Many Russian citizens in other countries are already experiencing acts of harassment and bullying by some locals. It makes no difference to those who engage in it who the person is - a famous soccer player, a scientist or an oppositionist to the current government in Russia who has decided to run away from what is happening in the country. And this is very sad.
Topic: FIFA and UEFA has suspended Russian Football teams. - page 6. (Read 1751 times)
Many Russian citizens in other countries are already experiencing acts of harassment and bullying by some locals. It makes no difference to those who engage in it who the person is - a famous soccer player, a scientist or an oppositionist to the current government in Russia who has decided to run away from what is happening in the country. And this is very sad.
Well, in fairness, we must admit that there were some achievements, both at the level of national teams and clubs - CSKA and Zenit won the UEFA Cup. As for unprofitability, this is a continuation of the Russian state - when everything is state-owned (formally or in fact), then naturally unprofitability or profitability does not bother anyone. Football was a political project and I'm glad that it fell under the rink like other areas of Russian interest.
I always wondered why Gazprom and Rosneft are spending hundreds of millions of USD in sponsoring sports teams, when a lot of people in Russia don't have access to piped natural gas. During the peak period of 2009-2014, these companies were carelessly spending their revenue, instead of re-investing them in new projects. As a result, countries such as Qatar and Australia surged ahead with new LNG projects and Russia lost market share everywhere. And it is not just the government owned companies. Oligarchs like Roman Abramovich were also splurging their money carelessly while their compatriots were suffering back home in Russia.
I'm from Russia and I've always wondered about this too (actually not because I know that the Russian state considers its citizens to be slaves/resource). As for non-state companies, this is a misconception, we have all companies state-owned - but some are formal state-owned, and some are not.Both Russia team CSKA Moscow and Zenit always active participants on Champion League or Europe League but in this season after suspending by UEFA will give their slot to other country for qualifying on both UEFA competition between champion league or europe league, I think bad impact because Russia football team can't participant on UEFA competition next season if still suspended and war invasion keep continue until next football competition begin, I think still have chance for Russia football team for getting back their chance to UEFA competition if war stopping and FIFA will give back football access to Russia.
Various options are possible, including such as with Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia, as I wrote in another topic. No one knows what Russia will turn into after the war, but the fact that sports issues are nonsense against the backdrop of the war is a fact.
Well, in fairness, we must admit that there were some achievements, both at the level of national teams and clubs - CSKA and Zenit won the UEFA Cup. As for unprofitability, this is a continuation of the Russian state - when everything is state-owned (formally or in fact), then naturally unprofitability or profitability does not bother anyone. Football was a political project and I'm glad that it fell under the rink like other areas of Russian interest.
I always wondered why Gazprom and Rosneft are spending hundreds of millions of USD in sponsoring sports teams, when a lot of people in Russia don't have access to piped natural gas. During the peak period of 2009-2014, these companies were carelessly spending their revenue, instead of re-investing them in new projects. As a result, countries such as Qatar and Australia surged ahead with new LNG projects and Russia lost market share everywhere. And it is not just the government owned companies. Oligarchs like Roman Abramovich were also splurging their money carelessly while their compatriots were suffering back home in Russia.
If people who rules in Gazprom like football, then they did not spare money for foreign legionnaires, paying $ 65 million for the hulk and $ 35 for Witsel. The players themselves are good, there are no complaints about them. But when most of the houses in the country are without gas, it is very strange to see such purchases.
Well, in fairness, we must admit that there were some achievements, both at the level of national teams and clubs - CSKA and Zenit won the UEFA Cup. As for unprofitability, this is a continuation of the Russian state - when everything is state-owned (formally or in fact), then naturally unprofitability or profitability does not bother anyone. Football was a political project and I'm glad that it fell under the rink like other areas of Russian interest.
Well, in fairness, we must admit that there were some achievements, both at the level of national teams and clubs - CSKA and Zenit won the UEFA Cup. As for unprofitability, this is a continuation of the Russian state - when everything is state-owned (formally or in fact), then naturally unprofitability or profitability does not bother anyone. Football was a political project and I'm glad that it fell under the rink like other areas of Russian interest.
