FIFA and UEFA has suspended Russian Football teams. - page 9.

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Quote from: uneng on March 10, 2022, 01:01:33 PM

There wasn't much FIFA could do about it, because that was the choice of Russia's opponents to not play against them and it was out of FIFA's control to force anyone to play in such circumstances, otherwise there wouldn't be any competition at all and only Russia would remain active on the world cup qualifiers, with every other national teams lefting it meanwhile.
I feel sorry for russian players who are against this invasion and would like to represent their country on the world cup with the same strength and vitality they did in 2018, but were unfortunatelly prejudiced by the actions of their national leader.

The first decision from FIFA was fair to both the sides. Initially they asked Russian team to play under the banner of the Russian Football Association and shifted the matches from Russia to a neutral country. Then due to pressure from the US and the NATO bloc, the FIFA modified their initial decision and imposed a blanket ban on Russia and Belarus. Will their decision impact the ongoing war in anyway? I don't think so. It will just make Putin more determined to carry on with his invasion. In the end FIFA will witness football losing popularity to other sports in the Eurasian bloc.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on March 10, 2022, 04:37:37 PM

Quote from: uneng on March 10, 2022, 01:01:33 PM

I feel sorry for russian players who are against this invasion and would like to represent their country on the world cup with the same strength and vitality they did in 2018, but were unfortunatelly prejudiced by the actions of their national leader.

I used to feel sorry in the beginning but after seeing people who support the war on social media and write Z on their cars I no longer do. Russians are being brainwashed and they even say that they're planning to endure this like they always do. They will never rebel, they blame the West. It's a tragedy for both countries but Russians are to blame for everything that is going on.
I'm actually happy they were disqualified, especially after the following:

The behavior of an unhealthy person was very well demonstrated by Marina Ulyankina, coach of the Russian national gymnastics team. She commented on the sanctions on the participation of Russian and Belarusian athletes in competitions.

Instead of influencing her regime, the coach resorted to intimidation. This time she turned to Japan.
We must remind Watanabe – Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
– Ulyankina wrote on social networks.
Morinari Watanabe is a Japanese businessman who is the president of the International Gymnastics Federation.

https://thetimeshub.in/we-must-remind-watanabe-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-the-russian-coach-scares-japan-with-nuclear-weapons

I don't know what to think about it, because russian captured prisioners said they didn't even know they were going to invade Ukraine, neither their families, while others said they received the information the country was dominated by fascists.

So there are lots of lies and misinformation going on in Russia and people there don't have access to the media like people from another countries (I'm not sure if it is due to ignorance or if free media and free access to internet is restricted there).

But regards the statement of the national gymnastics team's coach, it is shameful and disgusting, however it is expected people in command positions like this will act this way, because they will praise and endorse their leader's opinions and positions maximum as possible to earn points with the high command... Every countries have this type of scum people.

On the other hand, I'm not sure if the rest of the population agree with these threats and the bully style of Putin and his lacays towards another sovereight nations.

What do you think?

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Quote from: uneng on March 10, 2022, 01:01:33 PM

I feel sorry for russian players who are against this invasion and would like to represent their country on the world cup with the same strength and vitality they did in 2018, but were unfortunatelly prejudiced by the actions of their national leader.

I used to feel sorry in the beginning but after seeing people who support the war on social media and write Z on their cars I no longer do. Russians are being brainwashed and they even say that they're planning to endure this like they always do. They will never rebel, they blame the West. It's a tragedy for both countries but Russians are to blame for everything that is going on.
I'm actually happy they were disqualified, especially after the following:

The behavior of an unhealthy person was very well demonstrated by Marina Ulyankina, coach of the Russian national gymnastics team. She commented on the sanctions on the participation of Russian and Belarusian athletes in competitions.

Instead of influencing her regime, the coach resorted to intimidation. This time she turned to Japan.
We must remind Watanabe – Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
– Ulyankina wrote on social networks.
Morinari Watanabe is a Japanese businessman who is the president of the International Gymnastics Federation.

https://thetimeshub.in/we-must-remind-watanabe-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-the-russian-coach-scares-japan-with-nuclear-weapons

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There wasn't much FIFA could do about it, because that was the choice of Russia's opponents to not play against them and it was out of FIFA's control to force anyone to play in such circumstances, otherwise there wouldn't be any competition at all and only Russia would remain active on the world cup qualifiers, with every other national teams lefting it meanwhile.
I feel sorry for russian players who are against this invasion and would like to represent their country on the world cup with the same strength and vitality they did in 2018, but were unfortunatelly prejudiced by the actions of their national leader.

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Quote from: Oasisman on March 08, 2022, 06:12:17 AM

That made sense, other than considering it as a sole sanction.
This should also be something to consider, because this will cause an unexpected chaos that'll broaden the tension between 2 countries.
This war has affected so many lives particularly for the both Russia and Ukraine.

