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Quote from: noorman0 on March 03, 2022, 10:05:31 AM

FIFA and UEFA tend to be easily influenced by political power.

Sport should be above politics and war, which is unfortunately not the case! Once again we have a case where politics poisons everyone around it and draws a lot of innocent people into its political games that led to the war!

At the moment (and it has happened before) sport is used as a war tactic, and I think that is not smart and that nothing positive will come out of it! We are talking about further spreading hatred and injuring innocent people who are not involved in any way in this, except that they may have had the good fortune/misfortune to be born where they were born! I felt all that on my skin, it can be said that I still feel the consequences!

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It is very unfortunate indeed when sports are mixed by political leaders for their personal interests.
I think FIFA should be observant in looking at this problem and I think there should be many countries that help Russia to continue to be able to contribute to the biggest football event in the world this year.
this is exactly the same as what America did to eastern countries and Israel to Palestine but why only Russia is being sanctioned, this is really unfair.

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Seeing a number of articles too on lesser known media about the athletes themselves speaking out, or staying silent.

Eveny favourite Livescores apps have stopped broadcasting any results from Russia.

Have to say these are all the right decisions. And now is not the time to talk about anything else but I would hope to see the same support and condemnation for any clear violation of peace and rights.

This shows that people can unite. As we should.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on March 01, 2022, 01:41:57 PM

Isn't it expected ? as I believe that even before the case happens Russian Government expected this

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Russia in response to the suspension has come out to say that the suspension is discriminatory.

They have no rights to call this as discrimination as their action towards Ukraine is unacceptable .

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What do you guys think of this development? How will this affect the players and athletes as well as workers in/for the team, how about the forth coming world cup?

athletes are representing their country no matter what so their only choice is to either wait for the war to end? or go to other country and play for them instead of their own country presentation .

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Quote from: avikz on March 03, 2022, 11:31:18 PM

Western countries are eager to impose ban on Russia in whatsoever manner possible! This sports ban is just a part of it! There are obviously many countries who are not willing to play with Russia or keep any association with them at this moment. But do you think Russia deserves this?

If invading to Ukraine is the reason, US should have been banned from the world for invading Iraq and Afghanistan. Look at those countries now, they have completely collapsed due to the aggression from US which was initiated in the name of war against terrorism. Today's Russian attack on Ukraine is happening as NATO wanted to include Ukraine in their group despite not being eligible.

This is really unfair to Russia.
The decision not to include Russia in the World Cup is purely a political decision of America and its allies. even though we know that FIFA has always said that politics should not interfere in this football. Maybe this applies only to them, and in their favor because FIFA is under their control.

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Maybe that is the effect of what Putin has done that FIFA and UEFA decided to suspend Russian football teams and clubs indefinitely. There will come a time when those affected by the suspension will protest against the Russian government because they cannot work as usual. It may only be temporary until the situation subsides and if Russia can halt the offensive, the suspension may be lifted again. It depends on how the Russian leaders will act because this will indirectly affect the people.

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Finally, the Russian football federation or RFS appealed the sanctions that had been given by FIFA and UEFA against the Russian national team which was disqualified from the world cup play-off round and also Spartak Moscow who had to exit the last 16 of the UEFA Europe League early after being disqualified by UEFA. Strict steps were taken by the Russian football federation considering that there was no connection at all between the invasion and the war with Ukraine. FIFA and UEFA have criticized the political actions taken by some players and supporters when providing support for Palestine but currently UEFA and FIFA have quite different views with Russia invasion right now.

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It wasn't really unexpected, there's been a lot of sanctions recently in the Russian sports scene, I reckon its entirety would eventually get hit by sanctions like these. It is kinda sad though since their representation of their country is the one that's literally destroying their careers right now. I know it's a method to pressure Putin, but really, it's affecting everyone except him. It's attacking the wrong part of the wall really. I personally would allow teams to participate, but don't allow events to happen in their country.

Pretty sure at this point they're just doing the bans cause the issue was blown out of proportion, plus compared to the past, dissemination of info is way easier. I'm not saying that they didn't have a choice back then or that they ignored it, only they can answer that, but right now, they had to make a move since it's like they're being forced to do something as well. Just to show that they belong to that moral highground or something you know?

