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legendary
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October 18, 2018, 03:25:47 AM

All you are saying is that there isn't proof for anything, because things might be different somewhere else.

Right here, there isn't even one example of pure random or evolution. But there are lots of examples of C&E, adaptation, like-begets-like, and simple change.

You are certainly welcome to head out there to find some proof for random and evolution if you want. Have a nice journey.

Evolution is a hoax, and you are continuing to prove it.

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We have great knowledge how genetic mutations are caused, that they are random, and that they lead to new/different traits being passed on to the next generation. We also know how natural selection works and can see it happening all the time in species with short generation times.   These are all things that are so easily replicable that it is being done in most high school level classes and up.  
But none of these things show us evolution into a new kind of creature. In addition, creating settings for change in a petri dish, is creating, not evolving.



There isn't "proof" of a scientific theory.  You need to understand that scientific theories don't need to be something that we have proof of.  The entire concept of science is crafting an explanation based on the evidence and all of the evidence supports the theory of evolution.  
This is exactly the point. Science theory exists to pass on ideas, not to prove that something is factual. Once in a while some science theory is tested in just the right way, and is found to be fact... which takes it out of the realm of science theory.

Evolution theory is just like that. Evolution theory takes a bunch of facts about nature, and tries to say that evolution is real. By the definition of science theory, evolution is real in science theory only... not in the reality of nature. So far, evolution is in the realm of science theory. It isn't a fact of nature. So, why is it touted as being a fact of nature?





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The point is that if people seriously look at the alternate possibility(ies), evolution becomes a not so grandiose of an idea. So, why is evolution promoted as reality? Nobody knows it is reality. Everybody who thinks it is, is denying a whole lot of alternative thinking. Saying fact, when fact is not known, is the thing that makes evolution to be a hoax.
Its not that scientists ignore other explanations, its just that no other explanation has evidence that even comes close to the comprehensive mountain of evidence we have suggesting evolution.  To "prove" evolution with the standards you are referencing, you would need a time machine, so that is a very unscientific argument.

Science still can't tell the difference between adaptation and "programmed" change in like-begets-like. However, if they DID find something that really could be classified as evolution in some petri dish, there is STILL no way to extrapolate backwards into the fossil record to show which of the creatures were evolving and which were not. The two basic reasons why evolution is not proven are: 1) no DNA to check it out the fossil record for sure; 2) C&E means programming, which means that everything was set up to act as it does, and evolution theory is exceptionally hazy on this reality.

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Evolution theory is the best explanation we have for the diversity of life on Earth and how all life shares DNA and gets progressively more complicated.  This theory is supported by a vast amount of observational data to a point that it is considered a fact by the scientific community.

If you have an alternative scientific theory, let's hear it.

Otherwise, I suggest you stop calling it a hoax.  It is like calling the General Theory of Relativity or Theory of Gravity a hoax.  This puts you in the notbatman bin.

If you think you are above the great scientific minds, prove it.  Submit your paper and win a Nobel Prize.

PS. Just because it invalidates your Bible does not mean it is a hoax.  It just means that your Bible got this scientific fact wrong, like many others.  Don't be angry at science.  Science does not care what anyone wrote in some book. Science uncovers the truth, whatever that truth is.
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November 05, 2018, 07:05:20 PM
To the pro evolution people on this forum, I would like to ask a question and that’s why hasn’t there been an remarkable form of evolution in the last 1000 years.

There have.  Antibiotic resistance is a form of evolution by natural selection.  New "superbugs" are forming at an alarming rate due to the increase in use of antibiotics.  Our old antibiotics don't work against the evolved bacteria.  

legendary
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October 23, 2018, 11:03:48 AM
Adaptation, like-begets-like, and simple change, fit nature far better than does evolution.

DuckDuckGo search on "evolution is impossible" to see why.

Cause and effect in everything, acting with exact precision, shows that everything is programmed.

The thing that is necessary for proof of evolution:
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So, how can we tell that evolution is factual? We can't duplicate all the forces involved, because we don't know them. But if we knew them, we still wouldn't even know how to measure all of them. But if we could measure all of them in the present, what does that have to do with the DNA measurements we would need from countless creatures over the thousands of years that evolution supposedly took place in the past? But even if we were able to take these DNA measurements from the distant past, we would still have to find a chain of DNA changes over thousands of years, that would provide a truly beneficial change in some creature by turning it into a better creature. If we don't find this stuff, we don't know that evolution happened. But even if we know that evolving does happen, we would need this stuff to show that evolution was a substantial reason for some of the creatures that we have. And if we found out that it was, we would still have to determine that there wasn't some form of creation or something else... just to say that evolution was how it all happened.

