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Quote from: Polkeins on March 07, 2022, 05:05:05 AM

Quote from: fzkto on March 06, 2022, 04:10:44 PM

This is the wildest thing I have ever seen. Even during the First World War, the warring sides played a football match, stopping the confrontation for one day. I can understand sanctions relating to the aggressor country's economy, I can understand disconnection from SWIFT, but denying the ability to participate in sporting events is beyond comprehension. Yes, Spartak Moscow is a Russian club, but more than half of its squad is made up of foreigners. This is nonsense.

In general, it was correctly noticed here that neither Saudi Arabia, nor Iraq, nor Iran, nor Yemen were subjected to such sanctions. But here is other case.

The reason behind every country have got different reasons. The ongoing war decision by Russia over Ukraine seems to be an unwanted war. Even after contempt from several countries and organisations around the globe Russia stood on its decision. Sports is part of the government and that's why sporting organization have restricted Russia. Maybe this will have its contribution in stopping the war.

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Quote from: fzkto on March 06, 2022, 04:10:44 PM

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In the 1914, more than 100 ago on the First World War, sport has not been so politicized like in our time.
At that time, 100 years ago, sports really was something of an "outlet" for many ordinary people, especially for those who tired of the world war, people was depressed and frustrated cause they did not know war like first world war until that time.
Now sport is almost indistinguishable from politics. The same functionaries, the same big money. Now all decisions are made taking into account the policy.
In general, it was correctly noticed here that neither Saudi Arabia, nor Iraq, nor Iran, nor Yemen were subjected to such sanctions. But here is other case.

quite sad IMO, as you said that sport in world war 1 was used as an outlet for those who are tired and bored with war but now it is used as a political tool

I know this is an attempt to stop the war but I agree with others that it is definitely not effective. Until now hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens continue to hold relentless demonstrations to urge the war to be stopped

Football has become one of the sports loved by Russian citizens, they are victims, but they are the ones who have to suffer from Putin's actions

I would add that all ordinary people suffer in this war. Ordinary, not oligarchs and not billionaires, they will pay for everything. For example, the same ordinary people in Europe will pay a "military" price for light, gas and heating, although they also have nothing to do with it. Ukraine and Russia supplied a huge amount of grain to the Middle East, what will happen to the prices of bread now? Last time, the Arab Spring began with the grain riots.
Sport was just the beginning. Now bans are coming from all sides every day. In fact, Russian clubs will not be able to physically play in Europe. Flights are blocked, visas still need to be obtained.
In general, this time politics intervened in the sport again. And this time openly and explicitly, without even being shy. Without trial and investigation, they just broke all their plans for innocent people.

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Quote from: Polkeins on March 07, 2022, 05:05:05 AM

Quote from: fzkto on March 06, 2022, 04:10:44 PM

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In the 1914, more than 100 ago on the First World War, sport has not been so politicized like in our time.
At that time, 100 years ago, sports really was something of an "outlet" for many ordinary people, especially for those who tired of the world war, people was depressed and frustrated cause they did not know war like first world war until that time.
Now sport is almost indistinguishable from politics. The same functionaries, the same big money. Now all decisions are made taking into account the policy.
In general, it was correctly noticed here that neither Saudi Arabia, nor Iraq, nor Iran, nor Yemen were subjected to such sanctions. But here is other case.

quite sad IMO, as you said that sport in world war 1 was used as an outlet for those who are tired and bored with war but now it is used as a political tool

I know this is an attempt to stop the war but I agree with others that it is definitely not effective. Until now hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens continue to hold relentless demonstrations to urge the war to be stopped

Football has become one of the sports loved by Russian citizens, they are victims, but they are the ones who have to suffer from Putin's actions

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Quote from: fzkto on March 06, 2022, 04:10:44 PM

This is the wildest thing I have ever seen. Even during the First World War, the warring sides played a football match, stopping the confrontation for one day. I can understand sanctions relating to the aggressor country's economy, I can understand disconnection from SWIFT, but denying the ability to participate in sporting events is beyond comprehension. Yes, Spartak Moscow is a Russian club, but more than half of its squad is made up of foreigners. This is nonsense.

