FIFA and UEFA has suspended Russian Football teams. - page 10.

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Quote from: Mahanton on March 07, 2022, 06:58:47 PM

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Yeah, it's sad that they're in lining it with their political stand but it's all about war and that's too much already. There's no problem if it's just a normal politics that's happening inside Russia.
But, it has included and destroyed a lot of facilities, buildings and lives inside Ukraine and that's why they're making this stand. Although in generalizing Russians, not all of them are agreeing with this war.

Being russian doesnt mean that you would always agree on what your government had been doing specially into this war on which lots had been disagreeing for this stuff and now that they are facing
lots of sanctions then it is really affecting their lives at the moment and just speaking for wasted human lives then this is something not everybody would really agree upon.
Almost all of industries would really be giving out the same decisions on this current condition.

It's the same for other race. The government and its leader doing its thing while many of its constituents are disagreeing with what they're seeing.
We're all for peace and we can't do anything that much with it because we're just citizens that are following orders of the government and we can feel the Russian peace keeping people. Whether it's for the sports, football and any other sporting events, they all want peace but they're divided because of what the government is being done to Ukraine and its people.

There's no exemption actually yet these decisions could really be also done on particular the same scenario or situation no matter what country is involved with.They would really be still having on the
same input and decision to be made on time like this which its true that there's nothing we can do but to abide with those laws or rules been set out or else you do know on what would happen.
If they do make out such decision then it would be final and it would really be just changed up if everything goes fine again.

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All measures taken have a major impact, but Putin does not want to budge. Apparently it doesn't matter much to him that everyone with Russian nationality is now being duped. Because it is now a sanction against Russian people, not against Russia. It should already be clear that Putin doesn't care much about what measures are taken, he will continue to the end. On the other hand, a diplomatic solution seemed impossible, it is a difficult story. You should actually sit somewhere in the middle, banning everything and everyone seems to me more fighting evil with evil and not the solution.

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Quote from: mia_houston on March 08, 2022, 06:42:02 AM

Quote from: crzy on March 07, 2022, 04:37:24 PM

The economy of Russia will soon collapse because of this sanctions though its sad because sports are being dragged into this kind of politics, I feel sorry to those athletes who spend their life for the sports. Well the only one to blame here are the Russian government and ordinary people have to deal with this. Russia is not giving up, they still threatening other countries and looks like he is willing to go all out on this war.

The sanctions that western countries continue to impose on Russia have not stopped the Russian government from carrying out their attacks on Ukraine, in my opinion, what the world sports organizations are implementing against Russia will also not have much effect on their political decisions, indeed in this case many athletes are disadvantaged and should world organizations sport should be able to take decisions that are neutral and not detrimental to the athletes, maybe in my opinion instead of banning Russian athletes from competing, wouldn't it be better to impose sanctions banning Russia from hosting every world sporting event held in the future, applying total sanctions to this athlete who has no connection at all to politics is clearly destroying the basic principles that have had the sport so far.

The sanctions over Russia have greatly impacted them, but the ego has made them continue the war. A very small population is supporting the war whereas the majority of the Russians are against war. For now instead of banning Russian players from every games it is good to ban Russia from hosting different sports events.

Sports is part of peace making organization, so restricting players from Russia might have positive as well as negative impacts. On the positive note, Russia can think of peace. On the negative note, Russian players miss World level sporting opportunities.

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Quote from: Polkeins on March 08, 2022, 07:57:53 AM

Quote from: dwminer1 on March 08, 2022, 07:42:27 AM

"Following the escalation of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which has led to an ongoing and distressing humanitarian crisis, the Bureau of the FIFA Council has decided – in coordination with UEFA and after consultation with various stakeholders – to temporarily amend the Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players (RSTP) in order to provide legal certainty and clarity on a number of matters." More info here: https://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/organisation/fifa-council/media-releases/fifa-adopts-temporary-employment-and-registration-rules-to-address-several

I believe that many foreign players from the Russian league will take advantage of the opportunity to change their employer.

Well, apparently they will simply have no other choice, unless they are paid in dollars, as before. To be honest, the legionnaires who play in the Russian Premier League are not the best. Few of the top players were ready to go to Russia before, now probably no one will go at all. Russian clubs have not shone in cup competitions anyway, and now it is not clear what will happen.
The only plus is that children's schools will be developed so that local pupils will perform.