Russian bettors also gets affected as their favourite team won't be able to continue playing. So that means they'll need to opt to a different team, which might be less comfortable to put a bet for them.

To this day I have not heard of the effects of the sanctions imposed in the field of sports. Russia is still convinced of its aggression and war. I don't think it's a good strategic move from FIFA, because Russia also has a league played by outsiders. The Russians must have thought far about the doubt, so it seems they didn't pay much attention to that. Financially, they may be able to stand on their own. So they think the threat to state security is far more important than anything else.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on March 09, 2022, 06:45:12 PM

^ I dont know if this has already been posted it here but it is a bit scary and I am worried when President Putin says this.
( "Don’t you dare enter military affairs, stick to football. Russia will play at Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup or there will be no World Cup to talk about.”)
https://twitter.com/babra_williams/status/1500072304478408704
There is a lot of Tweet on Twitter and I will not drop more links here just research your own. How does anyone think on this is FIFA will continue because of what Putin said?

If you do see most of the replies it was been talking about being fake news which in all sanctions that Russia is facing on then i dont see that Putin would really put up some emphasis just on sport industry alone and would

really give out those kind of threats which turns out to be that dictatorial which somehow not surprising but i wont really be seeing for it to be childish for him to make out such step.
If this was true then that would surely put up some doubts on totally making out such decision on the entire organization.

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Quote from: tyz on March 10, 2022, 06:57:41 AM

Quote from: wildan88 on March 08, 2022, 01:55:50 PM

All measures taken have a major impact, but Putin does not want to budge. Apparently it doesn't matter much to him that everyone with Russian nationality is now being duped. Because it is now a sanction against Russian people, not against Russia. It should already be clear that Putin doesn't care much about what measures are taken, he will continue to the end. On the other hand, a diplomatic solution seemed impossible, it is a difficult story. You should actually sit somewhere in the middle, banning everything and everyone seems to me more fighting evil with evil and not the solution.

All the sanctions are aimed mainly at Putin's environment. I also believe that Putin is no longer accessible to the suffering of the population and the country in general, but the oligarchs on whom Putin is also dependent. He can overthrow one or two oligarchs and put them in a penal camp in Siberia with mock trials, but he can't do that to all of them. And it is precisely these oligarchs who are very much involved in sports. If you hit them hard, sooner or later you hit Putin, and I think that's the main plan behind these (sports) sanctions.

A perverse plan to be honest. I think few people know people like Roman Abramovich or Alisher Usmanov, they owned partially or completely such unknown clubs as Chelsea, Arsenal, Monaco. This is not counting a couple more English clubs, a league below.
Of course before no one in England or in the europe knew where they got the money from, how they got it, who gave it to them. They just came up and took all money, all billions from oil.
And then suddenly everyone "saw the light" at once. Before that, it was probably not visible all this. It is not visible how the oligarchs bought superyachts in Europe and huge mansions on the coast of Nice. But of course ordinary fans should suffer, whose football was an outlet, but now they have been deprived of it. Oligarchs now travel quietly in Europe. I didn't hear that any of them were badly hurt. When everything settles down, Chelsea and other teams will buy again.

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Quote from: wildan88 on March 08, 2022, 01:55:50 PM

All measures taken have a major impact, but Putin does not want to budge. Apparently it doesn't matter much to him that everyone with Russian nationality is now being duped. Because it is now a sanction against Russian people, not against Russia. It should already be clear that Putin doesn't care much about what measures are taken, he will continue to the end. On the other hand, a diplomatic solution seemed impossible, it is a difficult story. You should actually sit somewhere in the middle, banning everything and everyone seems to me more fighting evil with evil and not the solution.

All the sanctions are aimed mainly at Putin's environment. I also believe that Putin is no longer accessible to the suffering of the population and the country in general, but the oligarchs on whom Putin is also dependent. He can overthrow one or two oligarchs and put them in a penal camp in Siberia with mock trials, but he can't do that to all of them. And it is precisely these oligarchs who are very much involved in sports. If you hit them hard, sooner or later you hit Putin, and I think that's the main plan behind these (sports) sanctions.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 09, 2022, 10:15:08 PM

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I'm just hoping that someday when this war is done and Ukraine and Russia has agreed to stop this war, all of these suspensions would be gone and through sports, everyone is going to be reunited again.
There's some good news that I've read lately that Ukraine has stopped its interest of joining NATO which is why Russia is aggressing on them. But they've signed to be part of Europe.

The war is not going to end anytime soon, and so the sanctions will remain in place for a few more years at least. And we all know the nature of Putin. He is a very strong leader and he's least bothered about the sports sanctions. As long as the crude oil and natural gas prices remain at historic high levels, he is not going to be worried. The irony is that Putin is actually benefiting from the sanctions, as he is getting more $$$ from his crude oil and gas exports. And regarding the FIFA world cup, the chances that Russia would qualify was very low anyway.