In the 1914, more than 100 ago on the First World War, sport has not been so politicized like in our time.
At that time, 100 years ago, sports really was something of an "outlet" for many ordinary people, especially for those who tired of the world war, people was depressed and frustrated cause they did not know war like first world war until that time.
Now sport is almost indistinguishable from politics. The same functionaries, the same big money. Now all decisions are made taking into account the policy.
In general, it was correctly noticed here that neither Saudi Arabia, nor Iraq, nor Iran, nor Yemen were subjected to such sanctions. But here is other case.

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I'm not surprised with the decision since the talking heads of these organizations are you know what but I still do not agree. I would undertand if they just banned games to be played in Russia but not ban the team from playing sports.

Quote from: mindrust on March 03, 2022, 09:48:06 AM

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I wonder... why didn't FIFA ban the US when they were invading Iraq? (for nothing btw) Nobody was complaining back then when the US soldiers were bombing Baghdad and hanging Saddam Hussein live on TV. Suddenly everybody lost their shit when Russia is doing the same thing. I am not saying Russia is right to invade Ukraine. However, the reaction they are getting from the west is simply showing how two-faced the west really is.

The US nuked Japan ffs. NUKED. Nobody cared.

Yup! No further comment needed.

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Quote from: fzkto on March 06, 2022, 04:10:44 PM

This is the wildest thing I have ever seen. Even during the First World War, the warring sides played a football match, stopping the confrontation for one day. I can understand sanctions relating to the aggressor country's economy, I can understand disconnection from SWIFT, but denying the ability to participate in sporting events is beyond comprehension. Yes, Spartak Moscow is a Russian club, but more than half of its squad is made up of foreigners. This is nonsense.

There’s too much politics here, they believe imposing such restrictions againts private individual or athletes can force Russia to step out of Ukraine, I doubt on this one because those are the collateral damage only and it seems like Russian government their focus is not their athletes at the moment.

This is not the only sporting events that banned Russia from playing, this is really a nonsense decision but Russian athletes have to deal with it, they are just an individual and they are not the one who started the war yet people throw hates to them. Investors for the sports will surely think if investing is still worth it, this restrictions is a proof that centralized system is not good for investors.

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Quote from: Renampun on March 06, 2022, 06:06:19 PM

Quote from: fzkto on March 06, 2022, 04:10:44 PM

This is the wildest thing I have ever seen. Even during the First World War, the warring sides played a football match, stopping the confrontation for one day. I can understand sanctions relating to the aggressor country's economy, I can understand disconnection from SWIFT, but denying the ability to participate in sporting events is beyond comprehension. Yes, Spartak Moscow is a Russian club, but more than half of its squad is made up of foreigners. This is nonsense.

I am also quite concerned about the decision of FIFA and UEFA this time...

We are all aware that in this world the war is not only Ukraine and Russia, but also Yemen and Saudi or Palestine with Israel but why are sanctions related to football only imposed on Russia. I respect the decision of fifa and uefa but don't see this sanction as fair, football institutions should not interfere too much in politics.

Because Russia is a big threat to the world, and those countries are preventing the world war 3 which they can’t take easily against Russia, this is why there’s a huge pressure against them while the other conflict with other countries is not their focus at all. Sports should not interfere with politics, imagine the sacrifices of the athletes and they are the one to suffer because of their own government, not a fair if you’re a Russian athletes.

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Quote from: fzkto on March 06, 2022, 04:10:44 PM

This is the wildest thing I have ever seen. Even during the First World War, the warring sides played a football match, stopping the confrontation for one day. I can understand sanctions relating to the aggressor country's economy, I can understand disconnection from SWIFT, but denying the ability to participate in sporting events is beyond comprehension. Yes, Spartak Moscow is a Russian club, but more than half of its squad is made up of foreigners. This is nonsense.

