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January 05, 2018, 08:16:20 AM
evolution is an extremely slow process. Millennia will pass before the evolutionary changes in slow-breeding and slow-growing animals, such as chimpanzees, become noticeable. But scientists have been watching the chimpanzee in nature for only a few decades. Even if these primates now really evolved, like our ancestors millennia ago, we simply would not be able to notice it.
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January 05, 2018, 07:38:35 AM
Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0gFarCfBE
Completely agree... there are many such theories which we have studied in our school days but they are only a bubble... they have got no evidence to prove it...
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January 05, 2018, 06:21:37 AM
This is as plausible as having a monkey sitting in front of a typewriter and ending up producing something useful.

Do you understand bitcoin blockchain technology sir?

Our entire commodity is based on our graphic cards hashing until they produce something useful...

How long do you want the string to be?  Even two or three "useful" short sentences could be created by the bitcoin network in under an hour.  It's all about math.

Produce trillions of generations, and you have Evolution.  Smiley

I'm married to Jennifer Lawrence.

Cool

I do understand blockchain technology, I am a software developer and I am about to start working on a blockchain technology project. I get your point, but keep in mind that the number of computations needed to compute a hash value that is "nice" enough to be considered canonical is incredibly large. Waiting for such a kind of brute force to pay off in nature would probably exceed the expected life span of the universe. And then there is not just one kind of animal out there but many, many of them. The whole thing looks a lot like someone hitting the lottery on a daily basis. Sure, this can happen but how likely is it?

Or even simpler: If nature was able to create an elephant out of dead matter via many steps of evolution, then why can't scientists reproduce these steps in a lab? A whole bunch of people with college degrees should be able to accomplish this, right?

If nature can create black holes why can't a bunch of scientists do it too? Do you realize how stupid your argument is right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

It's not easy, that's why, not to mention that it took millions of years, why would you think science has advanced so far as to create living beings in just a few years?

But scientists sure know exactly how black holes come into existence. And this Abiogenesis stuff doesn't explain anything, if you ask me. It's pretty much like homeopathy, nothing but a whole bunch of unprovable nonsense. Evolution is basically the first attempt to explain why all that many creatures exist. It fails miserably, but at least Darwin tried. I got a feeling it might take a long time before someone comes up with a theory that can be taken seriously. It may take a major breakthrough, pretty much in the neighborhood of quantum physics. Right now we are stuck with about as lame an explanation as there could possibly be.

That's absolutely not true, scientists do not know exactly how black holes work, stop spreading bullshit. Why do you keep talking out of your ass? There are several ongoing experiments for abiogenesis, not ''unprovable nonsense'' https://newatlas.com/recreating-evolution-test-tube/48856/

And evolution is not about explaining how life started from non living matter but how it evolved and it doesn't fail whatsoever. Unless you have an argument for it.
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January 05, 2018, 05:44:17 AM
This is as plausible as having a monkey sitting in front of a typewriter and ending up producing something useful.

Do you understand bitcoin blockchain technology sir?

Our entire commodity is based on our graphic cards hashing until they produce something useful...

How long do you want the string to be?  Even two or three "useful" short sentences could be created by the bitcoin network in under an hour.  It's all about math.

Produce trillions of generations, and you have Evolution.  Smiley

I'm married to Jennifer Lawrence.

Cool

I do understand blockchain technology, I am a software developer and I am about to start working on a blockchain technology project. I get your point, but keep in mind that the number of computations needed to compute a hash value that is "nice" enough to be considered canonical is incredibly large. Waiting for such a kind of brute force to pay off in nature would probably exceed the expected life span of the universe. And then there is not just one kind of animal out there but many, many of them. The whole thing looks a lot like someone hitting the lottery on a daily basis. Sure, this can happen but how likely is it?

Or even simpler: If nature was able to create an elephant out of dead matter via many steps of evolution, then why can't scientists reproduce these steps in a lab? A whole bunch of people with college degrees should be able to accomplish this, right?

If nature can create black holes why can't a bunch of scientists do it too? Do you realize how stupid your argument is right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

It's not easy, that's why, not to mention that it took millions of years, why would you think science has advanced so far as to create living beings in just a few years?

