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I won't argue that you don't have a point, but let's assume the FIFA made a mistake for NOT excluding USA for the Iraq invasion. Does your logic lead you to the conclusion that they should either correct that mistake for the future and exclude invaders, or are you deriving the conclusion that since the FIFA made a mistake with USA and Iraq, they should keep doing the same mistake throughout the future forever with any other country that invades acknowledged foreign territory? I think the FIFA should rather correct their mistake and exclude any nation for actions as we see them now from Russia.

PS: I'd like to know whether you think that Russia vs. Ukraine is 1:1 comparable to USA vs. Iraq. At least Russia didn't have a 9/11.

FIFA and UEFA had made mistakes many times not just once. Iraq was invaded and nothing happened, same for Afghanistan and Libya. But this time since an ally of USA and west was invaded we are seeing sanctions and protest against Russia. The world has dual face, one of weak and other for powerful.

Ask Russia and they will tell you why they attack ukarine, for them reason may be bigger then 9/11.
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Maybe FIFA is looking at exceptional cases or it is just a new idealogy that has come to their mind. The case of US and Iraq, I guess it had a cause which was the 9/11 bumping of world trade center, pentagon and other misses of attacks (like the white house). So I believe US traced their suspect there or something which I may not know the exact information for that but if that was so, I guess US could be justified if they went searching but then maybe FIFA is looking the whole thing from different perspective.

You are nuts, if you believe that the 9/11 attacks had anything to do with Iraq. The Ba'ath regimes of Saddam Hussain in Iraq and Assad in Syria were secular, and they managed to keep Islamists out of power for many decades. The American invasion tried to overthrow these regimes and install Islamists in power. They were successful in Iraq, but failed in Syria. And the 9/11 attacks were planned and executed by the Taliban, an outfit that was created and trained by the Americans themselves to fight against the USSR in Afghanistan.

That's why lots of people hate the US nowadays. When you overthrow the legitimate secular rulers of a state and bring islamist terrorists instead, lots of smart people won't like this and remember it for the rest of their lives. The US couldn't do this shit in Syria and I am grateful to Putin for standing against it. If Russia wasn't there, Syria was another Moslem Brotherhood state now.
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But it seems that a move like this has no real effect for Russia itself, because even though many teams have been suspended and also many of them have received other policies such as account freezing that befell Roman Abramovich. In fact Russia is still on the offensive, not even a serious response from their president with what happened with the suspended team and other things too. Meanwhile, the suspension will be relaxed or released after the war subsides or ends, if there is no point of peace then of course it will be very worrying because it is very possible that the war will get wider.
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Maybe FIFA is looking at exceptional cases or it is just a new idealogy that has come to their mind. The case of US and Iraq, I guess it had a cause which was the 9/11 bumping of world trade center, pentagon and other misses of attacks (like the white house). So I believe US traced their suspect there or something which I may not know the exact information for that but if that was so, I guess US could be justified if they went searching but then maybe FIFA is looking the whole thing from different perspective.
It's not a consideration, it's football that has been politically tampered with. The US is the country that has caused the most conflicts since World War II, but it does not appear to be blamed by the United Nations or other nations.
The act of not allowing Russia to participate in the World Cup is an evil political act of the US and Nato governments.
Football is considered a sport regardless of color, race and equality, but America is polluting the purity of the sport.
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Maybe FIFA is looking at exceptional cases or it is just a new idealogy that has come to their mind. The case of US and Iraq, I guess it had a cause which was the 9/11 bumping of world trade center, pentagon and other misses of attacks (like the white house). So I believe US traced their suspect there or something which I may not know the exact information for that but if that was so, I guess US could be justified if they went searching but then maybe FIFA is looking the whole thing from different perspective.

You are nuts, if you believe that the 9/11 attacks had anything to do with Iraq. The Ba'ath regimes of Saddam Hussain in Iraq and Assad in Syria were secular, and they managed to keep Islamists out of power for many decades. The American invasion tried to overthrow these regimes and install Islamists in power. They were successful in Iraq, but failed in Syria. And the 9/11 attacks were planned and executed by the Taliban, an outfit that was created and trained by the Americans themselves to fight against the USSR in Afghanistan.
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I won't argue that you don't have a point, but let's assume the FIFA made a mistake for NOT excluding USA for the Iraq invasion. Does your logic lead you to the conclusion that they should either correct that mistake for the future and exclude invaders, or are you deriving the conclusion that since the FIFA made a mistake with USA and Iraq, they should keep doing the same mistake throughout the future forever with any other country that invades acknowledged foreign territory? I think the FIFA should rather correct their mistake and exclude any nation for actions as we see them now from Russia.

