against them. But even on one of their best maps which was Anubis they lost and gave a big advantage to them. After a tough fight with 2 OTs on Inferno they won by 22-20 maybe but the loss was still inevitable for them. Actually Vertigo is a map on which Eternal Fire played the most so far maybe. But they still have serious issues there like this 16-8 defeat.

Micke is a strong carry provided he had a good start, or their supports are having a good time roaming around the map and making space for the man. Unfortunately for him, TS didn't want to give up even an inch of the map to them and it resulted to a lot of catastrophe. This is what gave TS the edge: map control. It became too scary for anyone to move around the map for a while because TL's heroes are squishy, and can easily be picked off from the map.

G2 seems to have gotten their revenge on Faze this time. G2 played a dominant game on the Inferno map and did not allow Karrigan and his team to play. We can say that the fact that there was no prominent name on the Inferno map in G2, who played a good game as a team, is an indication that the team worked well together on the map. On the Ancient map, Faze's job was not easy at all in the match where monesy and hunter got 30 kills each. While Faze has more experienced players, I can say that G2 has more talented players and stronger players when they stay one-on-one. I expected G2 to win, but I didn't expect the matches to be so far apart and with such a clear performance difference between the players.
In the ongoing NaVi-OG match, we are watching the struggle of 2 new teams. Although we can say that these teams have gone through a complete change, we can say that the players will have time to get used to each other. While B1t and s1mple will continue to play at the same level, other players who are new to the roster will need to put in a little more effort. The same goes for the OG team, of course. F1KU, who has been in the roster for a long time, and nexa, who is a bench player, do not take time to get used to, but it is difficult to say the same for other players.

Yeah right, TL started to loose their edge on the game after repeating sa,e strategy on game 2 which is having 3 core heroes while they lose since they gave space for Yatoro to farm hard while all their 3 core heroes is no match against Yatoro on face to face battle because of chrono.

Same happened on game 3 and 4 which Yatoro is completely free to farm items while TL carry can’t match Yatoro farming and itemization skills. miCke is no match for Yatoro in terms of carrying team. TL is string when Zai or Nisha dominates the game but completely weak if the game comes when they rely only to miCKe on late game to carry the team.

Astralis had a very comfortable win against NiP. NiP transferred former Astralis player konfig after the events. But it seems that konfig didn't show much against astralis. Brollan and hampus also played poorly, failing to break the 20 man threshold, which led to a comfortable win for Astralis. The trio of BlameF, bORUP and device were the leading frag players of the team in this match.
Vitality, on the other hand, won with a very comfortable game against the young mouz roster. The contribution of other players other than Apex as frag is already visibly obvious, and since Apex is IGL, he could not be expected to contribute much frag. In Mouz, frozen trying to win the match alone was not enough for them.

Do you guys know some good tipsters from esport, like Cyberdog or bounty bets ?

It’s so nice that I didn't waste my time watching the whole match and mocking on my bet for Team Liquid. I really thought that they have the momentum after their strong finsih against Talon and game 1 against Team Spirit. Micke is very passive the whole match and he is not playing as pos 1. He is always useless on all of the match while zai and nisha only carry him. This is always the pattern of Liquid during finals and they can't win any major tournament with this kind of behavior.

I knew that this will come and I didn't learned my lesson. Team Spirit is so strong now that Larl and Collaps is finally helping Yatoro get the space that he needs.

Mongolz almost swept Heroic in the second game, but they became shaky when it got to overtime. The same happened in their lower-bracket series against GamerLegion they had a chance to close it out in round 30, but they failed and then lost four straight rounds in overtime.

It also felt like a draft problem because Yatoro's Void didn't die as much in the second game and Team Spirit's Techies was a big nuisance during the team fights.

Unfortunately, they did not have the same result as game 1. Yatoro refused to lose 2 consecutive games using faceless void. This time, he itemized as that even if he is countered by Naga, he is sure to win. And Team Liquid was not able to close the game in the early game. They had a few mistakes that is costly to them to go to the late game. And once the late game kicked in, it was easier team fights for team Spirit. Timber is stronger and there is already double Chrono with refresher shards. Team Liquid was still able to hold some team fights but eventually, they collapsed, and Team Spirit took the win in game 2. It is now basically reduced to a best-of-3 series between Team Liquid and Team Spirit. Hold on to your seats guy, I think we are on to a long series.


Technically, both teams are TI champions. Team Liquid just have a different team composition when they won TI 7 with Matumbaman on the helm, but it is still team Liquid. Team Spirit is the more recent champ (TI10) with almost the same line up aside from Larl. These two TI champs are giving  us a good Riyadh Masters 2023 Finals.


Looking at the playoffs matches of Talon, it is really considered that they are exhausted. They went against Team Liquid in a 3 games series. Then they have two matches yesterday with 9 Pandas and Gaimin Gladiators. Also, taking into account how Talon plays, which is they like to play the long game, that is really exhausting to them. Going against two giant Dota teams on a consecutive day is mentally taxing.

Zai actually has a good lane and play his role properly because he manage to be ahead on gold in mid game. The problem of Liquid is their cores has less gold for items since they invest too much on Naga while Void manage to get so OP can burst both Nisha and Micke.

Team Spirit is so good on game 2 and they are very good on securing Roshan while Team Liquid is having a hard time on vision due to techies bomb all over the map.

Despite how TL was strong on the game 1, it's the opposite on what they've been through on game 2. Well, this is a total good match. A former TI champ and probably soon to be a TI champ(not unless GG takes it).

Likely.

There are teams that are like that. Like Execration, they're able to beat GG on the Bali major IIRC but that's still too early for the group stages. There really are unorthodoxed teams that can beat the strongest ones.

Well, game 2 didn't go well for Team Liquid.

Team Liquid become sloppy on game 2. I don’t know what happened to them and who’s calling their decision making but their buy back and roshan priority is so bad. What the heck they are doing on the last clash on roshan, They keep fighting despite they don’t have near building to TP when they buy back and they keep doing buy back 1 by 1.

They rely too much on Zai that didn’t deliver properly because he keeps engaging on clash instead focusing on enemy barracks.  The choker liquid might come again for whoever bullshit calling their move on game 2. I will consider my bet as loss already.