Self-exclusion still need to another feature, example : Banned his IP, so he can't comeback again to the casino.
Even the user/customer already closed the account the chance he will opening the new account are still higher maybe around 80%. If he not opening new account, most the time he will gamble in other site.
Gambling addiction still a hardest problem need to be cure ~XD
Topic: Gambling Problem, Is it Possible to be a Thing of the Past? - page 9. (Read 1854 times)
It is possible as long as the gamblers are willing to do it. A thing in the past means they won't ever play gambling again right? And this can include thoughts related to gambling, not only the bad ones like thinking about losses but also the good ones like when they win. This one is important because once this crosses their mind, they can overthink it and will attempt to gamble again only because they want to recover their loss or they want to try to win more.
Gambling sites aren't new anymore so even if the tool that this company are making is not yet ready, we can find any other alternatives from the internet, from browser extension to a software/application. There are lot's of them.
Gambling sites aren't new anymore so even if the tool that this company are making is not yet ready, we can find any other alternatives from the internet, from browser extension to a software/application. There are lot's of them.
I think this self-exclusion system is great if
1. The gambler is able to identify that he has a gambling disorder.
2. The gambler with a gambling disorder wanted to treat himself.
3. The gambling addict is aware of the self-exclusion tool.
4. The tool is available where the gambling addict is playing.
5. The addicted gambler has a strong will to follow the self-exclusion procedures.
If either 1 of them is lacking then the tool won't help much. It is always a challenge for a player to declare that he has compulsive gambling let alone knowing that he is already addicted to gambling. That being said, I don't think the gambling problem will cease to exist s long as the gambling industry is around.
1. The gambler is able to identify that he has a gambling disorder.
2. The gambler with a gambling disorder wanted to treat himself.
3. The gambling addict is aware of the self-exclusion tool.
4. The tool is available where the gambling addict is playing.
5. The addicted gambler has a strong will to follow the self-exclusion procedures.
If either 1 of them is lacking then the tool won't help much. It is always a challenge for a player to declare that he has compulsive gambling let alone knowing that he is already addicted to gambling. That being said, I don't think the gambling problem will cease to exist s long as the gambling industry is around.
Great points. I'd only like to add that the system proposed in the article will only work among casinos that agree to use this global self-exclusion. I'm sure there will be a number of sites that won't ant this is going to counteract the initiative. As the gambler that I am, I can bet you that when the gambler self excludes himself and takes a few days off, sleeps on the loss, the next thing he'll do is google sites that don't participate in the global program. Sites where he'll still be able to play.
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The only challenge to this system is that it can be easily circumvented by gambling addict by finding a foreign casino willing to allow the player to gamble. The only solution to this problem is simply by making the self-exclusion global and affecting all available casino can make the system very much harder to circumvent.
Shitty initiative and people who come up with such things have too little intelligence. It's as smart as cutting off your head to fight dandruff. To make some crappy trick for sick people "effective" you want to implement global totalitarianism so that every person and every business (casino) is under control? This is crazy nonsense.
Self exclusion feature is a good thing and casinos must respect and help gamblers in difficult situation to stop playing, but at a global level it's just not feasible. What could exist is a third party service problem gamblers can hire to block the access of their devices to gambling platforms, like that feature from cable television, which allows customers to censor some channels, especially when there are children at home.
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Personal Input:
Having this kind of tool in every online casino is really helpful but the main challenge is the people involved. Are they willing to participate in the program? That is the main issue unless Casino will cooperate and force implement this procedure to their players which is highly unlikely. Aside from that this is still in the experimental stage so it is too early to say that this kind of tool will solve the gambling problem that had been in the industry since the beginning. I think it will help but it won't make the gambling problem a thing of the past. So what do you think about this article's claim?
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Personal Input:
Having this kind of tool in every online casino is really helpful but the main challenge is the people involved. Are they willing to participate in the program? That is the main issue unless Casino will cooperate and force implement this procedure to their players which is highly unlikely. Aside from that this is still in the experimental stage so it is too early to say that this kind of tool will solve the gambling problem that had been in the industry since the beginning. I think it will help but it won't make the gambling problem a thing of the past. So what do you think about this article's claim?