PS: I'd like to know whether you think that Russia vs. Ukraine is 1:1 comparable to USA vs. Iraq. At least Russia didn't have a 9/11.
USA cause a lot of war in the past years, and they didn’t even suffer any suspension or any sanctions maybe because many countries are afraid of them or they just made a lot of allies that can support them from a war. I just can’t get the reason why a sporting events are getting into action with regards to war, as far as I know the athletes are not the reason why the war started. Well, this is already happening and maybe we can expect more of this if some countries also started with a war, sanctions is another form of economic war most probably.

Maybe FIFA is looking at exceptional cases or it is just a new idealogy that has come to their mind. The case of US and Iraq, I guess it had a cause which was the 9/11 bumping of world trade center, pentagon and other misses of attacks (like the white house). So I believe US traced their suspect there or something which I may not know the exact information for that but if that was so, I guess US could be justified if they went searching but then maybe FIFA is looking the whole thing from different perspective.
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I won't argue that you don't have a point, but let's assume the FIFA made a mistake for NOT excluding USA for the Iraq invasion. Does your logic lead you to the conclusion that they should either correct that mistake for the future and exclude invaders, or are you deriving the conclusion that since the FIFA made a mistake with USA and Iraq, they should keep doing the same mistake throughout the future forever with any other country that invades acknowledged foreign territory? I think the FIFA should rather correct their mistake and exclude any nation for actions as we see them now from Russia.

PS: I'd like to know whether you think that Russia vs. Ukraine is 1:1 comparable to USA vs. Iraq. At least Russia didn't have a 9/11.
USA cause a lot of war in the past years, and they didn’t even suffer any suspension or any sanctions maybe because many countries are afraid of them or they just made a lot of allies that can support them from a war. I just can’t get the reason why a sporting events are getting into action with regards to war, as far as I know the athletes are not the reason why the war started. Well, this is already happening and maybe we can expect more of this if some countries also started with a war, sanctions is another form of economic war most probably.
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All measures taken have a major impact, but Putin does not want to budge. Apparently it doesn't matter much to him that everyone with Russian nationality is now being duped. Because it is now a sanction against Russian people, not against Russia. It should already be clear that Putin doesn't care much about what measures are taken, he will continue to the end. On the other hand, a diplomatic solution seemed impossible, it is a difficult story. You should actually sit somewhere in the middle, banning everything and everyone seems to me more fighting evil with evil and not the solution.

All the sanctions are aimed mainly at Putin's environment. I also believe that Putin is no longer accessible to the suffering of the population and the country in general, but the oligarchs on whom Putin is also dependent. He can overthrow one or two oligarchs and put them in a penal camp in Siberia with mock trials, but he can't do that to all of them. And it is precisely these oligarchs who are very much involved in sports. If you hit them hard, sooner or later you hit Putin, and I think that's the main plan behind these (sports) sanctions.

A perverse plan to be honest. I think few people know people like Roman Abramovich or Alisher Usmanov, they owned partially or completely such unknown clubs as Chelsea, Arsenal, Monaco. This is not counting a couple more English clubs, a league below.
Of course before no one in England or in the europe knew where they got the money from, how they got it, who gave it to them. They just came up and took all money, all billions from oil.
And then suddenly everyone "saw the light" at once. Before that, it was probably not visible all this. It is not visible how the oligarchs bought superyachts in Europe and huge mansions on the coast of Nice. But of course ordinary fans should suffer, whose football was an outlet, but now they have been deprived of it. Oligarchs now travel quietly in Europe. I didn't hear that any of them were badly hurt.  When everything settles down, Chelsea and other teams will buy again.

The reasoning of the UEFA and FIFA is different than you think and I must say when I read their statement it made sense to me:

They are saying that Ukraine's can't participate in sports activities right now because they have no administration and no practicing anymore because of the Russian war. None of the Ukraine sportsmen and women is to blame for the war, but they are the one's who can't participate in any competition. It would then be wrong to allow Russians to participate while their country invades another country: It is not against Russians, it is for justice between the Russians and the Ukrainians. There is some more background to that and I get their point. Also keep in mind that Russia is still be dealing with sanctions because of doping and so on. I think it is time to really take a stand against Russian practices in general. Russian sportsmen and women in the future should refuse to participate in illegal practices. I know probably everyone does, but Russia took it way beyond any acceptable limit (if there is something like an acceptable limit at all....)
Well, for example, should the United States of America be excluded from competitions for Iraq and Afghanistan, for example? The national teams of those countries could not participate competitively either because their country was razed to the ground. Although most of the athletes are from those countries were not terrorists and did not support any terrorist organizations. Or the ban can only apply to certain countries and, for example, the United States, it should not apply for some reason?
Therefore, FIFA must be completely consistent and exclude all countries that organize wars. Otherwise, it becomes clear that FIFA is just a tool in the hands of politicians and nothing more.

