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Quote from: dbshck on June 09, 2023, 01:27:15 PM

I thought that win against Vitality was just a fluke, turns out Imperial did play quite well. That win brought them to the playoff despite losing 1-2 to G2. In the quarterfinals, they face off against Complexity and have already claimed victory in the first map, which is Complexity's choice. Things are looking promising for Imperial to win the match on their map pick.

The other quarter-final will be an absolute banger, Vitality vs FaZe. This will be a close one for sure but I'll have to go with Vitality. They won all BO3 against FaZe without dropping a map so far in 2023 and I can see them continue that streak here.

By the way in the Imperial v G2 series there was a really nice ninja defuse by FalleN. On Map 3 which was Nuke, there was a 2 vs 3 situation for Imperial and the bomb was planted on bombsite A. It was like all things were under control for G2 but they left the bomb unguarded a little early. Imperial's move was really smart with FalleN and JOTA. While JOTA was covering him FalleN defused the bomb in smoke which was really an impressive round for them.

The round with a ninja defuse: https://twitter.com/BLASTPremier/status/1666912036519854084?s=20

But even a play like this wasn't enough to prevent a 13-16 loss on that map and a 2-1 loss in total. Sad

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Quote from: execijutiere on June 08, 2023, 11:44:50 AM

The only surprise result in the first matches of the BLAST premier spring finals was Imperial's win against vitality.Imperial played really well as a team and vitality couldn't show any presence on the overpass map that imperial chose.

I thought that win against Vitality was just a fluke, turns out Imperial did play quite well. That win brought them to the playoff despite losing 1-2 to G2. In the quarterfinals, they face off against Complexity and have already claimed victory in the first map, which is Complexity's choice. Things are looking promising for Imperial to win the match on their map pick.

The other quarter-final will be an absolute banger, Vitality vs FaZe. This will be a close one for sure but I'll have to go with Vitality. They won all BO3 against FaZe without dropping a map so far in 2023 and I can see them continue that streak here.

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Quote from: tusandii on June 08, 2023, 09:00:27 AM

Yes, that's true and Boom Esport must really work hard to be able to beat other competitors in division 2 so they can return to division 1 and have the opportunity or opportunity to compete in TI tournaments so they can have more experience when competing with other big.
But for some reason I'm not too sure that Boom Esport can get that far to enter the TI tournament.

Securing the top 2 in Division 2 should be easy for them, but the question is whether the management prefers to keep this roster or build a new one once the new DPC season starts because we have already seen the limits of this roster and players don't stay longer than a year whenever they can't bring good results.

Quote from: tusandii on June 08, 2023, 09:00:27 AM

Maybe after winning the major they feel satisfied and proud so they forget that actually they still need a further step to get victory in every Dota 2 tournament.
It will be difficult for them to use the old list because they are used to the new one and of course there will be many changes if this is done.

There's no way they can forget after getting a good result in the previous season, and tbh their management did a good job bringing in good players on the roster. Unfortunately, the players couldn't synergize well, and it showed when Mushi had to play in some of their remaining series and made the team perform better.

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The only surprise result in the first matches of the BLAST premier spring finals was Imperial's win against vitality.Imperial played really well as a team and vitality couldn't show any presence on the overpass map that imperial chose. Apex and dupreeh's very bad performance allowed them to lose this match.
Faze had a very comfortable win against astralis, the only player who could play astralis was blameF. We see that the other players had a very bad performance in terms of kills.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on June 05, 2023, 03:17:19 PM

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In other esports, they're doing pretty well but Dota 2 is a tough competition in the world of Esports. Sadly with Boom Esports, they're relegated to division 2. Together with Xerxia, they're back there and will have another tough competition to go back to the division but I don't think that we'll see that soon as the next tournaments are going to be invitationals and as well as through regional qualifiers for the TI.

Yes, that's true and Boom Esport must really work hard to be able to beat other competitors in division 2 so they can return to division 1 and have the opportunity or opportunity to compete in TI tournaments so they can have more experience when competing with other big.
But for some reason I'm not too sure that Boom Esport can get that far to enter the TI tournament.

