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Quote from: TimeTeller on September 05, 2022, 10:24:53 AM

Gambling has negative connotation in our community owed to negative impact of it in most gamblers.
It is not a secret to anyone about the influence of gambling to any person especially if he got addicted to it.
So you won't expect anyone to promote gambling if you have the chance not to venture in this habit.
Great if you are just an occasional gambler, but for those addicted, that's when trouble arises.
Gambling problem won't go anywhere, as gambling is already part of human history and I don't think it will be erase soon.

The problem is that the way you understand gambling might not be the way another person understand gambling because I might be a beneficiary to gambling why you are not a beneficiary to gambling because of the method you choose in using gambling, so that is why anyone who is addicted to gambling I don't blame the person because I know that there must be a ssign or a benefit that is attached to it that is making the person to continue playing gambling subsequently and they're influencing others also

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From my personal point of view, problems like gambling addiction cannot be wiped out society completely in a realistic way, that would be too ideal.
Nonetheless, I am pleased to see that these problems are being adressed instead being ignored.

About this plan and concept of self-exclusion, it is something I have seen mentioned in other discussions around here, I think it is a good aproach for those who know they are specially suceptible to gambling addiction or gambling dependence. However, when comes to self-exclusion it is necessary for the person to be aware of the possible problem or someone around the person to be aware of it. After all, one can only tackle a problem if one can see/admit there is a problem.
This a good first step towards preventing people to fall into a serious addiction, those not aware they need self-exclusion will need additional help or measures.

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 05, 2022, 02:36:11 PM

A sad reality that addicted gambler can easily to think about, if he made a self-exclusion to one casino he can quickly create a new account with other casino, that how addiction works, the desire inside you are pushing you to keep playing, even the other side of you is trying to resist but a force inside you will push you to do things that supposedly you are stopping.

In the sense useful, in that particular platform/site we can say it is a yes since you can avoid yourself playing,

but then again, if you can't fight the lust for you, creating a new account and using other platform is always lingering in your ears,
something will bring you back to playing your favorite game or sports to bet on.

I agree I think those who believe that self-exclusion is that effective then I can say, they have to wake up, stand up from their chairs and get out of the house to know more realistic events in life. Those people who are saying that self-exclusion is the way to solve gambling addiction then I think they are wrong. Nothing is much better than to have a therapist aid the gambling addict since they can fully guide the patient to full recovery. Unlike this self-exclusion that has lots of hole.

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Quote from: gagux123 on September 04, 2022, 05:59:25 PM

I confess, this type of article content is something relevant and that it can help many people today...

But I keep asking myself, can a self-exclusion system really be extremely useful today?
Have some types of tests been carried out on this system? Is it really viable?

I am not sure if self-exclusion is really going to work long term. My own experiences with gambling addiction is very limited, I had nights in the past where it was hard to stop but these are very rare and don't continue for several days. What I do know from my own experience is how hard it is to stop smoking. During a day when you feel good it's no problem to control your own actions and stay away from cigarettes. Everything changes when you start drinking some alcohol and are among people who smoke. I think that this is very similar to a gambling addiction, when you are with friends who are talking about gambling or who want to gamble in front of you. Self-exclusion can help in some instances if there is no work around, where people can cheat themselves. The problem is that casinos are so easy to access and even if you try to take yourself out of the equation and press the panic button from your regular casino, so that you can't log in in the next 30 days. You could just make a new account at a different casino.

A sad reality that addicted gambler can easily to think about, if he made a self-exclusion to one casino he can quickly create a new account with other casino, that how addiction works, the desire inside you are pushing you to keep playing, even the other side of you is trying to resist but a force inside you will push you to do things that supposedly you are stopping.

In the sense useful, in that particular platform/site we can say it is a yes since you can avoid yourself playing,

but then again, if you can't fight the lust for you, creating a new account and using other platform is always lingering in your ears,
something will bring you back to playing your favorite game or sports to bet on.

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Quote from: kamvreto on September 04, 2022, 03:49:01 PM

Gambling should stop when it has a negative effect on your life and those around you. Someone who plays gambling only for entertainment and uses the minimum money that has been provided, of course, it will not interfere, but it will also become a habit. Stopping from gambling when you have lost and spent a lot of money is a very unfortunate thing, because when gambling is still winning, it will not cross the mind to stop.
therefore manage your gambling game well, don't be too greedy and continue to gamble. use minimal funds that will not interfere with the needs and lives of you and your family.

in my opinion gambling is not a healthy activity and all the gamblers stop gambling sooner or late.
Gambling in excess is serious trouble. And one should try to avoid it as much possible.

when they are gamblers who are used to it and earn income from gambling, they will find it difficult to stop. Gambling is not a healthy activity, but there must be control for those gamblers who are already professionals. Gambling excessively will have a negative effect and will damage life. if you can avoid it then avoid it, but if you can't avoid it, at least limit it to playing gambling.