But scientists sure know exactly how black holes come into existence. And this Abiogenesis stuff doesn't explain anything, if you ask me. It's pretty much like homeopathy, nothing but a whole bunch of unprovable nonsense. Evolution is basically the first attempt to explain why all that many creatures exist. It fails miserably, but at least Darwin tried. I got a feeling it might take a long time before someone comes up with a theory that can be taken seriously. It may take a major breakthrough, pretty much in the neighborhood of quantum physics. Right now we are stuck with about as lame an explanation as there could possibly be.
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January 05, 2018, 05:30:42 AM
The theory of evolution is just a crazy attempt to explain what can hardly be explained. I am not religious at all, so I don't believe in a maker / creator or anything quite like that. But it is very hard to explain how all of the creatures on earth have happened to come about just by virtue of sun, rain, temperature, pressure or whatever else. Why has nobody ever witnessed the evolution at work? With that many creatures out there some of them should be turning into something else on a daily basis. The only aspect evolution explains nicely is the survival of the fittest. Everything else remains a big mystery to me. Even worse, nobody can explain how dead matter can be turned into something that is alive. I doubt anyone will ever succeed with this sort of experiment.

Talking out of your ass I see. If you truly know about the theory of evolution you would know that evolution takes a lot of time, hence why no one has observed evolution, although we have. The peppered moth and Live Birth in Three-toed Skinks are classic examples.

It is indeed hard to explain all of this, that's why evolution theory is still updating. There is abiogenesis which tries to explain non living matter to matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

Sure it is supposed to happen slowly, but this is easily offset by the very large number of different animals out there. I also checked out the "evidence". Doesn't convince me at all. I want to hear someone explain how an one-cell organism eventually turns into an elephant. This is as plausible as having a monkey sitting in front of a typewriter and ending up producing something useful.

That's a hard question just like non living matter to living matter. Science is still working on it, there are several proposed explanations for it but we can never know for sure what happened at every exact moment, obviously. I don't think you or badecker understand what evolution is about or what tries to do. It tries to explain the best it can how we got here and yes there are still gaps that need to be filled, we still don't know how many things happened exactly but we do have the proof to show that they happened.

You check the fossils of a horse and then you find other fossils like a horse but with something slightly different and you keep finding older fossils that are slightly different, now from one fossil to another the difference might not be huge but from 10 fossils the difference is huge. This obviously indicates that they evolved, what evolution theory tries to do is explain how they evolved.

And this is not the only evidence for evolution, not even close but if you want to know more, use google.
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January 05, 2018, 05:25:00 AM
This is as plausible as having a monkey sitting in front of a typewriter and ending up producing something useful.

Do you understand bitcoin blockchain technology sir?

Our entire commodity is based on our graphic cards hashing until they produce something useful...

How long do you want the string to be?  Even two or three "useful" short sentences could be created by the bitcoin network in under an hour.  It's all about math.

Produce trillions of generations, and you have Evolution.  Smiley

I'm married to Jennifer Lawrence.

Cool

I do understand blockchain technology, I am a software developer and I am about to start working on a blockchain technology project. I get your point, but keep in mind that the number of computations needed to compute a hash value that is "nice" enough to be considered canonical is incredibly large. Waiting for such a kind of brute force to pay off in nature would probably exceed the expected life span of the universe. And then there is not just one kind of animal out there but many, many of them. The whole thing looks a lot like someone hitting the lottery on a daily basis. Sure, this can happen but how likely is it?

Or even simpler: If nature was able to create an elephant out of dead matter via many steps of evolution, then why can't scientists reproduce these steps in a lab? A whole bunch of people with college degrees should be able to accomplish this, right?