I won't argue that you don't have a point, but let's assume the FIFA made a mistake for NOT excluding USA for the Iraq invasion. Does your logic lead you to the conclusion that they should either correct that mistake for the future and exclude invaders, or are you deriving the conclusion that since the FIFA made a mistake with USA and Iraq, they should keep doing the same mistake throughout the future forever with any other country that invades acknowledged foreign territory? I think the FIFA should rather correct their mistake and exclude any nation for actions as we see them now from Russia.

PS: I'd like to know whether you think that Russia vs. Ukraine is 1:1 comparable to USA vs. Iraq. At least Russia didn't have a 9/11.
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FIFA does not like government interfering in sports, and that is why FIFA does not think twice banning any country whose politicians try to mess up sporting activities. But why is FIFA now interfering in governance and politics of countries? Russia deserves all the sanctions it has received and nobody disagrees with that. What people are not happy with is why FIFA choose to speak out in this case while it overlooked other cases of countries attacking other weak ones around them. We know Europe and FIFA are trying to put fear in Putin by sanctioning Russia to see if he slows down by the sanctions.
Such strict sanctions that are imposed every new day, they are connected with the fact that all this happening in Europe and affects the interests of Europe. If all this had happened in Africa, in the Middle East, it would have been all the same and the teams would have played and no one would have been banned. Did someone ban Saudi Arabia for the war in Yemen, the United States for the war in Iraq? Europe has finally decided to play seriously, without jokes, so the punishments fall on everyone indiscriminately. It doesn't matter if you're guilty or not.
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FIFA does not like government interfering in sports, and that is why FIFA does not think twice banning any country whose politicians try to mess up sporting activities. But why is FIFA now interfering in governance and politics of countries? Russia deserves all the sanctions it has received and nobody disagrees with that. What people are not happy with is why FIFA choose to speak out in this case while it overlooked other cases of countries attacking other weak ones around them. We know Europe and FIFA are trying to put fear in Putin by sanctioning Russia to see if he slows down by the sanctions.

The situation in Russia and Ukraine is more complicated compared to others that can be mentioned and in this case Russia got more than far above half of countries of the world against them which got them many sanction. This is a life matter that the world feels Russia is arrogantly usurping power against Ukraine. And which countries make up FIFA mostly ?
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FIFA does not like government interfering in sports, and that is why FIFA does not think twice banning any country whose politicians try to mess up sporting activities. But why is FIFA now interfering in governance and politics of countries? Russia deserves all the sanctions it has received and nobody disagrees with that. What people are not happy with is why FIFA choose to speak out in this case while it overlooked other cases of countries attacking other weak ones around them. We know Europe and FIFA are trying to put fear in Putin by sanctioning Russia to see if he slows down by the sanctions.
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it is not very clear why "Naturally"?
Spartak is a private club sponsored by a private team whose shares were sold on foreign exchanges. What did Spartak have to do with the events in Ukraine? The situation with the national team is "clear", it is a national team that is sponsored by the state, but why suspend a club sponsored by a private team. In addition, Spartak does not often enter the playoffs of the Europa League, in order to also suspend him along with everyone else.

Well I'm just explaining what I think is the possible situation to that. I'm not a party to what is happening but analysis on the effect of the sanctions on Russia is what the fact is. The sanction is targetted on the Russian empire if I can cover it that way. So it doesn't look into who owns the club but under which country that the club is operating. Spartak is in Russia, under the Russia league so I think that may be a reason.

