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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 24, 2022, 09:40:11 PM

It is surprising to hear that their performance is declining. Personally, I haven't noticed any such thing. Messi has scored frequently for his new club (Paris Saint-Germain), while Cristiano Ronaldo is in good form for Manchester United. And recently both the players have helped the national teams in various tournaments. That said, I would not make a comparison between these two players. Both of them have their own unique set of skills. In some domain, one will be better than the other and the reverse may be true in some of the other domains.

There is no doubt now this is happening because age factor is going to have big impact on them as well with Ronaldo is 37 and Messi is 35 which mean they are now not good as we have them in last world cup 2018 they already both are over 35+ which mean they can't play like they have done in previous events.

Even both are giving their best in club games Messi already done good in new season in PSG, but Ronaldo is unable to perform as he is currently under some good rumors for change of club because of his desire for Champions League, but both are capable of giving their best in this world cup which could be last for these both players and many more which are already near them in age factor.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 24, 2022, 09:20:06 AM

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Players may come and go. But for my generation, Messi and Ronaldo are like legends. They represent the sport of football for an entire generation, as they have been playing for more than 15 years. Obviously in the next world cup (2026) some new player may take their place. And it is quite possible that some of the younger fans back then won't recognize how good Messi and Ronaldo were. For my parents' generation, Diego Maradona, Zinedine Zidane, Peter Schmeichel, Romário and Roberto Baggio were the heroes. But I don't feel nostalgic for them, because I was a small kid back then. For me, my heroes are Messi and Ronaldo. For the next generation, it maybe someone else.

Maradona and Pele are probably on another level though.

In Argentina Maradona is also known as D10S (God in Spanish, spelled with the number 10, his shirt number). People really have an adoration of Maradona, I think he transcended football.

And Pele was just phenomenal, probably the first superstar in football.

Even though Messi is great, it will never get to the same level of Maradona.

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Quote from: maju69 on August 24, 2022, 07:53:11 PM

Messi and Ronaldo are still icons of world football. Although now their performance is declining in each of the teams they defend. But his appearance is still awaited by most football lovers. Moreover, this is a World Cup where these two players have never lifted the trophy of the biggest party in football. Not only that, disputes between two fans still occur, especially on social media, both fans are still comparing who is better between the two even though there are now many talented young players born.

It is surprising to hear that their performance is declining. Personally, I haven't noticed any such thing. Messi has scored frequently for his new club (Paris Saint-Germain), while Cristiano Ronaldo is in good form for Manchester United. And recently both the players have helped the national teams in various tournaments. That said, I would not make a comparison between these two players. Both of them have their own unique set of skills. In some domain, one will be better than the other and the reverse may be true in some of the other domains.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 24, 2022, 09:20:06 AM

Players may come and go. But for my generation, Messi and Ronaldo are like legends. They represent the sport of football for an entire generation, as they have been playing for more than 15 years. Obviously in the next world cup (2026) some new player may take their place. And it is quite possible that some of the younger fans back then won't recognize how good Messi and Ronaldo were. For my parents' generation, Diego Maradona, Zinedine Zidane, Peter Schmeichel, Romário and Roberto Baggio were the heroes. But I don't feel nostalgic for them, because I was a small kid back then. For me, my heroes are Messi and Ronaldo. For the next generation, it maybe someone else.

Talking about soccer star players, there are many soccer stars today, both legends and stars competing in world leagues.
but lionel messi and cristiano ronaldo are extraordinary players who are very talented more than any other football legend. the presence of talented players like these two stars, will not happen in a decade, it can even exceed several decades, until young stars are born who exceed them both, both in talent and achievement of many achievements. so far they are both megastars of all time. however, we will never know they will retire after this world cup event or not.
So far there is no statement from the two megastars.

Messi and Ronaldo are still icons of world football. Although now their performance is declining in each of the teams they defend. But his appearance is still awaited by most football lovers. Moreover, this is a World Cup where these two players have never lifted the trophy of the biggest party in football. Not only that, disputes between two fans still occur, especially on social media, both fans are still comparing who is better between the two even though there are now many talented young players born.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on August 24, 2022, 12:31:48 PM

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Quote from: emrecemsan on August 23, 2022, 06:50:44 AM

I still can't understand how a team that were expected to reach the finale could be eliminated by North Macedonia in the play-off round. I know that it has been a long time since it happened but it's hard to absorb.
Injuries can play a big role for the competing teams in this World Cup.
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I'd like to asnwer this because this is why we are here betting on soccer (other sports too) but soccer is something else...
A lot of matches are simply unpredictable, maybe impossible to find out what's happened.

