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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 20, 2023, 08:26:34 AM

Darn it! It's 12 AM at my time and I am sleeping on that schedule. I would really love to witness this as this is also the last friendly game of Team USA.
Germany is one of my favorites too so I'd really like to watch them play and I doubt they will post a full replay of that match.
The Wagner brothers, the rising stars of the NBA league, Germany is surely strong and they may be the ones who also have a big chance to win against Team USA who is the favorite today.

Upon checking the odds. The Germans are the heavy underdog.
@7.60 if they win or for those who want to make sure, you can take the +14.5.

Damn, Germany is looking sharp. I was honestly thinking to bet on them when the odds went to around 9. I then decided to just make a small wager on Germany +16,5 points.

And right now, with 4min to go in the 4th Germany is up 69:55. Grin

That's a great motivational boost for them, no matter if they end up losing this game. They showed they can compete, and that's the most important part.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 19, 2023, 06:44:58 AM

Quote from: livingfree on August 19, 2023, 06:39:25 AM

That's true nowadays.

Even before, there have been upsets with the Team USA from other teams like Argentina, Spain and others. It gives a team a boost of confidence because someone from NBA really plays on a different level.

But aside from that, if the whole team is lousy and don't contribute a lot to the team on this FIBA World Cup then having one on the side is not really going to be enough to make it.

NBA and FIBA are quite distinct, with FIBA being a highly physical game where teams focus solely on winning for their country without concern for the future. When a European team wins, it's not surprising due to their hard-playing style, which characterizes their league as very physical. The players representing the USA aren't necessarily the best in the NBA. Despite their impressive performance in tune-up games, I remain skeptical about their ability to dominate in the actual competition.

I don't think so that it's like that for those NBA players that will play for FIBA. Most of them are careful and that's why you've said that Team USA doesn't have their best.

And that is because they still think of the future at least for those that have played for FIBA before and then begged off to play for their national team.

Maybe that's just me that doesn't really see that much difference on FIBA and NBA in terms of physicality because of them are.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on August 20, 2023, 05:43:48 AM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on August 20, 2023, 05:15:12 AM

Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on August 19, 2023, 09:21:02 AM

This weekend the German team will test against Greece and tomorrow vs team USA.

Exited for our team, they looked really solid in the past games I must say. Some German youtubers have high expectations for some really and I slowly get hyped as well. Cheesy

I expected Schröder and the Wagner bros to deliver but Daniel Theiss, even though not playing for the Pacers for a while now, came up big in the past test matches. He looks like a second coming of MJ, hahaha.

Congratulations to you and your team for winning the game against Greece. Although I'm not particularly invested in following other teams aside from our own, given the current events, it seems that Germany is a quite solid team in FIBA.

Germany got the win over Greece but may have lost Hollatz

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Germany prevailed over Greece 84-71 getting an easy prep win with Dennis Schroder (15 p.) and Franz Wagner (14 p.) leading the way again.

As expected Schroder played well leading the team, my question is, is he the team captain of the team?

Yeah it was a solid win on Saturday, the real test is coming today though. The German i team is a 15 point underdog vs team USA. Of course they have the better players, but I think we are the better team since the German team has been playing together for a while now. Of course the undeniable talent is hard to beat, but maybe teams that play good team basketball can stick with them and get some close games.

And yes, Dennis is the captain of the team. The coach made him captain last year before the eurobasket tournament, and he played it like a real captain as well getting in the all tournament first team.

This weekend are a lot of nice games. Yesterday we saw Spain vs the Dominican Republic (which before beat Canada) , France lost vs Australia, and so on. Plenty of good stuff to watch for people that love basketball!

Darn it! It's 12 AM at my time and I am sleeping on that schedule. I would really love to witness this as this is also the last friendly game of Team USA.
Germany is one of my favorites too so I'd really like to watch them play and I doubt they will post a full replay of that match.
The Wagner brothers, the rising stars of the NBA league, Germany is surely strong and they may be the ones who also have a big chance to win against Team USA who is the favorite today.

Upon checking the odds. The Germans are the heavy underdog.
@7.60 if they win or for those who want to make sure, you can take the +14.5.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on August 20, 2023, 05:15:12 AM

Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on August 19, 2023, 09:21:02 AM

This weekend the German team will test against Greece and tomorrow vs team USA.

Exited for our team, they looked really solid in the past games I must say. Some German youtubers have high expectations for some really and I slowly get hyped as well. Cheesy

I expected Schröder and the Wagner bros to deliver but Daniel Theiss, even though not playing for the Pacers for a while now, came up big in the past test matches. He looks like a second coming of MJ, hahaha.