If nature can create black holes why can't a bunch of scientists do it too? Do you realize how stupid your argument is right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

It's not easy, that's why, not to mention that it took millions of years, why would you think science has advanced so far as to create living beings in just a few years?
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January 05, 2018, 05:23:40 AM
I simply cannot believe this. This is again doubting and denying science. It is a proven fact that we're all related to each other.. Yes.. we're also related to a stupid tree.

all living organism on earth share the basic DNA. Thats a fact. So we did not come from heaven. But whatever, believe what you want if it helps you.

edit:

I'm not bullsh!tting on the bible or any religion. I don't believe in any religion - yes. But the bible, for instance, just describes the things as they knew it. Guys.. thats a long way from writing such books to nowadays understanding of life.

Simply Google "evolution is impossible" to see that there are lots of reasons why evolution is impossible.

All of foundational evolution theory is written like it was something you had to believe in to make it true. There are no concrete facts for evolution found by those who actually do the search for evolution. The evidence fits creation better. The few almost-facts for evolution, are things done in the lab, where scientists are the makers... not in nature where the whole thing comes about by natural means. No facts for evolution are found in nature.

On top of all that, cause and effect operates precisely according to the laws of physics. If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it for a fact. Yet evolution theory says that evolutionary changes are done by "random" mutations. This is exactly opposite of cause and effect which we see operating in millions or billions of things, or more.

Evolution is a cute idea that doesn't have any backing outside a lot of talk. In fact, it is the loads of talk that keeps evolution alive as a theory. There are no facts behind evolution. It is a story like any science fiction story, except that it is contributed to by multitudes of people. Evolution is a story that doesn't fit reality.

Because many of the proponents of evolution realize that they have no facts to back evolution up, and yet they keep on saying that evolution is true, evolution has become one of the greatest hoaxes around. Lay (non-scientific) people who believe these evolution proponents, are believers in a religion... the evolution religion.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

I already googled that and it didn't show anything:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27216030

''The evidence fits creation better.'' Literally all dating methods show that creation is false, you know, older than 6-10k thousand years old.
''If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it'' You claimed god is pure randomness, so you did find it.
Also pretty much all science dismisses the bible (creation) : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors

You can google that as well since you like google so much, ''scientific errors in the bible'' There are plenty.

You fail to properly apply what I said regarding whatever it is that you Googled in that top link of yours.

There aren't any mistakes in the bible. There are only people (kinda like you) who twist the meanings of what is written in the Bible, to mean something that the Bible doesn't say.

Cool

The bible is 6k to 10k years old meaning that earth and the universe are just as old, however that has been proven wrong through dozens of different methods of dating, all showing that earth and the universe are far older.

The proof that the earth is older than the bible says - http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm - is based on the same kinds of "ifs" that evolution is based on. The following example simply shows a form of guessing the age of the earth. It is not meant to show actual ways that ice layers are examined and extrapolated into the past.


We know that the layers of ice that have formed over the last 100 years, have formed because of this or that kind of snowfall... or whatever. We know it because we have been recording it for the last hundred years. This means that "if" snowfall existed the same way for the last million years, then the earth is so many million years old.


The thing is, we don't have a clue that the ice layers were always formed in this way. Yet the "if" has been converted into a factual thing by the scientists, or by the media that publishes what the scientists say.

On top of that, the Bible is eye witness reports throughout a very large portion of it. Some of the reasons why this is way stronger than the "ifs" of evolution and scientific ages of the earth are listed hare https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27424435.


Consider. When a car engine is made, they don't make something like a piston and a cylinder that gradually turns into a piston or a cylinder, and then gradually forms into a V-8 engine. Rather, they design the engine and build the engine complete. Then they place it into a car, and run the engine. If there is testing of several designs, they do it before they manufacture the car.

In the same way, if God did something like testing of the universe parts before he made the universe, the tests were separate from the universe. God didn't throw out a bunch of "stuff" and let it evolve into something that works. He threw out the universe in working order. But...

... We won't know it for a fact until we can build a real, working time viewer to take a look. we simply have to believe God (or not), that He did it like He said He did it. This means that although we can extrapolate backwards to some extent, it is incorrect extrapolation the further back we go, because God set the whole thing in place, in 6 days, with appearances that can be interpreted as billions of years, yet with the words of the Bible that tell us what He really did.