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the continuation of the last 16 of the Europa League has just finished the first leg, but an interesting event occurred in the RB leipzig match which was supposed to be against Spartak Moscow but the match could not take place because Russia and Spartak Moscow were fined by UEFA so they could not participate in the Europe League event, then it is certain that RB leipzig advances automatically to the next round of course this raises pros and cons considering UEFA took the decision to disqualify Spartak Moscow and Russia in various football events under the auspices of UEFA and FIFA
I personally never agree if UEFA/FIFA impose sanctions on clubs from Russia, because so far the club has no interest at all with political issues, in fact with the sanctions UEFA have made blunders against what they have been campaigning so far "If sports cannot be mixed up with politics", besides if UEFA/FIFA has clearly shown us that they have rules that are double standards against countries that have previously attacked or invaded in the middle east so far.
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the continuation of the last 16 of the Europa League has just finished the first leg, but an interesting event occurred in the RB leipzig match which was supposed to be against Spartak Moscow but the match could not take place because Russia and Spartak Moscow were fined by UEFA so they could not participate in the Europe League event, then it is certain that RB leipzig advances automatically to the next round of course this raises pros and cons considering UEFA took the decision to disqualify Spartak Moscow and Russia in various football events under the auspices of UEFA and FIFA

I think passing over to the next stage by the German club, Leipzig is the natural thing to happen because the Russia has been banned for invasion of Ukraine and so all her clubs will also get affected. It is a form of walk over for the club against the opponents until all the Russian clubs will go out from the competitions they are involved in. This is unfortunate and it is affecting club owners also like Abrahimovic.
it is not very clear why "Naturally"?
Spartak is a private club sponsored by a private team whose shares were sold on foreign exchanges. What did Spartak have to do with the events in Ukraine? The situation with the national team is "clear", it is a national team that is sponsored by the state, but why suspend a club sponsored by a private team. In addition, Spartak does not often enter the playoffs of the Europa League, in order to also suspend him along with everyone else.
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the continuation of the last 16 of the Europa League has just finished the first leg, but an interesting event occurred in the RB leipzig match which was supposed to be against Spartak Moscow but the match could not take place because Russia and Spartak Moscow were fined by UEFA so they could not participate in the Europe League event, then it is certain that RB leipzig advances automatically to the next round of course this raises pros and cons considering UEFA took the decision to disqualify Spartak Moscow and Russia in various football events under the auspices of UEFA and FIFA

I think passing over to the next stage by the German club, Leipzig is the natural thing to happen because the Russia has been banned for invasion of Ukraine and so all her clubs will also get affected. It is a form of walk over for the club against the opponents until all the Russian clubs will go out from the competitions they are involved in. This is unfortunate and it is affecting club owners also like Abrahimovic.
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All measures taken have a major impact, but Putin does not want to budge. Apparently it doesn't matter much to him that everyone with Russian nationality is now being duped. Because it is now a sanction against Russian people, not against Russia. It should already be clear that Putin doesn't care much about what measures are taken, he will continue to the end. On the other hand, a diplomatic solution seemed impossible, it is a difficult story. You should actually sit somewhere in the middle, banning everything and everyone seems to me more fighting evil with evil and not the solution.

All the sanctions are aimed mainly at Putin's environment. I also believe that Putin is no longer accessible to the suffering of the population and the country in general, but the oligarchs on whom Putin is also dependent. He can overthrow one or two oligarchs and put them in a penal camp in Siberia with mock trials, but he can't do that to all of them. And it is precisely these oligarchs who are very much involved in sports. If you hit them hard, sooner or later you hit Putin, and I think that's the main plan behind these (sports) sanctions.

A perverse plan to be honest. I think few people know people like Roman Abramovich or Alisher Usmanov, they owned partially or completely such unknown clubs as Chelsea, Arsenal, Monaco. This is not counting a couple more English clubs, a league below.
Of course before no one in England or in the europe knew where they got the money from, how they got it, who gave it to them. They just came up and took all money, all billions from oil.
And then suddenly everyone "saw the light" at once. Before that, it was probably not visible all this. It is not visible how the oligarchs bought superyachts in Europe and huge mansions on the coast of Nice. But of course ordinary fans should suffer, whose football was an outlet, but now they have been deprived of it. Oligarchs now travel quietly in Europe. I didn't hear that any of them were badly hurt.  When everything settles down, Chelsea and other teams will buy again.