I always wondered why Gazprom and Rosneft are spending hundreds of millions of USD in sponsoring sports teams, when a lot of people in Russia don't have access to piped natural gas. During the peak period of 2009-2014, these companies were carelessly spending their revenue, instead of re-investing them in new projects. As a result, countries such as Qatar and Australia surged ahead with new LNG projects and Russia lost market share everywhere. And it is not just the government owned companies. Oligarchs like Roman Abramovich were also splurging their money carelessly while their compatriots were suffering back home in Russia.
Remember when people acted like this towards Arabs after 9/11? Or Japanese-Americans being put into internment camps in the USA in 1942 because of their ancestry? How many times are we going to act like Germany in 1940s everytime something bad happens in the world? What is it with this incessant need for having someone to blame?
This is obviously a politically motivated move to save themselves from bad PR. This has nothing to do with sanctioning Russia or stopping military funds from causing further damage in Ukraine. What do I think? I think its ridiculous. At what point are we going to start putting Russians in camps? Maybe lets start marking Russian-owned businesses in foreign countries with a painted sickel and hammer?
Are the Russian football players killing people, supporting the invasion or funneling funds towards the military? No. I am no friend of Putin's but we need to call out discrimination when we see it.
FIFA and UEFA should be ashamed.
This is obviously a politically motivated move to save themselves from bad PR. This has nothing to do with sanctioning Russia or stopping military funds from causing further damage in Ukraine. What do I think? I think its ridiculous. At what point are we going to start putting Russians in camps? Maybe lets start marking Russian-owned businesses in foreign countries with a painted sickel and hammer?
Are the Russian football players killing people, supporting the invasion or funneling funds towards the military? No. I am no friend of Putin's but we need to call out discrimination when we see it.
FIFA and UEFA should be ashamed.
Many Russian citizens in other countries are already experiencing acts of harassment and bullying by some locals. It makes no difference to those who engage in it who the person is - a famous soccer player, a scientist or an oppositionist to the current government in Russia who has decided to run away from what is happening in the country. And this is very sad.
bad view or impressions towards you just because you are living on a country or does have that nationality on where your leader do hated the most.Lots of industries and decisions similar to this
on where sanctions and blocking our excluding or removing is very common nowadays as long you do attached up on being Russian then they would be having that common impression
but its not really that totally a solid basis for removing some consideration.
One does not cancel the other. Now all sanctions will be applied, both fair and unfair, effective and ineffective. This is a signal to Russia and the world that such actions as Russia arranged by starting a war with Ukraine are unacceptable in the modern world.
By the way, I read local sports news (Russian) and watch a huge stream of players who, using the permission of FIFA and UEFA to terminate contracts with Russian clubs unilaterally, leave Russia en masse. It seems that club football in Russia in just one season will roll back 20-30 years and subsequently return to a normal level will be incredibly difficult.
By the way, I read local sports news (Russian) and watch a huge stream of players who, using the permission of FIFA and UEFA to terminate contracts with Russian clubs unilaterally, leave Russia en masse. It seems that club football in Russia in just one season will roll back 20-30 years and subsequently return to a normal level will be incredibly difficult.
The Russian Championship in this case is not a pity, everything was there on the money of the state, when the state in fact sponsored unprofitable clubs. And it would be fine if they played normally, like Manchester City or PSG, but no. In this case, individual people close to the leadership simply enriched themselves and international players left as mercenaries should because of the threat of non-payment of wages. However, they are quite understandable.
Well, in fairness, we must admit that there were some achievements, both at the level of national teams and clubs - CSKA and Zenit won the UEFA Cup. As for unprofitability, this is a continuation of the Russian state - when everything is state-owned (formally or in fact), then naturally unprofitability or profitability does not bother anyone. Football was a political project and I'm glad that it fell under the rink like other areas of Russian interest.
Remember when people acted like this towards Arabs after 9/11? Or Japanese-Americans being put into internment camps in the USA in 1942 because of their ancestry? How many times are we going to act like Germany in 1940s everytime something bad happens in the world? What is it with this incessant need for having someone to blame?
This is obviously a politically motivated move to save themselves from bad PR. This has nothing to do with sanctioning Russia or stopping military funds from causing further damage in Ukraine. What do I think? I think its ridiculous. At what point are we going to start putting Russians in camps? Maybe lets start marking Russian-owned businesses in foreign countries with a painted sickel and hammer?
Are the Russian football players killing people, supporting the invasion or funneling funds towards the military? No. I am no friend of Putin's but we need to call out discrimination when we see it.
FIFA and UEFA should be ashamed.
