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legendary
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September 10, 2019, 04:02:27 PM
#49
I'm not religious either, nor are any members of my family, though most people in my family are still against gambling, though I still gamble and I don't see anything wrong with it, and as Avikz mentioned, there's actually positive economic benefits that can be indirectly or directly attributed to profits from gambling, though not in all cases. Calling money from gambling 'dirty' is therefore a pretty old-fashioned view on things in my eyes, and the only funds I would really call dirty would be funds obtained through illegal activites such as fraud.
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September 10, 2019, 03:45:14 PM
#48
Even though I'm not religious, gambling money is actually not equal to money you have worked hard to earn. You can win $100 easily. But takes a lot of hard work to earn $100. When you work hard to earn that money, you will protect it with love and will use it wisely. However, free money means you will be careless and hence, money earnt from gambling does no good to you as you end up busting it or using it for meaningless purpose. Remember, when you are winning, you are taking someone else's money. It can be the casino owners or of players who are losing. And how can you be happy with a money that results in the loss of money to someone else ? Wink
No one does become a saint when it comes to money where everyone wont really care at all anymore as long they would able to gain it
by all means.Im not that kind of harsh person but thats the reality of this world where anyone do cares just to earn no matter what way
or method it is.Gambling money can be considered legal or illegal depending on how did you obtained it but as well know we did risk something
and luckily we won.We cant say not to be happy because you took out others money.How about on asking reversibly? For sure you wont say the same thing.
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September 10, 2019, 01:46:05 PM
#47
Even though I'm not religious, gambling money is actually not equal to money you have worked hard to earn. You can win $100 easily. But takes a lot of hard work to earn $100. When you work hard to earn that money, you will protect it with love and will use it wisely. However, free money means you will be careless and hence, money earnt from gambling does no good to you as you end up busting it or using it for meaningless purpose. Remember, when you are winning, you are taking someone else's money. It can be the casino owners or of players who are losing. And how can you be happy with a money that results in the loss of money to someone else ? Wink
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September 10, 2019, 01:22:34 PM
#46
If your religious prohibited gambling then everything that comes from this are dirty considerably..just like in Islam in which I believe gambling is a sin(if you are a Muslim you should know this)

Same as in Catholic or some Christian religion when they are saying that Gambling is a sin but they are accepting money came from gambling institutions and donations from gambler itself

One thing we need to know is that gambling is not a sin, in the Bible and the Qur'an it is not written that gambling is a sin.

if it's not a sin why is it prohibited?? it refers to the impact made before or after playing gambling

stealing money to play gambling (stealing is a sin)
committing adultery after winning a gamble (adultery is a sin)
lying to your family for losing gambling (lying is a sin)
kill someone for being offended at the gambling table (killing is a sin)

To make story short if people don’t gamble they may not commit those sin so still gambling is sin.
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September 10, 2019, 12:58:14 PM
#45
Money can be considered as "dirty" for me if it was acquired thru illegal means or thru cheating/fraud. In the case of gambling, winning fair and square should be "clean" and as long as gambling/betting is done legally.


When I was in college, there was a hot debate within the church whether or not to accept donations coming from dirty sources such as gambling.
How did this debate ended?  Cheesy
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September 10, 2019, 12:53:33 PM
#44
One thing we need to know is that gambling is not a sin, in the Bible and the Qur'an it is not written that gambling is a sin.

if it's not a sin why is it prohibited?? it refers to the impact made before or after playing gambling

stealing money to play gambling (stealing is a sin)
committing adultery after winning a gamble (adultery is a sin)
lying to your family for losing gambling (lying is a sin)
kill someone for being offended at the gambling table (killing is a sin)

why a lot of crime related to gambling arises in poor countries because they force themselves to play gambling with a low economy.

personally I think.. as long as you don't steal, don't cheat and hurt people while gambling then the money isn't dirty money and a sin.

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September 10, 2019, 12:49:50 PM
#43
I have checked all replies I saw that the majority are saying that the money you have earned in gambling is not dirty money. Literarily yes, that is clean because I don't think gambling money is dirty money, but if gambling is illegal in your country maybe that is dirty. Well, unlike stealing or robbing that is illegal. As long as it is not against the law you can't call it dirty. Unless if you are not playing fair but if it's a fair play or game then, it should be clean money.
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September 10, 2019, 12:35:04 PM
#42
This to me is a traditional view which remains persistent until the very day.

My mother considered gambling as playing with money. She sternly reminded us not to gamble. When I was in college, there was a hot debate within the church whether or not to accept donations coming from dirty sources such as gambling. And in Islam, gambling (maysir) is haram (forbidden). [1]

I have a friend whose father would not serve the family food bought using gambling money.