I am also quite concerned about the decision of FIFA and UEFA this time...

We are all aware that in this world the war is not only Ukraine and Russia, but also Yemen and Saudi or Palestine with Israel but why are sanctions related to football only imposed on Russia. I respect the decision of fifa and uefa but don't see this sanction as fair, football institutions should not interfere too much in politics.

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You can say whatever you want, and I will never be on the side of evil, however this is not the way to go. What is the goal of such sanctions? Will Russia have less tanks now? Less motivation? Less money? What is the point of banning sports teams that have nothing to do with whats going on in the world of geopolitical events?

Are the Russians everywhere in the world supposed to hang their heads in shame and not say a word against their bank accounts being frozen, despite having nothing to do with Russia, while living in a foreign country?

At this point, all the Russian hatred is becoming a popular social fad, and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. The most disgusting examples are celebrities who pretend to care about Ukraine but find a way to make it about themselves.

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Russia had advanced to the second round of qualifiers and they were supposed to play against Poland on March 24, however due to the suspension not only they will be unable to play but it seems Poland is going to move automatically to the Final of Path B to dispute a ticket to the world cup, it is unfortunate that something like this is happening but I think we all knew it was coming, in the sport world Russia had been sanctioned several times already, and now with the invasion of Ukraine it seems many sport federations simply decided it was too much and took measures against Russia.

Earlier Poland announced that it won't play against Russia for the invasion it has done on Ukraine. By the time it seemed like an easy go for Russia to enter the final of B. Now the official announcement have made Poland get into the final. Russia shouldn't have done this. To build a nation it requires years and years. Now the sufferings were to the citizens, think of this players. With big dreams they might've given the best, but in the middle everything got vanished. Then to play the same series, they don't know when this gonna happen.

I am sorry for those players since they are in the middle of all of this and it is not their fault, at least when it came to the scandals of the Russian delegation at the Olympics it was the sport federation that was guilty of all of the wrongdoings they were accused of, but in this case the soccer federation of Russia and their players have nothing to do with the war at Ukraine, however as soon as I saw that the war at Ukraine finally happened I think we all knew something like this was bound to happen.

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Quote from: Oneandpure on March 06, 2022, 05:20:38 AM

FIFA and UEFA looks most aggressive with Russia invasion and always give support with Ukraine by giving attending applause before match begin on all competition for this week. But almost forget how have the same ideas when other country war invasion like Palestine attack by Israel and almost player and fans who give support for Palestine freedom get punishment and looks different with Ukraine. I think agree never have the same thing between war and football exactly not all people agree with war invasion and the player just take care with football only and I think enough with punishment getting by Russia right now.

I read an article about the situation just recently, and it said it is about threat level and not about war. Basically, it means that if there is a war in Iraq today, or Syria, or Egypt or Yemen, or Saudi Arabia etc etc, those all look like there is a situation that would conflict them inside and not the world. How could Europe be effected by a war in Saudi Arabia? They have been killing Yemeni people for a while and it doesn't impact Europe, or china has been killing many people and attacking a lot and it doesn't impact them.

However, Russia attacking Ukraine is right there, it is literally right their next door and it does impact them as well, it's happening on their border. Which is why they are this aggressive, it's about relative scale on how much impact it has on Europe.

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Finally, the Russian football federation or RFS appealed the sanctions that had been given by FIFA and UEFA against the Russian national team which was disqualified from the world cup play-off round and also Spartak Moscow who had to exit the last 16 of the UEFA Europe League early after being disqualified by UEFA. Strict steps were taken by the Russian football federation considering that there was no connection at all between the invasion and the war with Ukraine. FIFA and UEFA have criticized the political actions taken by some players and supporters when providing support for Palestine but currently UEFA and FIFA have quite different views with Russia invasion right now.