I don't think Italy lost the chance to World Cup due to injuries, look at the chart:

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Actually I didn't mean to put it that way. The second paragraph is independent from the first one but it might be my mistake to cause it to be understood like that. Grin

Italy's problem wasn't related to injuries of course. They had many draws in the group stage and I felt like that was a bad sign for the next stages of the World Cup as well. However I would never expect North Macedonia to punish them like that in the play-off stage already. Maybe it was luck because Italy did whatever they could in that match.

On the other hand, I also agree with you about Italy's future. They would come back stronger in the next World Cup. Because normally Italy have a great pool full of talented players. Maybe it was about the team chemistry after some new young players joined.

It isn't uncommon that the top teams only win by a goal or two against the smaller, less popular nations. Sometimes during the qualification rounds you would think that Spain or England will win every game with 5 goals or more ahead, but that is often not the case. The games are much closer in many cases. When seemingly weaker teams like North-Macedonia score the first goal, everyone knows how time starts ticking for the big favorite. Sometimes many things happen then. Many close shots on target, a lucky safe by the keeper and maybe the post saves the underdog in the final minutes. One thing is also for sure, that the underdogs fight as if that game was already the World Cup final. The team spirit in such situations is not to be underestimated. I hope we will see some of those games when David puts Goliath under fire, it's always fun to watch them.

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Quote from: rdluffy on August 24, 2022, 05:29:35 AM

Quote from: emrecemsan on August 23, 2022, 06:50:44 AM

I still can't understand how a team that were expected to reach the finale could be eliminated by North Macedonia in the play-off round. I know that it has been a long time since it happened but it's hard to absorb.
Injuries can play a big role for the competing teams in this World Cup.
...

I'd like to asnwer this because this is why we are here betting on soccer (other sports too) but soccer is something else...
A lot of matches are simply unpredictable, maybe impossible to find out what's happened.

I don't think Italy lost the chance to World Cup due to injuries, look at the chart:

~snip~

Actually I didn't mean to put it that way. The second paragraph is independent from the first one but it might be my mistake to cause it to be understood like that. Grin

Italy's problem wasn't related to injuries of course. They had many draws in the group stage and I felt like that was a bad sign for the next stages of the World Cup as well. However I would never expect North Macedonia to punish them like that in the play-off stage already. Maybe it was luck because Italy did whatever they could in that match.

On the other hand, I also agree with you about Italy's future. They would come back stronger in the next World Cup. Because normally Italy have a great pool full of talented players. Maybe it was about the team chemistry after some new young players joined.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 24, 2022, 09:20:06 AM

Players may come and go. But for my generation, Messi and Ronaldo are like legends. They represent the sport of football for an entire generation, as they have been playing for more than 15 years. Obviously in the next world cup (2026) some new player may take their place. And it is quite possible that some of the younger fans back then won't recognize how good Messi and Ronaldo were. For my parents' generation, Diego Maradona, Zinedine Zidane, Peter Schmeichel, Romário and Roberto Baggio were the heroes. But I don't feel nostalgic for them, because I was a small kid back then. For me, my heroes are Messi and Ronaldo. For the next generation, it maybe someone else.

Talking about soccer star players, there are many soccer stars today, both legends and stars competing in world leagues.
but lionel messi and cristiano ronaldo are extraordinary players who are very talented more than any other football legend. the presence of talented players like these two stars, will not happen in a decade, it can even exceed several decades, until young stars are born who exceed them both, both in talent and achievement of many achievements. so far they are both megastars of all time. however, we will never know they will retire after this world cup event or not.
So far there is no statement from the two megastars.

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Quote from: arimamib on August 24, 2022, 08:42:53 AM

The World Cup is an opportunity to show skills for young players who have the potential for a bright future, they will show their talent to steal the attention of elite clubs in Europe. Players will change over time, because they can't fight the movement of age. We used to be able to watch the beautiful game of Ronaldinho, after that it was Messi and Ronaldo. Maybe in the future other talented players can be born to replace their role. Losing the two gridiron legends will not reduce the interest of football lovers in the 2026 world cup, because generations of players will continue to change.