Congratulations to you and your team for winning the game against Greece. Although I'm not particularly invested in following other teams aside from our own, given the current events, it seems that Germany is a quite solid team in FIBA.

Germany got the win over Greece but may have lost Hollatz

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Germany prevailed over Greece 84-71 getting an easy prep win with Dennis Schroder (15 p.) and Franz Wagner (14 p.) leading the way again.

As expected Schroder played well leading the team, my question is, is he the team captain of the team?

Yeah it was a solid win on Saturday, the real test is coming today though. The German i team is a 15 point underdog vs team USA. Of course they have the better players, but I think we are the better team since the German team has been playing together for a while now. Of course the undeniable talent is hard to beat, but maybe teams that play good team basketball can stick with them and get some close games.

And yes, Dennis is the captain of the team. The coach made him captain last year before the eurobasket tournament, and he played it like a real captain as well getting in the all tournament first team.

This weekend are a lot of nice games. Yesterday we saw Spain vs the Dominican Republic (which before beat Canada) , France lost vs Australia, and so on. Plenty of good stuff to watch for people that love basketball!

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on August 19, 2023, 09:21:02 AM

This weekend the German team will test against Greece and tomorrow vs team USA.

Exited for our team, they looked really solid in the past games I must say. Some German youtubers have high expectations for some really and I slowly get hyped as well. Cheesy

I expected Schröder and the Wagner bros to deliver but Daniel Theiss, even though not playing for the Pacers for a while now, came up big in the past test matches. He looks like a second coming of MJ, hahaha.

Congratulations to you and your team for winning the game against Greece. Although I'm not particularly invested in following other teams aside from our own, given the current events, it seems that Germany is a quite solid team in FIBA.

Germany got the win over Greece but may have lost Hollatz

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Germany prevailed over Greece 84-71 getting an easy prep win with Dennis Schroder (15 p.) and Franz Wagner (14 p.) leading the way again.

As expected Schroder played well leading the team, my question is, is he the team captain of the team?

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 19, 2023, 05:38:50 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on August 19, 2023, 12:17:56 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 18, 2023, 09:50:18 PM

Still, having NBA players in the team alone is not sufficient to win matches. And that will be obvious in 2 weeks or so, when this tournament gets going.

Yeah right, having an NBA player in your squad doesn't guarantee you to win a game, maybe they can help but still a team efforts and good chemistries among the players, there are instances that even top caliber squad from all compose NBA stars losses during world cup the very reason why US team needs to have both dream team and redeem team, both to secure that team US would get the title.

Let see what would be the performances of those teams that will compete and who will dominate this league.

1 more week actually. I think the friendly games served its purpose and that is to build chemistry with their team and I am sure it worked out just fine. We can see teams without NBA players that had been showing some talents and that's the most scary of all especially when their will to win is high.

I find that NBA players from different countries always play better when they are playing for their country in international leagues like this. I remember in EuroBasket when Lauri Markkanen was playing at a different level showcasing his skills on both the offensive and defensive end for Finland. That was when I became a fan of that dude. Not on his Cavaliers days. Cheesy

Sure, that is true, there's no guarantee they can win but it's an addition to boost their teammates' confidence.

Yup and I hope they will serve the purpose and not become the main attractions as even their teammates will watch on them playing and be shy to take the ball and play their best too. NBA star or player adds up to boost the team and with them there's pressure from the competing side knowing that they've got the capabilities to take a high percentage shots.

A good threat mostly from the offence, especially when they are playing inside the country that they are representing, pride and the appreciation from the home crowd add more boost for the team entirely.

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This weekend the German team will test against Greece and tomorrow vs team USA.

Exited for our team, they looked really solid in the past games I must say. Some German youtubers have high expectations for some really and I slowly get hyped as well. Cheesy

I expected Schröder and the Wagner bros to deliver but Daniel Theiss, even though not playing for the Pacers for a while now, came up big in the past test matches. He looks like a second coming of MJ, hahaha.

Tomorrow's game with the US will be a good indicator of what we can expect from them this world cup. If we los by let's say 10-15 points ( maybe less ) I think this would be a success.

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Quote from: livingfree on August 19, 2023, 06:39:25 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on August 19, 2023, 12:17:56 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 18, 2023, 09:50:18 PM

Still, having NBA players in the team alone is not sufficient to win matches. And that will be obvious in 2 weeks or so, when this tournament gets going.