This is obviously a politically motivated move to save themselves from bad PR. This has nothing to do with sanctioning Russia or stopping military funds from causing further damage in Ukraine. What do I think? I think its ridiculous. At what point are we going to start putting Russians in camps? Maybe lets start marking Russian-owned businesses in foreign countries with a painted sickel and hammer?
Are the Russian football players killing people, supporting the invasion or funneling funds towards the military? No. I am no friend of Putin's but we need to call out discrimination when we see it.
FIFA and UEFA should be ashamed.
Many Russian citizens in other countries are already experiencing acts of harassment and bullying by some locals. It makes no difference to those who engage in it who the person is - a famous soccer player, a scientist or an oppositionist to the current government in Russia who has decided to run away from what is happening in the country. And this is very sad.
I am glad that not all people advocate the exclusion of the national football team and, as a result, the punishment of ordinary people. It's good that many people understand that games for ordinary people are banned. If there is a desire to ban something and somehow influence, then it is necessary not to exclude the national team, but not to allow money to be exported from Russia to banks and Europe and not to allow Russian oligarchs to buy villas and superyachts in Europe. These are much more effective sanctions.
One does not cancel the other. Now all sanctions will be applied, both fair and unfair, effective and ineffective. This is a signal to Russia and the world that such actions as Russia arranged by starting a war with Ukraine are unacceptable in the modern world.
By the way, I read local sports news (Russian) and watch a huge stream of players who, using the permission of FIFA and UEFA to terminate contracts with Russian clubs unilaterally, leave Russia en masse. It seems that club football in Russia in just one season will roll back 20-30 years and subsequently return to a normal level will be incredibly difficult.
The Russian Championship in this case is not a pity, everything was there on the money of the state, when the state in fact sponsored unprofitable clubs. And it would be fine if they played normally, like Manchester City or PSG, but no. In this case, individual people close to the leadership simply enriched themselves and international players left as mercenaries should because of the threat of non-payment of wages. However, they are quite understandable.
Two weeks later will held world cup play off and Russia still not get good respond with suspended by FIFA and UEFA exactly will give free way to Poland pass to next stage without have against with Russia. I think still have any possibility because world cup play off first leg held on 28th March and maybe have little chance for unsuspend Russian national country, but if can't get chance Russia will be most disappointed because they have success lead to play off round and have little close way pass to world cup qatar.
If the sanctions were withdrawn, their opponents in this play off had already said refused to play against them, this would be next hot issue.Pity the Russian players who are also affected by the choice of the leader. It looks like Russia will absolutely not be playing for the world cup qualifiers meaning there is no chance for Russia to compete in the world cup.
It's really frustrating that even the Russian football team still has to suffer and face the sanctions because of this war. As for me, there's no way for them to play and compete in this year's playoff because there are already lots of complications. Though they don't deserve this, I believe that things like this still have to happen but we can't deny the fact that the Russian team has always been a big challenger.
Remember when people acted like this towards Arabs after 9/11? Or Japanese-Americans being put into internment camps in the USA in 1942 because of their ancestry? How many times are we going to act like Germany in 1940s everytime something bad happens in the world? What is it with this incessant need for having someone to blame?
This is obviously a politically motivated move to save themselves from bad PR. This has nothing to do with sanctioning Russia or stopping military funds from causing further damage in Ukraine. What do I think? I think its ridiculous. At what point are we going to start putting Russians in camps? Maybe lets start marking Russian-owned businesses in foreign countries with a painted sickel and hammer?
Are the Russian football players killing people, supporting the invasion or funneling funds towards the military? No. I am no friend of Putin's but we need to call out discrimination when we see it.
FIFA and UEFA should be ashamed.
This is obviously a politically motivated move to save themselves from bad PR. This has nothing to do with sanctioning Russia or stopping military funds from causing further damage in Ukraine. What do I think? I think its ridiculous. At what point are we going to start putting Russians in camps? Maybe lets start marking Russian-owned businesses in foreign countries with a painted sickel and hammer?
Are the Russian football players killing people, supporting the invasion or funneling funds towards the military? No. I am no friend of Putin's but we need to call out discrimination when we see it.
FIFA and UEFA should be ashamed.
One does not cancel the other. Now all sanctions will be applied, both fair and unfair, effective and ineffective. This is a signal to Russia and the world that such actions as Russia arranged by starting a war with Ukraine are unacceptable in the modern world.