Gambling has negative connotation in our community owed to negative impact of it in most gamblers.
It is not a secret to anyone about the influence of gambling to any person especially if he got addicted to it.
So you won't expect anyone to promote gambling if you have the chance not to venture in this habit.
Great if you are just an occasional gambler, but for those addicted, that's when trouble arises.
Gambling problem won't go anywhere, as gambling is already part of human history and I don't think it will be erase soon.

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Quote from: kamvreto on September 04, 2022, 03:49:01 PM

Gambling should stop when it has a negative effect on your life and those around you. Someone who plays gambling only for entertainment and uses the minimum money that has been provided, of course, it will not interfere, but it will also become a habit. Stopping from gambling when you have lost and spent a lot of money is a very unfortunate thing, because when gambling is still winning, it will not cross the mind to stop.
therefore manage your gambling game well, don't be too greedy and continue to gamble. use minimal funds that will not interfere with the needs and lives of you and your family.

in my opinion gambling is not a healthy activity and all the gamblers stop gambling sooner or late.
Gambling in excess is serious trouble. And one should try to avoid it as much possible.

when they are gamblers who are used to it and earn income from gambling, they will find it difficult to stop. Gambling is not a healthy activity, but there must be control for those gamblers who are already professionals. Gambling excessively will have a negative effect and will damage life. if you can avoid it then avoid it, but if you can't avoid it, at least limit it to playing gambling.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 04, 2022, 07:09:39 PM

Quote from: gagux123 on September 04, 2022, 05:59:25 PM

I confess, this type of article content is something relevant and that it can help many people today...

But I keep asking myself, can a self-exclusion system really be extremely useful today?
Have some types of tests been carried out on this system? Is it really viable?

the truth is, at the end of the day, the change still depends on the person's final choice in life. self-exclusion is good but to what extent he will not be tempted in going back? he can easily create a new account and go to another casino if he wants to. for some, it is effective because they have the will to change. but for some, as we have read even in this forum, they are blaming the casino for letting them in even if they sent a self-exclusion request.

This is true. The determination of a gambler to actually change for the better plays a major role in dropping gambling successfully from his system. If the person himself is uncooperative, then he won't succeed in quitting gambling. The help they need should always start from themselves. They must ensure that they are willing to heal from within and not point-fingers. Acknowledgement and acceptance are always the initial steps. The next thing they have to do is to consult a professional and obey their guidance to attain the treatment and healing they need.

If a person fails to do so and just go back to his old habits, it will just be an endless cycle for him. Undergoing relapse is okay as long as you do better next time to do not repeat the same failure. Because no matter how strict the self-exclusion of gambling casinos and websites be, if you are already sober enough and knows what you are doing, it's already on your discretion. The moment you knew you'll keep on coming back, you should do necessary actions aside from relying from self-exclusion programs. Because these casinos can only do so much, but the rest of it is still up to you.

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Quote from: gagux123 on September 04, 2022, 05:59:25 PM

I confess, this type of article content is something relevant and that it can help many people today...

But I keep asking myself, can a self-exclusion system really be extremely useful today?
Have some types of tests been carried out on this system? Is it really viable?

I am not sure if self-exclusion is really going to work long term. My own experiences with gambling addiction is very limited, I had nights in the past where it was hard to stop but these are very rare and don't continue for several days. What I do know from my own experience is how hard it is to stop smoking. During a day when you feel good it's no problem to control your own actions and stay away from cigarettes. Everything changes when you start drinking some alcohol and are among people who smoke. I think that this is very similar to a gambling addiction, when you are with friends who are talking about gambling or who want to gamble in front of you. Self-exclusion can help in some instances if there is no work around, where people can cheat themselves. The problem is that casinos are so easy to access and even if you try to take yourself out of the equation and press the panic button from your regular casino, so that you can't log in in the next 30 days. You could just make a new account at a different casino.

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Quote from: Strongkored on September 05, 2022, 01:29:20 AM

This is just my opinion, I think self-exclusion is not helpful enough for the current era where there are so many online casinos that can be used by people, when they use this feature but when they are tempted to play again they can use another casino.
Didn't find accurate data on this, probably because not many people are willing to admit that they are a gambler.

Quote from: Fatunad on September 04, 2022, 07:59:28 PM

Self exclusion for me is somewhat pointless because it would be still depending on someone whether he would quit up gambling for good willingly but there are some people who do made out such step to exclude out theirselves to addiction via on these ways.Its still relevant or at least its good to see that there are platforms who do still offer these exclusions despite its not been proven out that it could help out those
addicted gamblers out there but i've seen that there are ones who do say at least on using up this feature but we know that quitting gambling do really start
from ones self.

Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 04, 2022, 07:09:39 PM

the truth is, at the end of the day, the change still depends on the person's final choice in life. self-exclusion is good but to what extent he will not be tempted in going back? he can easily create a new account and go to another casino if he wants to. for some, it is effective because they have the will to change. but for some, as we have read even in this forum, they are blaming the casino for letting them in even if they sent a self-exclusion request.

I appreciate your answers guys!

I don't have any relative experience about gambling/betting.

But from what you've said, I imagine this is something similar to a drug user needing to be admitted to rehab.
If the drug addict does not want to improve, he will hardly change his life, because the change must come from himself.

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Quote from: gagux123 on September 04, 2022, 05:59:25 PM

I confess, this type of article content is something relevant and that it can help many people today...

But I keep asking myself, can a self-exclusion system really be extremely useful today?
Have some types of tests been carried out on this system? Is it really viable?

This is just my opinion, I think self-exclusion is not helpful enough for the current era where there are so many online casinos that can be used by people, when they use this feature but when they are tempted to play again they can use another casino.
Didn't find accurate data on this, probably because not many people are willing to admit that they are a gambler.

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Quote from: gagux123 on September 04, 2022, 05:59:25 PM

I confess, this type of article content is something relevant and that it can help many people today...

But I keep asking myself, can a self-exclusion system really be extremely useful today?
Have some types of tests been carried out on this system? Is it really viable?

Self exclusion for me is somewhat pointless because it would be still depending on someone whether he would quit up gambling for good willingly but there are some people who do made out such step to exclude out theirselves to addiction via on these ways.Its still relevant or at least its good to see that there are platforms who do still offer these exclusions despite its not been proven out that it could help out those
addicted gamblers out there but i've seen that there are ones who do say at least on using up this feature but we know that quitting gambling do really start
from ones self.

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Quote from: gagux123 on September 04, 2022, 05:59:25 PM

I confess, this type of article content is something relevant and that it can help many people today...

But I keep asking myself, can a self-exclusion system really be extremely useful today?
Have some types of tests been carried out on this system? Is it really viable?

It's like the forceful help to those that are willing to help themselves as well. But it will still depend on the person that will self-exclude himself.

Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 04, 2022, 07:09:39 PM

the truth is, at the end of the day, the change still depends on the person's final choice in life. self-exclusion is good but to what extent he will not be tempted in going back? he can easily create a new account and go to another casino if he wants to. for some, it is effective because they have the will to change. but for some, as we have read even in this forum, they are blaming the casino for letting them in even if they sent a self-exclusion request.

I agree, I reckon that it's really going to be depending on the will of the gambler. If he uses the self-exclusion and yet goes back from time to time or does something just to gamble again in some other casinos that he's not yet excluded from, then, that's nonsense of using it.

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Quote from: gagux123 on September 04, 2022, 05:59:25 PM

I confess, this type of article content is something relevant and that it can help many people today...

But I keep asking myself, can a self-exclusion system really be extremely useful today?
Have some types of tests been carried out on this system? Is it really viable?

the truth is, at the end of the day, the change still depends on the person's final choice in life. self-exclusion is good but to what extent he will not be tempted in going back? he can easily create a new account and go to another casino if he wants to. for some, it is effective because they have the will to change. but for some, as we have read even in this forum, they are blaming the casino for letting them in even if they sent a self-exclusion request.

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Quote from: doomloop on September 04, 2022, 05:04:40 PM

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Suppose that it was possible to implement the principle disclosed in the "blue paper" and the possibility of blocking access to gambling will be implemented, but what about illegal playgrounds, whose services will undoubtedly be resorted to by a person dependent on gambling?

Blocking access to gambling places whether online or offline is possible and are happening already in fact but indeed that there are still illegal operators that will sprung up but don't worry because authorities are after them. They will still be hunted one by one.

There will also be a penalty for those who will get caught gambling on them. Once they are in jail, they can not play gambling there anymore. It's the same that they are being rehabbed because of gambling addiction. Lots of gamblers are going to be scared because of that fact so they won't attempt to gamble anymore when they know that gambling is restricted on their country.a

Illegal gambling casinos are still a problem even today and most of them are still operating until now and even authorities are hunting them, They still could run illegal casino over and over again by doing clones of the casino until they got caught physically. I think this will be the problem if gambling will become illegal in the whole world.

In my country, The gamblers who are caught in taking part on illegal gambling activity is bailable and the bail amount is low which range from 10$-40$ if caught first time and repeated offenders can go up to $120. It differs from country to country but It will be raised if such global ban happened. Though I think it would be nice to implement that if someone get caught participating on an illegal gambling, they will be required to be evaluated and participate a rehab or a counseling.

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I confess, this type of article content is something relevant and that it can help many people today...

