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Quote from: coin-investor on June 17, 2022, 08:51:03 AM

Quote from: Wiwo on June 17, 2022, 02:41:28 AM

Gambling has been an ancient practice and most gamblers see it as a mean of making income even the addicts get addicted by trying to recover from previous losses or make more profits, the demand for gambling can never stop but the fact is with a personal withdrawal mindset a gambler can set a limit to the involvement until their break away from the chain. I don't know how effective self-exclusion is but I can tell you it is not the most effective way to handle a gambling disorder.

People are not robots that you can just feed something and he will just follow it, gambling has been attached to us since time immemorial it is part of our system, no system can change how we behave in gambling, even in countries where gambling is very strict, people will find a way to gamble, this global self-exclusione
ewill not work, not because it is not effective, gamblers and the majority of casino operators will not support it, casinos are profit-driven they want to people to gamble as long as they want.

are you aware that some of misunderstood the language gamble or gambling. When you go deep about gambling you will know without time wasted that gambling is any thing you placed in exchange of another thing due to controversial argument or argument of two person making a findings. Casino gamble and other games are not the necessary form or where gambling originated, it's exactly what i said from above or point out is what you can be put as gambling initiators. All this things now is just the modern kinds of gambling

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Self exclusion globally sounds like you are puttng yourself in prison. I know it will help but this would mean all the casino will have acess to same database of all casino online gamblers. I couldn't imagine how else this could this be done but this.

One reason why we go to Bitcoin Casino is to avoid KYC, this self exclusion will not apply for these people.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 17, 2022, 09:36:35 AM

Quote from: Wiwo on June 17, 2022, 02:41:28 AM

Gambling has been an ancient practice and most gamblers see it as a mean of making income even the addicts get addicted by trying to recover from previous losses or make more profits, the demand for gambling can never stop but the fact is with a personal withdrawal mindset a gambler can set a limit to the involvement until their break away from the chain. I don't know how effective self-exclusion is but I can tell you it is not the most effective way to handle a gambling disorder.

Some betting site provide their customers with limiting monthly betting amount, self-exclusion and some others ways they think there customers can limit and stay away from gambling, but they are just there and not effective. You will not find it as a surprise that such things can easily be changed and reversed, if it can not easily be changed, there are other betting platforms to use. We should not deceive ourselves, self-exclusion is not effective at all. Gambling problem comes from within how addicts are thinking and how they are risking money, so the solution also will only comes from within and when they realize that gambling is not helping as they thought. I mean within because stopping addiction should be from oneself but the influence of environment like family and therapist can help.

The sole responsibility is on the gambler to make a self determination to stop gambling and breaking away from that chain of addiction, because no matter what options or features to minimize gambling a casino come up with, the gambler can easily beat that by checking out to other sites if the present one limit their gambling involvement. But with self determination one can get out of this evils habits that sometime end people life if not checked.

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Quote from: yazher on June 16, 2022, 09:37:28 AM

Quote from: Ulven on June 16, 2022, 08:40:01 AM

An addict can self-exclude from a site, but then continue to use another gambling site. It is possible that self-exclusion can help to some extent though, but there are more to do in a way to restrict yourself from addictive gambling.it’s not very easy to control yourself from gambling, because there are many distractions to get through. It's similar to an addiction really and must be treated with care and recognising that this is a problem before it gets out of hand.

Yeah! it will result in something worse when they let it slide without looking for a cure the moment they felt it. But the addict himself won't really feel anything because of his delusion. that's why the people around him should consider helping him if they truly love him because prevention is always better than cure. Some addictions can be cured the moment they start to feel something strange for the first time and quickly seek some advice and consult others about their current situation and some others will turn into a worse situation due to a lack of consultants or they are a lone wolf and no one with them to talk to.

This is the reason why if we play gambling make sure we is ready for the consequence we might face on this game because we know how can gambling get too much addiction to other people because of the satisfaction it gives for the entertainment at the same time is the satisfaction it gives to the money we get once we won the game. Always make sure you are still aware to the things you are doing. Dont hesitate to seek some assistance to your friends and family if you think you are already in there and hard to give up.

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Quote from: virasisog on June 17, 2022, 09:23:55 AM

A simple tool or feature can't make a gambler stop from gambling. It can serve as a guide but it couldn't decide for the gambler. Gambling is everywhere and once a gambler is too addicted to it, he will always find ways to gamble. If there are casino sites that would limit him from playing, I'm sure that he will look for alternatives. The self-exclusion feature can remind him if he exceeds his limit but things will still depend on his own will.