Exactly true with FIFA World Cup is an opportunity to show young player skill, learned from how popular with Ronaldinho after he has excited performance on FIFA World Cup 2002 in South Korea. I think after World Cup 2022 we can see many young potential player and make all fans can forget with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo for retiring from football. I think have big impact early when losing two legend of football icons from business and most talking by fans with Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi, but football keep running ahead who ever become favorite player for next time keep make football and FIFA World Cup most interested to watch.

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Quote from: arimamib on August 24, 2022, 08:42:53 AM

The World Cup is an opportunity to show skills for young players who have the potential for a bright future, they will show their talent to steal the attention of elite clubs in Europe. Players will change over time, because they can't fight the movement of age. We used to be able to watch the beautiful game of Ronaldinho, after that it was Messi and Ronaldo. Maybe in the future other talented players can be born to replace their role. Losing the two gridiron legends will not reduce the interest of football lovers in the 2026 world cup, because generations of players will continue to change.

Players may come and go. But for my generation, Messi and Ronaldo are like legends. They represent the sport of football for an entire generation, as they have been playing for more than 15 years. Obviously in the next world cup (2026) some new player may take their place. And it is quite possible that some of the younger fans back then won't recognize how good Messi and Ronaldo were. For my parents' generation, Diego Maradona, Zinedine Zidane, Peter Schmeichel, Romário and Roberto Baggio were the heroes. But I don't feel nostalgic for them, because I was a small kid back then. For me, my heroes are Messi and Ronaldo. For the next generation, it maybe someone else.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 23, 2022, 10:44:08 PM

Quote from: arimamib on August 23, 2022, 09:51:44 AM

Football is a team game, not an individual show. But the team desperately needs some top players, even though his level below Messi and Ronaldo can at least make a difference in the game. Ronaldo and Messi are legends that will never be forgotten in football, after Ronaldo and Messi are no longer (retired) other players will appear. The Qatar World Cup became their last competition in the most prestigious football stage, after that they were no longer possible to appear in this quadrennial event because of their age.

I really feel sad when I think that I will never get to see Ronaldo and Messi in the world cup again. New players will emerge next time (and 2026 world cup is going to feature 48 teams), but I don't think that anyone will be able to match these two. Qatar 2022 will be the last (as well as first) world cup for Gareth Bale as well. I feel sad, but at least he got a chance to play in the world cup this time. Much luckier than Goran Pandeev, who never got an opportunity. This time a lot of good players will retire, including Luka Modric, Luis Suarez, Edinson Cavani, Manuel Neuer and Thomas Muller.

The World Cup is an opportunity to show skills for young players who have the potential for a bright future, they will show their talent to steal the attention of elite clubs in Europe. Players will change over time, because they can't fight the movement of age. We used to be able to watch the beautiful game of Ronaldinho, after that it was Messi and Ronaldo. Maybe in the future other talented players can be born to replace their role. Losing the two gridiron legends will not reduce the interest of football lovers in the 2026 world cup, because generations of players will continue to change.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on August 23, 2022, 06:50:44 AM

I still can't understand how a team that were expected to reach the finale could be eliminated by North Macedonia in the play-off round. I know that it has been a long time since it happened but it's hard to absorb.
Injuries can play a big role for the competing teams in this World Cup.
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I'd like to asnwer this because this is why we are here betting on soccer (other sports too) but soccer is something else...
A lot of matches are simply unpredictable, maybe impossible to find out what's happened.

I don't think Italy lost the chance to World Cup due to injuries, look at the chart:

If I ask any person here which team to bet on 1st place, I'm sure more than 90% would say Italy, but somehow Switzerland was more consistent and won the world cup slot
This was where Italy lost the spot
Curiosity: Italy didn't lose a match in groups, 6 more teams didn't lose too.
So, strange things always happens in soccer, and EUFA qualifiers is a hard way to get to World Cup.

Next World Cup will have more teams, Italy have the chance to get a new generation of players to play again in a higher level.

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Quote from: arimamib on August 23, 2022, 09:51:44 AM

Football is a team game, not an individual show. But the team desperately needs some top players, even though his level below Messi and Ronaldo can at least make a difference in the game. Ronaldo and Messi are legends that will never be forgotten in football, after Ronaldo and Messi are no longer (retired) other players will appear. The Qatar World Cup became their last competition in the most prestigious football stage, after that they were no longer possible to appear in this quadrennial event because of their age.