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Quote from: tusandii on June 06, 2023, 03:34:51 AM

Talking about the Indonesian Dota 2 team, maybe they can learn more and also add some experience so they can compete with other countries' Dota 2 teams.

Boom is strong and they even won majors but it's just that they've changed roster and they can't keep up with the old roster they've got that has won majors. They should have budgeted that roster until they've been having hard time now.

Maybe after winning the major they feel satisfied and proud so they forget that actually they still need a further step to get victory in every Dota 2 tournament.
It will be difficult for them to use the old list because they are used to the new one and of course there will be many changes if this is done.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 08, 2023, 06:14:04 AM

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Things will change for those who are chasing to get qualified to TI because of the DPC points that will be distributed for this Bali major. Remember that this is going to be the last major for this year prior to TI, cmiiw. Too short for Talon as they only need a few points to qualify. While some teams might be up after gaining a lot of points after this Bali major. But I think that even after this Bali major, Talon will still be able to qualify and get a secured slot for TI. There are already 5 slots secured and Talon is on the 6th place because some teams who are gonna play in Bali are already qualified for the TI and that's not a competition anymore for Talon. But who knows, we'll just have to wait until it ends and see the calculations for the points.

Bali will be the last Major, and Talon is not in a rough spot but also not in a comfortable spot either. Whatever happens in Bali though, Talon will remain to be a strong contender in the SEA region. If ever they dropped to resort to the open qualifiers (which I know wouldn’t happen), they are one of the best teams with the highest chance to edge out other teams.

It’s less than a month before the quiet months start on the road to TI. I’m excited on the new teams that will be born to conquer the open qualifiers honestly more than those who will qualify the yearly tournament.

Yes, unless the teams at the bottom are the ones dominating the upcoming Bali major there is a high chance that Talon will be in TI without further competing in the regional qualifier and the last-chance qualifier. Qualifying again won't be easy for Talon if their DPC points aren't enough since all the current SEA representatives are possible to play as well knowing they need more points and a strong finish in Bali to secure TI slots thru the DPC points system.

The last major of this season is a month less. I am also excited to see the new teams rather than the usual ones.

Execration needs to finish the Bali major at the 5th-6th place the least in order for them to have more than what Talon has. Because their current DPC point now is 740, Talon has 1120. So, if Execration ends with that place they will earn 400 DPC points and that will make it 1140 DPC points and that's more than 20 points with Talon. Or if they end up with 7th-8th place, they'll get +300 DPC points and that makes them 1040 DPC points and they've got more with Team Spirit and beastcoast but the problem is, these two teams are also gonna participate in Bali so they'll for sure gonna have more too. I'm thrilled and excited to see how this will go.

Quote from: inthelongrun on June 08, 2023, 06:14:04 AM

And I wonder if any of us here will be watching live irl. Maybe in the next bull run in 2025 I will try if a major is happening near in my country.

I would love to but I can't, hoping someday that it gets close and I want to watch live too.

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Just watched the series of Execration and Blacklist. They've just battled for the DPC points and placing but both of them are going to the Bali major. Blacklist ended as the 2nd place and Execration as the 3rd and there's the difference of the points they've won by 100.
While Bleed Esports as the 1st place for the DPC Sea. Right now, I'm watching the match of Boom Esports and Army Geniuses, one of them will remain on division 1 and that's whoever wins the series while the loser will be back to division 2. Boom won the 1st game.

Just as people thought that Talon emerged as the region's best team, they now failed to qualify for this season's last major. Talon only needs 40 points to qualify in the TI but now they need the luck to stay in the top 12 DPC ranking which is still very likely. But it signifies that the region remained hotly contested and it is a good sign because they need to up their games in order to compete with the best on the world stage. These 3 teams need to be competitive in Bali as they badly lack the points to qualify for TI.

Another team inside the top 12 that failed to qualify for Bali is TSM and it is almost certain that it will find itself outside the top 12 after the Bali major.