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Gambling addiction is not an easy thing to treat, I have seen a lot of gambling addicts ruin their relationships with their families. there are 3 things that are believed to be able to stop a gambling addict from becoming addicted (1) the most important is self-motivation (2) the role of government (3) the role of the family. Without all three, gamblers who have become addicts will be difficult to treat with any treatment.
Playing gambling does require strong self-control so that problems do not arise after we play gambling. Usually, for the first time we play, the problem doesn't arise but after we play for some time, say a month. Usually, there will be a desire to get bigger wins and if we don't have good self-control, it will lead to destruction in our life.
It sure requires a lot of self-control, I always wonder about those you gamble at a professional level and are not addicted to it. Does it mean that some are folks who are predisposed to gambling addiction and some others not? Is it nature or nurture? Is responsible gambling only defined in terms of people who turn on self-exclusion? How about professional gamblers who have chosen gambling/betting as a career and are not addicted to it. Are they not "responsible gamblers"?
I am doing my daily reading of online news and articles when I stumbled on this one. It has an article title of Casino Guru’s Šimon Vincze on How Problem Gambling Can Become a Thing of the Past So I read and wanted it to share in this forum for some healthy discussion.
Here is the opening paragraph of the article to establish the questions.
The 3 key points that summarize the article:
Digging deeper into what is this Global Self-Exclusion system (GSES) is, I found the pdf of the blue paper. GSES is also deeply explained in this website, Global Self-Exclusion Initiative, with a tagline : "Let’s make online gambling safer, together."
It said that to be able to solve the gambling problem in the gambling industry it needs GSES.
Why the gambling world needs a global self-exclusion scheme?
What Self-Exclusion Is and Why It Is Important
What is self-exclusion?
How does it work?
Why is self-exclusion important?
How would global self-exclusion scheme help?
Personal Input:
Having this kind of tool in every online casino is really helpful but the main challenge is the people involved. Are they willing to participate in the program? That is the main issue unless Casino will cooperate and force implement this procedure to their players which is highly unlikely. Aside from that this is still in the experimental stage so it is too early to say that this kind of tool will solve the gambling problem that had been in the industry since the beginning. I think it will help but it won't make the gambling problem a thing of the past. So what do you think about this article's claim?
Sources:
https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/casino-gurus-simon-vincze-on-how-problem-gambling-can-become-a-thing-of-the-past/
https://casino.guru/global-self-exclusion-initiative
https://casino.guru/global-self-exclusion-initiative/self-exclusion-and-its-importance
Not too long I stumbled on a thread in the forum in which the OP shares about Phil Mickelson huge financial loss to gambling out of addiction which only ended him in a therapy section. Here's is the link to that thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topicHere is the opening paragraph of the article to establish the questions.
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We sit down and speak with Casino Guru’s Šimon Vincze, the man behind the company’s sustainable online gambling and reducing gambling-related harm juggernaut. Vincze most recently published the blue paper for the Global Self-Exclusion Initiative, a massive campaign that intends to tackle problem gambling with the participation of industry stakeholders and build a future where gambling-related harm is no longer an issue. Find out who Vincze is and how he is reshaping the industry.
More detail can be read on the link above.The 3 key points that summarize the article:
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The gambling industry is missing a system with the possibility to self-exclude internationally.
Thanks to our global presence and active approach toward sustainable online gambling, we saw a gap in the current self-exclusion options, practically overseen by the rest of the industry.
Read the blue paper and dedicate a few minutes of your time to imagining a world where blocking one's access to all gambling opportunities is a possibility. "
Thanks to our global presence and active approach toward sustainable online gambling, we saw a gap in the current self-exclusion options, practically overseen by the rest of the industry.
Read the blue paper and dedicate a few minutes of your time to imagining a world where blocking one's access to all gambling opportunities is a possibility. "
Digging deeper into what is this Global Self-Exclusion system (GSES) is, I found the pdf of the blue paper. GSES is also deeply explained in this website, Global Self-Exclusion Initiative, with a tagline : "Let’s make online gambling safer, together."
It said that to be able to solve the gambling problem in the gambling industry it needs GSES.
