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legendary
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January 04, 2019, 09:59:37 AM
Simply, adaptation is programmed - DNA programming - rules for change, so that the adapting creature can fit environment changes.

Evolution is the change from one kind of creature to another.

Cause and effect show that everything in the universe is programmed, including the way we think. Since we have been programmed to think one way or another, there absolutely can't be any evolution without changing the definition of evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

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Ok you're dumb and put on ignore. Cheers.
legendary
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January 04, 2019, 09:51:53 AM
Again, there are countless forms and methods of adaptation that are not evolution in the sense of this thread. Evolution has no proof for its existence. It has a lot of talk behind it, but no proof.

In addition, if evolution existed, why would it have to be adaptation? It wouldn't, necessarily. The words natural selection indicate some choice involved. Choice doesn't always have to be adaptation.

In all this talk, what is and where is the proof that evolution exists, and that the observations that many people call evolution are really evolution, and not something else without evolution? After all, the word evolution can mean something like the industrial evolution. But that is not the kind of evolution we are talking about. We are talking about a kind of evolution where one kind of plant or animal changes into another, completely different, kind. This doesn't exist. Show the proof that the adaptation is this kind of evolution, and not simple change, the programming for which is built right in the DNA, etc.

Evolution is a hoax.

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You haven't define the difference you make between evolution and adaptation. If you don't we can't discuss because from my point of view you're just saying "blue isn't really blue there is no proof that blue is blue".

Evolution = adaptation of a species to its environment over the course of time.

If you want to talk about something else you'll have to define what you mean by evolution or adaptation.

Simply, adaptation is programmed - DNA programming - rules for change, so that the adapting creature can fit environment changes.

Evolution is the change from one kind of creature to another.

Cause and effect show that everything in the universe is programmed, including the way we think. Since we have been programmed to think one way or another, there absolutely can't be any evolution without changing the definition of evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool
legendary
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January 04, 2019, 09:38:08 AM
Again, there are countless forms and methods of adaptation that are not evolution in the sense of this thread. Evolution has no proof for its existence. It has a lot of talk behind it, but no proof.

In addition, if evolution existed, why would it have to be adaptation? It wouldn't, necessarily. The words natural selection indicate some choice involved. Choice doesn't always have to be adaptation.

In all this talk, what is and where is the proof that evolution exists, and that the observations that many people call evolution are really evolution, and not something else without evolution? After all, the word evolution can mean something like the industrial evolution. But that is not the kind of evolution we are talking about. We are talking about a kind of evolution where one kind of plant or animal changes into another, completely different, kind. This doesn't exist. Show the proof that the adaptation is this kind of evolution, and not simple change, the programming for which is built right in the DNA, etc.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

You haven't define the difference you make between evolution and adaptation. If you don't we can't discuss because from my point of view you're just saying "blue isn't really blue there is no proof that blue is blue".

Evolution = adaptation of a species to its environment over the course of time.

If you want to talk about something else you'll have to define what you mean by evolution or adaptation.
legendary
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January 04, 2019, 09:30:09 AM
We need a reason to believe evolution. We need some example of it happening that is not just words... and not simply some engineered genetics. Here's what we need.

We need Critter A that we think evolved into Critter B. Then we need the DNA of Critter A, and the changed DNA of it's offspring, baby Critter A+. Then we need the DNA from the grandchild - baby Critter A++. We need the whole line of DNA, showing how the changes came about, until it was finally Critter B.

We don't have anything close to the above.

Everything we have so far can be explained by adaptation, like-begets-like, and simple change. We don't have one thing where a critter changes into another critter, naturally.

But, even if we DID find one critter that changed into another, we would still have to find a whole bunch of them to even begin to suggest that evolution is the way present-day critters - plants and animals - came about.

We are so far from this that we might as well say...

Evolution is a hoax.

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If only we could document the spontaneous generation of just 1 complex life form then you would prove evolution is a hoax and god is real, unfortunately we have 0 examples of spontaneous generation like god supposedly did it and we have thousands of examples of evolution.

This doesn't really even make sense.