Things will change for those who are chasing to get qualified to TI because of the DPC points that will be distributed for this Bali major. Remember that this is going to be the last major for this year prior to TI, cmiiw. Too short for Talon as they only need a few points to qualify. While some teams might be up after gaining a lot of points after this Bali major. But I think that even after this Bali major, Talon will still be able to qualify and get a secured slot for TI. There are already 5 slots secured and Talon is on the 6th place because some teams who are gonna play in Bali are already qualified for the TI and that's not a competition anymore for Talon. But who knows, we'll just have to wait until it ends and see the calculations for the points.

Bali will be the last Major, and Talon is not in a rough spot but also not in a comfortable spot either. Whatever happens in Bali though, Talon will remain to be a strong contender in the SEA region. If ever they dropped to resort to the open qualifiers (which I know wouldn’t happen), they are one of the best teams with the highest chance to edge out other teams.

It’s less than a month before the quiet months start on the road to TI. I’m excited on the new teams that will be born to conquer the open qualifiers honestly more than those who will qualify the yearly tournament.

Yes, unless the teams at the bottom are the ones dominating the upcoming Bali major there is a high chance that Talon will be in TI without further competing in the regional qualifier and the last-chance qualifier. Qualifying again won't be easy for Talon if their DPC points aren't enough since all the current SEA representatives are possible to play as well knowing they need more points and a strong finish in Bali to secure TI slots thru the DPC points system.

The last major of this season is a month less. I am also excited to see the new teams rather than the usual ones. And I wonder if any of us here will be watching live irl. Maybe in the next bull run in 2025 I will try if a major is happening near in my country.

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Quote from: dothebeats on June 06, 2023, 06:48:53 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on June 06, 2023, 05:05:21 PM

Things will change for those who are chasing to get qualified to TI because of the DPC points that will be distributed for this Bali major. Remember that this is going to be the last major for this year prior to TI, cmiiw. Too short for Talon as they only need a few points to qualify. While some teams might be up after gaining a lot of points after this Bali major. But I think that even after this Bali major, Talon will still be able to qualify and get a secured slot for TI. There are already 5 slots secured and Talon is on the 6th place because some teams who are gonna play in Bali are already qualified for the TI and that's not a competition anymore for Talon. But who knows, we'll just have to wait until it ends and see the calculations for the points.

Bali will be the last Major, and Talon is not in a rough spot but also not in a comfortable spot either. Whatever happens in Bali though, Talon will remain to be a strong contender in the SEA region. If ever they dropped to resort to the open qualifiers (which I know wouldn’t happen), they are one of the best teams with the highest chance to edge out other teams.

It’s less than a month before the quiet months start on the road to TI. I’m excited on the new teams that will be born to conquer the open qualifiers honestly more than those who will qualify the yearly tournament.

Yeah, I have the same feeling that Talon will still secure a slot through having enough DPC points for the TI but let's see how things will change because we'll never know how teams will perform until we see the end of this major. It feels like another year has passed on and that's another quick one while many good teams are still struggling and their last resort is to go through the qualifiers which is the hardest part of going in to have that slot in the TI. How I wish that this TI will still have the wild card but before talking with that, focusing now first with the upcoming major.

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Today we will be kicking off the BLAST premier spring finals with the group a matches. The tournament will officially start in about 4 hours with the Vitality-Imperial match.I think Vitality will have a comfortable win.
In the G2-C9 match, I expect that G2 will win even if it is difficult.In the last match of the day, Heroic-Complexity, I expect heroic to win 2-0.

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Quote from: Distraction on June 06, 2023, 06:43:16 AM

Sometimes I wonder if we will ever see a time in which Korean teams stop dominating League of Legends tournaments. Because for long years this hasn't changed even a bit. Actually not only Korean teams, Chinese teams have also improved themselves a lot. The last MSI tournament was a perfect example for the thing I'm saying.

We saw only Korean and Chinese teams in final rounds of the tournament. EU and NA teams still don't learn their lesson from this at all. They can only beat each other but there is no such thing nearly all the time when it comes to doing the same to Asian teams. I see a big lack of discipline and strategies in EU and NA teams as a result.

