Topic: First BFL ASIC! - page 20. (Read 58307 times)

Right.  Even when Avalon shipped to jgarzik, it was a final product.  It was shipped.  BFL is trying to pass thiss off as shipping and hoping nobody catches them with their pants down.  We caught them.

You say that like I'm the enemy

My vote is this is an engineering sample.  This is not "shipped" to customer.  "Shipped" indicates a full working unit in the customers hands at the customer premesis.  Clearly this is not.


"at least one BFL customer" - debatable as this occured at BFL's location, the device is not actually with the customer
"with a bitcointalk.org forum account established prior to the bet's opening date" - OK
"shall post detailed and credible photos of the device on the forum" - OK
"including photos of it operating, and report its hashrate." - OK
"This customer cannot be a BFL employee." - debatable at this point

As for 75% of advertised hashrate, the answer is NO.

"Advertised" was 60Ghash.  Just because they revised it to 30GH at the last second doesn't meet the definition when the bets were placed.  23GH is 76% of 30GH.

GRASPING.  AT.  STRAWS.

Looking at it that way though, you're essentially stating that false = true.  The title was most certainly correct that BFL didn't ship anything, but the conditions, if not met, contradict the title.

Sorry Nathan (A known BFL supporter), I'll update it right now. I haven't been around in these last few days.

One quick second.

Moving my counter up a bit...

$statement = "The title of the bid";
$condition1 = "The first condition";
$condition2 = "The second condition";

#The bet states:

if ($condition1==true)&&($condition2=true);{
$statement=false;
}
else{
$statement=true;
}

If both of the conditions are true then the statement is conditionally set to false.

The statement is the title.

Ummm...


Right.

Who's the one spouting bullshit now?

Conlusion, yes you are a troll. But a special troll. The kind that opens new accounts simply to respond to legitimate points under a pseudonym. You are Joshin' me right?


Dummy!

This is about a different bet. This has nothing to do with that bet!

Learn to read and comprehend. Or in your filtered reading ability. Blah...Blah.

I cannot hold a candle to my brother Josh.

None, no not one, can match his Joshin'. (See this thread and others as a reference)


That is funny.

I am just voicing the obvious. So what?

Are you for them winning the bet on this slippery and sliding scam?

The guy says he left his "machine" at BFL when he went home. He states that it was delivered to him in his hands @ BFL....

Then, he says he wants it shipped to "his home" in another "foreign nation". Can you say contradictions?

This shows he never had any intent to keep it at BFL. This much is evident. We don't even know if he has even accepted that "prototype" as his. For all we know, Luke is expecting a corrected PCB with his order. The kind that consumes alot less than 180watts.

All we do know is that Josh does not consider the device functional or ready to be shipped. That is the case. (someone link to BFL's youtube account where Josh explicitly admits this.)

Then, there is the issue of Josh taking the photo for him (apparently) and Luke pretending it was him taking the photo. That requires an actual intention to deceive BetsofBitcoin. One small mistake made the situation complicated in that [assumed] lie.
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To add insult to injury, (and I respect Luke as a fellow Christian) the guy seems to be helping them stretch the truth to it's limits. I don't know what the reasoning is or what the idea is behind that. But I have to call BS.

That sir, is the truest form of BS.

Both Josh and Luke admit the device isn't complete, that shipping is slated for the future. Yet at the same time, they want to claim a bet for which the stipulation(s) are not met. Lets be serious about this. They never shipped. It even comes out of their own mouths (Before/During/After).

If Logic offends you, don't come to BitCoinTalk. Go to....BFL forums. I guarantee you, you will see logic being defied every day.

This precedent, if it occurs, would and should turn over many bets placed at BetsofBitcoin.

Should they start this slippery slope of defining what is and isn't legitimate in the regions of a bets text (Title for example). That will lead to others claiming that previous Bets should very be turned on its head.

195w each one,and no fans??

video card is less power and more fans

Too true.

For example:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein#Insurance_dispute

The title clearly states, in bold, if it ships? Did I miss something?

Why on earth did they even post this, even BFL dont regard it as shipping or a product.

Ignoring the title - Key phase, before you can evaluate this analysis, you have to agree with the posters assumption that the title is not important in determining the bet.   This title reads very specifically so either you the title should matter or not.  It does set a precedent.   I think misleading titles should be a factor if people think BFL did met the outcome requirement to affirm the bet.

I stated this opinion as well.  People will do what people will do.

I see what your saying but your example is of a flawed system (taxes).  Using that to back up a bet that clearly is using technical language to misinform the intent, isn't that in it self an admission that I am correct?   You can't have it both ways if you want to debate my comments.   I believe most people would actually side that intent matter (good faith) and technical details are usually used to take advantage over another person or group.  

I would hope you are on the side of intent when it can be measure and not details.     I operate on intent first and then make sure that matches my legal language of contracts I offer for signature.

Fact: You have been informed already that Josh/BFL has agreed that they lost the bet and will be donating 1000BTC to a charity.. multiple times

...you are beyond the definition of Ultra-troll.  I always thought BFL made a SUPER stupid mistake by hiring a little immature brat like Josh to be the frontman to their operation here.. but you are certainly the very essence of the word "troll".  How people just let you go on and on and on with your bullshit is beyond me.   It's really not hard to make BFL look stupid.. and when you try SOOOO damn hard it just makes you look like a jackass.  They should temp-ban all the people who's ignore button is as colorful as yours.

I cannot get over how f*cking stupid this OP post was.

Does he not realize people have been waiting close to six months for this miner?
If I was a customer I’d be real upset.  Regardless of the day..

Who cares about the bet, set that aside.  (The answer is obvious, no.)

Luke may be computer smart, but that sure wasn’t business smart.  Can you tarnish the image of BFL anymore?

Yeah, I know I should have invested in bitcoins "all-in" (more FPGA's as buying bitcoins and hoarding outright is all greed and not supporting the ideology at all = just like any wallstreet coorporate drone), back when I bought my FPGA's in december 2011. Oh well, at least I'm not totally BTC-less. Also it feels strange to have a large amount of "wealth" in a small easily misplace/erase/forgetpassword-able file.

Edit: Actually I don't need anyone that gives a crap!

SO MUCH THIS

Isn't there a conflict of interest when Josh took the photos apparently? If Luke handled the unit personally, why didn't he take the photos? The credibility of the information provided is clearly questionable, and when it was provided. That is an automatic loss. Good day sir, and i'm glad i'm not involved in this nonsense.