Why would God show us a nature that might trick us into believing something the wrong way? Probably several reasons, two of which  are:
1. He wants to find out who will trust what He says so that He knows who to get rid of;
2. He is giving us what we are asking for, independence from God in our thinking, all the while holding us dependent on Him through cause and effect.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Cool

Just like we don't have a clue if cause and effect was always present, thanks for debunking your own argument Cool

Why would we want a clue when we have proof? The proof is the fact that God caused it all through creation, and the fact that scientific proof says that, since we haven't found anything else (like pure random) in multitudes of cause and effect operations, nothing but cause and effect exists.

Cool

Yes we have, you said it yourself, it's god. You already debunked your own argument several times.
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January 05, 2018, 03:45:32 AM
This is as plausible as having a monkey sitting in front of a typewriter and ending up producing something useful.

Do you understand bitcoin blockchain technology sir?

Our entire commodity is based on our graphic cards hashing until they produce something useful...

How long do you want the string to be?  Even two or three "useful" short sentences could be created by the bitcoin network in under an hour.  It's all about math.

Produce trillions of generations, and you have Evolution.  Smiley

I'm married to Jennifer Lawrence.

Cool

I do understand blockchain technology, I am a software developer and I am about to start working on a blockchain technology project. I get your point, but keep in mind that the number of computations needed to compute a hash value that is "nice" enough to be considered canonical is incredibly large. Waiting for such a kind of brute force to pay off in nature would probably exceed the expected life span of the universe. And then there is not just one kind of animal out there but many, many of them. The whole thing looks a lot like someone hitting the lottery on a daily basis. Sure, this can happen but how likely is it?

Or even simpler: If nature was able to create an elephant out of dead matter via many steps of evolution, then why can't scientists reproduce these steps in a lab? A whole bunch of people with college degrees should be able to accomplish this, right?
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January 05, 2018, 03:37:23 AM
Evolution is not true but an enigma theory which I personally called a blind theory of science.
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January 05, 2018, 03:30:11 AM
This is as plausible as having a monkey sitting in front of a typewriter and ending up producing something useful.

Do you understand bitcoin blockchain technology sir?

Our entire commodity is based on our graphic cards hashing until they produce something useful...

How long do you want the string to be?  Even two or three "useful" short sentences could be created by the bitcoin network in under an hour.  It's all about math.

Produce trillions of generations, and you have Evolution.  Smiley

I'm married to Jennifer Lawrence.

Cool
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January 05, 2018, 03:16:28 AM
How many have been the moon?..

So who told us all about the moon  YES scientist that's how we get our information so unless you been there or seen it with your own eyes the only thing we can do is BELIEVE in our scientist..

When your in school how many teachers have been to space ? SO who did they get their information
from  YES scientist ..

So when people say don't believe in the science world who do you believe in  Undecided..
I never been in space have you..

I don't own Hubble do you ..Now a real scientist wants the truth no matter even if he is wrong..
But you can get liars for monies ..Government funded bullshit science ..

But still needs funding WHY?..Because a lot of discoveries come by ACCIDENT ..

So if most scientist say something it will be true..It's all we have to go off..
And that's what they are paid to do DISCOVER and TELL ALL..
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January 05, 2018, 03:01:27 AM
If you need an answer about science type what you seek and the add YOUTUBE at the end Wink..

Now make sure you check multiple sources and add up the fact so many are saying it in the science world
it most probably is true Wink..

Yes just like CLIMATE CHANGE..BUT remember people do want a job..

Oh i have discovered how to make free energy from ant eggs  Wink Cheesy< i got a job didn't i Wink..

Evolution is a fact and everyone knows it ONLY the cabbages don't..
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January 05, 2018, 02:53:27 AM
The theory of evolution is just a crazy attempt to explain what can hardly be explained. I am not religious at all, so I don't believe in a maker / creator or anything quite like that. But it is very hard to explain how all of the creatures on earth have happened to come about just by virtue of sun, rain, temperature, pressure or whatever else. Why has nobody ever witnessed the evolution at work? With that many creatures out there some of them should be turning into something else on a daily basis. The only aspect evolution explains nicely is the survival of the fittest. Everything else remains a big mystery to me. Even worse, nobody can explain how dead matter can be turned into something that is alive. I doubt anyone will ever succeed with this sort of experiment.