Why the gambling world needs a global self-exclusion scheme?
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Present self-exclusion options can be circumvented
Operator-level and nation-wide self-exclusion do not create an effective barrier that stops problem gamblers from playing. Players can avoid them by gambling at other sites, or even opting for unlicensed operators and ending up playing at objectively worse gambling websites.
Operator-level and nation-wide self-exclusion do not create an effective barrier that stops problem gamblers from playing. Players can avoid them by gambling at other sites, or even opting for unlicensed operators and ending up playing at objectively worse gambling websites.
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Regulators and operators do not work together on a global level
National schemes do not work together on a global level or let foreign operators take part. Even if they wanted to, the rigid rules individual entities have to follow do not allow them to team up to better protect players.
National schemes do not work together on a global level or let foreign operators take part. Even if they wanted to, the rigid rules individual entities have to follow do not allow them to team up to better protect players.
What Self-Exclusion Is and Why It Is Important
What is self-exclusion?
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Self-exclusion is a responsible gambling feature available to people playing in casinos or partaking in other gambling activities that allows players to block themselves from gambling for a certain period of time.
How does it work?
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Players can usually self-exclude from an individual casino in one of two ways:
Turning on self-exclusion by themselves, in the ‘responsible gambling’ section of the casino website. This usually involves choosing the desired duration of self-exclusion, but some casinos also ask about the reasons why the player wishes to use this feature.
Messaging customer support via live chat or e-mail. Some casino websites don’t support a feature that would allow players to turn on self-exclusion themselves. Instead, they need to message customer support and ask them to turn on self-exclusion for them.
Turning on self-exclusion by themselves, in the ‘responsible gambling’ section of the casino website. This usually involves choosing the desired duration of self-exclusion, but some casinos also ask about the reasons why the player wishes to use this feature.
Messaging customer support via live chat or e-mail. Some casino websites don’t support a feature that would allow players to turn on self-exclusion themselves. Instead, they need to message customer support and ask them to turn on self-exclusion for them.
Why is self-exclusion important?
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The importance of self-exclusion has a lot to do with reasons why players use it. While these can be very diverse, a considerable proportion of players resort to self-exclusion because they struggle to keep their problematic gambling habits under control.
How would global self-exclusion scheme help?
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Overcoming gambling addiction requires major commitment and often also professional help, but self-exclusion can make the process at least a bit easier and more effective.
The only challenge to this system is that it can be easily circumvented by gambling addict by finding a foreign casino willing to allow the player to gamble. The only solution to this problem is simply by making the self-exclusion global and affecting all available casino can make the system very much harder to circumvent.Personal Input:
Having this kind of tool in every online casino is really helpful but the main challenge is the people involved. Are they willing to participate in the program? That is the main issue unless Casino will cooperate and force implement this procedure to their players which is highly unlikely. Aside from that this is still in the experimental stage so it is too early to say that this kind of tool will solve the gambling problem that had been in the industry since the beginning. I think it will help but it won't make the gambling problem a thing of the past. So what do you think about this article's claim?
Sources:
https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/casino-gurus-simon-vincze-on-how-problem-gambling-can-become-a-thing-of-the-past/
https://casino.guru/global-self-exclusion-initiative
https://casino.guru/global-self-exclusion-initiative/self-exclusion-and-its-importance
Reading through this particular thread about the introduction of self-exclusion program about the possibility of it's implementation into casinos and other gambling sites a thought came to mind:
1) if such program was already existing in casinos and other gambling sites globally, perhaps it would have saved Phil Mickelson from the five years of huge financial loss
2) it would have saved him from any health hazard or frustration he might be going through that he has to go for a therapy.
So with such program implemented it's really going to be helpful for many gamblers will know when to apply some breaks. And certain mistakes of the past can perhaps be avoided.