Yeah right, having an NBA player in your squad doesn't guarantee you to win a game, maybe they can help but still a team efforts and good chemistries among the players, there are instances that even top caliber squad from all compose NBA stars losses during world cup the very reason why US team needs to have both dream team and redeem team, both to secure that team US would get the title.

Let see what would be the performances of those teams that will compete and who will dominate this league.

That's true nowadays.

Even before, there have been upsets with the Team USA from other teams like Argentina, Spain and others. It gives a team a boost of confidence because someone from NBA really plays on a different level.

But aside from that, if the whole team is lousy and don't contribute a lot to the team on this FIBA World Cup then having one on the side is not really going to be enough to make it.

NBA and FIBA are quite distinct, with FIBA being a highly physical game where teams focus solely on winning for their country without concern for the future. When a European team wins, it's not surprising due to their hard-playing style, which characterizes their league as very physical. The players representing the USA aren't necessarily the best in the NBA. Despite their impressive performance in tune-up games, I remain skeptical about their ability to dominate in the actual competition.

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Quote from: Fredomago on August 19, 2023, 12:17:56 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 18, 2023, 09:50:18 PM

Still, having NBA players in the team alone is not sufficient to win matches. And that will be obvious in 2 weeks or so, when this tournament gets going.

Yeah right, having an NBA player in your squad doesn't guarantee you to win a game, maybe they can help but still a team efforts and good chemistries among the players, there are instances that even top caliber squad from all compose NBA stars losses during world cup the very reason why US team needs to have both dream team and redeem team, both to secure that team US would get the title.

Let see what would be the performances of those teams that will compete and who will dominate this league.

That's true nowadays.

Even before, there have been upsets with the Team USA from other teams like Argentina, Spain and others. It gives a team a boost of confidence because someone from NBA really plays on a different level.

But aside from that, if the whole team is lousy and don't contribute a lot to the team on this FIBA World Cup then having one on the side is not really going to be enough to make it.

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Quote from: Fredomago on August 19, 2023, 12:17:56 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 18, 2023, 09:50:18 PM

Still, having NBA players in the team alone is not sufficient to win matches. And that will be obvious in 2 weeks or so, when this tournament gets going.

Yeah right, having an NBA player in your squad doesn't guarantee you to win a game, maybe they can help but still a team efforts and good chemistries among the players, there are instances that even top caliber squad from all compose NBA stars losses during world cup the very reason why US team needs to have both dream team and redeem team, both to secure that team US would get the title.

Let see what would be the performances of those teams that will compete and who will dominate this league.

1 more week actually. I think the friendly games served its purpose and that is to build chemistry with their team and I am sure it worked out just fine. We can see teams without NBA players that had been showing some talents and that's the most scary of all especially when their will to win is high.

I find that NBA players from different countries always play better when they are playing for their country in international leagues like this. I remember in EuroBasket when Lauri Markkanen was playing at a different level showcasing his skills on both the offensive and defensive end for Finland. That was when I became a fan of that dude. Not on his Cavaliers days. Cheesy

Sure, that is true, there's no guarantee they can win but it's an addition to boost their teammates' confidence.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 18, 2023, 09:50:18 PM

Still, having NBA players in the team alone is not sufficient to win matches. And that will be obvious in 2 weeks or so, when this tournament gets going.

Yeah right, having an NBA player in your squad doesn't guarantee you to win a game, maybe they can help but still a team efforts and good chemistries among the players, there are instances that even top caliber squad from all compose NBA stars losses during world cup the very reason why US team needs to have both dream team and redeem team, both to secure that team US would get the title.

Let see what would be the performances of those teams that will compete and who will dominate this league.

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Quote from: tabas on August 18, 2023, 06:45:36 PM

That's true, having their own players that has come from the NBA really boosted them a lot. And for those bigger nations, even they don't have much blood that has come from the NBA, still the individual skills that they have from their players are enormous and great. In the past, they've got NBA players that have influenced them. Or they've got a mentor that has come from the league and that's the one who's giving them tips and trainings that's suitable for them to be able to perform very well on the international stage.