By the way, I read local sports news (Russian) and watch a huge stream of players who, using the permission of FIFA and UEFA to terminate contracts with Russian clubs unilaterally, leave Russia en masse. It seems that club football in Russia in just one season will roll back 20-30 years and subsequently return to a normal level will be incredibly difficult.
Are you trolling?Naturally, sooner or later everything will work out, but I'm not at all sure that we will see the restoration of the Russian championship. For example, now no one is surprised that the championship of Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia is not on the calendar of events. The same can happen with the championship of Russia.
Two weeks later will held world cup play off and Russia still not get good respond with suspended by FIFA and UEFA exactly will give free way to Poland pass to next stage without have against with Russia. I think still have any possibility because world cup play off first leg held on 28th March and maybe have little chance for unsuspend Russian national country, but if can't get chance Russia will be most disappointed because they have success lead to play off round and have little close way pass to world cup qatar.
If the sanctions were withdrawn, their opponents in this play off had already said refused to play against them, this would be next hot issue.Pity the Russian players who are also affected by the choice of the leader. It looks like Russia will absolutely not be playing for the world cup qualifiers meaning there is no chance for Russia to compete in the world cup.
It's really frustrating that even the Russian football team still has to suffer and face the sanctions because of this war. As for me, there's no way for them to play and compete in this year's playoff because there are already lots of complications. Though they don't deserve this, I believe that things like this still have to happen but we can't deny the fact that the Russian team has always been a big challenger.
Anyone heard about the news on Chelsea owner (Roman Abramovich)? In this case, I am going to support the decision from UEFA and FIFA. They have removed the oligarch from the ownership and prohibited the sale of his share. I have also heard that the British government is considering to sell assets of oligarchs including Abramovich and use the proceedings for charity. In the long term, this will benefit the ordinary Russians as well. Corrupt oligarchs will be afraid to move their money out of Russia as a result of this.
I think we all understand what they are trying to do but at least in principle I cannot agree with that, after all I am part of this market and I believe on the principles behind bitcoin which allows you to be your own bank and doesn't allow for any third party to steal your money or your property with a few clicks as part of how the system is designed, so while I think it is fair to suspend some athletes or teams from international competitions this is just plain stealing.Indeed,
We need to remember that many people who have nothing to do with this war are being harmed by the sanctions that are being imposed.
If even for those who are to blame for this war, we can say that they are being robbed... then what about those who lost their financial freedom without having any guilt in this war?
Bitcoin is a completely neutral monetary system in any situation, amazing how there are still people who don't see it and bet on it.
What a load of garbage. Every Russian is accountable for the mass murder that their army is committing in Ukraine as we speak. They were never threatened by this country, Putin is just choosing to be a bully and pick on a country because it's people will not bow down to him. Only a tiny fraction of Russian's are protesting against this, the silent majority sits in fear but they are accomplices and many of them agree with the brainwashing propaganda that pollutes their mind. There was never any need for a single Russian soldier to enter this country, so the amount of sympathy for the worldwide backlash and sanctions should be zero. The negotiations are a joke because Putin has no desire to end this tragedy.
On the other hand, it's inevitable the civilized world sees Russia in the worse manner as possible at this time, including their citizens. Anyway, don't let the anger take control of your heart. Generalizations don't correspond to the real facts.
Two weeks later will held world cup play off and Russia still not get good respond with suspended by FIFA and UEFA exactly will give free way to Poland pass to next stage without have against with Russia. I think still have any possibility because world cup play off first leg held on 28th March and maybe have little chance for unsuspend Russian national country, but if can't get chance Russia will be most disappointed because they have success lead to play off round and have little close way pass to world cup qatar.
If the sanctions were withdrawn, their opponents in this play off had already said refused to play against them, this would be next hot issue.Pity the Russian players who are also affected by the choice of the leader. It looks like Russia will absolutely not be playing for the world cup qualifiers meaning there is no chance for Russia to compete in the world cup.
Sanctions from FIFA and UEFA are like killing the careers of Russian football players, not only the Russian national team is banned from competition, Russian clubs are also prohibited from playing any matches under the auspices of FIFA and UEFA.
Two weeks later will held world cup play off and Russia still not get good respond with suspended by FIFA and UEFA exactly will give free way to Poland pass to next stage without have against with Russia. I think still have any possibility because world cup play off first leg held on 28th March and maybe have little chance for unsuspend Russian national country, but if can't get chance Russia will be most disappointed because they have success lead to play off round and have little close way pass to world cup qatar.