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An addict can self-exclude from a site, but then continue to use another gambling site. It is possible that self-exclusion can help to some extent though, but there are more to do in a way to restrict yourself from addictive gambling.it’s not very easy to control yourself from gambling, because there are many distractions to get through. It's similar to an addiction really and must be treated with care and recognising that this is a problem before it gets out of hand
Self-exclusion can only be a temporary solution but it cannot cure or eliminate gambling addiction. If a person's gambling addiction is worst, apps or features like this won't work anymore. A person will always have the urge to look for gambling alternatives so professional help is something that he should seek. Self-exclusion can control us from too much gambling but the discipline must also start within us.
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The only challenge to this system is that it can be easily circumvented by gambling addict by finding a foreign casino willing to allow the player to gamble. The only solution to this problem is simply by making the self-exclusion global and affecting all available casino can make the system very much harder to circumvent.
Shitty initiative and people who come up with such things have too little intelligence. It's as smart as cutting off your head to fight dandruff. To make some crappy trick for sick people "effective" you want to implement global totalitarianism so that every person and every business (casino) is under control? This is crazy nonsense.
Self-exclusion is a very good idea but it cannot totally eradicate the issue of gambling addiction. It would take self-discipline to engage in self-exclusion and many people cannot control themselves. In my country every pack of cigarette has a drawing of an unhealthy kidney devastated by cigarette and "smokers are liable to die young" written in them. Yet people still engage in heavy smoking. Gambling for entertainment rather than for profit making would reduce addiction. I think the best option is counselling of gamble addicts and giving them practical steps of how to be free from gambling addiction. It has been discovered that underage gamblers are easily addicted to the game. Hence more effort should be made to discourage and restrict underage people from gambling.
I think every casino has a self exclusion and gamble responsibly program. And so this is global per se, it's just the question if this is being implement or not. Is the casino able to block the person if he can control it and slip and try to gamble again?
And the gamblers has also the responsibility to inform the gambling platform specially if you break it. So again, it boils down to both parties, and take reasonable steps to prevent this gambling problem not only for the individual, but for others as well.
And the gamblers has also the responsibility to inform the gambling platform specially if you break it. So again, it boils down to both parties, and take reasonable steps to prevent this gambling problem not only for the individual, but for others as well.
I agree.
Gambling addiction couldn't be prevented by someone or something just by putting a self inclusion or anything that will restraint someone to gamble if he is a gambling addict. Gambling addiction is a choice, they know it from the start that they will come to a certain point where they can't help themselves but to keep on playing gambling even though they wasted all of their money on gambling sites, with an enormous amount of debt to someone just to continue their addiction.
Gambling addiction could only be treated when that person is willing to accept the help from others and is dedicated to be cured.
Playing gambling does require strong self-control so that problems do not arise after we play gambling. Usually, for the first time we play, the problem doesn't arise but after we play for some time, say a month. Usually, there will be a desire to get bigger wins and if we don't have good self-control, it will lead to destruction in our life.
Another problem that arises from gambling is the problem of gambling addiction which will become uncontrollable and is also one of the causes of destruction in our lives. If we have good self-control, we can prevent these problems from arising and enjoy gambling as a means of getting pleasure.
Another problem that arises from gambling is the problem of gambling addiction which will become uncontrollable and is also one of the causes of destruction in our lives. If we have good self-control, we can prevent these problems from arising and enjoy gambling as a means of getting pleasure.
An addict can self-exclude from a site, but then continue to use another gambling site. It is possible that self-exclusion can help to some extent though, but there are more to do in a way to restrict yourself from addictive gambling.it’s not very easy to control yourself from gambling, because there are many distractions to get through. It's similar to an addiction really and must be treated with care and recognising that this is a problem before it gets out of hand.
Yeah! it will result in something worse when they let it slide without looking for a cure the moment they felt it. But the addict himself won't really feel anything because of his delusion. that's why the people around him should consider helping him if they truly love him because prevention is always better than cure. Some addictions can be cured the moment they start to feel something strange for the first time and quickly seek some advice and consult others about their current situation and some others will turn into a worse situation due to a lack of consultants or they are a lone wolf and no one with them to talk to.
An addict can self-exclude from a site, but then continue to use another gambling site.
If this is the case the gambling addict is just fooling himself and the people around him. Probably to make other think that he is trying to treat himself of addiction but deep inside he isn't serious at all.
It is possible that self-exclusion can help to some extent though, but there are more to do in a way to restrict yourself from addictive gambling.
