The bet clearly states it is about the three original devices, 4.5GH/s 60GH/s and 1500GH/s as were the offerings from last year, this device is not one of those and therefore BFL haven't delivered.
Even 40 Gh/s in the yahoo article does not meet 75%
Topic: First BFL ASIC! - page 19. (Read 58307 times)
Even 40 Gh/s in the yahoo article does not meet 75%
We have carefully examined both sides of the argument. First of all, on our site title is definitely part of the agreement. We do not count the current status as BFL "shipping" the products, therefore other bets are still open. On the other hand the conditions in the description are met. Unfortunately the statement description, as it is written, can be interpreted as complementary conditions to shipping for more clear evidence or the definition of shipping. As much as we would like to settle the bet on one side (as we would earn a significant commission) we do not think that the situation is unambiguous under these circumstances which would be very hard to foresee at the time of statement initiation. As we have been doing before, we will continue to call a draw if there is a such an ambiguity. All the bets will be refunded without any commission.
Haha, bye bye.
How is the title true?
How is 25/40 > 75% true?
How is anything else I pointed out in the first statement true?
How are both listed statements true if one is false?
I had quite a bit of coin riding on this bet, and I feel like Bets of Bitcoin is trying to cheat me out of what I won fair and square.
Aside from all of the other reasons, the pictures clearly were not posted before April. The bet outcome should be "true".
Aside from all of the other reasons, the pictures clearly were not posted before April. The bet outcome should be "true".
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One of your bets at Bets of Bitcoin has been decided as a draw and refunded. Details are below:
Statement: Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013
Link: http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=701
Your side: Agree
Your bet amount: 0.25
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http://betsofbitco.in
The bet clearly states it is about the three original devices, 4.5GH/s 60GH/s and 1500GH/s as were the offerings from last year, this device is not one of those and therefore BFL haven't delivered.
BFL = BUNCH OF F*CKING LIARS
Has there ever been a company as bad as BFL? Maybe that mystery shopping scam.. Also does BFL run enough ads?
Has there ever been a company as bad as BFL? Maybe that mystery shopping scam.. Also does BFL run enough ads?
We have carefully examined both sides of the argument. First of all, on our site title is definitely part of the agreement. We do not count the current status as BFL "shipping" the products, therefore other bets are still open. On the other hand the conditions in the description are met. Unfortunately the statement description, as it is written, can be interpreted as complementary conditions to shipping for more clear evidence or the definition of shipping. As much as we would like to settle the bet on one side (as we would earn a significant commission) we do not think that the situation is unambiguous under these circumstances which would be very hard to foresee at the time of statement initiation. As we have been doing before, we will continue to call a draw if there is a such an ambiguity. All the bets will be refunded without any commission.
You realize that every contentious bet is going to be "ambiguous" now, right? Any time someone is on the wrong side, they're going to claim that the rules weren't clear and try and get a refund.
I call for a full boycott of betsofbitco.in
I will personally send the first coin to run an advertising campaign against them. This is total bullshit. Bettors have been cheated by a bitcoin site.
I fucking hate this shit. It cheapens the entire space.
someone tally the users that said it was false vs. true. Even the guys that I have BFL bets with claimed BFL lost!
I will personally send the first coin to run an advertising campaign against them. This is total bullshit. Bettors have been cheated by a bitcoin site.
I fucking hate this shit. It cheapens the entire space.
someone tally the users that said it was false vs. true. Even the guys that I have BFL bets with claimed BFL lost!
We have carefully examined both sides of the argument. First of all, on our site title is definitely part of the agreement. We do not count the current status as BFL "shipping" the products, therefore other bets are still open. On the other hand the conditions in the description are met. Unfortunately the statement description, as it is written, can be interpreted as complementary conditions to shipping for more clear evidence or the definition of shipping. As much as we would like to settle the bet on one side (as we would earn a significant commission) we do not think that the situation is unambiguous under these circumstances which would be very hard to foresee at the time of statement initiation. As we have been doing before, we will continue to call a draw if there is a such an ambiguity. All the bets will be refunded without any commission.
At worst this should be a push. However the right wager was the wager on no and should prevail.
Also let's hope this was a learning experience the wager description was complete rubbish.
Pictures were not posted until April. Bet outcome should be true.
