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Quote from: boyptc on July 20, 2023, 05:36:33 PM

Just to give an update, four teams have already said their goodbye that early to the Riyadh Masters. And these are the teams:

Beastcoast should've been one of the few teams that advanced, but their form isn't the same as it used to be. Entity was a bit promising after the first day, but they're unlucky to face OG over Beastcoast in the deciders.

Quote from: arallmuus on July 20, 2023, 05:12:35 PM

It was pretty close for Team Secret but there was no doubt that they were going to make it considering that they were only playing against Execration. These teams are so bad on all Majors and International tournament that they dont really deserve all those spot

I surely thought it'd be an easy 2-0 for them, but that comeback win from Execration happened out of nowhere. After that, Team Secret played so cleanly, dragging out fights, and Fbz's early octarine build helped a lot in those long extended fights.

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Just to give an update, four teams have already said their goodbye that early to the Riyadh Masters. And these are the teams:

Execration
Entity
Beastcoast
Virtus.Pro

All of these teams aren't going to come home without nothing but with a whopping $50,000 each. This is what's good with this Riyadh masters, all of the teams even the lowest place will have a prize to take.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 20, 2023, 06:34:17 AM

Meanwhile, hoping for Team Secret to make it to the next stage. These coming games against 9 Pandas won't be easy though. A lot of ties in the groups, I thought there are tie-breaker rules but I cannot find them.

They made it and the ties were settled by the match decider games though. It was pretty close for Team Secret but there was no doubt that they were going to make it considering that they were only playing against Execration. These teams are so bad on all Majors and International tournament that they dont really deserve all those spot

Picked these two earlier, Im confident with GG but PSG.LGD is way better than OG as well

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Game 1 between 9panda and VP on Riyadh Master is very intense match. Ramzes hard carrying his team the whole game and it just ended with 1 mistake which is he over protect chen that result them a game. I don't understand why he keeps on the front line while the Chen is already save in the backlines. He thinks he can 4v1 the enemy team while there's a doom on the opponent side.

I thought they will have a very good comeback but Ramzes once again choke. He is good on farming his items but sometimes failed on decision making when they are already catching up the enemy. Game 2 on the way. I think Kiyotaka needs to step since he is a complete useless the whole game.

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In the Group C match Faze-G2, Faze defeated G2 2-0.It was easy to beat G2 with the legendary performance of Twistzz and ropz.It was not enough for hunter to play in G2, only hunter's performance was not enough because they played badly as a team.
In the final match of Group A, NiP was the winner with close scores in the vitality-NiP match.NiP was the team that played better as a team.We can say that the NiP team had a very good tournament in the match where only IGL hampus played badly.

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Quote from: dothebeats on July 19, 2023, 06:46:24 PM

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Quote from: passwordnow on July 18, 2023, 06:28:56 AM

Quest is still strong without ATF but it's possible that ATF was the brain during all of their run.

Quest esport is the only team that won 3-0 ( 6-0 ) for their first 3 games and currently Xtreme Gaming won the 1st map against them. I thought they could make a clean sweep for today then advance to the group stage on the very first day.

I thought for sure that Quest will be quite handicapped since ATF is one of their playmakers before. Good thing they made it work with Malik, and they still look incredibly in form albeit not really finding their rhythm during the early stages of their games. Hopefully though they continue this run and form up until the TI season. They're really a good team with ATF, and they understand the meta quite well I must say.

I guess nobody expected that Quest will continue its huge run. How many days they only had to replace ATF? It seems like it is only 2 days something to prepare and familiarize Malik and they also add a new coach at that time. And all of a sudden they are playing really well like nothing changed to their team. I felt excited for them although we still see them mixing it up with the top teams that are waiting.

Meanwhile, hoping for Team Secret to make it to the next stage. These coming games against 9 Pandas won't be easy though. A lot of ties in the groups, I thought there are tie-breaker rules but I cannot find them.

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This round can still provide benefits and of course anyone who really wants to watch the match and do the right analysis will definitely have predictions to bet on.
I got multi bet wins from 3 matches and of course I have big enough Odds.