This is what dopamine does to your brain and your habits. It hardwires your brain into associating gambling with pleasure, hence you feel that 'satisfaction' whenever you find yourself gambling away your money (sometimes not even your money lol). Self-exclusion only restricts you from one place, but that does not guarantee that you're also excluded on other platforms. It is a step towards the right direction, but certainly not enough to help the gambler get back on his/her feet and turn their backs from gambling for good.

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Quote from: Wiwo on June 17, 2022, 02:41:28 AM

Gambling has been an ancient practice and most gamblers see it as a mean of making income even the addicts get addicted by trying to recover from previous losses or make more profits, the demand for gambling can never stop but the fact is with a personal withdrawal mindset a gambler can set a limit to the involvement until their break away from the chain. I don't know how effective self-exclusion is but I can tell you it is not the most effective way to handle a gambling disorder.

Some betting site provide their customers with limiting monthly betting amount, self-exclusion and some others ways they think there customers can limit and stay away from gambling, but they are just there and not effective. You will not find it as a surprise that such things can easily be changed and reversed, if it can not easily be changed, there are other betting platforms to use. We should not deceive ourselves, self-exclusion is not effective at all. Gambling problem comes from within how addicts are thinking and how they are risking money, so the solution also will only comes from within and when they realize that gambling is not helping as they thought. I mean within because stopping addiction should be from oneself but the influence of environment like family and therapist can help.

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Quote from: coin-investor on June 17, 2022, 08:51:03 AM

Quote from: Wiwo on June 17, 2022, 02:41:28 AM

Gambling has been an ancient practice and most gamblers see it as a mean of making income even the addicts get addicted by trying to recover from previous losses or make more profits, the demand for gambling can never stop but the fact is with a personal withdrawal mindset a gambler can set a limit to the involvement until their break away from the chain. I don't know how effective self-exclusion is but I can tell you it is not the most effective way to handle a gambling disorder.

People are not robots that you can just feed something and he will just follow it, gambling has been attached to us since time immemorial it is part of our system, no system can change how we behave in gambling, even in countries where gambling is very strict, people will find a way to gamble, this global self-exclusion will not work, not because it is not effective, gamblers and the majority of casino operators will not support it, casinos are profit-driven they want to people to gamble as long as they want.

A simple tool or feature can't make a gambler stop from gambling. It can serve as a guide but it couldn't decide for the gambler. Gambling is everywhere and once a gambler is too addicted to it, he will always find ways to gamble. If there are casino sites that would limit him from playing, I'm sure that he will look for alternatives. The self-exclusion feature can remind him if he exceeds his limit but things will still depend on his own will.

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Quote from: Wiwo on June 17, 2022, 02:41:28 AM

Gambling has been an ancient practice and most gamblers see it as a mean of making income even the addicts get addicted by trying to recover from previous losses or make more profits, the demand for gambling can never stop but the fact is with a personal withdrawal mindset a gambler can set a limit to the involvement until their break away from the chain. I don't know how effective self-exclusion is but I can tell you it is not the most effective way to handle a gambling disorder.

People are not robots that you can just feed something and he will just follow it, gambling has been attached to us since time immemorial it is part of our system, no system can change how we behave in gambling, even in countries where gambling is very strict, people will find a way to gamble, this global self-exclusion will not work, not because it is not effective, gamblers and the majority of casino operators will not support it, casinos are profit-driven they want to people to gamble as long as they want.

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Quote from: LodisMcguire on June 17, 2022, 04:03:17 AM

Self-exclusion feature? That's just a formality to make a good reputation for the casino.It just like telling an addicted gambler to "stop gambilng" and fell to deaf ear.If they are serious,they can just banned the gambler account for like 1-2 weeks and said it's for the prevention of addiction.

But it could be a new program implemented in the casino. But as for the application, I don't think it will be easy because as you said, it will not make addicted gamblers stop as easy as they would like. But the question is how the casino will know if a gambler is addicted because if you look at the time spent, many other gamblers also spend a lot of time playing gambling. Maybe we're better off waiting for the latest updates from those who've tried using it so we can know what's going on.

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Quote from: bitbollo on June 17, 2022, 04:19:22 AM

I am afraid that although there is such a possibility (global self exclusion) player addcited will always find a way to get around this limit (likewise betting with other account) or worse still by using sites of dubious reputation that do not use this type of approach .