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I think the ban or suspension against Russian and even Belarusian athletes are not just imposed by the FIFA and EUFA leagues. There are other leagues that also issued their own ban. Even the Executive Board of the International Olympic Committee has recommended that International Sports Federations and other organizers of sports events and competitions around the world should ban Russian and Belarusian athletes and even officials.

https://olympics.com/ioc/news/ioc-eb-recommends-no-participation-of-russian-and-belarusian-athletes-and-officials

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Western countries are eager to impose ban on Russia in whatsoever manner possible! This sports ban is just a part of it! There are obviously many countries who are not willing to play with Russia or keep any association with them at this moment. But do you think Russia deserves this?

If invading to Ukraine is the reason, US should have been banned from the world for invading Iraq and Afghanistan. Look at those countries now, they have completely collapsed due to the aggression from US which was initiated in the name of war against terrorism. Today's Russian attack on Ukraine is happening as NATO wanted to include Ukraine in their group despite not being eligible.

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This is not what is in the power of the football bodies to do when other countries football teams have decided they won't play with Russia then the governing body has to make it official to prevent them from playing. Making it official is better so they can go home and settle issue. Russia is already facing lots of sanction and we can see it is affecting the people to live a good life and this is an example for other countries that will want to invade a smaller country.

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Why in goodness sake will anyone want war how can Putin bring down the entire country's economy and making citizens of another hardship that is currently being experienced in Ukraine, we all call for peace war is never welcome first was financial sanction and now FIFA and UEFA ban Russia from world football competition.

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They are even getting kicked out of FIFA games as well from EA. I know that the war is horrible and disgusting, and sanctions makes sense, like kicking them out of swift systems makes sense, that's at least sanctions. But all these "kick the Russian students out", or "hold the NFTs of Russians" or now this one, hell they are kicked out of "cat federation" which I have no clue what that is, like why is that even a thing?

In sports F1, not being racing in the Russian track this year made sense, like that is understandable, that is not something weird, you may not want to go there and that's fine. But to avoid putting their teams on games? Like that one is a bit too much reaction.

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Quote from: zidanw on March 03, 2022, 09:22:19 AM

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Quote from: masulum on March 03, 2022, 08:34:40 AM

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I get your point here, @mindrust. That is why I also agree with @masulum, that FIFA and any organization that would intend to do such suspension because of political conflicts, public safety and or any other matters, they must be consistent, fair and equivalent in making decisions for all. Because if not, it shows how personal biases are ignited and are emerging during these times.

That would be the ideal but we know that it is never going to happen, that will require that the ones at the top of FIFA were impartial and we know that is something that it is almost impossible for people to do.

This is why I think a regulation inside FIFA should be discussed, and if they want to set a precedent with this then any federation which belongs to a country currently invading another should be suspend automatically regardless of the reasons behind the invasion, this way a decision like this would not be seen as unilateral or taking sides and the federations will know that such a sanction is coming, but I also doubt that something like this could take place.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on March 01, 2022, 01:41:57 PM

It was in the news yesterday that FIFA and UEFA has together suspended Russian Football teams and clubs indefinitely.
It was said that all the teams that were supposed to play against Russia in their forth coming friendlies and world cup qualifiers vowed to boycott the match, so at the end, FIFA and UEFA had no choice but the suspend Russia from all international matches.

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Russia in response to the suspension has come out to say that the suspension is discriminatory.

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What do you guys think of this development? How will this affect the players and athletes as well as workers in/for the team, how about the forth coming world cup?

I think this is an attempt by fifa and uefa to help put pressure on putin to make peace with ukraine and i support that

Without pressure, Putin will take it lightly and won't listen to other people, including his citizens. May the Russian people tirelessly continue to press for Putin to stop attacking, because the sanctions for fifa and uefa will only stop if peace is agreed

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FIFA and UEFA have no choice but to take a heavy and hard decision after a growing number of countries say they will not compete against Russia. Some will criticize, while the rest will praise it. It is clear who supports and who does not. The situation might be unacceptable for the good of football, but that is how things are working. At least the European Football Association and FIFA are all in agreement about banning Russian football teams and all their affiliated clubs. It isn't a problem to be Russian; it is an action to minimize the temper of the European countries.