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Quote from: dothebeats on July 17, 2023, 06:27:06 PM

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Despite ATF is really a good position 3, I agree to you that if he stays with Nigma, there should be an adjusted. And from being with OG before, he's a position 1 and that could be the adjustment. I am thinking that Nigma is more with the contract business now and not with the actual competition anymore. Kuroky needs to be just their manager or coach and let the younger ones play with their talents. ATF with the Quest is really a strong dark horse but then, it's all about business and contracts and probably ATF was minisculed by their offer and that's why ATF can't even proceed despite with a go signal from his Nigma management.

ATF is weighing his options and that is just the right thing to do. A few months before TI and a lot of teams can still get him if they wanted him to be in their team. The guy’s got pretty solid mechanics for a carry, though his aggressive play style suits him better in the offlane role, a role in which Nigma and Quest utilized him. He just needs a 4 position support that matches what he wants to do in the lane.

It's gonna be crucial for him if he wants to participate in the TI. I guess that he'll be playing with Nigma on the qualifiers but we all know that he's got a tiny chance to get on with them because of how Kuro and the team was performing, they're truly far from the meta right now.
But if another team is going to take him as a loan through the qualifiers up to the TI if ever lucky, I wonder what team is that. The one successful loan is Sumail. This is a good reason why I guess that kuro is going to push him to be taken as a loan while he's still in contract with them.

Quote from: dothebeats on July 17, 2023, 06:27:06 PM

Old OG did this really well although they haven’t found much success after a few stints in a few majors.

Possible that he'll take them as a loan as well. It's because they've got no permanent teammates.

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Quote from: arallmuus on July 19, 2023, 03:03:02 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on July 18, 2023, 06:28:56 AM

Quest is still strong without ATF but it's possible that ATF was the brain during all of their run.

Quest esport is the only team that won 3-0 ( 6-0 ) for their first 3 games and currently Xtreme Gaming won the 1st map against them. I thought they could make a clean sweep for today then advance to the group stage on the very first day.

I thought for sure that Quest will be quite handicapped since ATF is one of their playmakers before. Good thing they made it work with Malik, and they still look incredibly in form albeit not really finding their rhythm during the early stages of their games. Hopefully though they continue this run and form up until the TI season. They're really a good team with ATF, and they understand the meta quite well I must say.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on July 19, 2023, 06:26:26 PM

Comparing to other majors then when it comes to prize pool then Riyadh masters is really that having a huge prize pool on which it would be normal for teams would really be giving out their best in terms of performance
and trying out to place themselves at least on top 20 which you would really be at least getting some of the allocation but of course every team would really be going for the top spot or even on top #2 or 3 because
the prize isnt something that they could ignore.

It's just going to be a short period for them and that's why those teams that want to go to the next level needs a lot of 2-0. Those that are able to make it are likely have a bigger chance for the group stages where the action is going to be more what he's expecting to have draws.

These teams have already secured themselves for the group stages.

Team Liquid
Team Aster
Quest Esports
9pandas

And there are going to be a lot of decider matches and that's the more crucial part of the teams that will go there.

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Quote from: arallmuus on July 19, 2023, 03:03:02 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on July 18, 2023, 06:28:56 AM

Quest is still strong without ATF but it's possible that ATF was the brain during all of their run.

Quest esport is the only team that won 3-0 ( 6-0 ) for their first 3 games and currently Xtreme Gaming won the 1st map against them. I thought they could make a clean sweep for today then advance to the group stage on the very first day.

Pretty weird first day overall imo and I was expecting that there will be alot of draws like usual but it seems most teams are so motivated to win with clean 2-0 sweep because of the huge prizepool I guess

Comparing to other majors then when it comes to prize pool then Riyadh masters is really that having a huge prize pool on which it would be normal for teams would really be giving out their best in terms of performance
and trying out to place themselves at least on top 20 which you would really be at least getting some of the allocation but of course every team would really be going for the top spot or even on top #2 or 3 because
the prize isnt something that they could ignore.