And just a few years ago, our Education Secretary shunned billions of state-funds because they are coming from gambling. She didn't think it moral and proper to buy books and even build classrooms using the dirty gambling money. [2]

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with it, or you consider these as old-fashioned views?



Sources:
1. https://questionsonislam.com/question/what-gambling-what-view-islam-gambling
2. https://www.philstar.com/other-sections/education-and-home/2016/09/29/1628372/briones-shuns-gambling-money-education
3. https://www.manilatimes.net/2016/10/29/opinion/editorial/pragmatism-morality-classrooms-pagcor-money/293705/



The view is not of your mum alone because it cuts across every spheres of human endeavours and the reason is not far fetched which was what was obtainable in the past as at when they were growing up. People who engage in gambling at the time are seen as social menace who are people that are lazy and decide to see gambling as a quick way to get rich and we have seen people also use the route as a means to launder their ill gotten wealth.

Truth be told, even in today's dispensation, there have been argument and release of "dirty money" finding its way into gambling but its not as profound as its being said because today we have the KYC being applied to gambling whether online or offline where gambling sites are made to comply with.
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September 10, 2019, 12:28:14 PM
#41
This to me is a traditional view which remains persistent until the very day.

My mother considered gambling as playing with money. She sternly reminded us not to gamble. When I was in college, there was a hot debate within the church whether or not to accept donations coming from dirty sources such as gambling. And in Islam, gambling (maysir) is haram (forbidden). [1]

I have a friend whose father would not serve the family food bought using gambling money.

And just a few years ago, our Education Secretary shunned billions of state-funds because they are coming from gambling. She didn't think it moral and proper to buy books and even build classrooms using the dirty gambling money. [2]

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with it, or you consider these as old-fashioned views?


I understand it's your personal view and I respect that fact! However, we all are individuals and our thought processes are different. We all grew up with different opinions around us and when we attained a certain age, we started seeing the world as per our own views and opinions. I too grew up in a very conservative family where gambling is seen as negative thing to be involved with! But as per my own views, I see gambling as just another business! A lot of people don't like Alcohol or Tobacco business but these businesses are one of the highest tax paying businesses! So every thing has its own pros and cons. It's up to us to decide for ourselves whether we want to involve with it or not!

I don't consider your view as an old-fashioned one! But neither I consider gambling as an evil business! It's just another legal form of business which provide employment to a lot of people. I had actually done some research on the positive effects of gambling business on the economy of a country and I would definitely want you to read that,

How gambling can effect the economy of a country [Part 1 - USA]
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-gambling-can-effect-the-economy-of-a-country-part-1-usa-4308093

How gambling can effect the economy of a country [Part 2 - Macau]
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-gambling-can-effect-the-economy-of-a-country-part-2-macau-4324507  
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September 10, 2019, 12:22:21 PM
#40
This to me is a traditional view which remains persistent until the very day.

My mother considered gambling as playing with money. She sternly reminded us not to gamble. When I was in college, there was a hot debate within the church whether or not to accept donations coming from dirty sources such as gambling. And in Islam, gambling (maysir) is haram (forbidden). [1]

I have a friend whose father would not serve the family food bought using gambling money.

And just a few years ago, our Education Secretary shunned billions of state-funds because they are coming from gambling. She didn't think it moral and proper to buy books and even build classrooms using the dirty gambling money. [2]

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with it, or you consider these as old-fashioned views?



Sources:
1. https://questionsonislam.com/question/what-gambling-what-view-islam-gambling
2. https://www.philstar.com/other-sections/education-and-home/2016/09/29/1628372/briones-shuns-gambling-money-education
3. https://www.manilatimes.net/2016/10/29/opinion/editorial/pragmatism-morality-classrooms-pagcor-money/293705/



I completely disagree with this notion that Gambling is dirty money, we gamblers don’t steal money and play with it rather we play using our hard earned savings. Religion beliefs are not always right and people should not follow them blindly, they should use logic and then make an opinion about it.
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September 10, 2019, 12:21:46 PM
#39
This to me is a traditional view which remains persistent until the very day.

My mother considered gambling as playing with money. She sternly reminded us not to gamble. When I was in college, there was a hot debate within the church whether or not to accept donations coming from dirty sources such as gambling. And in Islam, gambling (maysir) is haram (forbidden). [1]

I have a friend whose father would not serve the family food bought using gambling money.