I've been seeing that political stand when it comes to the other countries in the middle-east part of attacks. They have nothing to say with their stand towards those affected countries but they're too aggressive when it comes to Russia. Well, we all don't like the invasion and what Russia is doing but it is that they're quiet when it comes to those countries unlike what they're taking action right now. Sports is what makes different race unites and hopefully this division will make them unite again.

FIFA and UEFA looks most aggressive with Russia invasion and always give support with Ukraine by giving attending applause before match begin on all competition for this week. But almost forget how have the same ideas when other country war invasion like Palestine attack by Israel and almost player and fans who give support for Palestine freedom get punishment and looks different with Ukraine. I think agree never have the same thing between war and football exactly not all people agree with war invasion and the player just take care with football only and I think enough with punishment getting by Russia right now.

We compare that and we'll just realize how sad it is for the poorer countries that were also invaded by their neighboring countries. With that belief and consideration.
We'll really see a huge difference if it's a favorable country and likely a "decent" to them. There's race different from all over the world and with these nonprofit organizations, they also have their bias although right now we're all with the same thought of defending and sympathizing with Ukraine.

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This is the wildest thing I have ever seen. Even during the First World War, the warring sides played a football match, stopping the confrontation for one day. I can understand sanctions relating to the aggressor country's economy, I can understand disconnection from SWIFT, but denying the ability to participate in sporting events is beyond comprehension. Yes, Spartak Moscow is a Russian club, but more than half of its squad is made up of foreigners. This is nonsense.

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Quote from: W Jr. on March 06, 2022, 06:20:47 AM

The country that started this war is Russia. Of course, there would be sanctions in some way, but I don't think football teams played a role in this. I think they could have continued the tournament. However, if there were teams with statements that could defend the war, they could have been eliminated. I have a lot of Russian friends who do not approve of Putin's war decision.

But on the other hand, isn't this something that is unfair in terms of sportsmanship? What I mean is that when it comes to restricting Russian athletes, doesn't this still apply to Ukraine because of course both sides at war even if Russia started the Invasion cannot be justified but with this kind of thing Ukraine also did nothing wrong?
Example. When there are 2 soccer players fighting on the field, of course, the referee will give a card, either yellow or red, to two players and this of course can still apply to both parties, not just one.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on March 06, 2022, 10:27:37 AM

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What do you guys think of this development? How will this affect the players and athletes as well as workers in/for the team, how about the forth coming world cup?

News about FIFA and UEFA taking decisions and actions against Russia, especially in the field of football, has been controversial and has gone viral in the sports media, but there are interesting things that Russia did for the national team, as stated: Russia appeals to CAS the expulsion of its national team from the World Cup by FIFA and UEFA, however I'm not sure if they work or not, Russia seems undaunted by the actions of FIFA and UEFA.

What is clear, during the turmoil between Russia and Ukraine, especially in the field of sports and gambling, many experienced losses and failures, I just hope this war ends soon and the world of sports can return to normal as before.

The Russian Football Union (RFU) immediately acted after being sanctioned by FIFA (the highest authority in a world football) and UEFA (as the parent a football federation in Europe). Fifa and Uefa's decision to suspend the Russian national team from competing in the sport of a football is a form of a criticism of Russia invasion of Ukraine.
The act of Russia invasion of Ukraine was wrong, so it was criticized by various countries.
However, the decisions of Fifa and Uefa can be detrimental to athletes, especially in a football branch that is struggling in the 2022 World Cup playoffs, and Spartak Moscow is also a victim because they are banned from continuing their struggle in the Europa League.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on March 01, 2022, 02:41:57 PM

What do you guys think of this development? How will this affect the players and athletes as well as workers in/for the team, how about the forth coming world cup?

I think sanctions like this are ridiculous!