Quest Esports had been known already to be the darkhorse and really that performs well now on qualifying stage. Lots had been anticipating that this one would really be an another
major for GG to win. lol

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Quote from: arallmuus on July 19, 2023, 03:03:02 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on July 18, 2023, 06:28:56 AM

Quest is still strong without ATF but it's possible that ATF was the brain during all of their run.

Quest esport is the only team that won 3-0 ( 6-0 ) for their first 3 games and currently Xtreme Gaming won the 1st map against them. I thought they could make a clean sweep for today then advance to the group stage on the very first day.

I was correct that they're still strong but did have my doubts about it without ATF. Anyway, this is a good run that they're having and the first day is done. The last day of the play in is going to be tomorrow, I don't understand the bracketing though. There are teams, the direct invites are just waiting so, this means that there will be eliminated teams by tomorrow on this play in, is that right? So before proceeding the group stages and joining the waiting teams, those that will be at the lowest points will be eliminated and that's like 6 teams to be eliminated by tomorrow and 6 to contine.

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Quote from: passwordnow on July 18, 2023, 06:28:56 AM

Quest is still strong without ATF but it's possible that ATF was the brain during all of their run.

Quest esport is the only team that won 3-0 ( 6-0 ) for their first 3 games and currently Xtreme Gaming won the 1st map against them. I thought they could make a clean sweep for today then advance to the group stage on the very first day.

Pretty weird first day overall imo and I was expecting that there will be alot of draws like usual but it seems most teams are so motivated to win with clean 2-0 sweep because of the huge prizepool I guess

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 16, 2023, 03:44:00 AM

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 13, 2023, 12:01:40 PM

We have a few days of DOTA rest before the Riyadh Master starts 5 days from now. While SEA is probably in its weakest season, another player is joining another team outside the region. Entity has a new offlane in this tournament, Gabbi.

And this makes Ceb play for the current OG squad as their pos 4. This is like version 2 of The International and for sure teams are going to go all in on this one.

That's cool. Every team that feels like they are still capable of winning has to change and do some experiments because last year, final qualifiers Team Secret and Liquid went on to play very well unexpectedly and finished 2nd and 3rd respectively.

Meanwhile, Quest Esports who's also on a good run lately and is clearly a black horse if it is able to qualify for TI thru the last qualifier seems to have some internal issues. A week ago, they parted ways with their coach Accell. And then ATF whose loan contract had just expired decided to leave citing Quests' offer as unacceptable. This is weird, Saudi is pouring millions to billions of dollars into events, sports, and esports so I guess ATF's concern is not about the money. So I guess Quest won't be the same again in the coming Riyadh Masters and TI Last Qualifier.

Quest is still strong without ATF but it's possible that ATF was the brain during all of their run. He did great with the team and the team has actually improved and added a lot of experience from the professional scene. As for Saudi, they're just expanding their investments and aside from oil, they can see that esports is growing and soon in the future, it's possible that they're targeting to be an esports hub as the prince there is also a fan and player of Dota 2. I'm not just sure with other games, probably he's too.

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Quote from: arallmuus on July 17, 2023, 02:29:08 PM

I personally like this one lol, odds are abit silly yeah

I like most of what you picked in your parlay aside from 9Pandas, as I think they have a higher chance of dropping a map over VP going 2-0 against Team Aster. I might parlay the Team Liquid matches tomorrow and then live bet the other games on Group B.

The odds on this over 2.5 between COL vs NiP looks good and IMO should be switched around with the under when they already had a 2-1 scoreline five days ago.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on July 17, 2023, 06:06:12 PM

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If Nigma wants ATF they'd have to put him somewhere else, not pos 3. Mind Control is simply just not working on other roles, particularly on support roles given how tuned his gameplay is in the offlane. They can give Ammar pos 1, although I'm not sure if he's effective too on that role as he's been playing pos 3 for quite a while now, and his gameplay really suits the current meta for offlaners. They can put him in mid and try to do something in that position, although not sure if that's a setup that will work in the qualifiers.