We don't know if God used spontaneous generation or not. All we know is that God is the Cause for life and everything else. God made it all. How He did it is not known, scientifically or otherwise, other than that He spoke it all into existence.

The only examples of critters changing from one kind to another is in the words of people. We have no proven examples of it. The only science used that might come close to proof is political science, which includes the use of lies when necessary, to make the politics work. The basic proof for evolution we would need is shown here - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49036647 - which is quoted above.



Everything we have so far can be explained by adaptation, like-begets-like, and simple change. We don't have one thing where a critter changes into another critter, naturally.

What?
But... Adaptation IS evolution.
That's like literaly the same thing.
Evolution is the selection of species based on what is most adapted to its environment...

What would be the difference between adaptation and evolution for you? Because evolution is EXACTLY adaptation but on bigger time frames.

He is a knucklehead, I explained that to him like 20 times. Adaption through generations is evolution. Yes adaption itself is not evolution if it happens once and it's not passed through generations but since it is passed many times, it is evolution.

Yeah that's like... The basic definition!
If some parts of the species adapt well to an environment they will have more offsprings hence spreading their genes faster hence it leads to the evolution os the species Oo

If you accept adaptation BADecker then you accept evolution for the simple reason that they are the same thing.

Or be my guest and define what is different between adaptation and evolution...

Again, there are countless forms and methods of adaptation that are not evolution in the sense of this thread. Evolution has no proof for its existence. It has a lot of talk behind it, but no proof.

In addition, if evolution existed, why would it have to be adaptation? It wouldn't, necessarily. The words natural selection indicate some choice involved. Choice doesn't always have to be adaptation.

In all this talk, what is and where is the proof that evolution exists, and that the observations that many people call evolution are really evolution, and not something else without evolution? After all, the word evolution can mean something like the industrial evolution. But that is not the kind of evolution we are talking about. We are talking about a kind of evolution where one kind of plant or animal changes into another, completely different, kind. This doesn't exist. Show the proof that the adaptation is this kind of evolution, and not simple change, the programming for which is built right in the DNA, etc.

Evolution is a hoax.

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jr. member
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December 30, 2018, 10:51:36 AM
Evolution is a hoax

We were all created by a magic wand.
legendary
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January 04, 2019, 08:44:02 AM
Everything we have so far can be explained by adaptation, like-begets-like, and simple change. We don't have one thing where a critter changes into another critter, naturally.

What?
But... Adaptation IS evolution.
That's like literaly the same thing.
Evolution is the selection of species based on what is most adapted to its environment...

What would be the difference between adaptation and evolution for you? Because evolution is EXACTLY adaptation but on bigger time frames.

He is a knucklehead, I explained that to him like 20 times. Adaption through generations is evolution. Yes adaption itself is not evolution if it happens once and it's not passed through generations but since it is passed many times, it is evolution.

Yeah that's like... The basic definition!
If some parts of the species adapt well to an environment they will have more offsprings hence spreading their genes faster hence it leads to the evolution os the species Oo

If you accept adaptation BADecker then you accept evolution for the simple reason that they are the same thing.

Or be my guest and define what is different between adaptation and evolution...
hero member
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January 04, 2019, 08:37:26 AM
Everything we have so far can be explained by adaptation, like-begets-like, and simple change. We don't have one thing where a critter changes into another critter, naturally.

What?
But... Adaptation IS evolution.
That's like literaly the same thing.
Evolution is the selection of species based on what is most adapted to its environment...

What would be the difference between adaptation and evolution for you? Because evolution is EXACTLY adaptation but on bigger time frames.

He is a knucklehead, I explained that to him like 20 times. Adaption through generations is evolution. Yes adaption itself is not evolution if it happens once and it's not passed through generations but since it is passed many times, it is evolution.
legendary
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January 04, 2019, 08:35:45 AM
Everything we have so far can be explained by adaptation, like-begets-like, and simple change. We don't have one thing where a critter changes into another critter, naturally.

What?
But... Adaptation IS evolution.
That's like literaly the same thing.
Evolution is the selection of species based on what is most adapted to its environment...