Yeah, we know that it won't be ending soon but it's also not bad to hope that it will be ending soon. Well, there's still some exposure and money from these sporting events that would go in for Russia but yeah, he's bit least afraid of it.
Another thing about the crude oil, it seems that the countries that are importing oil are the ones having the sanction due to its price hike.

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With regard to these sanctions, I have seen that some Russian soccer players have hardly spoken, this is because there have been so many deaths of civilians and children that this makes it very tight, in fact there is a Colombian soccer player who was given permission to leave Russia and get to Colombia and until something is fixed about that problem or the war, well, he goes back there, apart from soccer, some people who want to leave Russia also have to do a lot of things to get permission, at it seems that both sport and other activities have been completely paralyzed, I don't know how good it is for some athletes worldwide this will affect them in their careers, because who would they represent? they would have to give up their Russian nationality and represent another country.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 09, 2022, 06:51:19 PM

I'm just hoping that someday when this war is done and Ukraine and Russia has agreed to stop this war, all of these suspensions would be gone and through sports, everyone is going to be reunited again.
There's some good news that I've read lately that Ukraine has stopped its interest of joining NATO which is why Russia is aggressing on them. But they've signed to be part of Europe.

The war is not going to end anytime soon, and so the sanctions will remain in place for a few more years at least. And we all know the nature of Putin. He is a very strong leader and he's least bothered about the sports sanctions. As long as the crude oil and natural gas prices remain at historic high levels, he is not going to be worried. The irony is that Putin is actually benefiting from the sanctions, as he is getting more $$$ from his crude oil and gas exports. And regarding the FIFA world cup, the chances that Russia would qualify was very low anyway.

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Quote from: Mahanton on March 08, 2022, 03:43:51 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 08, 2022, 02:56:04 AM

It's the same for other race. The government and its leader doing its thing while many of its constituents are disagreeing with what they're seeing.
We're all for peace and we can't do anything that much with it because we're just citizens that are following orders of the government and we can feel the Russian peace keeping people. Whether it's for the sports, football and any other sporting events, they all want peace but they're divided because of what the government is being done to Ukraine and its people.

There's no exemption actually yet these decisions could really be also done on particular the same scenario or situation no matter what country is involved with.They would really be still having on the
same input and decision to be made on time like this which its true that there's nothing we can do but to abide with those laws or rules been set out or else you do know on what would happen.
If they do make out such decision then it would be final and it would really be just changed up if everything goes fine again.

I'm just hoping that someday when this war is done and Ukraine and Russia has agreed to stop this war, all of these suspensions would be gone and through sports, everyone is going to be reunited again.
There's some good news that I've read lately that Ukraine has stopped its interest of joining NATO which is why Russia is aggressing on them. But they've signed to be part of Europe.

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^ I dont know if this has already been posted it here but it is a bit scary and I am worried when President Putin says this.
( "Don’t you dare enter military affairs, stick to football. Russia will play at Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup or there will be no World Cup to talk about.”)
https://twitter.com/babra_williams/status/1500072304478408704
There is a lot of Tweet on Twitter and I will not drop more links here just research your own. How does anyone think on this is FIFA will continue because of what Putin said?

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Quote from: TopT3ns on March 09, 2022, 01:02:02 AM

Quote from: crzy on March 07, 2022, 04:37:24 PM

The economy of Russia will soon collapse because of this sanctions though its sad because sports are being dragged into this kind of politics, I feel sorry to those athletes who spend their life for the sports. Well the only one to blame here are the Russian government and ordinary people have to deal with this. Russia is not giving up, they still threatening other countries and looks like he is willing to go all out on this war.

I think is not true about Russia economic collapse soon after have several country try to banned Russia, exactly right now oil have pump price above increase 46%. But what happening with economic situation is not apply on football competition where FIFA and UEFA have suspended Russia from all football competition, I think need ask apology how to give access back for Russia can play on World Cup play off against with Poland on 28th March, I think FIFA never have ideas for Banned some countries participating on football competition.

You would really expecting something like this kind of decision on which if you do see that everyone do make out some sanctions or cutting off ties then its expected that politics would also takes place when it comes to this.

Not surprising that they would really be making out decisions on what we are currently seeing as of this moment.It wont really be giving out bad impressions towards their decision because
this is where everyone is really been doing so it wouldnt really be getting much attention or issues.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on March 09, 2022, 01:02:02 AM

Quote from: crzy on March 07, 2022, 04:37:24 PM

The economy of Russia will soon collapse because of this sanctions though its sad because sports are being dragged into this kind of politics, I feel sorry to those athletes who spend their life for the sports. Well the only one to blame here are the Russian government and ordinary people have to deal with this. Russia is not giving up, they still threatening other countries and looks like he is willing to go all out on this war.