Talking out of your ass I see. If you truly know about the theory of evolution you would know that evolution takes a lot of time, hence why no one has observed evolution, although we have. The peppered moth and Live Birth in Three-toed Skinks are classic examples.

It is indeed hard to explain all of this, that's why evolution theory is still updating. There is abiogenesis which tries to explain non living matter to matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

Sure it is supposed to happen slowly, but this is easily offset by the very large number of different animals out there. I also checked out the "evidence". Doesn't convince me at all. I want to hear someone explain how an one-cell organism eventually turns into an elephant. This is as plausible as having a monkey sitting in front of a typewriter and ending up producing something useful.
Evolve your brains to check youtube..

The Origin Of Life: Chemistry + Biology = Abiogenesis - YouTube
Video for 1 cell turning into a living organism▶ 5:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1prZPo4OCL0
1 Oct 2009 - Uploaded by Best0fScience
Please show me the facts that science has produces living cells out of bare elements and letting those cells .
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January 05, 2018, 02:33:51 AM
The theory of evolution is just a crazy attempt to explain what can hardly be explained. I am not religious at all, so I don't believe in a maker / creator or anything quite like that. But it is very hard to explain how all of the creatures on earth have happened to come about just by virtue of sun, rain, temperature, pressure or whatever else. Why has nobody ever witnessed the evolution at work? With that many creatures out there some of them should be turning into something else on a daily basis. The only aspect evolution explains nicely is the survival of the fittest. Everything else remains a big mystery to me. Even worse, nobody can explain how dead matter can be turned into something that is alive. I doubt anyone will ever succeed with this sort of experiment.

Talking out of your ass I see. If you truly know about the theory of evolution you would know that evolution takes a lot of time, hence why no one has observed evolution, although we have. The peppered moth and Live Birth in Three-toed Skinks are classic examples.

It is indeed hard to explain all of this, that's why evolution theory is still updating. There is abiogenesis which tries to explain non living matter to matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

Sure it is supposed to happen slowly, but this is easily offset by the very large number of different animals out there. I also checked out the "evidence". Doesn't convince me at all. I want to hear someone explain how an one-cell organism eventually turns into an elephant. This is as plausible as having a monkey sitting in front of a typewriter and ending up producing something useful.
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January 05, 2018, 02:09:30 AM
The biggest thing SCIENTIST do is theorise about cause and effect..
You do understand cause and effect is to question everything Wink..

What caused it and what was the effect << cause and effect..

A bucket sitting in the sand <
And the funny thing is like i said you believe in your own stuff BUT don't Cheesy..
Example you stop thinking at what caused your god to be here.. <
Now imagine you said god cause is LOVE..
Why do we see another animal shred another animal and eat it in the most cruel way possible..
I mean is that love?..

Human cannibals for thousands of years <
humans become more nicer to each other because of the shop or stall  Wink..
No hunting for food anymore ..It wasn't your shitty fairy tale gods it was the fact we had shops..

And now people kill to spend in the shops instead of killing next village to own the buffalo in the fields..

But those times whole villages got wiped out nowadays people lie cheat steal and murder to spend in the shops<<
SO TELL YOUR GODS...UNIVERSAL INCOME Wink..

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January 05, 2018, 02:04:05 AM
I also don't believe on evolution. If we all came from monkies why I don't hear news that a monkey evolve to become human? We all are created by God. End of discussion.

Yeah that may work on your wife and may have flew a few hundred years ago, but today we question things.

Ignorance assigns "magic" to things it doesn't understand.  Rules have to bend, evidence needs to be ignored and there are a lot of exceptions.  

The simplest solution is Evolution.  No one has yet to propose a better theory.  We have physical proof of it and we have seen it in our lifetimes.  It's just a bonus that Evolution makes sense.  

I'm married to Jennifer Lawrence.