I really feel sad when I think that I will never get to see Ronaldo and Messi in the world cup again. New players will emerge next time (and 2026 world cup is going to feature 48 teams), but I don't think that anyone will be able to match these two. Qatar 2022 will be the last (as well as first) world cup for Gareth Bale as well. I feel sad, but at least he got a chance to play in the world cup this time. Much luckier than Goran Pandeev, who never got an opportunity. This time a lot of good players will retire, including Luka Modric, Luis Suarez, Edinson Cavani, Manuel Neuer and Thomas Muller.

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Quote from: lixer on August 23, 2022, 12:28:05 PM

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Injuries surely going to be had big impact on this world cup and many teams because as we can check right now many clubs are facing serious issues even they have suitable replacements but still these are not enough for them to give support same going to happen in World Cup with Pogba factor is also having big impact on France even mostly are feeling he will be fit for World Cup but still doubts are also on and right now European Soccer season is under progress where we can face some more troubles as well which is also crucial for many top rank teams.

For better predictions and views about World Cup we have to wait for full squads just before world cup because this will give clear details about all teams and their chances into world cup right now giving predictions are not good enough just early talk is ok, but predictions are still far away.

When you mentioned injuries I remembered about covid. Hopefully we won't have an issue with that in this World Cup. Since the last one happened in 2018, in a world without covid, I really hope the first post-covid19 world cup happens without an issue. I mean it in every way. It's not only the virus itself that can cause controversies in a sport, governments can also cause them by denying/revoking visas, just like what happened to Djokovic in Australia recently for the 2022 Melbourne open...

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Quote from: emrecemsan on August 23, 2022, 06:50:44 AM

I still can't understand how a team that were expected to reach the finale could be eliminated by North Macedonia in the play-off round. I know that it has been a long time since it happened but it's hard to absorb.

Injuries can play a big role for the competing teams in this World Cup. Because the tournament is like in the middle of the season. Players are going to play so many matches before the World Cup starts and this clearly increases the probability of injuries. For example, Pogba is still suffering from a meniscal injury but he is thankfully expected to return on September 12. But he is still injury-prone and this is a big risk for the France midfield.

The biggest favourites might lose some of their important players like this as a result of a tight schedule. And this would upset the balances. Therefore I believe that it is still early to make sure of the success rate of any team now.

Injuries surely going to be had big impact on this world cup and many teams because as we can check right now many clubs are facing serious issues even they have suitable replacements but still these are not enough for them to give support same going to happen in World Cup with Pogba factor is also having big impact on France even mostly are feeling he will be fit for World Cup but still doubts are also on and right now European Soccer season is under progress where we can face some more troubles as well which is also crucial for many top rank teams.

For better predictions and views about World Cup we have to wait for full squads just before world cup because this will give clear details about all teams and their chances into world cup right now giving predictions are not good enough just early talk is ok, but predictions are still far away.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 22, 2022, 10:58:20 PM

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I think with all them less popularity than Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo, I don't see have any young player like Mbappe and Haaland have popularity with their fans, but football keep running although Messi and Ronaldo have been retired.

LOL... You can't compare Messi and Ronaldo with players such as Cavani. Messi and Ronaldo are absolute legends. They are the best of the best. Suarez, Modric.etc had their small periods of fame, but they haven't managed to keep their form continuously. And we can say with 100% confidence that Messi and Ronaldo can single-handedly win matches for their teams. How many of the other players have this capability? Without support from the other players, how many of them can win matches for their teams?

Football is a team game, not an individual show. But the team desperately needs some top players, even though his level below Messi and Ronaldo can at least make a difference in the game. Ronaldo and Messi are legends that will never be forgotten in football, after Ronaldo and Messi are no longer (retired) other players will appear. The Qatar World Cup became their last competition in the most prestigious football stage, after that they were no longer possible to appear in this quadrennial event because of their age.

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I still can't understand how a team that were expected to reach the finale could be eliminated by North Macedonia in the play-off round. I know that it has been a long time since it happened but it's hard to absorb.