Of course, with this, foreign players think again about being there because indeed their future will indirectly be threatened if they decide to stay.
maybe this will be filled again by local players and this will make it more difficult for them to compete in any case. not mean to belittle but with the gathering of local players it will be very difficult to adapt football from other countries which makes this very difficult

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Quote from: dwminer1 on March 08, 2022, 07:42:27 AM

"Following the escalation of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which has led to an ongoing and distressing humanitarian crisis, the Bureau of the FIFA Council has decided – in coordination with UEFA and after consultation with various stakeholders – to temporarily amend the Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players (RSTP) in order to provide legal certainty and clarity on a number of matters." More info here: https://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/organisation/fifa-council/media-releases/fifa-adopts-temporary-employment-and-registration-rules-to-address-several

I believe that many foreign players from the Russian league will take advantage of the opportunity to change their employer.

Well, apparently they will simply have no other choice, unless they are paid in dollars, as before. To be honest, the legionnaires who play in the Russian Premier League are not the best. Few of the top players were ready to go to Russia before, now probably no one will go at all. Russian clubs have not shone in cup competitions anyway, and now it is not clear what will happen.
The only plus is that children's schools will be developed so that local pupils will perform.

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"Following the escalation of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which has led to an ongoing and distressing humanitarian crisis, the Bureau of the FIFA Council has decided – in coordination with UEFA and after consultation with various stakeholders – to temporarily amend the Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players (RSTP) in order to provide legal certainty and clarity on a number of matters." More info here: https://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/organisation/fifa-council/media-releases/fifa-adopts-temporary-employment-and-registration-rules-to-address-several

I believe that many foreign players from the Russian league will take advantage of the opportunity to change their employer.

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Quote from: crzy on March 07, 2022, 04:37:24 PM

The economy of Russia will soon collapse because of this sanctions though its sad because sports are being dragged into this kind of politics, I feel sorry to those athletes who spend their life for the sports. Well the only one to blame here are the Russian government and ordinary people have to deal with this. Russia is not giving up, they still threatening other countries and looks like he is willing to go all out on this war.

The sanctions that western countries continue to impose on Russia have not stopped the Russian government from carrying out their attacks on Ukraine, in my opinion, what the world sports organizations are implementing against Russia will also not have much effect on their political decisions, indeed in this case many athletes are disadvantaged and should world organizations sport should be able to take decisions that are neutral and not detrimental to the athletes, maybe in my opinion instead of banning Russian athletes from competing, wouldn't it be better to impose sanctions banning Russia from hosting every world sporting event held in the future, applying total sanctions to this athlete who has no connection at all to politics is clearly destroying the basic principles that have had the sport so far.

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Quote from: STT on March 08, 2022, 02:29:18 AM

Quote from: Silberman on March 02, 2022, 04:30:17 PM

Russia had advanced to the second round of qualifiers and they were supposed to play against Poland on March 24,

It wouldn't be sensible to have Russia play vs Poland with current events occurring. Will they exclude all fans from the match and all possibility of violence off the pitch, its too much of an obvious fight that will occur between people drinking with high tensions ongoing. Its obviously a failure but its better to exclude Russia until they have stopped their invasion, destruction and killing of random people in a sovereign nation, in this case its a neighbor of the nation they will play and they have bombed just a few miles away from Poland.
Sometimes news and events will preclude the possibility of sport, nothing to celebrate about it but it couldnt be any other way imo

That made sense, other than considering it as a sole sanction.
This should also be something to consider, because this will cause an unexpected chaos that'll broaden the tension between 2 countries.
This war has affected so many lives particularly for the both Russia and Ukraine.

Russian bettors also gets affected as their favourite team won't be able to continue playing. So that means they'll need to opt to a different team, which might be less comfortable to put a bet for them.

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Quote from: crzy on March 07, 2022, 04:37:24 PM

The economy of Russia will soon collapse because of this sanctions though its sad because sports are being dragged into this kind of politics, I feel sorry to those athletes who spend their life for the sports. Well the only one to blame here are the Russian government and ordinary people have to deal with this. Russia is not giving up, they still threatening other countries and looks like he is willing to go all out on this war.

Sport is part of the system and also of propaganda, so it is quite understandable when these measures are taken. The very fact that China should have asked Russia to carry out the attack after the Winter Olympics shows how important sport is for the image of a country.

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Quote from: Mahanton on March 07, 2022, 06:58:47 PM

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Yeah, it's sad that they're in lining it with their political stand but it's all about war and that's too much already. There's no problem if it's just a normal politics that's happening inside Russia.
But, it has included and destroyed a lot of facilities, buildings and lives inside Ukraine and that's why they're making this stand. Although in generalizing Russians, not all of them are agreeing with this war.