I think is not true about Russia economic collapse soon after have several country try to banned Russia, exactly right now oil have pump price above increase 46%. But what happening with economic situation is not apply on football competition where FIFA and UEFA have suspended Russia from all football competition, I think need ask apology how to give access back for Russia can play on World Cup play off against with Poland on 28th March, I think FIFA never have ideas for Banned some countries participating on football competition.

After the sanctions the economy of Russia has indeed gone down in a significant way, however once Russia becomes more stable and gets all the territory of Ukraine integrated in their territory then those sanctions are going to mean little for them.

After all even if a new round of sanctions is implemented they are not going to cause the same impact as the ones we already saw, as it is common sense to think the US used their most powerful sanctions from the very beginning of the conflict and now their economic weapons left on their arsenal will be small and will never have the same impact.

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Quote from: crzy on March 07, 2022, 04:37:24 PM

The economy of Russia will soon collapse because of this sanctions though its sad because sports are being dragged into this kind of politics, I feel sorry to those athletes who spend their life for the sports. Well the only one to blame here are the Russian government and ordinary people have to deal with this. Russia is not giving up, they still threatening other countries and looks like he is willing to go all out on this war.

I think is not true about Russia economic collapse soon after have several country try to banned Russia, exactly right now oil have pump price above increase 46%. But what happening with economic situation is not apply on football competition where FIFA and UEFA have suspended Russia from all football competition, I think need ask apology how to give access back for Russia can play on World Cup play off against with Poland on 28th March, I think FIFA never have ideas for Banned some countries participating on football competition.

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Quote from: mia_houston on March 08, 2022, 06:42:02 AM

Quote from: crzy on March 07, 2022, 04:37:24 PM

The economy of Russia will soon collapse because of this sanctions though its sad because sports are being dragged into this kind of politics, I feel sorry to those athletes who spend their life for the sports. Well the only one to blame here are the Russian government and ordinary people have to deal with this. Russia is not giving up, they still threatening other countries and looks like he is willing to go all out on this war.

The sanctions that western countries continue to impose on Russia have not stopped the Russian government from carrying out their attacks on Ukraine, in my opinion, what the world sports organizations are implementing against Russia will also not have much effect on their political decisions, indeed in this case many athletes are disadvantaged and should world organizations sport should be able to take decisions that are neutral and not detrimental to the athletes, maybe in my opinion instead of banning Russian athletes from competing, wouldn't it be better to impose sanctions banning Russia from hosting every world sporting event held in the future, applying total sanctions to this athlete who has no connection at all to politics is clearly destroying the basic principles that have had the sport so far.

They probably knew all of this before they implemented those sanctions and they still did it, so it is unlikely they are going to change their mind once they made their decision public, after all if they decided to reverse their decision at this moment then the ones that will receive a massive backlash will be themselves, for taking a stance and then by not being able to maintain it, so I doubt we will see any change on their policies any time soon.

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Quote from: Alanaz on March 06, 2022, 01:54:38 PM

Quote from: W Jr. on March 06, 2022, 05:20:47 AM

The country that started this war is Russia. Of course, there would be sanctions in some way, but I don't think football teams played a role in this. I think they could have continued the tournament. However, if there were teams with statements that could defend the war, they could have been eliminated. I have a lot of Russian friends who do not approve of Putin's war decision.

But on the other hand, isn't this something that is unfair in terms of sportsmanship? What I mean is that when it comes to restricting Russian athletes, doesn't this still apply to Ukraine because of course both sides at war even if Russia started the Invasion cannot be justified but with this kind of thing Ukraine also did nothing wrong?
Example. When there are 2 soccer players fighting on the field, of course, the referee will give a card, either yellow or red, to two players and this of course can still apply to both parties, not just one.

Considering that Ukraine is defending itself, this is not unfair. In fact, Russia unfairly declared war on Ukraine. In this case, this sanction was to punish Russia. I'm sure UEFA and Fifa know that the Russian teams are not at fault. We cannot think in the same way as the penalty given to both teams. Russia shows that it is not considering these sanctions at the moment. Even if there are no sanctions for the Ukrainian teams, I don't think they can concentrate on football.

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Of course everyone thought that such sanctions would make Putin think, but nothing is worth less. Doesn't seem to care about it, not impressed. You can only tackle such things by directly addressing Putin, for example that he can no longer access his money. Now many Russian clubs and athletes have been duped, while there is nothing they can do about it and probably a large part of them will not even support Putin's regime. But they can't speak out for fear of reprisals.

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I don't know. I don't support Russia but I find these actions absurd. There are millions of people in Russia who are against the war. Punishment method is very wrong. Putting an embargo on sports and art does not justify anyone. All of this must end as soon as possible. Peace for all.

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