But I keep asking myself, can a self-exclusion system really be extremely useful today?
Have some types of tests been carried out on this system? Is it really viable?

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Quote from: Daltonik on September 04, 2022, 08:00:16 AM

Suppose that it was possible to implement the principle disclosed in the "blue paper" and the possibility of blocking access to gambling will be implemented, but what about illegal playgrounds, whose services will undoubtedly be resorted to by a person dependent on gambling?

Blocking access to gambling places whether online or offline is possible and are happening already in fact but indeed that there are still illegal operators that will sprung up but don't worry because authorities are after them. They will still be hunted one by one.

There will also be a penalty for those who will get caught gambling on them. Once they are in jail, they can not play gambling there anymore. It's the same that they are being rehabbed because of gambling addiction. Lots of gamblers are going to be scared because of that fact so they won't attempt to gamble anymore when they know that gambling is restricted on their country.

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In my opinion, if a person who has a gambling addiction wants to overcome it, he needs to completely limit himself from gambling. Yes, moving to a new place of residence is a good option to solve this problem, but not everyone has the money and desire to do it. It seems to me that you can just limit your social circle and find a hobby that can replace gambling.

While a fresh start is always recommended for those that have become addicted because I'm quite sure there are many places that hold bad memories that they would like to leave behind, at the same time we need to recognize that something like this is not always possible and while it is the optimal move many times it's not realistic to do, and as such people need to deal with the fact that many people are going to know about their past and they are going to judge them even if they have overcome their problems already.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on September 04, 2022, 04:33:46 PM

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 04, 2022, 06:08:47 AM

In my opinion, if a person who has a gambling addiction wants to overcome it, he needs to completely limit himself from gambling. Yes, moving to a new place of residence is a good option to solve this problem, but not everyone has the money and desire to do it. It seems to me that you can just limit your social circle and find a hobby that can replace gambling.

Quitting gambling addiction now is honestly difficult but not impossible. It is difficulty because whether you've got the money to change location or not, technological advancements for example - online casinos and sport bookies has made it difficult to not gamble when you are fighting the addiction because you are literally taking it everywhere you go(your mobile phone). One thing that helps is to change your gambling friends to people involved in other enriching activities.

It gets more difficult because of relapses. People who have regained their control on gambling after having a personal treatment on gambling addiction is still susceptible to relapse. And once it happens, it is way more difficult to treat than the first occurrence of gambling addiction. And I agree, we have to change activities and environment including people. Having an activity that will make us busy and people who won't remind us of gambling activities is really a good start to change our ways and avoid gambling engagement.

As much as possible if you do have history of gambling addiction and have able to completely get rid of it or been treated then you should really be doing your best on avoiding all possible triggers around.
If you do live on a surrounding which is really that prone to gambling activities then it would really be just common sense that you should really be avoiding it so that it wont trigger out that gambling
emotion or intent deep inside of you because being treated on gambling addiction doesnt assure nor mean that you wont be getting addicted once again.Therefore you should
really be that serious on trying to avoid but this is actually that depends on someone because if you are really that serious on quitting gambling or wont be engaging again.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 04, 2022, 06:08:47 AM

In my opinion, if a person who has a gambling addiction wants to overcome it, he needs to completely limit himself from gambling. Yes, moving to a new place of residence is a good option to solve this problem, but not everyone has the money and desire to do it. It seems to me that you can just limit your social circle and find a hobby that can replace gambling.

Quitting gambling addiction now is honestly difficult but not impossible. It is difficulty because whether you've got the money to change location or not, technological advancements for example - online casinos and sport bookies has made it difficult to not gamble when you are fighting the addiction because you are literally taking it everywhere you go(your mobile phone). One thing that helps is to change your gambling friends to people involved in other enriching activities.

It gets more difficult because of relapses. People who have regained their control on gambling after having a personal treatment on gambling addiction is still susceptible to relapse. And once it happens, it is way more difficult to treat than the first occurrence of gambling addiction. And I agree, we have to change activities and environment including people. Having an activity that will make us busy and people who won't remind us of gambling activities is really a good start to change our ways and avoid gambling engagement.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 04, 2022, 06:08:47 AM

In my opinion, if a person who has a gambling addiction wants to overcome it, he needs to completely limit himself from gambling. Yes, moving to a new place of residence is a good option to solve this problem, but not everyone has the money and desire to do it. It seems to me that you can just limit your social circle and find a hobby that can replace gambling.

Quitting gambling addiction now is honestly difficult but not impossible. It is difficulty because whether you've got the money to change location or not, technological advancements for example - online casinos and sport bookies has made it difficult to not gamble when you are fighting the addiction because you are literally taking it everywhere you go(your mobile phone). One thing that helps is to change your gambling friends to people involved in other enriching activities.

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