Very disappointed to see this after BoB specially solicited feedback, and the feedback being pretty much overwhelmingly in support of the true outcome.
What, did it have to be unanimous? What was the point?
Very disappointed to see this after BoB specially solicited feedback, and the feedback being pretty much overwhelmingly in support of the true outcome.
What, did it have to be unanimous? What was the point?
We have carefully examined both sides of the argument. First of all, on our site title is definitely part of the agreement. We do not count the current status as BFL "shipping" the products, therefore other bets are still open. On the other hand the conditions in the description are met. Unfortunately the statement description, as it is written, can be interpreted as complementary conditions to shipping for more clear evidence or the definition of shipping. As much as we would like to settle the bet on one side (as we would earn a significant commission) we do not think that the situation is unambiguous under these circumstances which would be very hard to foresee at the time of statement initiation. As we have been doing before, we will continue to call a draw if there is a such an ambiguity. All the bets will be refunded without any commission.
Making a decision is worth something and I think a quick decision is wise also.
I, however, will not use your betting site as, IMO, you have allowed someone to clearly welch on a bet. It was poorly written but it is pretty clear that this company is NOT shipping.
We have carefully examined both sides of the argument. First of all, on our site title is definitely part of the agreement. We do not count the current status as BFL "shipping" the products, therefore other bets are still open. On the other hand the conditions in the description are met. Unfortunately the statement description, as it is written, can be interpreted as complementary conditions to shipping for more clear evidence or the definition of shipping. As much as we would like to settle the bet on one side (as we would earn a significant commission) we do not think that the situation is unambiguous under these circumstances which would be very hard to foresee at the time of statement initiation. As we have been doing before, we will continue to call a draw if there is a such an ambiguity. All the bets will be refunded without any commission.
I will launch internet marketing jihad upon your site if you call it a draw. I will label you personally a scammer and many others will as well.
With this statement alone your site is done. If you do the right thing the outrage will not be so great.
pay the BFL don'ts, take the line. It is super, duper 100% clear. Take a poll, although you clearly ignored the vast majority of these posters the first time...
We have carefully examined both sides of the argument. First of all, on our site title is definitely part of the agreement. We do not count the current status as BFL "shipping" the products, therefore other bets are still open. On the other hand the conditions in the description are met. Unfortunately the statement description, as it is written, can be interpreted as complementary conditions to shipping for more clear evidence or the definition of shipping. As much as we would like to settle the bet on one side (as we would earn a significant commission) we do not think that the situation is unambiguous under these circumstances which would be very hard to foresee at the time of statement initiation. As we have been doing before, we will continue to call a draw if there is a such an ambiguity. All the bets will be refunded without any commission.
I found the following edits to the Wiki page interesting:
https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Mining_hardware_comparison&action=historysubmit&diff=36551&oldid=36497
https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Mining_hardware_comparison&action=historysubmit&diff=36551&oldid=36497
I did not bet anything on this but this is fucking classic. 
I don't mind taking time to judge bets, but this one is pretty clear. I do not trust betsofbitco.in anymore. See my opinion below. If this was credible their wouldn't be a 15 page argument.
Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013 if units were shipped to regular customers, at least 1 other person should receive their(s) sometime soon. If not, this is a prototype, in-house model.
This bet concerns the 3 Butterfly Labs Bitforce SC products announced here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.966886
For this statement to be false, both of the two following conditions must be met:
-Before April 1st 2013, Eastern time was listed in the conditions below: The OP was 1:36 AM April First (EST)
-at least one BFL customer Is this what the rest of the customers are getting, a prototype?
-with a bitcointalk.org forum account established prior to the bet's opening date true
-shall post detailed and credible photos of the device on the forum, Credible?? What is the device in the picture? I see two heatsinks. I know for a fact that natural convection heat transfer will not dissipate ~176W throughout either 1 or both those without incurring >100*C operating temps
-including photos of it operating, Whatever I am looking at, something is operating
-and report its hashrate. Is this the hash rate the other customers are going to get?
-This customer cannot be a BFL employee. regular customers do not program or affiliate with BFL past purchasing
• The device must achieve at least 75% of its advertised hashrate. originally 60Gh/s. Yahoo article from the bet link mentioned 40 Gh/s ( 25/40 = 62.5% )
I do have a small stake in this bet.