What would be the difference between adaptation and evolution for you? Because evolution is EXACTLY adaptation but on bigger time frames.
hero member
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January 04, 2019, 06:20:23 AM
We need a reason to believe evolution. We need some example of it happening that is not just words... and not simply some engineered genetics. Here's what we need.

We need Critter A that we think evolved into Critter B. Then we need the DNA of Critter A, and the changed DNA of it's offspring, baby Critter A+. Then we need the DNA from the grandchild - baby Critter A++. We need the whole line of DNA, showing how the changes came about, until it was finally Critter B.

We don't have anything close to the above.

Everything we have so far can be explained by adaptation, like-begets-like, and simple change. We don't have one thing where a critter changes into another critter, naturally.

But, even if we DID find one critter that changed into another, we would still have to find a whole bunch of them to even begin to suggest that evolution is the way present-day critters - plants and animals - came about.

We are so far from this that we might as well say...

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

If only we could document the spontaneous generation of just 1 complex life form then you would prove evolution is a hoax and god is real, unfortunately we have 0 examples of spontaneous generation like god supposedly did it and we have thousands of examples of evolution.
legendary
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January 03, 2019, 07:28:48 PM
We need a reason to believe evolution. We need some example of it happening that is not just words... and not simply some engineered genetics. Here's what we need.

We need Critter A that we think evolved into Critter B. Then we need the DNA of Critter A, and the changed DNA of it's offspring, baby Critter A+. Then we need the DNA from the grandchild - baby Critter A++. We need the whole line of DNA, showing how the changes came about, until it was finally Critter B.

We don't have anything close to the above.

Everything we have so far can be explained by adaptation, like-begets-like, and simple change. We don't have one thing where a critter changes into another critter, naturally.

But, even if we DID find one critter that changed into another, we would still have to find a whole bunch of them to even begin to suggest that evolution is the way present-day critters - plants and animals - came about.

We are so far from this that we might as well say...

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool
member
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January 03, 2019, 02:38:49 PM
It's not about who believes what, there are many Christians who have inconsistent arguments that's undeniable, so are atheists, that's also undeniable. What's really inconsistent reasoning is believing spontaneous generation exists. That alone contradicts science. Believing a science that contradicts science makes no sense. Evolution as modern science explains it rests on the idea living can come from non living.

I completely agree. We need to have reason to believe, not want to believe something because we are biased one way or another.
newbie
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January 03, 2019, 01:35:40 PM
It's not about who believes what, there are many Christians who have inconsistent arguments that's undeniable, so are atheists, that's also undeniable. What's really inconsistent reasoning is believing spontaneous generation exists. That alone contradicts science. Believing a science that contradicts science makes no sense. Evolution as modern science explains it rests on the idea living can come from non living.
legendary
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December 29, 2018, 05:42:39 PM
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Can you be a Christian and Believe in Evolution?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pwnerL8M1pE

The one theme throughout the video is the idea that there is random. Actually, there is no random. When people think there is random, it's because they can't see all the causes. If they can't see all the causes, how can they think that they are seeing evolution? All they are doing is equating evolution with creation without knowing that they are doing it. Let's get down to the basics, and simply call it creation like it is.

Looking at this a little more deeply, consider 5 genes, only one of which can be turned on. What causes the one that is turned on to be the one that is turned on? Why not one of the other genes? Evolutionists will say that it is simply random action which moves a gene and not the others. Why do they say random?

They call it random, because they don't see, know, or understand the cause that turns a particular gene on without turning the others on. There isn't any random, or pure random as this would have to be if there were no particular cause(s).

There is no spontaneous generation of anything that has ever been proven to be such. Therefore a knowledgeable Christian cannot believe in evolution. A weak thinker can make the mistake of believing in something that is not true... and still be a Christian. But if he doesn't believe God above contradictory beliefs, he is in danger of losing his Christianity.

So, who is the child who is being brainwashed? The one who is taught that there is no evolution, or the one who is taught that there is?

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legendary
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December 27, 2018, 03:29:56 PM
There's only micro evolution, there are no proofs macro evolution exists.

We still don't know for sure if microevolution fits evolution theory evolution or not.