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Since evolution has not been factually proven to exist, and since there is a lot that has shown that evolution is impossible, proves that...

Evolution is a hoax.

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legendary
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October 22, 2018, 11:41:34 PM
Evolution is 'how it works' and is about as close to a 'fact' as it gets in science.

The arguments I've heard from the religionist side of things are laughably childish and absurd.  The tend to demonstrate a very shaky grasp of almost any of the fundamental elements of scientific pursuit.

That said, 'the theory of evolution' has been used by countless scumbags to justify some of the most disgusting actions that humans have ever undertaken.  Many of these have been performed by so-called 'atheists' who are more likely to agree with the basic tenets of the theory than your average bible-thumping Christian, but it is more common that people who want to justify their actions under their brand of spirituality find in the theory of evolution an excuse to 'do evil' and a way to justify it.  I don't consider such people to be 'atheists'.  Far from it.

I think that it is pissing into the wind for Christians to deny something such as the theory of evolution in hopes that by the theory being wrong, the shitty things people use it for will vanish.  At best they would find some other justification.  It might be worth noting that religious people who have a compulsion to do shitty things find their own justifications for it.  Some religious people have it easier than others...especially those who have a talmud and a zohar.

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October 22, 2018, 03:43:11 PM
To the pro evolution people on this forum, I would like to ask a question and that’s why hasn’t there been an remarkable form of evolution in the last 1000 years.

The 1000 years window is very small on the evolutionary scale to see any significant morphological changes.  There were some evolutionary changes in humans in the last 2,000-10,000 years:

https://www.fastcompany.com/3064907/over-the-last-2000-years-humans-have-evolved-in-some-surprising-ways

http://mentalfloss.com/article/30795/5-signs-humans-are-still-evolving

Evolution is happening right now in all species, not just humans.

This is precisely why evolution is such a good religion. 1000 years is nothing in evolution. So, nobody can test DNA over the last 10,000 years to see if there really was any evolution. Modern science has been around (sort of) for the last 300 years. Absolutely no way to prove for evolution is such a short time as that.

But that's what evolutionists like. It gives them a job, always looking for proof where and in ways they can never find it. It allows them to change theory (doctrine) to suit their whims. And most of all, it lets them feel good about themselves... when people praise them for their great thinking and hard work.

Well, the evolution religion is dying, right now. More and more people are recognizing it for the scam that it is. Many schools don't require more than a single credit for it any longer, and the only reason they require that, is so that they look good in the eyes of schools that require more.

Evolution is a complete hoax... except where it is a religion.

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''Well, the evolution religion is dying, right now. More and more people are recognizing it for the scam that it is''

A 2009 poll by Pew Research Center found that "Nearly all scientists (97%) say humans and other living things have evolved over time




You still trust the polls? Or are you making them up? LOL. Does it matter? I mean, even if scientists are turning away from the formal religions, towards the evolution religion and other science religions, they are still people... religious beings.

The fact that evolution has never been proven -
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So, how can we tell that evolution is factual? We can't duplicate all the forces involved, because we don't know them. But if we knew them, we still wouldn't even know how to measure all of them. But if we could measure all of them in the present, what does that have to do with the DNA measurements we would need from countless creatures over the thousands of years that evolution supposedly took place in the past? But even if we were able to take these DNA measurements from the distant past, we would still have to find a chain of DNA changes over thousands of years, that would provide a truly beneficial change in some creature by turning it into a better creature. If we don't find this stuff, we don't know that evolution happened. But even if we know that evolving does happen, we would need this stuff to show that evolution was a substantial reason for some of the creatures that we have. And if we found out that it was, we would still have to determine that there wasn't some form of creation or something else... just to say that evolution was how it all happened.

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- simply shows how much scientists are like all people - religious - even though they don't realize it.


Evolution is a hoax.

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October 21, 2018, 05:22:30 PM
To the pro evolution people on this forum, I would like to ask a question and that’s why hasn’t there been an remarkable form of evolution in the last 1000 years.

The 1000 years window is very small on the evolutionary scale to see any significant morphological changes.  There were some evolutionary changes in humans in the last 2,000-10,000 years:

https://www.fastcompany.com/3064907/over-the-last-2000-years-humans-have-evolved-in-some-surprising-ways

http://mentalfloss.com/article/30795/5-signs-humans-are-still-evolving

Evolution is happening right now in all species, not just humans.