The reasoning of the UEFA and FIFA is different than you think and I must say when I read their statement it made sense to me:

They are saying that Ukraine's can't participate in sports activities right now because they have no administration and no practicing anymore because of the Russian war. None of the Ukraine sportsmen and women is to blame for the war, but they are the one's who can't participate in any competition. It would then be wrong to allow Russians to participate while their country invades another country: It is not against Russians, it is for justice between the Russians and the Ukrainians. There is some more background to that and I get their point. Also keep in mind that Russia is still be dealing with sanctions because of doping and so on. I think it is time to really take a stand against Russian practices in general. Russian sportsmen and women in the future should refuse to participate in illegal practices. I know probably everyone does, but Russia took it way beyond any acceptable limit (if there is something like an acceptable limit at all....)
Well, for example, should the United States of America be excluded from competitions for Iraq and Afghanistan, for example? The national teams of those countries could not participate competitively either because their country was razed to the ground. Although most of the athletes are from those countries were not terrorists and did not support any terrorist organizations. Or the ban can only apply to certain countries and, for example, the United States, it should not apply for some reason?
Therefore, FIFA must be completely consistent and exclude all countries that organize wars. Otherwise, it becomes clear that FIFA is just a tool in the hands of politicians and nothing more.
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All measures taken have a major impact, but Putin does not want to budge. Apparently it doesn't matter much to him that everyone with Russian nationality is now being duped. Because it is now a sanction against Russian people, not against Russia. It should already be clear that Putin doesn't care much about what measures are taken, he will continue to the end. On the other hand, a diplomatic solution seemed impossible, it is a difficult story. You should actually sit somewhere in the middle, banning everything and everyone seems to me more fighting evil with evil and not the solution.

All the sanctions are aimed mainly at Putin's environment. I also believe that Putin is no longer accessible to the suffering of the population and the country in general, but the oligarchs on whom Putin is also dependent. He can overthrow one or two oligarchs and put them in a penal camp in Siberia with mock trials, but he can't do that to all of them. And it is precisely these oligarchs who are very much involved in sports. If you hit them hard, sooner or later you hit Putin, and I think that's the main plan behind these (sports) sanctions.

A perverse plan to be honest. I think few people know people like Roman Abramovich or Alisher Usmanov, they owned partially or completely such unknown clubs as Chelsea, Arsenal, Monaco. This is not counting a couple more English clubs, a league below.
Of course before no one in England or in the europe knew where they got the money from, how they got it, who gave it to them. They just came up and took all money, all billions from oil.
And then suddenly everyone "saw the light" at once. Before that, it was probably not visible all this. It is not visible how the oligarchs bought superyachts in Europe and huge mansions on the coast of Nice. But of course ordinary fans should suffer, whose football was an outlet, but now they have been deprived of it. Oligarchs now travel quietly in Europe. I didn't hear that any of them were badly hurt.  When everything settles down, Chelsea and other teams will buy again.

The reasoning of the UEFA and FIFA is different than you think and I must say when I read their statement it made sense to me:

They are saying that Ukraine's can't participate in sports activities right now because they have no administration and no practicing anymore because of the Russian war. None of the Ukraine sportsmen and women is to blame for the war, but they are the one's who can't participate in any competition. It would then be wrong to allow Russians to participate while their country invades another country: It is not against Russians, it is for justice between the Russians and the Ukrainians. There is some more background to that and I get their point. Also keep in mind that Russia is still be dealing with sanctions because of doping and so on. I think it is time to really take a stand against Russian practices in general. Russian sportsmen and women in the future should refuse to participate in illegal practices. I know probably everyone does, but Russia took it way beyond any acceptable limit (if there is something like an acceptable limit at all....)
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the continuation of the last 16 of the Europa League has just finished the first leg, but an interesting event occurred in the RB leipzig match which was supposed to be against Spartak Moscow but the match could not take place because Russia and Spartak Moscow were fined by UEFA so they could not participate in the Europe League event, then it is certain that RB leipzig advances automatically to the next round of course this raises pros and cons considering UEFA took the decision to disqualify Spartak Moscow and Russia in various football events under the auspices of UEFA and FIFA
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Yesterday was the Europa League matches for passing to 1/4, but unfortunately the match Leipzig - Spartak Moscow was cancelled due to the disqualification of Spartak due to the total ban of everything Russian. I can no longer remember the last time Spartak got past the group stages. But it turns out that it didn't work out this time either.
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The country that started this war is Russia. Of course, there would be sanctions in some way, but I don't think football teams played a role in this. I think they could have continued the tournament. However, if there were teams with statements that could defend the war, they could have been eliminated. I have a lot of Russian friends who do not approve of Putin's war decision.
That is the disadvantage of war it favours no one and it affects everything within the country in one way or the other, reason why  Russia case is very critical is because many countries are not in support of them that is why they are been given sanctions that will not only affect the president but good citizens of Russia.
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