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Quote from: mindrust on March 03, 2022, 08:48:06 AM

Quote from: masulum on March 03, 2022, 08:34:40 AM

FIFA must be consistent with regulations like this, if they don't want to include the names of countries attacking other countries because of political problems until a war occurs like Russia, then in the future they must do the same thing. It would be unfair if this was only done for Russia, considering that football should not be associated with politics. If I'm not mistaken, in the past when Israel and Palestine had political problems, FIFA did not take serious action against Israeli football. (CMIIW). So, if this is the first step from FIFA, and the same thing should be done in the future.

I wonder... why didn't FIFA ban the US when they were invading Iraq? (for nothing btw) Nobody was complaining back then when the US soldiers were bombing Baghdad and hanging Saddam Hussein live on TV. Suddenly everybody lost their shit when Russia is doing the same thing. I am not saying Russia is right to invade Ukraine. However, the reaction they are getting from the west is simply showing how two-faced the west really is.

The US nuked Japan ffs. NUKED. Nobody cared.

I agree with you 100%. FIFA and UEFA didnt do anything back then. Now when Russia is attacking Ukraine they are getting blamed like this happened for the first time in the world. USA is in war every single year and no body says anything about them. Russian football players dreamt of going to the World Cup and now FIFA has taken that away from them. Its not their fault they are in war. This is why people dont like FIFA and UEFA these couple of years.

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Quote from: erep on March 03, 2022, 10:59:25 AM

Quote from: Luzin on March 03, 2022, 09:29:31 AM

That's what disappointed me with FIFA or UEFA. They're like having a double standard that doesn't make sense. It is one proof of how the power of a handful of figures influences the neutrality of a global institution, sadly. If it didn't, there shouldn't be such a rule now. As a football observer of course I am disappointed, they have violated their own rules to become an independent institution unaffected by the political, economic countries of the world. This proves discrimination still exists.

The partiality of imposing strict sanctions on the suspension of football only to Russia shows the non-neutrality of FIFA or UEFA, if for humanitarian reasons it is necessary to reconsider that other colonial countries deserve an equivalent suspension, the point of assessment is that the suspension of FIFA or UEFA is due to factors of the political elite and not independent.

But FIFA and UEFA are part of the world, they are part of Europe and can not do things in isolation of their own. Russia is receiving sanctions of the action on Ukraine, in sports it is not only the football bodies that have come against Russia, like I read the Taekwondo federation have taken the black belt away from Putin. Again for example if for example UEFA and FIFA didn't suspend Russia and they need to travel to airspace that have been banned for Russian flight ? You see they can't travel too to meet up with games because Europe and America banned Russian flights. Again just today 141 countries have voted against the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, 5 voted for supporting Russia and 35 countries are indifferent, so what is the margin difference for support and no support. We can see that FIFA and UEFA are not going to act against the host countries. Those 141 countries that against the invasion are also members of FIFA and UEFA, they carry the decision of their countries. This is the way I see the analysis of the current sanctions here and there against Russia.

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Quote from: Luzin on March 03, 2022, 09:29:31 AM

That's what disappointed me with FIFA or UEFA. They're like having a double standard that doesn't make sense. It is one proof of how the power of a handful of figures influences the neutrality of a global institution, sadly. If it didn't, there shouldn't be such a rule now. As a football observer of course I am disappointed, they have violated their own rules to become an independent institution unaffected by the political, economic countries of the world. This proves discrimination still exists.

The partiality of imposing strict sanctions on the suspension of football only to Russia shows the non-neutrality of FIFA or UEFA, if for humanitarian reasons it is necessary to reconsider that other colonial countries deserve an equivalent suspension, the point of assessment is that the suspension of FIFA or UEFA is due to factors of the political elite and not independent.

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FIFA and UEFA tend to be easily influenced by political power. This will happen at any time to a country that is against an influential country. And talking about the national team club which is (in my opinion) only a small scope, with some political pressure to create the decision of a match like this. Can't imagine the loss when sports bettors have to lose without seeing the match.

Quote from: KennyR on March 02, 2022, 05:36:18 PM

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By the time it seemed like an easy go for Russia to enter the final of B. Now the official announcement have made Poland get into the final.

Just hope the betting company will consider canceling the bet as this is not a valid win.

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