Topic: First BFL ASIC! - page 17. (Read 58323 times)

Alright, I'll chime in as someone who bet 15BTC on 'true', i.e. the BFL-will-fuck-up position. Maybe I'm the only guy on the bet-is-true side to think that BoB made an acceptable call here, but so be it. No, BFL didn't win the bet, but they provided juuuuust enough wiggle room to provide 18+ pages of shouting.

I suggest we all give BoB a break here. The real ire should be reserved for Josh, the worst and slimiest customer relations guy in recorded history, and Luke, who is a whore. If BoB screwed up anywhere it was in not demanding a more precisely worded bet.

I'd refuse to use that service considering the shaky and dubious evidence to support that it was even SHIPPED! It is not in the consumers hand what gives. Obviously there is some conflict of interest here. Sad to see people WELCH on a bet like this and goes to the ethics of Betsofbitco.in., Luke and BFL. Sad indeed.

In my opinion this makes it pretty clear. The bet was about 3 devices and not about fourth.

I have to agree with this post. I wish no ills toward BoB, but Bryan and others, along with mine, have shown one way or another that the bet is true. If nothing else, the post was made after midnight on April 1, 2013, as repeated a couple posts above the one I'm quoting. If Luke was so concerned about the bit, why didn't he post prior to midnight EST?

I'm afraid that tbd has a valid point about all future and ongoing bets on BoB.

Again, I have no ills toward BoB or Luke.

~Bruno K~

EDIT: @Luke: Still no ills, but leaning toward the below. If I lean further or change my stance, I'll post such. Later, bud.


(apologies for not including the author of quote above, but it's on this thread page 16)

Sounds about right.  

You missed to touch on the part where betsofbitco.in turned out to be a crappy bet website, now being abandoned by a greater part of the bitcointalk community.

Is BitBet.us the next alternative?

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This was a pretty interesting bet at the end.  Defiantly got my winnings worth.

So let me try to explain the situation how I best can describe it:

BFL does not have anything resembling an actual product, but instead they have a bunch of bits and pieces laying around on a table and a half-employee-customer that does not have any desire to have that abortion of bits and pieces shipped to him. And the bits and pieces are not even working properly falling short of the 75% criteria of the advertised hashrate and overheating like mad.

Is there anything incorrect in that description of the situation? How would you compare the correctness of that to the other competing opinion that BFL has shipped a product.

Let me then speculate, but for this truly to be Luke-Jr's shipped product, both of the two following speculative assumptions must definitely be false:

1) BFL guys are still continuing to hit those bits and pieces on the table with an oscilloscope, SW debugging tools and various other lab testing equipment and they are not keeping it fully powered on hashing 24/7 in the fear it will overheat and die setting fire to the whole building before they are able to find out everything what is wrong with it.

2) Luke-Jr's unit will be swapped for a working production model that is going to be actually shipped to him as soon as they are finished and this abortion on the table will be thrown into trashcan by BFL employees either at the moment when finished products are available or when this unit dies from overheating whichever happens sooner and Luke-Jr is not going to feel sorry for 'his' unit. Maybe for the lost bitcoins, but not for 'his unit'.

Exactly.  The title of the bet is SHIPPED.  They have not shipped anything.  I too did not bet on this or any other BFL related bet.

Very disappointed in Betsofbitco.in. This is a total copout. We all know they haven't shipped anything, and that the best they've done so far is cobble together a prototype that doesn't meet their advertised specs. Which is great! Congrats! But they soundly and completely lost this bet.

I had no money on the line for this, and if anything I would have taken the other side of this bet. I expected BFL to ship by now. I hope they fix their problems, build some working units, and ship soon. But they sure as hell haven't done that yet.

Not a haiku?

That's ok, sometime people hear what they want to hear. You misheard them. Josh actually said:


"one of the first" That means near the front, but not the actual first. You are getting a device sooner than your order number in compensation for working on the miner. It's ok to be compensated for your work. You don't need to feel bad and lie about it.

Not on topic but whatever.

HAPPY $125 Bitcoin!!!

So you never answered.

Are you being compensated by BFL in any way for your development efforts?

Not that I doubt you, but I doubt you so what was your order #?

I don't intend to make this a heated argument or anything, I just want to make sense of the situation.

Edit: just saw your edit. disregard this

Ohhh BFL, the ripples you create humor me.
Ohhh, Betsofbitco.in, how you have suprised me.
Thought the answer to this was an obvious one.

No need to insult me personally.
Welcome to my ignore list....

See this quote ppl?

This is what i'm talking about. Hey stupid, you didnt lose any money. You just didnt "win" as you wanted. The decision is clear, you bet on a debatable term. Deal with it or cry me a fcking river.

I don't lie. All I can speculate is that maybe their "very front of the line" included multiple positions as "front".

Edit: Another possibility is that the customer service people just didn't have it accurate, since my order was setup directly (not via the ordering system).

BTW, I started out that semi-long post I made a few minutes ago with the intention of presenting arguments for both sides.
I was surprised that I couldn't come up with any good arguments for the post-April betters... but it is what it is.

I understand BFL shipping to a pool/miner dev first, but you were certainly not at the front of the normal queue so please refrain from lying to make you or them seem better, okay?

I know this because I was confirmed by BFL to be at the very front of the line, with order number 1656.

--Garrett

Aw..... I dont bet neither...... and i agree with BetsofBitcoin

So no, you can go fck yourself