Injuries can play a big role for the competing teams in this World Cup. Because the tournament is like in the middle of the season. Players are going to play so many matches before the World Cup starts and this clearly increases the probability of injuries. For example, Pogba is still suffering from a meniscal injury but he is thankfully expected to return on September 12. But he is still injury-prone and this is a big risk for the France midfield.

The biggest favourites might lose some of their important players like this as a result of a tight schedule. And this would upset the balances. Therefore I believe that it is still early to make sure of the success rate of any team now.

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@Agbe can you edit the poll to include more squads? (reset this one)

Italy will not play World Cup

My suggestion is something like the most favorite in the odds:

France
Brazil
Argentina
Spain
Germany
Portugal
Netherlands
England
Belgium

This way we can see which team is the favorite among us Grin

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Quote from: nullama on August 22, 2022, 11:38:36 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 22, 2022, 10:58:20 PM

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LOL... You can't compare Messi and Ronaldo with players such as Cavani. Messi and Ronaldo are absolute legends. They are the best of the best. Suarez, Modric.etc had their small periods of fame, but they haven't managed to keep their form continuously. And we can say with 100% confidence that Messi and Ronaldo can single-handedly win matches for their teams. How many of the other players have this capability? Without support from the other players, how many of them can win matches for their teams?

I don't know about Cavani, but I remember Suarez having a few moments like that, in which he would basically just win the match by himself.

Also, I'm not sure Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo will perform at their peak in this World Cup, as they're already almost retired. Still amazing players, but not sure they're at their peak today.

I know what you are talking about. 2010 World cup, quarter final match between Ghana and Uruguay. But it was very controversial. Suarez made a foul, which prevented Ghanaian player from scoring. He got a red card for that, but the penalty kick was saved by the Uruguay goalkeeper. In the penalty shootout, Uruguay won by 4-2. Suarez attracted a lot of criticism and a lot of people thought that Ghana was robbed of a place in the semi-finals. Before that, the combination of Diego Forlán and Luis Suárez worked like magic for Uruguay.

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Quote from: nullama on August 22, 2022, 11:51:50 PM

Quote from: gagux123 on August 22, 2022, 11:46:16 PM

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If the stadiums have air conditioning or some kind of climate control, wouldn't that be enough to decrease the temperatures and the world cup could happen in the middle of the year!!?

Well, the world cup is more than just the 90 minutes in the field.

In July the temperatures in Doha can get up to 40+ degrees, so that's not really nice for all the tourists that will be around the city.

Instead, in November the median temperature is 26, so that makes it an ideal place to visit.

Remember that this is a massive investment and they will want to have some kind of economic return, with people there spending money locally, with a comfortable weather.

And also, it's nice for the fans in the Southern Hemisphere to get to see the world cup closer to summer time there.

Tell me if I am wrong, but I don't think they are pursuing a direct return on investment from the World Cup in Qatar. In my opinion this is much more about sportswashing than it is about making money from tourism. When you are allowed to host an event of such size and importance, it has a lot of influence on how people around the world perceive a country. Qatar is trying to create memories and influence the mind of the global society by presenting themselves as those liberal hosts who want peace and freedom for everyone. Especially for a country that suppresses women and many minorities so hard, an event like the World Cup can have an enormous effect.

We should be careful in believing what we just see with our eyes and instead listen to critical journalism as well.

There has just been this news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/qatar-detains-workers-protesting-late-pay-ahead-of-world-cup-advocacy-group-says/

It doesn't stop and I don't believe it will be fully stopped while the World Cup is going on. A lot of the bad stuff will just be hidden as good as possible and journalists will be heavily restricted in regards to their access rights and the questions they might be allowed to ask (or not).

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Quote from: gagux123 on August 22, 2022, 11:46:16 PM

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If the stadiums have air conditioning or some kind of climate control, wouldn't that be enough to decrease the temperatures and the world cup could happen in the middle of the year!!?

Well, the world cup is more than just the 90 minutes in the field.

In July the temperatures in Doha can get up to 40+ degrees, so that's not really nice for all the tourists that will be around the city.

Instead, in November the median temperature is 26, so that makes it an ideal place to visit.

Remember that this is a massive investment and they will want to have some kind of economic return, with people there spending money locally, with a comfortable weather.

And also, it's nice for the fans in the Southern Hemisphere to get to see the world cup closer to summer time there.

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