Cool

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January 05, 2018, 01:46:16 AM
I simply cannot believe this. This is again doubting and denying science. It is a proven fact that we're all related to each other.. Yes.. we're also related to a stupid tree.

all living organism on earth share the basic DNA. Thats a fact. So we did not come from heaven. But whatever, believe what you want if it helps you.

edit:

I'm not bullsh!tting on the bible or any religion. I don't believe in any religion - yes. But the bible, for instance, just describes the things as they knew it. Guys.. thats a long way from writing such books to nowadays understanding of life.

Simply Google "evolution is impossible" to see that there are lots of reasons why evolution is impossible.

All of foundational evolution theory is written like it was something you had to believe in to make it true. There are no concrete facts for evolution found by those who actually do the search for evolution. The evidence fits creation better. The few almost-facts for evolution, are things done in the lab, where scientists are the makers... not in nature where the whole thing comes about by natural means. No facts for evolution are found in nature.

On top of all that, cause and effect operates precisely according to the laws of physics. If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it for a fact. Yet evolution theory says that evolutionary changes are done by "random" mutations. This is exactly opposite of cause and effect which we see operating in millions or billions of things, or more.

Evolution is a cute idea that doesn't have any backing outside a lot of talk. In fact, it is the loads of talk that keeps evolution alive as a theory. There are no facts behind evolution. It is a story like any science fiction story, except that it is contributed to by multitudes of people. Evolution is a story that doesn't fit reality.

Because many of the proponents of evolution realize that they have no facts to back evolution up, and yet they keep on saying that evolution is true, evolution has become one of the greatest hoaxes around. Lay (non-scientific) people who believe these evolution proponents, are believers in a religion... the evolution religion.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

I already googled that and it didn't show anything:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27216030

''The evidence fits creation better.'' Literally all dating methods show that creation is false, you know, older than 6-10k thousand years old.
''If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it'' You claimed god is pure randomness, so you did find it.
Also pretty much all science dismisses the bible (creation) : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors

You can google that as well since you like google so much, ''scientific errors in the bible'' There are plenty.

You fail to properly apply what I said regarding whatever it is that you Googled in that top link of yours.

There aren't any mistakes in the bible. There are only people (kinda like you) who twist the meanings of what is written in the Bible, to mean something that the Bible doesn't say.

Cool

The bible is 6k to 10k years old meaning that earth and the universe are just as old, however that has been proven wrong through dozens of different methods of dating, all showing that earth and the universe are far older.

The proof that the earth is older than the bible says - http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm - is based on the same kinds of "ifs" that evolution is based on. The following example simply shows a form of guessing the age of the earth. It is not meant to show actual ways that ice layers are examined and extrapolated into the past.


We know that the layers of ice that have formed over the last 100 years, have formed because of this or that kind of snowfall... or whatever. We know it because we have been recording it for the last hundred years. This means that "if" snowfall existed the same way for the last million years, then the earth is so many million years old.


The thing is, we don't have a clue that the ice layers were always formed in this way. Yet the "if" has been converted into a factual thing by the scientists, or by the media that publishes what the scientists say.

On top of that, the Bible is eye witness reports throughout a very large portion of it. Some of the reasons why this is way stronger than the "ifs" of evolution and scientific ages of the earth are listed hare https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27424435.


Consider. When a car engine is made, they don't make something like a piston and a cylinder that gradually turns into a piston or a cylinder, and then gradually forms into a V-8 engine. Rather, they design the engine and build the engine complete. Then they place it into a car, and run the engine. If there is testing of several designs, they do it before they manufacture the car.

In the same way, if God did something like testing of the universe parts before he made the universe, the tests were separate from the universe. God didn't throw out a bunch of "stuff" and let it evolve into something that works. He threw out the universe in working order. But...

... We won't know it for a fact until we can build a real, working time viewer to take a look. we simply have to believe God (or not), that He did it like He said He did it. This means that although we can extrapolate backwards to some extent, it is incorrect extrapolation the further back we go, because God set the whole thing in place, in 6 days, with appearances that can be interpreted as billions of years, yet with the words of the Bible that tell us what He really did.

