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Quote from: Darker45 on September 10, 2019, 05:06:16 AM

And just a few years ago, our Education Secretary shunned billions of state-funds because they are coming from gambling. She didn't think it moral and proper to buy books and even build classrooms using the dirty gambling money. ^[2]

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with it, or you consider these as old-fashioned views?

That secretary should be fired, that funds will help a lot of people who need money to buy books to educate young people, I wonder what country is that he has no control on the budget where it will come from the decision is on the president of the senate or the president of the country.

The government needs the money and especially if that government is not a very rich country and cannot support some of the things is people needs, we should be logical on this, but this is different if the country is being governed by religious practice.

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The argument is that you are taking someone else's money (if you win). In gambling, it is not something like you're stealing other people's money. The other party agrees to pay if they lose their bet. I don't think there's something wrong with that if you won fairly. When it comes to remittances to the government, I don't see any difference with taxes coming from other businesses and those coming from casinos or lotteries.

Quote from: robelneo on September 10, 2019, 08:28:14 AM

I can only speak for my views and will not include any religious views on my opinion, we should accept donation even if it's coming from gambling for the simple reason, it can help alleviate the needs and the sufferings of the people.

Just a silly question. What if the beneficiary was also a gambler whose losses contributed to the funds where donation is coming from?

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It is only considered as dirty money if it came from illegal way like money laundering. But gambling legally like in casinos, it helps that country's economy in some way like in our country, a percentage of our lottery's profit helps the poor from their hospital bills.

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I don't consider gambling money as dirty money and that's also the views of our government, in fact here in our country our casinos sponsored a lot of charitable institutions, hospitals and people who are in need, the government is working to get funds to support institutions and people and they have to use casino tax to meet it.

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Gambling money for me isn’t a dirty money, after all it’s hard earned money that gamblers use when gambling but what made it dirty or a bad thing is because of those who can’t control themselves and ended up being addicted to gambling and lose almost everything. Gambling has both advantages and disadvantages like any other things, some may find gambling as a way to relieve from stress, to have fun and forget their worries or problems even for a short time. Some may gamble to make money because it’s the only way for them to a better life. However, gambling isn’t as simple as we think it is, it has the capability to control people mostly weak ones without them realizing it.
When you enter gambling there is a big risk that you’ll become addicted if you don’t have strong self control, thus, if you think you can’t control yourself then better not gamble.

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Quote from: Darker45 on September 10, 2019, 05:06:16 AM

And just a few years ago, our Education Secretary shunned billions of state-funds because they are coming from gambling. She didn't think it moral and proper to buy books and even build classrooms using the dirty gambling money.

I think that even dirty money can serve for a good deed. And I would not say that gambling is dirty money. Otherwise, gambling was banned everywhere and online too.

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Maybe by biblical point of view. Looking at when Jesus Christ scattered the gambling table in the synagogue and the Christian faith then sees it as what is not right for a Christian to do.

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We have different perception regarding gambling and every one of us had a different belief. This is a long debate but if you are going to ask my opinion I did not consider that money that come from gambling is dirty. No is not, and gambling is not a crime. The dirty money that I have ever known are those came from serious crime. That is totally dirty, and there is no reason they did not accept if the donation comes from gambling besides there are many gambling companies that they have their own charity program.

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I think that will be on personal perception because we lived in many countries which have different culture and religion. Maybe that person doesn't want to give food to his family from the gambling, or the church doesn't want to accept donations from gambling. That will be their decision to do that because I think it's related to where we lived. I think it is better to follow what they want and don't against them because that will be a long debate which will waste our time without we can find an agreement between us. Let's them like that, and we can choose where we want to give the money, and we should respect their decision.

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Quote from: Indamuck on September 10, 2019, 08:19:32 AM

This doesn't really make sense to me because isn't everything in life considered a gamble if you break it down.

If you hold US dollars you are gambling that they won't experience mass inflation and devaluation?

If you hold stocks your gambling that there won't be a huge market crash.

If you hold gold your gambling the price won't crash again.

That's how you think if you are a smart person, however, we cannot control the way other people's judgement and normally those people who judge you on what you are doing have no idea about gambling and maybe have no idea of taking risk.

When you are even trying to venture into business, you are already gambling or taking risk, but those who are safely employed will judge you because they are living in their comfort zone but judge people who get out and try to risk their money in business they think they will grow financially and as a person.

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Quote from: Darker45 on September 10, 2019, 05:06:16 AM

This to me is a traditional view which remains persistent until the very day.

My mother considered gambling as playing with money. She sternly reminded us not to gamble. When I was in college, there was a hot debate within the church whether or not to accept donations coming from dirty sources such as gambling. And in Islam, gambling (maysir) is haram (forbidden). ^[1]

I have a friend whose father would not serve the family food bought using gambling money.

And just a few years ago, our Education Secretary shunned billions of state-funds because they are coming from gambling. She didn't think it moral and proper to buy books and even build classrooms using the dirty gambling money. ^[2]

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with it, or you consider these as old-fashioned views?

Sources:
1. https://questionsonislam.com/question/what-gambling-what-view-islam-gambling
2. https://www.philstar.com/other-sections/education-and-home/2016/09/29/1628372/briones-shuns-gambling-money-education
3. https://www.manilatimes.net/2016/10/29/opinion/editorial/pragmatism-morality-classrooms-pagcor-money/293705/

I can only speak for my views and will not include any religious views on my opinion, we should accept donation even if it's coming from gambling for the simple reason, it can help alleviate the needs and the sufferings of the people.