Despite ATF is really a good position 3, I agree to you that if he stays with Nigma, there should be an adjusted. And from being with OG before, he's a position 1 and that could be the adjustment. I am thinking that Nigma is more with the contract business now and not with the actual competition anymore. Kuroky needs to be just their manager or coach and let the younger ones play with their talents. ATF with the Quest is really a strong dark horse but then, it's all about business and contracts and probably ATF was minisculed by their offer and that's why ATF can't even proceed despite with a go signal from his Nigma management.

ATF is weighing his options and that is just the right thing to do. A few months before TI and a lot of teams can still get him if they wanted him to be in their team. The guy’s got pretty solid mechanics for a carry, though his aggressive play style suits him better in the offlane role, a role in which Nigma and Quest utilized him. He just needs a 4 position support that matches what he wants to do in the lane. Old OG did this really well although they haven’t found much success after a few stints in a few majors.

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Quote from: dothebeats on July 16, 2023, 05:54:31 PM

If Nigma wants ATF they'd have to put him somewhere else, not pos 3. Mind Control is simply just not working on other roles, particularly on support roles given how tuned his gameplay is in the offlane. They can give Ammar pos 1, although I'm not sure if he's effective too on that role as he's been playing pos 3 for quite a while now, and his gameplay really suits the current meta for offlaners. They can put him in mid and try to do something in that position, although not sure if that's a setup that will work in the qualifiers.

Despite ATF is really a good position 3, I agree to you that if he stays with Nigma, there should be an adjusted. And from being with OG before, he's a position 1 and that could be the adjustment. I am thinking that Nigma is more with the contract business now and not with the actual competition anymore. Kuroky needs to be just their manager or coach and let the younger ones play with their talents. ATF with the Quest is really a strong dark horse but then, it's all about business and contracts and probably ATF was minisculed by their offer and that's why ATF can't even proceed despite with a go signal from his Nigma management.

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Quote from: ralle14 on July 16, 2023, 08:35:54 PM

Having another player to swap could come in handy for Nigma but I don't think Kuro is that desperate when their squad is already doing great.

There's also Nouns picking up one of the best SA carry K1 to their roster while their current carry Yamsun transitions to the supporting role. Now I don't see any other team beating them in the NA qualifiers when their roster got this big of an upgrade.

Yeah the current DPC system is really good on NA region because top 2 teams guaranteed to get to TI through points will always be TSM and SR for now so the other less fortunate team in this case Nouns ( back then it was Quincy crew I believe) will always get their share from the regional qualifier

Riyadh Master play-in on wednesday, there is going to be a total of 24 games in a single day. Im thinking of combining several games into a good parlay because its just absurd to use the all draws strategy in this case I think

I personally like this one lol, odds are abit silly yeah

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We watched Heroic-NaVi match in the upper bracket final match of group B.Heroic managed to defeat their opponent 2-0.Heroic, who showed a better performance as a team, can easily say that they deserved to win the match.I did not expect NaVi to perform so badly.I think they will need a little more time to get used to each other.
In the final match of group B lower bracket, we watched the BIG-Astralis match.BIG lost the first map, but held on to the match and won 2-1.The map scores in the match were close to each other and we can actually say that both teams were insufficient in performance.Astralis was better than BIG, but BIG was the team that won the match.

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Quote from: boltz on July 16, 2023, 04:59:07 AM

I, personally have another opinion of this departure and I think Kuro wanted him back at Nigma as soon as possible to be ready for last chance qualifiers for TI and if that won't work , ATF will search for a new team as he is still very very young and has plenty of time for his dota 2 career.

Having another player to swap could come in handy for Nigma but I don't think Kuro is that desperate when their squad is already doing great.

There's also Nouns picking up one of the best SA carry K1 to their roster while their current carry Yamsun transitions to the supporting role. Now I don't see any other team beating them in the NA qualifiers when their roster got this big of an upgrade.

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