Being russian doesnt mean that you would always agree on what your government had been doing specially into this war on which lots had been disagreeing for this stuff and now that they are facing
lots of sanctions then it is really affecting their lives at the moment and just speaking for wasted human lives then this is something not everybody would really agree upon.
Almost all of industries would really be giving out the same decisions on this current condition.

It's the same for other race. The government and its leader doing its thing while many of its constituents are disagreeing with what they're seeing.
We're all for peace and we can't do anything that much with it because we're just citizens that are following orders of the government and we can feel the Russian peace keeping people. Whether it's for the sports, football and any other sporting events, they all want peace but they're divided because of what the government is being done to Ukraine and its people.

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Quote from: Silberman on March 02, 2022, 04:30:17 PM

Russia had advanced to the second round of qualifiers and they were supposed to play against Poland on March 24,

It wouldn't be sensible to have Russia play vs Poland with current events occurring. Will they exclude all fans from the match and all possibility of violence off the pitch, its too much of an obvious fight that will occur between people drinking with high tensions ongoing. Its obviously a failure but its better to exclude Russia until they have stopped their invasion, destruction and killing of random people in a sovereign nation, in this case its a neighbor of the nation they will play and they have bombed just a few miles away from Poland.
Sometimes news and events will preclude the possibility of sport, nothing to celebrate about it but it couldnt be any other way imo

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 07, 2022, 04:31:36 PM

Quote from: romero121 on March 07, 2022, 09:32:43 AM

The reason behind every country have got different reasons. The ongoing war decision by Russia over Ukraine seems to be an unwanted war. Even after contempt from several countries and organisations around the globe Russia stood on its decision. Sports is part of the government and that's why sporting organization have restricted Russia. Maybe this will have its contribution in stopping the war.

All of those sanctions including the ones related to sports didn't contributed to stop Russia but they've contributed much to make their economy down.
But as they stand on what they're fighting for, they look like they're not going to stop anytime from now because they're firm with what they believe. I mean their leader is firm from what he thinks is right, Putin think he's right of what he's fighting for. Let's say that he is but he's ignoring the fact that many innocent people are also affected by his actions.

After many time suspended Russian Football team exactly can't make Russia stop war invasion to Ukraine and exactly Putin have ask t FIFA and UEFA never mixing between war or politic with football. Not any way for claiming true with war invasion but I disagree with FIFA and UEFA have been suspended Russian Football teams because they not talk and promoting war invasion to Ukraine, disappointed for Russian national country because one step closer for passing to world cup on Qatar and now play on play off round against with Poland, but this match looks canceled after FIFA suspended Russian Football teams.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 07, 2022, 05:35:46 PM

Quote from: crzy on March 07, 2022, 04:37:24 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 07, 2022, 04:31:36 PM

Quote from: romero121 on March 07, 2022, 09:32:43 AM

The reason behind every country have got different reasons. The ongoing war decision by Russia over Ukraine seems to be an unwanted war. Even after contempt from several countries and organisations around the globe Russia stood on its decision. Sports is part of the government and that's why sporting organization have restricted Russia. Maybe this will have its contribution in stopping the war.

All of those sanctions including the ones related to sports didn't contributed to stop Russia but they've contributed much to make their economy down.
But as they stand on what they're fighting for, they look like they're not going to stop anytime from now because they're firm with what they believe. I mean their leader is firm from what he thinks is right, Putin think he's right of what he's fighting for. Let's say that he is but he's ignoring the fact that many innocent people are also affected by his actions.

The economy of Russia will soon collapse because of this sanctions though its sad because sports are being dragged into this kind of politics, I feel sorry to those athletes who spend their life for the sports. Well the only one to blame here are the Russian government and ordinary people have to deal with this. Russia is not giving up, they still threatening other countries and looks like he is willing to go all out on this war.

Yeah, it's sad that they're in lining it with their political stand but it's all about war and that's too much already. There's no problem if it's just a normal politics that's happening inside Russia.
But, it has included and destroyed a lot of facilities, buildings and lives inside Ukraine and that's why they're making this stand. Although in generalizing Russians, not all of them are agreeing with this war.

Being russian doesnt mean that you would always agree on what your government had been doing specially into this war on which lots had been disagreeing for this stuff and now that they are facing
lots of sanctions then it is really affecting their lives at the moment and just speaking for wasted human lives then this is something not everybody would really agree upon.
Almost all of industries would really be giving out the same decisions on this current condition.