And just a few years ago, our Education Secretary shunned billions of state-funds because they are coming from gambling. She didn't think it moral and proper to buy books and even build classrooms using the dirty gambling money. [2]

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with it, or you consider these as old-fashioned views?



Sources:
1. https://questionsonislam.com/question/what-gambling-what-view-islam-gambling
2. https://www.philstar.com/other-sections/education-and-home/2016/09/29/1628372/briones-shuns-gambling-money-education
3. https://www.manilatimes.net/2016/10/29/opinion/editorial/pragmatism-morality-classrooms-pagcor-money/293705/



Greed is the root cause of why you gamble in the first place. So the gambling money you won is indeed dirty if your intention or mindset is dirty as well. When you force yourself to do gambling just because you want to earn more and you lack contentment with what you currently earn, then, in my honest and personal opinion, it becomes bad.

Simply put it this way. Consider your family or friends' belief about this and weigh it with what you believe. If you happen to be guilty in using your gambling money to provide for the people you love and care the most, then you can say that gambling money is indeed dirty. It's really just a matter of your own moral as a person.

 
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September 10, 2019, 12:02:43 PM
#38
but they are making an exception when they do have permits, which is funny because that only proves that they can be bought by money.

Anything in this world can be bought legally or illegally,even if you want to hide some part of words in religious books it can be done and future genearations might not know what happened in the past.

When someone doing gambling for addiction then there is no argue against that he need to be stop that but demanding everyone to stop just because people were addicted to it seems unfair.
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September 10, 2019, 11:44:06 AM
#37
Gambling is a worldwide industry, lots of people enjoy gambling. I disagree, I don’t see it as any kind of taboo or terrible thing. People lose money gambling, sure. People win lots too, I don’t feel sorry for people who become addicted to gambling, these kind of people are weak. You are the master of your own life.

Islam and other religions, especially Christians have their own belief about this, maybe you don't believe that it is some kind of taboo or whatever do you think it is but we share different worlds when it comes to religion, it just looks like you are not a dude who believes in God, I assume, though I understand your point. They are just respecting what God's says in the Bible, including gambling is a sin and illegal, even the Government is against gambling, but they are making an exception when they do have permits, which is funny because that only proves that they can be bought by money.
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September 10, 2019, 11:37:12 AM
#36

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with it, or you consider these as old-fashioned views?

Doesnt agree with this but since this is part of Muslims views then i do respect it but overall it doesnt really mind too much on caring about on where those money came from.
Basing on the situation given above on of that Education secretary using up those funds on buying books and building classrooms then i dont see anything wrong with it.
Just to think on where those funds been used for.Lots of children will benefit it and thats what matter the most and i would definitely do the same and not minding that kind of
religious belief.
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September 10, 2019, 10:49:56 AM
#35
This is upto each and every individual users mind, because there are people who have their life completely dependent on the money earned out of gambling. From my view even if someone got lucky to win a lottery, will they not make use of it. So, if we think it is dirty money then it is dirty.
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September 10, 2019, 10:40:19 AM
#34
Perhaps on Islam countries, this would be deemed as dirty money, but when it comes to the rest of the world, gambling money is perfectly fine as long as it's not used in crime or to launder money in any way. People and especially countries have their own moral viewpoint on gambling. For one, it helps create jobs and boost the economy, so why would they say no to something that could literally help them in the long run?
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September 10, 2019, 10:29:13 AM
#33
Most of the things you do for money are gambling in one sense or other. Every business you do have risks involved. Generally higher the risks, higher is your potential profit. Things like insurance decreases the risks you take but also decreases your overall profit.
Illegal money is dirty money. Wining on gambling is a fair way to earn your money.
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September 10, 2019, 10:28:27 AM
#32
Truth is no one will deny that money no matter if its from clean hands or dirty hands.

If some religion forbids some activity we need to research why it happened,if we dig deep the reason is to stop mass people from getting addicted to it and people will only hear if there is some religion bind with it.
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September 10, 2019, 10:04:39 AM
#31
If you gamble always like until you lose all of your money then i think that's bad like dirty because better to enjoy this than think to earn

Then gambling is part of human life in some ways like you will become better person by this and another thing you can use affordable money by this so think always to control yourself like that's the key only then enjoy
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September 10, 2019, 10:21:35 AM
#31
I realized that was indeed wrong. If we look at it from the perspective of each religion, how is gambling wrong and it shouldn't be done. But, if we look at it from a Hobby's point of view, I think it's OK.

Sometimes the circumstances that make us have to force this, If people can only get money from gambling, how? Do we have to ban the person.

So, in this case all future risks and sins are borne by each person. it is someone's decision and right.
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