Imagine if they did not accept a donation to buy books when those books can help educate people, or decline donation to buy foods when it can help people to satisfy their hunger, we should think logically and with common sense, again this is my opinion.

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Quote from: Darker45 on September 10, 2019, 05:06:16 AM

This to me is a traditional view which remains persistent until the very day.

My mother considered gambling as playing with money. She sternly reminded us not to gamble. When I was in college, there was a hot debate within the church whether or not to accept donations coming from dirty sources such as gambling. And in Islam, gambling (maysir) is haram (forbidden). ^[1]

I have a friend whose father would not serve the family food bought using gambling money.

And just a few years ago, our Education Secretary shunned billions of state-funds because they are coming from gambling. She didn't think it moral and proper to buy books and even build classrooms using the dirty gambling money. ^[2]

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with it, or you consider these as old-fashioned views?

Sources:
1. https://questionsonislam.com/question/what-gambling-what-view-islam-gambling
2. https://www.philstar.com/other-sections/education-and-home/2016/09/29/1628372/briones-shuns-gambling-money-education
3. https://www.manilatimes.net/2016/10/29/opinion/editorial/pragmatism-morality-classrooms-pagcor-money/293705/

there is a similar thread about this topic. as I said in that thread it will be different with different people since they have different beliefs.
some will consider gambling money to be dirty and some will not and in my views gambling money is not dirty nor illegal.

here is the thread I was talking about.

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 06:13:30 AM

As we know that Gambling is prohibited in certain religions including Islam. If anyone does it, the earned money is not legal and is considered Sin.

But what if someone is promoting a gambling site on social media etc, will the money earned from it be legal provided he will never directly gamble ?

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This doesn't really make sense to me because isn't everything in life considered a gamble if you break it down.

If you hold US dollars you are gambling that they won't experience mass inflation and devaluation?

If you hold stocks your gambling that there won't be a huge market crash.

If you hold gold your gambling the price won't crash again.

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Quote from: Darker45 on September 10, 2019, 05:06:16 AM

And just a few years ago, our Education Secretary shunned billions of state-funds because they are coming from gambling. She didn't think it moral and proper to buy books and even build classrooms using the dirty gambling money.

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with it, or you consider these as old-fashioned views?

That is also what my brother tells me whenever he wins in casinos or any other bet. What he usually does is that, he spends the money as soon as possible, either he will treat the family or purchase a want rather than a need.
Ever since I got that idea from him, whenever I gamble with my friends and win some cash enough to purchase something or treat anyone, I would quickly spend it as if I do not own the money.

I remember my grandfather telling me that the money you win in gambling is a bad omen, which should be spent as soon as possible. Whether or not their claims are true, I just follow them diligently.

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You had mentioned Islam in the OP so I assumed that your a Muslim mate?

If does then everything you said is indeed because I have some Muslim friends as well and thy really consider gambling as bad area to profit and consider winning pot are Dirty money

And also you should have mentioned from what country you from because I am curious about the Secretary of education shunned that big amount for books things that for me is not fair because that is for education and not for foods .org medical health

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Quote from: DarkDays on September 10, 2019, 06:45:31 AM

The term 'dirty money' is usually reserved for money that has been earned or transferred illegally, such as through gang-activity, drug trafficking, extortion etc. Unless gambling is illegal in your country (and it is in some countries), then money earned or lost in gambling cannot be considered 'dirty money.'

Completely agree, gambling cannot be a dirty money if it's accepted in your country.
I know there are religion who prohibits their followers from gambling, maybe we will also consider that but then everyone has different judgement on gambling, if it's based on the definition by law, gambling should be considered illegal first to consider what we earn is a dirty money.

There are countries which ban gambling, especially from muslim countries as it's against in their religion, but in some countries where christians, and other religions are dominant in numbers, gambling is accepted I think.

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The only dirty money is the money coming from criminal activities like CP, drugs, terrorism etc.

Gambling is (mostly) legal worldwide so it is not dirty money. Maybe it is in SA but thanks god the rest of the world don't give a fuck about that religious bullshit.

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Completely and utterly disagree. Firstly, money is money at the end of the day and majority of the world population don't care whether is clean or dirty. Money won or lost through gambling is money. Simple!

Our ancestors used to believe in all sorts of stuff which in no way means that the current generation and the future generations need to do the same. This is a free world people.

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The term 'dirty money' is usually reserved for money that has been earned or transferred illegally, such as through gang-activity, drug trafficking, extortion etc. Unless gambling is illegal in your country (and it is in some countries), then money earned or lost in gambling cannot be considered 'dirty money.'

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We just need to be realistic, gambling is not a dirty money as long as it's not illegal in your country.
People wants to have fun and gambling is just one of the ways to have fun, I am a gambler myself and I really have fun when I'm gambling,
Losing is part of the risk, but with proper control, we won't be losing an amount that we cannot afford to lose.

I think people just need to be educated about gambling for them to appreciate it.
Judging and closing our minds about gambling is a bad idea, the government already accepted gambling is a great source of taxes as they have differentiate between legal and illegal gambling.

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