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Quote from: crzy on March 07, 2022, 04:37:24 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 07, 2022, 04:31:36 PM

Quote from: romero121 on March 07, 2022, 09:32:43 AM

The reason behind every country have got different reasons. The ongoing war decision by Russia over Ukraine seems to be an unwanted war. Even after contempt from several countries and organisations around the globe Russia stood on its decision. Sports is part of the government and that's why sporting organization have restricted Russia. Maybe this will have its contribution in stopping the war.

All of those sanctions including the ones related to sports didn't contributed to stop Russia but they've contributed much to make their economy down.
But as they stand on what they're fighting for, they look like they're not going to stop anytime from now because they're firm with what they believe. I mean their leader is firm from what he thinks is right, Putin think he's right of what he's fighting for. Let's say that he is but he's ignoring the fact that many innocent people are also affected by his actions.

The economy of Russia will soon collapse because of this sanctions though its sad because sports are being dragged into this kind of politics, I feel sorry to those athletes who spend their life for the sports. Well the only one to blame here are the Russian government and ordinary people have to deal with this. Russia is not giving up, they still threatening other countries and looks like he is willing to go all out on this war.

Yeah, it's sad that they're in lining it with their political stand but it's all about war and that's too much already. There's no problem if it's just a normal politics that's happening inside Russia.
But, it has included and destroyed a lot of facilities, buildings and lives inside Ukraine and that's why they're making this stand. Although in generalizing Russians, not all of them are agreeing with this war.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 07, 2022, 04:31:36 PM

Quote from: romero121 on March 07, 2022, 09:32:43 AM

The reason behind every country have got different reasons. The ongoing war decision by Russia over Ukraine seems to be an unwanted war. Even after contempt from several countries and organisations around the globe Russia stood on its decision. Sports is part of the government and that's why sporting organization have restricted Russia. Maybe this will have its contribution in stopping the war.

All of those sanctions including the ones related to sports didn't contributed to stop Russia but they've contributed much to make their economy down.
But as they stand on what they're fighting for, they look like they're not going to stop anytime from now because they're firm with what they believe. I mean their leader is firm from what he thinks is right, Putin think he's right of what he's fighting for. Let's say that he is but he's ignoring the fact that many innocent people are also affected by his actions.

The economy of Russia will soon collapse because of this sanctions though its sad because sports are being dragged into this kind of politics, I feel sorry to those athletes who spend their life for the sports. Well the only one to blame here are the Russian government and ordinary people have to deal with this. Russia is not giving up, they still threatening other countries and looks like he is willing to go all out on this war.

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Quote from: romero121 on March 07, 2022, 09:32:43 AM

The reason behind every country have got different reasons. The ongoing war decision by Russia over Ukraine seems to be an unwanted war. Even after contempt from several countries and organisations around the globe Russia stood on its decision. Sports is part of the government and that's why sporting organization have restricted Russia. Maybe this will have its contribution in stopping the war.

All of those sanctions including the ones related to sports didn't contributed to stop Russia but they've contributed much to make their economy down.
But as they stand on what they're fighting for, they look like they're not going to stop anytime from now because they're firm with what they believe. I mean their leader is firm from what he thinks is right, Putin think he's right of what he's fighting for. Let's say that he is but he's ignoring the fact that many innocent people are also affected by his actions.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on March 01, 2022, 01:41:57 PM

It was in the news yesterday that FIFA and UEFA has together suspended Russian Football teams and clubs indefinitely.
It was said that all the teams that were supposed to play against Russia in their forth coming friendlies and world cup qualifiers vowed to boycott the match, so at the end, FIFA and UEFA had no choice but the suspend Russia from all international matches.

Russia in response to the suspension has come out to say that the suspension is discriminatory.

What do you guys think of this development? How will this affect the players and athletes as well as workers in/for the team, how about the forth coming world cup?

It seems like a fair reprisal for the Russian invasion. The footballers had huge wages before this crisis so if they were sensible with their money you shouldn't need to feel sorry for them - they earn many times what the average person might get paid in their whole lifetime. It's the supporting staff who you should feel bad for, as they will probably get fired pretty soon as budgets dry up and there is no funds to pay for extras. It's only the very biggest clubs that will likely be able to survive at a professional level and the whole Russian economy will be going through turmoil right now. Football is not the only thing affected, we see similar bans on Judo, Ice Skating, Olympics, Formula 1 and the list seems to be growing every day.

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Quote from: fzkto on March 06, 2022, 03:10:44 PM

This is the wildest thing I have ever seen. Even during the First World War, the warring sides played a football match, stopping the confrontation for one day. I can understand sanctions relating to the aggressor country's economy, I can understand disconnection from SWIFT, but denying the ability to participate in sporting events is beyond comprehension. Yes, Spartak Moscow is a Russian club, but more than half of its squad is made up of foreigners. This is nonsense.

