Topic: Evolution is a hoax - page 55. (Read 108057 times)

Evolution can't be change, because evolution doesn't exist. Evolution isn't anything.

Change is cause and effect programming. Mutation is simply change via C&E programming.

You don't need me to give you any C&E examples, because you and all people - especially the scientists among us - use C&E everyday. But like your inability to give us any proof for evolution, you don't have even one proof for pure random (opposite of C&E). Yet, C&E, adaptation, and like-begets-like abound all over the place in quantities too numerous for us to be able to count.

Evolution is a hoax, and its perpetrators are destroyers of knowledge.

''had to do with some changes in nature'' Are you talking about evolution? Your <70 IQ is showing again. Evolution refers to change, and in particular in our gene-centered age, change due to changes in genes. Mutation changes DNA sequence, and if that change is transmitted to the next generation, the population’s gene pool, its set of genotype variants, has changed—it has evolved. I already gave you plenty of examples of this, the lizard speciation example for instance clearly fits the definition of evolution.

Actually, it was kinda a shock to find out that some people believe in evolution!

After all, the great opposite to evolution is creation, right? And the creation idea has been around much longer than evolution, in the form of religion, right? And what do people do with religions? They believe in them, or not.

So, why would anybody believe in evolution? I mean, either they believe in something else and don't believe in evolution, or they believe in evolution to some extent... or they know that evolution is fact and they don't believe in evolution.

But, guess what? Nobody has any proof of evolution! All they have is a good story that shows how evolution might be able to exist. Evolution is not a proven fact! And if it weren't all the things that prove that evolution is impossible - the greatest being cause and effect - perhaps evolution actually could exist.

This puts evolution into the realm of religion, and it is a rather late comer as far as religions go. When some people go around expressing that evolution is fact when they know that C&E completely disproves it (at least, the way that evolution theory describes it)...

Evolution is a hoax.

Quite shocking to see that some people don't believe in human evolution.

That's because you don't understand what it really is. If this thread was not about evolution, but had to do with some changes in nature, you might have a valid point. But with regard to evolution theory evolution... you seem to be having trouble even staying on topic. Nothing you say proves or shows proof of ETE. We don't know that ETE exists.

I think I know that you are way smarter than what you show. Since you are way smarter, your goal isn't to show the truth. Rather, it is to maintain the ETE story, and keep it strong as though it were fact, even though you know it is simply science fiction. What you are really showing is that you are a troll, and that...

Evolution is a hoax.

We evolved from cavemen to probe Uranus..   

Uhm yeah, at this point I'm convinced that you have <70 IQ. I just gave you an easy example of speciation and you still don't understand it, nothing to do.

Even if what you say is an absolute fact, there is still no evolution proof in the sense of evolving from species to species to populate the earth. You even admit it right in your statement that includes "cannot."

Again, all you do is show your deceptiveness by attempting to draw people away from the point.

Evolution is a hoax.

''We have no proven example of species to species change'' Again, for the 10th time, we have, you just need to google it, lmao.

Anole lizards for instance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmtIofdeUbc&feature=youtu.be this video which I linked already clearly shows how a species can diverge into two different species that cannot breed. Anyways badecker will never accept anything just like he didn't with ''scientific proof of god'' where I absolutely destroyed his ''arguments'' His argument couldn't even show how the universe had to be made by a god and not many, badecker is just delusional beyond imagination.

We have no proven example of species to species change. We have no proof of evolution. Evolution doesn't prove itself when we don't have any factual proof that it exists.


That's not species to species change. Nor is it development of a new species.


Chromosome number differences make this impossible in nature, although science might find a way to force it to work temporarily... sometime in the future when we learn a lot more. If stuff like this was easy, science would already have figure out how to allow people to live in tip-top health for 500 years or longer. Nature is built in certain ways that it can change according to its design, but that we can't change except where it has been designed to allow us to make changes.


Except that this is not known to be evolution. No proof that it is evolution and not some other process. Remember, we are talking about evolution theory evolution (ETE) but not simple change.


Consider the complexity of nature. Why can't a bunch of kinds of crossbreeding be built in, while other kinds of crossbreeding be not designed? If you are asking why a designer would do it one way and not the other, the answer might come to you when you have finally understood all the complexities of nature.



Lab stuff doesn't work except temporarily. Why? Because when you take away from perfection by dumbing things down in the lab, you build failure in. In addition, we have no proof of billions of years, or proof that evolution happened even if there is billions-of-years. Just saying it, or just calling creatures that have similarities and differences at the same time, examples of evolution, is not proof.

Yes they do! - Species change to other species. It’s called evolution, and it takes time. Small changes here and there, over a (very) long period.
When do you consider a species changed to another species? When they can’t breed anymore maybe?

House cats can breed with leopards. Now there might be a complex scientific classification of these, and they are in the same family, but would you not say they are two different species? Sure might never happen in the wild, leopard would just think, hey lunch, but they can breed. How about Tigers and Lions? Do you think of a house cat and a lion as the same thing, species-wise?

How about humans and apes? Can they breed? Don’t know if they can, don’t know of anybody have tried, but I’m sure some have. I’ll take a wild guess that some apes can breed with humans, maybe not all but some. Don’t want to see the result though!