This is precisely why evolution is such a good religion. 1000 years is nothing in evolution. So, nobody can test DNA over the last 10,000 years to see if there really was any evolution. Modern science has been around (sort of) for the last 300 years. Absolutely no way to prove for evolution is such a short time as that.

But that's what evolutionists like. It gives them a job, always looking for proof where and in ways they can never find it. It allows them to change theory (doctrine) to suit their whims. And most of all, it lets them feel good about themselves... when people praise them for their great thinking and hard work.

Well, the evolution religion is dying, right now. More and more people are recognizing it for the scam that it is. Many schools don't require more than a single credit for it any longer, and the only reason they require that, is so that they look good in the eyes of schools that require more.

Evolution is a complete hoax... except where it is a religion.

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''Well, the evolution religion is dying, right now. More and more people are recognizing it for the scam that it is''

A 2009 poll by Pew Research Center found that "Nearly all scientists (97%) say humans and other living things have evolved over time


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October 21, 2018, 09:53:39 AM
The place was Sussex, England, in a rural town called Piltdown. Sometime in the early 1900s, somebody took human skull fragments and an orangutan mandible (jawbone), stained all items with a variety of chemical cocktails, and buried them in a gravel pit. The unknown person also filed the teeth in the mandible and excised apish features from the bone. The perpetrator obtained various mammal bones and teeth, some authentic specimens from the Pleistocene and Pliocene epochs of geologic time, and scattered them throughout the pit to make everything appear roughly 1 million years old. Finally, the perpetrator threw in some bogus flint tools, the master plan being to create the long-sought 'missing link' between humans and apes. (For a timeline of the Piltdown discoveries and important events,
legendary
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October 21, 2018, 04:29:55 PM
To the pro evolution people on this forum, I would like to ask a question and that’s why hasn’t there been an remarkable form of evolution in the last 1000 years.

The 1000 years window is very small on the evolutionary scale to see any significant morphological changes.  There were some evolutionary changes in humans in the last 2,000-10,000 years:

https://www.fastcompany.com/3064907/over-the-last-2000-years-humans-have-evolved-in-some-surprising-ways

http://mentalfloss.com/article/30795/5-signs-humans-are-still-evolving

Evolution is happening right now in all species, not just humans.

This is precisely why evolution is such a good religion. 1000 years is nothing in evolution. So, nobody can test DNA over the last 10,000 years to see if there really was any evolution. Modern science has been around (sort of) for the last 300 years. Absolutely no way to prove for evolution is such a short time as that.

But that's what evolutionists like. It gives them a job, always looking for proof where and in ways they can never find it. It allows them to change theory (doctrine) to suit their whims. And most of all, it lets them feel good about themselves... when people praise them for their great thinking and hard work.

Well, the evolution religion is dying, right now. More and more people are recognizing it for the scam that it is. Many schools don't require more than a single credit for it any longer, and the only reason they require that, is so that they look good in the eyes of schools that require more.

Evolution is a complete hoax... except where it is a religion.

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legendary
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October 21, 2018, 03:12:33 PM
To the pro evolution people on this forum, I would like to ask a question and that’s why hasn’t there been an remarkable form of evolution in the last 1000 years.

The 1000 years window is very small on the evolutionary scale to see any significant morphological changes.  There were some evolutionary changes in humans in the last 2,000-10,000 years:

https://www.fastcompany.com/3064907/over-the-last-2000-years-humans-have-evolved-in-some-surprising-ways

http://mentalfloss.com/article/30795/5-signs-humans-are-still-evolving

Evolution is happening right now in all species, not just humans.
legendary
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October 16, 2018, 01:34:09 PM

What if you replace the word "random" with "shit just happens".  Would that change your conclusions about evolution?


The problems with that are:
1. Science always looks for a reason;
2. "Shit just happens" doesn't match evolution theory.

Now that you know that evolution is a hoax, why are you so against admitting it? I might think that you have something against me personally, but once in a while, in other threads, you even side with me now and again, against something else.

Since my conclusions about evolution are the thing that every scientist knows in his heart when he deeply considers things like cause and effect versus random, what conclusion?

Evolution is a hoax!

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What if you replace the word "random" with "God made it happen this way" and have the physical data to back up your conclusions?

Would that change your mind?

Okay, okay. LOL! I finally get it. You are trying to convert me to your religion. LOL.

Why don't you come right out and say it?... that evolution is a religion and not a hoax?  Cheesy

Evolution is a hoax.