FIFA's attitude, for example, to prevent games in Russian territory or to raise the flag and sing its anthem is a totally valid attitude, I'm sure the Russian players themselves are ashamed of the attitudes of their rulers.

However, forbidding these people to play, when they aren't at fault, is an exaggeration. There isn't point in penalizing them.

These people who put sanctions on Russian football players have double standards. Their such ignorant and pathetic losers. How would they feel if their players are banned too from playing, they've also done terrible things more than what Putin did. They've killed millions of people around the globe and their justification on invasion are baseless and all lies. They get away with these lies and the world is blind. Now they do this because the one aggress was one of their allies, what a hypocrite they are. I guess justice is only available to them and not to the other human in the world.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on March 01, 2022, 02:41:57 PM

What do you guys think of this development? How will this affect the players and athletes as well as workers in/for the team, how about the forth coming world cup?

News about FIFA and UEFA taking decisions and actions against Russia, especially in the field of football, has been controversial and has gone viral in the sports media, but there are interesting things that Russia did for the national team, as stated: Russia appeals to CAS the expulsion of its national team from the World Cup by FIFA and UEFA, however I'm not sure if they work or not, Russia seems undaunted by the actions of FIFA and UEFA.

What is clear, during the turmoil between Russia and Ukraine, especially in the field of sports and gambling, many experienced losses and failures, I just hope this war ends soon and the world of sports can return to normal as before.

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FIFA and UEFA looks most aggressive with Russia invasion and always give support with Ukraine by giving attending applause before match begin on all competition for this week. But almost forget how have the same ideas when other country war invasion like Palestine attack by Israel and almost player and fans who give support for Palestine freedom get punishment and looks different with Ukraine. I think agree never have the same thing between war and football exactly not all people agree with war invasion and the player just take care with football only and I think enough with punishment getting by Russia right now.

decisions taken by FIFA ^{(Russia team banned from world cup)} very precise, even though the players are innocent but Russian football is the one that the Russian government pays the most attention to. war between the two countries must end soon so that these sanctions are effective, but if successful then sanctions like this must also be tried against other countries that are currently at war.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on March 01, 2022, 02:41:57 PM

What do you guys think of this development? How will this affect the players and athletes as well as workers in/for the team, how about the forth coming world cup?

I think sanctions like this are ridiculous!

FIFA's attitude, for example, to prevent games in Russian territory or to raise the flag and sing its anthem is a totally valid attitude, I'm sure the Russian players themselves are ashamed of the attitudes of their rulers.

However, forbidding these people to play, when they aren't at fault, is an exaggeration. There isn't point in penalizing them.

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Quote from: masulum on March 03, 2022, 09:34:40 AM

FIFA must be consistent with regulations like this, if they don't want to include the names of countries attacking other countries because of political problems until a war occurs like Russia, then in the future they must do the same thing. It would be unfair if this was only done for Russia, considering that football should not be associated with politics. If I'm not mistaken, in the past when Israel and Palestine had political problems, FIFA did not take serious action against Israeli football. (CMIIW). So, if this is the first step from FIFA, and the same thing should be done in the future.

in this case where russia invaded a democratic country and without any justifiable reason, fifa had to take a tough stance and that shows that events like these they will punish, in the case of israel and palestine it is a war in which it becomes difficult for FIFA put the same hard measure. It is not possible for any sport to be separated from politics, governments are the ones who create public policies, laws and rules and sport organizations follow these laws, normal and rules. sport will always go hand in hand with politics

Quote from: W Jr. on March 06, 2022, 06:20:47 AM

The country that started this war is Russia. Of course, there would be sanctions in some way, but I don't think football teams played a role in this. I think they could have continued the tournament. However, if there were teams with statements that could defend the war, they could have been eliminated. I have a lot of Russian friends who do not approve of Putin's war decision.

the point with this measure is to isolate russia from the rest of the world so that such actions do not happen again

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