Why can some species not breed and some – that I consider different species – still breed? Why can’t I breed a giraffe and an elephant or mouse and mosquito? Well the solution is very simple; some species are simply too far removed from their common ancestor on the evolutionary tree, while some are much closer. Too much evolution (change) has happend.

If it was all programming by design, why can there even be any cross-breeding at all? Hmm… let me wonder about that for a moment…..Programmed by design to be able to cross-breed, create new species that was not in version 1 of the whitepaper. Hmmm… I think I will choose to call that evolution.

Can it happen in a lab or by a little human help, it most certainly has happened in the wild, in the span of a billion years, and a billion-billion-billion “tests”.  Must mean by shire statistic that none v1 whitepaper species are running around right now on the planet. Evolution 100% confirmed!

Literally an example above of ''1. Species change to other species;'' Are you autistic?

Very simply speaking, species don't change into other species. Their changes are adaptation to climate or geographical conditions, however complex the changes might be. In humans, these adaptation changes might even be for emotional pleasure or joy.

However, two things need to be proven to make evolution having happened:
1. Species change to other species;
2. Random change, that eliminates cause and effect programming.

Even if there is a change in species, somehow, programming still makes it to be something other than what evolutionists understand it to be.

So far, evolution is a hoax, because we aren't really coming close to finding a species change or change without C&E... and we know it.

''In biology, evolution is the change in the characteristics of a species over several generations'' Do you not agree with this? You don't think species change, ever? You keep saying all my examples fit ''adaption'' better but you clearly don't understand what adaption or evolution means. Animals, people, everything adapts all the time, however after a lot of generations, adaption becomes evolution.

Some species of animals are separated for various reasons, they might take different paths for example and end up in a totally different environment, the group that separates has to adapt to the new environment, they might die or successfully adapt. If they adapt, after several generations, they are so different that they would not be able to reproduce with the other group they left, becoming a new species. That's evolution for you, if you can't understand that then you are mentally retarded.

I don't recall asking for any example. Are you sure I asked? Or are you just being deceptive as usual?

On dear. Nature seems to make all kinds of complex life that reproduces wildly. We can't make even one life form from scratch, and since we can't, we certainly can't make reproduction. Nature seems to have figured out the rules. But we can't seem to even learn all the rules from nature's example. And you think nature isn't smarter than we are? You contradict yourself almost 100%.

Now you ask what I think evolution is, when I have been telling you over and over? Let me say it straight out: Evolution is an imaginary process that doesn't exist and can't exist in any way we can formulate that it might exist.

If you want to know what the Theory of Evolution is, you can Google it, but it will take a lot of study of many different sites, or a lot of reading through many different books, to figure out who and what is the authority for making the gobbledygook of all that evolution info, into what should be the accepted, standard for the Theory. Have fun.

Evolution is a hoax.

This is what having less than 60 IQ does to you ^^^

I don't even know how to respond really. Uneducated people always like to talk about things they have literally no idea of. It's mind boggling.

If evolution is possible, then why humans are still humans,  can't we be something in a more higher form of being? Take the case of the theory where we began as monkeys and turn into these.

Well I just gave you an example of what you asked for and you are still not convinced, pretty much like when notbatman asks for something, I deliver and then he says, nope, that's not enough.

''we see nature making complex life and reproduction in ways we can only dream of, because we can't do it at all.'' Nature isn't ''smarter'' than us, complexity arrives from simple rules, we know that. Just because it takes a lot of time, it doesn't mean we can't do it. Humans have been creating things that are more complex than themselves for decades now, a computer for instance. As always it depends on your definition of complexity but natural selection is pretty easy to understand, I don't know what you mean.

So what is evolution then, in your head? You don't accept evolution as:

Speciation: Gave you examples of that, you still think that's not evolution, somehow.

Beneficial mutations that can be passed through generations: You still don't think that's evolution either

Do you mind explaining to us what you think evolution is then? So we can give you an example and end this debate? Or are you going to ignore the evidence like you always do again?

I don't think you really know what adaption is. Adaption has to do with social changes, and how people, particularly children, learn to integrate changing customs/traditions into their social lives.

Adaptation has to do with natural selection, which nobody knows the underlying workings of... how cause and effect program change into something at a level and complexity we can't comprehend.

Scientists are kinda smart. But they seem to be unwilling to accept that, if evolution exists, the selections made by nature are infinitely smarter than they are. After all, we see nature making complex life and reproduction in ways we can only dream of, because we can't do it at all. This means that we don't really understand what natural selection is, but only that it exists and produces certain kinds of things/results.

Since we don't really know how natural selection works or what it is made up of, we can't really understand that there is any evolution for-a-fact.

Evolution is a hoax.

I don't think you even understand what adaption is. You can call a mutation adaption if you want but in the end as the ''mutation or adaption'' is passed down from one generation to the next. As more and more organisms inherit the mutation, the mutation becomes a typical part of the species, what you might call EVOLUTION!! HURRAY!

Then you have speciation, which is a very wide term but this video might help you: it's good even for kids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmtIofdeUbc&feature=youtu.be