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newbie
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December 27, 2018, 01:35:01 PM
There's only micro evolution, there are no proofs macro evolution exists.
legendary
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December 26, 2018, 02:00:24 PM
Evolution works, just like abiogenesis. Or to say it another way, evolution is simply an extension of abiogenesis.

Origin: Probability of a Single Protein Forming by Chance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1_KEVaCyaA


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legendary
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December 26, 2018, 01:48:56 PM
evolution is a good religion for those that fear all types of gods and divinities.

What is amazing is that so many people simply accept evolution without really questioning it. when the question it, they don't see that all of evolution is talk. None of it is proof for evolution. Sure, there is proof of something. There is all that digging going on. But none of it really matches evolution theory. They only say it does.

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December 26, 2018, 01:44:22 PM
evolution is a good religion for those that fear all types of gods and divinities.
legendary
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December 26, 2018, 01:06:24 PM

How in the world dense are you? You ask a stupid, simple question, and I give you a simple answer. You asked the simple question of what my explanation of the interesting discovery was. I gave you the simple answer, that evolution is a hoax.

Now you act like you asked me of why I think that soft tissue survived millions of years. Such wasn't what you asked the first time. Yet you deride me for answering your first question with the simple answer that that question deserved.

To say it plainly, as the video expressed, the soft tissue didn't survive for millions of years. The video says it look like tissue from the times of ancient Egypt. There isn't any millions of years. The earth is less than 7,000 years old according to best guesstimates of any scientist.

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That is not what science says.  I just wanted to hear from you one more time that Earth is less than 7,000 years old, ROFL.

https://phys.org/news/2018-11-toast-proteins-dinosaur-bones.html


You have things mixed up. What science says is not always what scientists say. Science absolutely says that anything beyond about 5,000 years is not known for sure. Scientists agree when they say that to the best of their knowledge the earth is billions of years old. They know that the best of their knowledge can be easily mistaken on this subject... because of things they haven't taken into account.

The facts of dead, soft tissue not being able to last more than a few days, at most, without degradation, is common knowledge. Take any dead animal and place it underground. Dig it up a weak later and see the decay. Dig it up a year later, and you will have a hard time recognizing it.

Decayed dinosaur tissue would decay just as fast as any dead animal. But freeze the animal, and it might last for an indefinite period of time... but not millions of years.

Your evolution is failing you. Why?

Evolution is a hoax.

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Then the dinosaurs should be running around a few days ago.  ROFL.

Perhaps they are, somewhere on earth. But why do you think that 4 thousand or 5 thousand year old dinosaur tissue suggests that they are running around today? We have evidence of many species going extinct? Why would you think that the dinosaurs wouldn't?

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legendary
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December 26, 2018, 12:56:14 PM

How in the world dense are you? You ask a stupid, simple question, and I give you a simple answer. You asked the simple question of what my explanation of the interesting discovery was. I gave you the simple answer, that evolution is a hoax.

Now you act like you asked me of why I think that soft tissue survived millions of years. Such wasn't what you asked the first time. Yet you deride me for answering your first question with the simple answer that that question deserved.

To say it plainly, as the video expressed, the soft tissue didn't survive for millions of years. The video says it look like tissue from the times of ancient Egypt. There isn't any millions of years. The earth is less than 7,000 years old according to best guesstimates of any scientist.

Cool

That is not what science says.  I just wanted to hear from you one more time that Earth is less than 7,000 years old, ROFL.

https://phys.org/news/2018-11-toast-proteins-dinosaur-bones.html


You have things mixed up. What science says is not always what scientists say. Science absolutely says that anything beyond about 5,000 years is not known for sure. Scientists agree when they say that to the best of their knowledge the earth is billions of years old. They know that the best of their knowledge can be easily mistaken on this subject... because of things they haven't taken into account.

The facts of dead, soft tissue not being able to last more than a few days, at most, without degradation, is common knowledge. Take any dead animal and place it underground. Dig it up a weak later and see the decay. Dig it up a year later, and you will have a hard time recognizing it.

Decayed dinosaur tissue would decay just as fast as any dead animal. But freeze the animal, and it might last for an indefinite period of time... but not millions of years.

Your evolution is failing you. Why?

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

Then the dinosaurs should be running around a few days ago.  ROFL.
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