In general, it was correctly noticed here that neither Saudi Arabia, nor Iraq, nor Iran, nor Yemen were subjected to such sanctions. But here is other case.

The reason behind every country have got different reasons. The ongoing war decision by Russia over Ukraine seems to be an unwanted war. Even after contempt from several countries and organisations around the globe Russia stood on its decision. Sports is part of the government and that's why sporting organization have restricted Russia. Maybe this will have its contribution in stopping the war.

Well, I think the main reason is the fact that everything is happening in Europe, and not in the Middle East or Africa. All this is painfully perceived by the elite of Europe, which in general manages almost all sports associations. The ban on the participation of Russian teams will not bring any contribution, because those who made decisions do not play football. They really don't care about any sports games.
By and large, they don't care. This is pure politics, when they try to influence the elite in Russia through ordinary people, but it is unlikely that it will work.

Either its politics or sports. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong. super power has been killing the weak countries for their sport. Have you ever read the line As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods; They kill us for their sport. Just those line comes to my mind when I hear how the big countires are killing the innocent for their sport. Thinking they have authority to do anything.

You had a valid points.Now Russian Putin acting like a Old Hitler.The comparison may be more hard.But the super power Russia crushing the Small country Ukraine. Which was not a logic one.All other country involved in this and make the Russia to end the war with treaty.But I don't think, Russia targeting Ukraine for Sports. If you said so, now Russia only banned from all the sports and Club. Where the Ukraine was banned from such sports.

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Quote from: fzkto on March 06, 2022, 03:10:44 PM

This is the wildest thing I have ever seen. Even during the First World War, the warring sides played a football match, stopping the confrontation for one day. I can understand sanctions relating to the aggressor country's economy, I can understand disconnection from SWIFT, but denying the ability to participate in sporting events is beyond comprehension. Yes, Spartak Moscow is a Russian club, but more than half of its squad is made up of foreigners. This is nonsense.

In general, it was correctly noticed here that neither Saudi Arabia, nor Iraq, nor Iran, nor Yemen were subjected to such sanctions. But here is other case.

The reason behind every country have got different reasons. The ongoing war decision by Russia over Ukraine seems to be an unwanted war. Even after contempt from several countries and organisations around the globe Russia stood on its decision. Sports is part of the government and that's why sporting organization have restricted Russia. Maybe this will have its contribution in stopping the war.

Well, I think the main reason is the fact that everything is happening in Europe, and not in the Middle East or Africa. All this is painfully perceived by the elite of Europe, which in general manages almost all sports associations. The ban on the participation of Russian teams will not bring any contribution, because those who made decisions do not play football. They really don't care about any sports games.
By and large, they don't care. This is pure politics, when they try to influence the elite in Russia through ordinary people, but it is unlikely that it will work.

Either its politics or sports. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong. super power has been killing the weak countries for their sport. Have you ever read the line As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods; They kill us for their sport. Just those line comes to my mind when I hear how the big countires are killing the innocent for their sport. Thinking they have authority to do anything.

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Quote from: romero121 on March 07, 2022, 09:32:43 AM

Quote from: Polkeins on March 07, 2022, 04:05:05 AM

Quote from: fzkto on March 06, 2022, 03:10:44 PM

This is the wildest thing I have ever seen. Even during the First World War, the warring sides played a football match, stopping the confrontation for one day. I can understand sanctions relating to the aggressor country's economy, I can understand disconnection from SWIFT, but denying the ability to participate in sporting events is beyond comprehension. Yes, Spartak Moscow is a Russian club, but more than half of its squad is made up of foreigners. This is nonsense.

In general, it was correctly noticed here that neither Saudi Arabia, nor Iraq, nor Iran, nor Yemen were subjected to such sanctions. But here is other case.

The reason behind every country have got different reasons. The ongoing war decision by Russia over Ukraine seems to be an unwanted war. Even after contempt from several countries and organisations around the globe Russia stood on its decision. Sports is part of the government and that's why sporting organization have restricted Russia. Maybe this will have its contribution in stopping the war.

Well, I think the main reason is the fact that everything is happening in Europe, and not in the Middle East or Africa. All this is painfully perceived by the elite of Europe, which in general manages almost all sports associations. The ban on the participation of Russian teams will not bring any contribution, because those who made decisions do not play football. They really don't care about any sports games.
By and large, they don't care. This is pure politics, when they try to influence the elite in Russia through ordinary people, but it is unlikely that it will work.

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