There are still a lot of veteran players in the LCK and LPL, so it might take several years to see the western teams dominate the international tournaments. The gap is only widening because the EU and NA veterans are slowly retiring, and the remaining veteran players are underperforming while it's the opposite for the LCK and LPL players. There's still a bit of hope through imports as some of the NA and EU teams are starting to recruit players from the LCK, but it'll take years to build a more competitive team that can match the top teams like T1 and Gen.G.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 05, 2023, 11:41:03 AM

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Just watched the series of Execration and Blacklist. They've just battled for the DPC points and placing but both of them are going to the Bali major. Blacklist ended as the 2nd place and Execration as the 3rd and there's the difference of the points they've won by 100.
While Bleed Esports as the 1st place for the DPC Sea. Right now, I'm watching the match of Boom Esports and Army Geniuses, one of them will remain on division 1 and that's whoever wins the series while the loser will be back to division 2. Boom won the 1st game.

Just as people thought that Talon emerged as the region's best team, they now failed to qualify for this season's last major. Talon only needs 40 points to qualify in the TI but now they need the luck to stay in the top 12 DPC ranking which is still very likely. But it signifies that the region remained hotly contested and it is a good sign because they need to up their games in order to compete with the best on the world stage. These 3 teams need to be competitive in Bali as they badly lack the points to qualify for TI.

Another team inside the top 12 that failed to qualify for Bali is TSM and it is almost certain that it will find itself outside the top 12 after the Bali major.

Things will change for those who are chasing to get qualified to TI because of the DPC points that will be distributed for this Bali major. Remember that this is going to be the last major for this year prior to TI, cmiiw. Too short for Talon as they only need a few points to qualify. While some teams might be up after gaining a lot of points after this Bali major. But I think that even after this Bali major, Talon will still be able to qualify and get a secured slot for TI. There are already 5 slots secured and Talon is on the 6th place because some teams who are gonna play in Bali are already qualified for the TI and that's not a competition anymore for Talon. But who knows, we'll just have to wait until it ends and see the calculations for the points.

Bali will be the last Major, and Talon is not in a rough spot but also not in a comfortable spot either. Whatever happens in Bali though, Talon will remain to be a strong contender in the SEA region. If ever they dropped to resort to the open qualifiers (which I know wouldn’t happen), they are one of the best teams with the highest chance to edge out other teams.

It’s less than a month before the quiet months start on the road to TI. I’m excited on the new teams that will be born to conquer the open qualifiers honestly more than those who will qualify the yearly tournament.

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Quote from: tusandii on June 06, 2023, 03:34:51 AM

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Is there a team that's owned by Indonesia? I know that there are Indonesian players but I don't know that there's such thing in existence. There are notable Indonesian players but the competition is just too tough on Dota 2. Even if you go as a player, it's entirely hard to win a game these days and that's thanks to the new meta that keeps on being updated and no one has that upperhand unless you're experienced and with good teammates. Since Indonesia is part of the SEA, I've just seen the game of Boom Esports and Mansion Army Geniuses, the one that's relegated to division 2 is the Boom Esports. These has got Indonesian players but their offlane was out and was subbed by Mushi, this team has also got notable players but still having hard time retaining their status.

Boom Esport is one of Indonesia's teams and they don't seem to have an impressive championship title but at least there are representatives from Indonesia who can play in the Dota 2 Esport field.
I don't know why Indonesia has never had a prestigious title in the field of Esport and as far as I know, only MPL has become Indonesia's pride in the field of Esport, and even then it was several years ago.

In other esports, they're doing pretty well but Dota 2 is a tough competition in the world of Esports. Sadly with Boom Esports, they're relegated to division 2. Together with Xerxia, they're back there and will have another tough competition to go back to the division but I don't think that we'll see that soon as the next tournaments are going to be invitationals and as well as through regional qualifiers for the TI.

Quote from: tusandii on June 06, 2023, 03:34:51 AM

Talking about the Indonesian Dota 2 team, maybe they can learn more and also add some experience so they can compete with other countries' Dota 2 teams.