NBA being the top basketball league in the world, contributes a lot to the skill improvement of the players. If someone from Bahamas or Dominican Republic plays along the top players such as Stephen Curry or Kevin Durant, then obviously his level of play increases automatically. Other leagues such as EuroLeague and Liga ACB doesn't have the same quality has NBA and the gap is quite wide. Still, having NBA players in the team alone is not sufficient to win matches. And that will be obvious in 2 weeks or so, when this tournament gets going.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 17, 2023, 09:02:07 PM

Quote from: tabas on August 17, 2023, 11:30:47 AM

A strong win coming from Bahamas. After being reported that Gordon have left Team USA for him to be able to play with the national team of Bahamas. A win against one of the top teams in the world ranking, top 4 to be specific. And the tally of score was not just like a mercy win but they're able to lead with 12 points against ARG. 101-89
Source: Deandre Ayton, Eric Gordon, Hield lead Bahamas to a win over Argentina

Don't know much about the top-4 ranking, but Argentina failed to qualify for the world cup this time. Which would indicate that their players are not in great form.

It's the world ranking for Argentina as per the FIBA website: https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 17, 2023, 09:02:07 PM

Still it is good that Bahamas was able to win the match against quality opposition. Some of these smaller nations (such as Bahamas and Dominican Rep.) are getting boosted by the presence of NBA players. Even during yesterday's match, it was Deandre Ayton (Phoenix Suns) and Eric Gordon who performed well for Bahamas. Buddy Hield of Indiana Pacers also played a major role during yesterday's match.

That's true, having their own players that has come from the NBA really boosted them a lot. And for those bigger nations, even they don't have much blood that has come from the NBA, still the individual skills that they have from their players are enormous and great. In the past, they've got NBA players that have influenced them. Or they've got a mentor that has come from the league and that's the one who's giving them tips and trainings that's suitable for them to be able to perform very well on the international stage.

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Quote from: tabas on August 17, 2023, 11:30:47 AM

A strong win coming from Bahamas. After being reported that Gordon have left Team USA for him to be able to play with the national team of Bahamas. A win against one of the top teams in the world ranking, top 4 to be specific. And the tally of score was not just like a mercy win but they're able to lead with 12 points against ARG. 101-89
Source: Deandre Ayton, Eric Gordon, Hield lead Bahamas to a win over Argentina

Don't know much about the top-4 ranking, but Argentina failed to qualify for the world cup this time. Which would indicate that their players are not in great form. Still it is good that Bahamas was able to win the match against quality opposition. Some of these smaller nations (such as Bahamas and Dominican Rep.) are getting boosted by the presence of NBA players. Even during yesterday's match, it was Deandre Ayton (Phoenix Suns) and Eric Gordon who performed well for Bahamas. Buddy Hield of Indiana Pacers also played a major role during yesterday's match.

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Man, I really wish I have the merits to share with you guys but I don't. Wink

Most of the shares here are very informative that it could boost our winning chances on the betting section when the event starts.
@LTU_btc I honestly forgot about Domantas Sabonis. My mind is jumbled now with the different basketball leagues that I am watching. Grin

Oh, and Kristaps Porzingis too from Latvia is injured, thanks for the information.

Quote from: Viscore on August 17, 2023, 09:54:22 AM

This would affect Canada's chances of winning. For a moment, I considered Canada to be the closest rival to the USA. However, the absence of Jamal Murray, an NBA champion, is a significant setback for the team. Now, I am no longer interested in following this team. I have a feeling that unless their odds increase significantly, they are overvalued.

Regarding the power rankings from 5 days ago, the Dominican Republic was ranked number 10, and with the mentioned odds, this is quite enticing.

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/news/fiba-basketball-world-cup-2023-power-rankings-volume-ii

Suddenly Italy climbed up to the 8th spot due to their recent win streak in the friendly games. That's nice.
And look at the Dominican Republic climbing their way up too due to the recent news with Karl Anthony Towns playing for their team. That's a big one for them.

Anyway, who do guys think has a better chance of defeating the USA if there is no grouping made? In the whole list of countries.

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Quote from: Maslate on August 16, 2023, 10:14:35 AM

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By the way, Philippines has not yet revealed their final 12,

SBP to reveal Gilas Pilipinas Final 12 on August 23

I've seen the news that 2 players are being debated on who will play for the Philippines team. I am not sure though if it's just fake news or not. Abando and Ravena. Or both are playing? Sorry, I am not updated with their roster.

That's not fake news; it's just that one of the famous sports announcers chose Ravena over Abando to be part of the final 12 because he believes that Ravena has more experience compared to Abando. However, the crowd reacted, as they believe Abando deserves it more than Ravena. So, it's quite intriguing to see who will make it to the final 12.

Abando I guess would be a better pick because of he's a more active player and more of a team player than with ravena who often tends to push scoring on some sort of a spotlight. They should give chance to the new ones as well nd to not base with bench time alone; they're all players who can shoot in the first place, choosing someone which would create a better ball movement would be a better idea given the height advantage by opposing teams. Well eitherway, it would be tough for Philippines to win this one. They could atleast be tough enough for a silver but it would be a long run for sure. I want to support them but if it is betting then it would be hard to put my bias on them. In terms of size, agility, and trainings, for sure we all know what teams would be dominant once the tournament start.