If anything, withhold the bets until other customers get their units and see if the numbers are the same as this one (only with a case). This will allow other customers to get 30Gh/s at 176w units by motivating BFL to get it working to this standard.
This unit is sitting at BFL with the photo taken by josh..............
http://news.yahoo.com/butterfly-labs-announces-next-generation-asic-lineup-054626776.html
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Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013 if units were shipped to regular customers, at least 1 other person should receive their(s) sometime soon. If not, this is a prototype, in-house model.
This bet concerns the 3 Butterfly Labs Bitforce SC products announced here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.966886
For this statement to be false, both of the two following conditions must be met:
-Before April 1st 2013, Eastern time was listed in the conditions below: The OP was 1:36 AM April First (EST)
-at least one BFL customer Is this what the rest of the customers are getting, a prototype?
-with a bitcointalk.org forum account established prior to the bet's opening date true
-shall post detailed and credible photos of the device on the forum, Credible?? What is the device in the picture? I see two heatsinks. I know for a fact that natural convection heat transfer will not dissipate ~176W throughout either 1 or both those without incurring >100*C operating temps
-including photos of it operating, Whatever I am looking at, something is operating
-and report its hashrate. Is this the hash rate the other customers are going to get?
-This customer cannot be a BFL employee. regular customers do not program or affiliate with BFL past purchasing
• The device must achieve at least 75% of its advertised hashrate. originally 60Gh/s. Yahoo article from the bet link mentioned 40 Gh/s ( 25/40 = 62.5% )
I do have a small stake in this bet.
If anything, withhold the bets until other customers get their units and see if the numbers are the same as this one (only with a case). This will allow other customers to get 30Gh/s at 176w units by motivating BFL to get it working to this standard.
This unit is sitting at BFL with the photo taken by josh..............
http://news.yahoo.com/butterfly-labs-announces-next-generation-asic-lineup-054626776.html
Not only did the ASIC not leave the BFL lab, so was never shipped anywhere
but also this..
Luke Jr was flown in on BLFs dollar to code their software so is an employee!
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/luke-jr/97-preparing-my-trip-bfl.html
How many other "customers" where flown in at BFL's expense?
but also this..
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This customer cannot be a BFL employee.
Luke Jr was flown in on BLFs dollar to code their software so is an employee!
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/luke-jr/97-preparing-my-trip-bfl.html
How many other "customers" where flown in at BFL's expense?
I do not think anyone truly knows why they are not shipping. It would appear that they are not shipping because they have no idea what they are doing. BUT, in their own words (profanity really), they have constantly stated how brilliant they are and how stupid everyone else is. It was only a day ago that Josh was again denigrating Avalon so one would assume that Josh and BFL are superior engineers to avalon. If we take BFL at their word
lol
, that means they ARE NOT INCOMPETENT so why are they not shipping? What say you Nathan?
You haven't really raised any points for me to reply to.
Interesting that is the way you perceive it. That is what is great about a market, it takes buyers and sellers or bulls and bears or believers and non-believers to have one.
I do not think anyone truly knows why they are not shipping. It would appear that they are not shipping because they have no idea what they are doing. BUT, in their own words (profanity really), they have constantly stated how brilliant they are and how stupid everyone else is. It was only a day ago that Josh was again denigrating Avalon so one would assume that Josh and BFL are superior engineers to avalon. If we take BFL at their word
lol
, that means they ARE NOT INCOMPETENT so why are they not shipping? What say you Nathan?
You haven't really raised any points for me to reply to.
Sorry Nathan (A known BFL supporter), I'll update it right now. I haven't been around in these last few days.
One quick second.
Moving
One quick second.
Moving
Sorry Nathan (A known BFL supporter)
You say that like I'm the enemy
I do not think anyone truly knows why they are not shipping. It would appear that they are not shipping because they have no idea what they are doing. BUT, in their own words (profanity really), they have constantly stated how brilliant they are and how stupid everyone else is. It was only a day ago that Josh was again denigrating Avalon so one would assume that Josh and BFL are superior engineers to avalon. If we take BFL at their word, that means they ARE NOT INCOMPETENT so why are they not shipping? What say you Nathan?
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