If the sanctions were withdrawn, their opponents in this play off had already said refused to play against them, this would be next hot issue.Pity the Russian players who are also affected by the choice of the leader. It looks like Russia will absolutely not be playing for the world cup qualifiers meaning there is no chance for Russia to compete in the world cup.
Two weeks later will held world cup play off and Russia still not get good respond with suspended by FIFA and UEFA exactly will give free way to Poland pass to next stage without have against with Russia. I think still have any possibility because world cup play off first leg held on 28th March and maybe have little chance for unsuspend Russian national country, but if can't get chance Russia will be most disappointed because they have success lead to play off round and have little close way pass to world cup qatar.
I'm not Russian, but I was still shocked by your generalization.
We cannot blame every Russian citizen for Putin's consequences, Russian people cannot change their country in the same way they change the football team they support.
Remember that many Russian people who protested against Putin were arrested, and this is the main reason many people remain neutral, but that doesn't mean they agree.
We cannot blame every Russian citizen for Putin's consequences, Russian people cannot change their country in the same way they change the football team they support.
Remember that many Russian people who protested against Putin were arrested, and this is the main reason many people remain neutral, but that doesn't mean they agree.
Being an Indian, I would say that it is wrong to blame Russia alone in this case. Russia did what any other country would do in self-defense. The endless expansion of NATO is the main trigger here. How would the Americans feel if Russia sets up missile bases across the border at Tijuana? From what I have seen, the vast majority of people in my country support Russia. Ukrainians made the mistake when they elected a clown as their president. Their soldiers are using civilians as human shield, and then complaining that the Russians are bombing residential areas.
What a load of garbage. Every Russian is accountable for the mass murder that their army is committing in Ukraine as we speak. They were never threatened by this country, Putin is just choosing to be a bully and pick on a country because it's people will not bow down to him. Only a tiny fraction of Russian's are protesting against this, the silent majority sits in fear but they are accomplices and many of them agree with the brainwashing propaganda that pollutes their mind. There was never any need for a single Russian soldier to enter this country, so the amount of sympathy for the worldwide backlash and sanctions should be zero. The negotiations are a joke because Putin has no desire to end this tragedy.
I'm not Russian, but I was still shocked by your generalization.
We cannot blame every Russian citizen for Putin's consequences, Russian people cannot change their country in the same way they change the football team they support.
Remember that many Russian people who protested against Putin were arrested, and this is the main reason many people remain neutral, but that doesn't mean they agree.
Anyone heard about the news on Chelsea owner (Roman Abramovich)? In this case, I am going to support the decision from UEFA and FIFA. They have removed the oligarch from the ownership and prohibited the sale of his share. I have also heard that the British government is considering to sell assets of oligarchs including Abramovich and use the proceedings for charity. In the long term, this will benefit the ordinary Russians as well. Corrupt oligarchs will be afraid to move their money out of Russia as a result of this.
I think we all understand what they are trying to do but at least in principle I cannot agree with that, after all I am part of this market and I believe on the principles behind bitcoin which allows you to be your own bank and doesn't allow for any third party to steal your money or your property with a few clicks as part of how the system is designed, so while I think it is fair to suspend some athletes or teams from international competitions this is just plain stealing.Indeed,
We need to remember that many people who have nothing to do with this war are being harmed by the sanctions that are being imposed.
If even for those who are to blame for this war, we can say that they are being robbed... then what about those who lost their financial freedom without having any guilt in this war?
Bitcoin is a completely neutral monetary system in any situation, amazing how there are still people who don't see it and bet on it.
What a load of garbage. Every Russian is accountable for the mass murder that their army is committing in Ukraine as we speak. They were never threatened by this country, Putin is just choosing to be a bully and pick on a country because it's people will not bow down to him. Only a tiny fraction of Russian's are protesting against this, the silent majority sits in fear but they are accomplices and many of them agree with the brainwashing propaganda that pollutes their mind. There was never any need for a single Russian soldier to enter this country, so the amount of sympathy for the worldwide backlash and sanctions should be zero. The negotiations are a joke because Putin has no desire to end this tragedy.
country doesnt mean that they would really be loving to see other people die just because their leader had made out such step on whatever purpose he do have in mind.
Some sanctions are just right and some are not specially about exclusions because they are russians or something like that but well there's no stopping now.
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