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A strong win coming from Bahamas. After being reported that Gordon have left Team USA for him to be able to play with the national team of Bahamas. A win against one of the top teams in the world ranking, top 4 to be specific. And the tally of score was not just like a mercy win but they're able to lead with 12 points against ARG. 101-89
Source: Deandre Ayton, Eric Gordon, Hield lead Bahamas to a win over Argentina

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Quote from: Sanitough on August 17, 2023, 08:43:28 AM

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Quote from: Questat on August 17, 2023, 08:15:31 AM

What is your opinion on the Dominican Republic's chances? I'm considering placing a bet on this team.

They're strong, some may underestimate them but they've got a chance to win with those line ups that they've got for their schedules. If you want to put a bet on them, you should and it's up to you which team you'll want to bet. This isn't just all about the support but of course money's on the line so choose what you think have the chance of winning consider also the odds.

According to the OP, the odds for the Dominican Republic to win was x81. However, this was before the announcement of KAT. Probably the odds has already been reduced now, but I still think it's a very attractive odds.

Before the news about Murray being ruled out, the odds were 4.75, so it's likely that those odds will increase now that the bad news has been released. There are lots of opportunities, as some teams probably have not announced their final 12 yet. Additionally, the issue of injuries cannot be neglected, as it could happen before the actual competition. Therefore, following the news would provide us with early insights that could impact our betting decisions.

Yeah, there have been too many changes and for sure the odds will change eventually as the matches are approaching. Just keep on following on the news and who knows that as long as the date for the matches aren't been there, still a lot of things can happen for most of the participating teams that you may be interested to bet with.

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Jamal Murray begged off to Canada's national team for the FIBA world cup.
(https://www.rappler.com/sports/fiba/denver-nuggets-star-jamal-murray-not-play-canada-2023-world-cup/)

This would affect Canada's chances of winning. For a moment, I considered Canada to be the closest rival to the USA. However, the absence of Jamal Murray, an NBA champion, is a significant setback for the team. Now, I am no longer interested in following this team. I have a feeling that unless their odds increase significantly, they are overvalued.

Regarding the power rankings from 5 days ago, the Dominican Republic was ranked number 10, and with the mentioned odds, this is quite enticing.

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/news/fiba-basketball-world-cup-2023-power-rankings-volume-ii

Sure they're one of the favorites because of how recent Murray's Nuggets took the championship for the last season in the NBA. That changes the perspective on how people expected him to play but with such surprise announcement, it dropped to the pit for the expectation of many fans.

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Quote from: blockman on August 17, 2023, 05:35:02 AM

Jamal Murray begged off to Canada's national team for the FIBA world cup.
(https://www.rappler.com/sports/fiba/denver-nuggets-star-jamal-murray-not-play-canada-2023-world-cup/)

This would affect Canada's chances of winning. For a moment, I considered Canada to be the closest rival to the USA. However, the absence of Jamal Murray, an NBA champion, is a significant setback for the team. Now, I am no longer interested in following this team. I have a feeling that unless their odds increase significantly, they are overvalued.

Regarding the power rankings from 5 days ago, the Dominican Republic was ranked number 10, and with the mentioned odds, this is quite enticing.

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/news/fiba-basketball-world-cup-2023-power-rankings-volume-ii

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Quote from: blockman on August 17, 2023, 08:31:03 AM

Quote from: Questat on August 17, 2023, 08:15:31 AM

What is your opinion on the Dominican Republic's chances? I'm considering placing a bet on this team.

They're strong, some may underestimate them but they've got a chance to win with those line ups that they've got for their schedules. If you want to put a bet on them, you should and it's up to you which team you'll want to bet. This isn't just all about the support but of course money's on the line so choose what you think have the chance of winning consider also the odds.

According to the OP, the odds for the Dominican Republic to win was x81. However, this was before the announcement of KAT. Probably the odds has already been reduced now, but I still think it's a very attractive odds.

Before the news about Murray being ruled out, the odds were 4.75, so it's likely that those odds will increase now that the bad news has been released. There are lots of opportunities, as some teams probably have not announced their final 12 yet. Additionally, the issue of injuries cannot be neglected, as it could happen before the actual competition. Therefore, following the news would provide us with early insights that could impact our betting decisions.

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