Boom is strong and they even won majors but it's just that they've changed roster and they can't keep up with the old roster they've got that has won majors. They should have budgeted that roster until they've been having hard time now.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 05, 2023, 11:41:03 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on June 05, 2023, 07:41:12 AM

Just watched the series of Execration and Blacklist. They've just battled for the DPC points and placing but both of them are going to the Bali major. Blacklist ended as the 2nd place and Execration as the 3rd and there's the difference of the points they've won by 100.
While Bleed Esports as the 1st place for the DPC Sea. Right now, I'm watching the match of Boom Esports and Army Geniuses, one of them will remain on division 1 and that's whoever wins the series while the loser will be back to division 2. Boom won the 1st game.

Just as people thought that Talon emerged as the region's best team, they now failed to qualify for this season's last major. Talon only needs 40 points to qualify in the TI but now they need the luck to stay in the top 12 DPC ranking which is still very likely. But it signifies that the region remained hotly contested and it is a good sign because they need to up their games in order to compete with the best on the world stage. These 3 teams need to be competitive in Bali as they badly lack the points to qualify for TI.

Another team inside the top 12 that failed to qualify for Bali is TSM and it is almost certain that it will find itself outside the top 12 after the Bali major.

Things will change for those who are chasing to get qualified to TI because of the DPC points that will be distributed for this Bali major. Remember that this is going to be the last major for this year prior to TI, cmiiw. Too short for Talon as they only need a few points to qualify. While some teams might be up after gaining a lot of points after this Bali major. But I think that even after this Bali major, Talon will still be able to qualify and get a secured slot for TI. There are already 5 slots secured and Talon is on the 6th place because some teams who are gonna play in Bali are already qualified for the TI and that's not a competition anymore for Talon. But who knows, we'll just have to wait until it ends and see the calculations for the points.

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Sometimes I wonder if we will ever see a time in which Korean teams stop dominating League of Legends tournaments. Because for long years this hasn't changed even a bit. Actually not only Korean teams, Chinese teams have also improved themselves a lot. The last MSI tournament was a perfect example for the thing I'm saying.

We saw only Korean and Chinese teams in final rounds of the tournament. EU and NA teams still don't learn their lesson from this at all. They can only beat each other but there is no such thing nearly all the time when it comes to doing the same to Asian teams. I see a big lack of discipline and strategies in EU and NA teams as a result.

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Quote from: Avirunes on June 05, 2023, 01:00:13 PM

ENCE dominated in the final and I am not surprised by the result. I was actually surprised when MOUZ reached in the finals after defeating Heroic. Well anyway I thought of it as a fluke and well it turned out to be right as ENCE showed pure domination in the finals over MOUZ. All players of ENCE were having a good time in the game and had their respective moments while MOUZ were just clueless.

I absolutely agree.Mouz beating heroic was pure luck and we saw it very easily in the performance of the players in the final match.I expected heroic to make it to the final but it didn't happen as I expected.Fortunately ence didn't surprise me and beat mouz in the final and we can say that he managed to become champion.

Quote from: Avirunes on June 05, 2023, 01:00:13 PM

Well it's not the case everytime. I have seen matches where s1mple, Zywoo had displayed some spectacular plays but despite that they have lost their matches. It's a team game and the impact from every player matters. Sometimes impact from one player is enough and sometime it is not. For a consistent form it is better to have everyone finding some impact inside the game.

In fact, we can say like this; as long as awper has a good performance in the team, at least it is easier for them to win the match.There have been matches where Zywoo or s1mple carried the team alone and I witnessed this.Of course, this is a team game and it is not a game that only looks at awper, but I can say that if awper is on his day that day and his teammates contribute to him as a frag, it makes it easier for the team to win the match.Especially when the contribution of IGLs as frag is high, this turns into a match that becomes easier again.

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Congratulations on winning that bet despite that GG lost this game, they're still now gonna go on Bali and at the same time, they are going to the The International assuring their slot. Well played and well done to them.

Yes, I hope that it really happens so that they can provide enthusiasm and motivation for the Dota team which is owned by Indonesia.
But it seems that the team from Indonesia has never won a prestigious title.