Self-exclusion can help greatly if the desire of the one involved is to make himself treated for addiction. I agree, that there is more than having a tool available in the casino. It needs one's perseverance, strong discipline, and self-respect to be able to restrict oneself from gambling.
it’s not very easy to control yourself from gambling, because there are many distractions to get through. It's similar to an addiction really and must be treated with care and recognising that this is a problem before it gets out of hand.
If treating addiction can't be helped by doing it through self-exclusion, I think the person should look for medical experts and psychologists in gambling addiction.
An addict can self-exclude from a site, but then continue to use another gambling site. It is possible that self-exclusion can help to some extent though, but there are more to do in a way to restrict yourself from addictive gambling.it’s not very easy to control yourself from gambling, because there are many distractions to get through. It's similar to an addiction really and must be treated with care and recognising that this is a problem before it gets out of hand.
I think this self-exclusion system is great if
1. The gambler is able to identify that he has a gambling disorder.
2. The gambler with a gambling disorder wanted to treat himself.
3. The gambling addict is aware of the self-exclusion tool.
4. The tool is available where the gambling addict is playing.
5. The addicted gambler has a strong will to follow the self-exclusion procedures.
If either 1 of them is lacking then the tool won't help much. It is always a challenge for a player to declare that he has compulsive gambling let alone knowing that he is already addicted to gambling. That being said, I don't think the gambling problem will cease to exist s long as the gambling industry is around.
1. The gambler is able to identify that he has a gambling disorder.
2. The gambler with a gambling disorder wanted to treat himself.
3. The gambling addict is aware of the self-exclusion tool.
4. The tool is available where the gambling addict is playing.
5. The addicted gambler has a strong will to follow the self-exclusion procedures.
If either 1 of them is lacking then the tool won't help much. It is always a challenge for a player to declare that he has compulsive gambling let alone knowing that he is already addicted to gambling. That being said, I don't think the gambling problem will cease to exist s long as the gambling industry is around.
Self-exclusion has its limits. Professional intervention is still the way to go if you want to make sure that you will be set free from the constraints of gambling. Just look around on some of the threads in this forum. Lots of platforms have weak self-exclusion programs which still, in the end, forces the user to play after being exposed to promotional material from the platform. Gambling addiction/problem will never be fully resolved as people will always lead themselves to destruction by being complete degenerates to satiate their desires.
We are the ones who do have need to control because if those intents in mind would really be still there then its really impossible for you to quit gambling for good and making yourself exclude out of addiction.Those self-exclusion or even professional help or treatment would be all useless if you do make yourself not able to control your intent or attention towards gambling.
You should really be having that good control so that you would be finding yourself to be safe out for possible problems or headaches.
We have to understand addiction to anything including gambling in this case as a challenge and not an international behavior that someone can just walk out from by self excluding himself. Even where a gambling casino bars an addict from playing in their team and condition, such person will find means to satisfy that urge. Addiction is an urge and like most addiction, people need help and if they don't get such appropriate help and able to go away from it, they die from such addition example drug dealing. Gambling addiction need help because when you don't do things in moderation, you are obviously abusing that thing. An addict may not be able to self exclude by themselves alone.
Anyone really beleive that self exclusion feature on a casino can stop a person from all his gambling activities? I don't think so because its simple they can go to other casino and start doing the same when their urge hits them
An addict will not even see the function useful because they have urge to gamble more, only what an addict can do is to increase the amount he his using to stake or that he is using monthly to stake. A gambler that is able to use self-exclusion would be able to do away with gambling without even using self-exclusion at all, but a gambler that can not do away with gambling will not be able to use self-exclusion at all, it will be useless in this later case. 
Anyone really beleive that self exclusion feature on a casino can stop a person from all his gambling activities? I don't think so because its simple they can go to other casino and start doing the same when their urge hits them so the real solution is self realisation not the exclusion, if someone capable of realizing they are going over their limits then certainly they can stop it as well so what is really needed is education and clear knowledge about what an addiction leads to not just about the gambling alone we have lot others and the root cause can be without knowing the circumstances and where it will leads to.
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