Why would God show us a nature that might trick us into believing something the wrong way? Probably several reasons, two of which  are:
1. He wants to find out who will trust what He says so that He knows who to get rid of;
2. He is giving us what we are asking for, independence from God in our thinking, all the while holding us dependent on Him through cause and effect.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Cool

Just like we don't have a clue if cause and effect was always present, thanks for debunking your own argument Cool

Why would we want a clue when we have proof? The proof is the fact that God caused it all through creation, and the fact that scientific proof says that, since we haven't found anything else (like pure random) in multitudes of cause and effect operations, nothing but cause and effect exists.

Cool
So what caused your GOD?..You said everything has a cause and your right Wink..

Why because for it to be here it has to have a cause Wink..

Example ..You walk from one corner of the room to the other  what was the cause and effect?..

The cause was many things the fact you moved was the cause so was it to cold?    was it to hot?
was something going to fall?..

The effect of you moving ..You used up energy meaning you burned calories     
you found a better spot to catch the sun ..
You saved yourself from something falling on your head..
Better shadow..

See a leaf blowing in the wind has a cause and effect..
If you no it to be there then it has a cause and effect..

Now you believe god to be here so what was the cause and effect for him to be here?..
See you only tell us the EFFECT..No cause  Huh..

And even you agree everything has a cause and effect..SO WHAT CAUSED YOUR GOD?..


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January 04, 2018, 11:20:35 PM
I also don't believe on evolution. If we all came from monkies why I don't hear news that a monkey evolve to become human? We all are created by God. End of discussion.
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January 04, 2018, 09:38:58 PM
Consider. When a car engine is made, they don't make something like a piston and a cylinder that gradually turns into a piston or a cylinder, and then gradually forms into a V-8 engine. Rather, they design the engine and build the engine complete. Then they place it into a car, and run the engine. If there is testing of several designs, they do it before they manufacture the car.

You need to finish the analogy. The car gets released to the public. The public (environment) uses/abuses it. Then the next iteration of the car is made with feedback from this environment about what works and doesn't work, with a view to selling (reproducing) as many of that car as possible. Like evolution. If your analogy was true we'd all still be driving wood-wheeled horseless carriages. And just like evolution there are different branches of that tree that were more or less successful in adapting to the environment, like the monocycle or hovercraft. The modern car shares ancestry with those vehicles but does not come directly from them.
... none of these engines evolves in the sense that a hunk of metal forms itself into a a partial cylinder with a partial piston. There is no reason for that. Everybody knows that such a thing doesn't work... or happen.

They don't reproduce into a viable product line (or species), doesn't mean they don't exist as factory rejects. In evolution the time scales are vast. There can be a hundred million rejects for every viable mutation and history will have no record of them because they did not reproduce.

What you say might be a proof for devolution, but not a proof for evolution. Until we find a non-cause-and-effect mutation, or even a non-cause-and-effect operation, somewhere in the universe, we don't have a clue, and certainly not evidence or proof, that evolution exists... at least not according to evolution theory, which requires randomness (spontaneity without cause).

Making scientific theories is a good thing. Believing them to be factual when it is not known that they are, is stupid. Supporting something like evolution when the theory of it has been proven impossible, and no real evidence for it has been found in over 200 years, is utterly stupid.

Keep the idea. Keep on looking for evolution. But believe it is true when some real proof is found. Believing evolution is true when there is no evidence except a bunch of unprovable talk that says it is true, is stupid.

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January 04, 2018, 09:31:00 PM
Evolution theory was an old hypothetical curiosity question to the creation of human being. This theory is impossible to take place. Monkey is monkey. Man is man. I didn't heard a news in my whole life that there was a monkey became human. Assuming that this is true so it means our ancestors were came from evolution. Therefore we are all monkey. But regardless of what goods reasons are I didn't accept this theory. By the way there was a book that I have been read that Mr. Charles Darwin withdrawn his theory that it was not true that human are from monkey. If I'm not mistaken he added that human beings were created by the super power man. Therefore man came from man. Evolution is totally a hoax.
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