Is there a team that's owned by Indonesia? I know that there are Indonesian players but I don't know that there's such thing in existence. There are notable Indonesian players but the competition is just too tough on Dota 2. Even if you go as a player, it's entirely hard to win a game these days and that's thanks to the new meta that keeps on being updated and no one has that upperhand unless you're experienced and with good teammates. Since Indonesia is part of the SEA, I've just seen the game of Boom Esports and Mansion Army Geniuses, the one that's relegated to division 2 is the Boom Esports. These has got Indonesian players but their offlane was out and was subbed by Mushi, this team has also got notable players but still having hard time retaining their status.

Boom Esport is one of Indonesia's teams and they don't seem to have an impressive championship title but at least there are representatives from Indonesia who can play in the Dota 2 Esport field.
I don't know why Indonesia has never had a prestigious title in the field of Esport and as far as I know, only MPL has become Indonesia's pride in the field of Esport, and even then it was several years ago.
Talking about the Indonesian Dota 2 team, maybe they can learn more and also add some experience so they can compete with other countries' Dota 2 teams.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on June 05, 2023, 04:43:41 PM

If they had Heroic as their opponent in the final stage then I think Heroic would have been the winner of the tournament.

It would have been a tough final but yes if Heroic would have made it into the finals then I also think that after a tough fight Heroic would have emerged as IEM Dallas winners.

Anyway now off to another CS tournament that is about to kick off tomorrow- Blast Spring Final^[1]. Vitality vs Imperial and then G2 vs Cloud 9 is tomorrow's fixture in Group A. Vitality vs Imperial should be an easy win for Vitality given their run of form but G2 vs Cloud 9 is a tough fixture. Both G2 and Cloud9 finished poorly in IEM Dallas and will be hoping to start things strong in the Blast now.

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[1] https://www.hltv.org/events/6972/blast-premier-spring-final-2023

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I wasn't expecting ENCE to win even IEM Dallas. It was such an extra performance by them but they had a much easier opponent in grand final as well. I mean MOUZ are definitely easier than Heroic normally. Yeah interestingly they managed to win the series against Heroic in the semi finals but we wouldn't see this very often. ENCE just went for this opportunity and played really solid. If they had Heroic as their opponent in the final stage then I think Heroic would have been the winner of the tournament.

FaZe were really disappointing by the way. I was actually expecting G2 to win the series against them but it didn't happen. However their journey still ended before reaching grand final. They at least seem better than NaVi these days.

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Ence are giant killers like a few teams were in their times, before the Brazilians under Fallen won the major twice even as beginners they were able to potentially destroy any team seemingly at random. Difference between challenger and winner is the consistency required to beat on all fronts, somehow that is often lacking especially when other teams start to counter strat vs the specific advantages a team might employ. Even now the Brazil teams possess energy which alot of teams find hard to handle the threat of anywhere on the map. Ence kill off Faze quite often, they are kryptonite from what I've read though I dont quite get why.

Apeks vs Sangal a team from Germany, can this be a bet for 2-0 and higher odds for that precise guess. Apeks is weaker on only one map apparently.

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Quote from: tusandii on June 05, 2023, 07:10:42 AM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on June 02, 2023, 05:55:56 PM

Quote from: tusandii on May 31, 2023, 08:44:48 AM

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Congratulations on winning that bet despite that GG lost this game, they're still now gonna go on Bali and at the same time, they are going to the The International assuring their slot. Well played and well done to them.

Yes, I hope that it really happens so that they can provide enthusiasm and motivation for the Dota team which is owned by Indonesia.
But it seems that the team from Indonesia has never won a prestigious title.

Is there a team that's owned by Indonesia? I know that there are Indonesian players but I don't know that there's such thing in existence. There are notable Indonesian players but the competition is just too tough on Dota 2. Even if you go as a player, it's entirely hard to win a game these days and that's thanks to the new meta that keeps on being updated and no one has that upperhand unless you're experienced and with good teammates. Since Indonesia is part of the SEA, I've just seen the game of Boom Esports and Mansion Army Geniuses, the one that's relegated to division 2 is the Boom Esports. These has got Indonesian players but their offlane was out and was subbed by Mushi, this team has also got notable players but still having hard time retaining their status.

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