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I just wanted you to think about it some more.  If the existence of true "randomness" is the only thing that you think is wrong with the Evolution Theory, then you might want to replace that word with something else and see if the theory still holds.

I know that your religious beliefs (that the Earth is 6000 years old etc) influence your reasoning.  Just imagine for a second, if there were no religions and if you looked at the evidence would you still conclude that the explanation is completely wrong?

If you cannot think out of your religious box, then I agree, you will always think that God created man from dirt and woman from a rib bone 6000 years ago.  That is ok, it is wrong, but it is ok for you to believe that.  I fully support your right to your own private delusion.



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October 21, 2018, 02:54:46 PM
To the pro evolution people on this forum, I would like to ask a question and that’s why hasn’t there been an remarkable form of evolution in the last 1000 years.
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October 21, 2018, 07:22:53 AM
When are you jokers going to remember that this topic is about evolution. Even if there were nothing that showed evolution to be impossible, evolution would still be so extremely far from being proven, that it should be dropped simply because it is a big waste of time - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47076294.

However, since it is touted as factual...

Evolution is a hoax.

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That'a nice way to not admit being wrong about c&e and randomness. Shows you are intellectual dishonest.

If you had any proof for evolution that could contradict what I said at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47076294, wouldn't you use it? Wouldn't you get right in there and show how I am wrong, step by step?  But you can't. So all you do is beat around the bush. Since you don't have any evolution example that is factual evolution...

Evolution is a hoax.

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Well, I already debunked your ''random doesn't exist theory'' which is half of what you wrote there but you are unable to admit it so why should I continue further if you are never going to admit when you are wrong?
legendary
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October 20, 2018, 03:46:28 PM
When are you jokers going to remember that this topic is about evolution. Even if there were nothing that showed evolution to be impossible, evolution would still be so extremely far from being proven, that it should be dropped simply because it is a big waste of time - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47076294.

However, since it is touted as factual...

Evolution is a hoax.

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That'a nice way to not admit being wrong about c&e and randomness. Shows you are intellectual dishonest.

If you had any proof for evolution that could contradict what I said at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47076294, wouldn't you use it? Wouldn't you get right in there and show how I am wrong, step by step?  But you can't. So all you do is beat around the bush. Since you don't have any evolution example that is factual evolution...

Evolution is a hoax.

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October 20, 2018, 01:49:43 PM
When are you jokers going to remember that this topic is about evolution. Even if there were nothing that showed evolution to be impossible, evolution would still be so extremely far from being proven, that it should be dropped simply because it is a big waste of time - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47076294.

However, since it is touted as factual...

Evolution is a hoax.

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That'a nice way to not admit being wrong about c&e and randomness. Shows you are intellectual dishonest.
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October 16, 2018, 11:55:18 AM
Generally, the process works well for identifying unwitting errors, such as flaws in methodology or inadequate statistics, and also for exposing outright deception. But in the past, checks and balances in science were less strict, so it was possible to “cook data” and commit other fraudulent acts, thereby throwing the scientific community off-balance. Usually, people were misled just for a short time, but occasionally a hoax could remain hidden for years at a time. That’s what happened in the case of "Piltdown Man," a hoax that shook the world of science for four decades–partly, because it was so elaborate, but also because many scientists were so ripe to fall for it, especially in England, where the scheme was hatched.
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October 20, 2018, 01:43:11 PM
Interestingly, people who do not believe in evolution. Do you believe that the wolf turned out to be a chihuahua? In this case, you recognize the selection, which means you understand that organisms can change. What is the problem then understand evolution?
About why monkeys still exist. The fact is that wolves also exist. But there are also terriers and bulldogs.
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October 20, 2018, 12:39:31 PM
For me, evolution of hoaxes, my question is why is the theory of evolution taught in schools while evolution cannot be proven? For example, if humans come from monkeys, why are monkeys still there and not humans? I don't believe in evolution
legendary
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October 20, 2018, 06:19:10 AM
When are you jokers going to remember that this topic is about evolution. Even if there were nothing that showed evolution to be impossible, evolution would still be so extremely far from being proven, that it should be dropped simply because it is a big waste of time - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47076294.

However, since it is touted as factual...

Evolution is a hoax.

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October 20, 2018, 05:48:03 AM
When are you guys going to realize that BADLogic lacks intellectual honesty/integrity, and has no interest in a debate that might lead to actual answers?

His replies will always be bullshit, supported with no facts or evidence... there will never be a link to a scientific article backing up any of his claims

Why bother arguing with someone like this?

Just let him go on with his nonsense, but please stop feeding the troll



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