I think bookmakers should have a certain approach too. Identify risk thresholds and offer / help players with this issue.

Gambling operators are thriving on gambler's needs and want, no serious gamblers would want to be restricted on how they play and how many hours they should be allocated with their gambling sessions, even if this is universally implemented gamblers will find a way, and casinos will give them what they want so expect casinos that will cater to people who do not want to be restricted, casinos existence very much depends on the support of gamblers.

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I am afraid that although there is such a possibility (global self exclusion) player addcited will always find a way to get around this limit (likewise betting with other account) or worse still by using sites of dubious reputation that do not use this type of approach .

I think bookmakers should have a certain approach too. Identify risk thresholds and offer / help players with this issue.

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Self-exclusion feature? That's just a formality to make a good reputation for the casino.It just like telling an addicted gambler to "stop gambilng" and fell to deaf ear.If they are serious,they can just banned the gambler account for like 1-2 weeks and said it's for the prevention of addiction.

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Gambling has been an ancient practice and most gamblers see it as a mean of making income even the addicts get addicted by trying to recover from previous losses or make more profits, the demand for gambling can never stop but the fact is with a personal withdrawal mindset a gambler can set a limit to the involvement until their break away from the chain. I don't know how effective self-exclusion is but I can tell you it is not the most effective way to handle a gambling disorder.

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A Global Self-Exclusion system will only help with casinos that are regulated. The regulated casinos will ask for KYC details and if the personal details of that person is on that database, the gambler will not be able to signup at the new casino.

The problem is .... a lot of casinos are not regulated, so they will not be able to get to that information ..so they will simply allow players to register ...without blocking people that are on the global self-exclusion system.

Some casinos are just focused on profits, so they could care less if people have gambling problems. You even find that some regulated casinos will still send marketing emails to people on their self-exclusion database. Roll Eyes

A lot of gambling addicts will use fake ID's and documents to circumvent their own "Self exclusion" arrangements. Shocked

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on June 15, 2022, 04:55:58 AM

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Having this kind of tool in every online casino is really helpful but the main challenge is the people involved. Are they willing to participate in the program? That is the main issue unless Casino will cooperate and force implement this procedure to their players which is highly unlikely. Aside from that this is still in the experimental stage so it is too early to say that this kind of tool will solve the gambling problem that had been in the industry since the beginning. I think it will help but it won't make the gambling problem a thing of the past. So what do you think about this article's claim?

Personally, regardless if there's a self-exclusion or not, gamblers will always be gamblers. The only effective tool to deal with gambling problems is ourselves. People need to fight the temptation as even though there's a self-exclusion feature, there are other ways to get back at gambling at all costs.

I remember a thread complaining about a gambling site where even after using the self-exclusion feature, there are still lots of promotional emails that the person is receiving after. The user totally disappointed at that site because the person is currently on-going in a recovery period and working in the process of staying away from gambling.

It makes sense to complain since that should work but honestly, if that user is really serious, there are other ways to get rid of those promotional emails coming from that site. Aside from that, it's not the main problem as even that person excludes themselves from the site, gambling-related stuff is just around the corner even just by doing a simple walk and watching TV.

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Quote from: Markinzo on June 16, 2022, 11:54:42 AM

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Online casinos never check the condition of their users because no technology can detect users who visit the casino. Currently, a self-exclusion tool may not be available on the casino site because it is not yet supported by technology, as I said earlier. But if gamblers can use the programs, it might help them reduce their time and money to play gambling. But it also depends on how the gambler reacts because we know that if someone is addicted to gambling, he will not necessarily tell others.

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A feature could be built into open source browsers like firefox which would block gambling websites. It could be done with browser user extensions. A list of gambling websites could be actively maintained which the extension would block from loading.

The only question is what would the unblock process look like. And whether people would voluntarily choose to subject themselves to it, if they acknowledge they have legitimate gambling issues.

A similar extension could be created to block porn websites for those who voluntarily acknowledge they have an addiction to porn that is unhealthy.

These types of concepts are old school. People had these debates back when google search results revealed 7 year olds actively watching porn on the internet around 15 years ago. Censorship and blocking of content is a very old debate.

Centralization vs decentralization being an active discussion atm. Perhaps the structuring of these types of programs would be interesting to some.

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Quote from: Markinzo on June 16, 2022, 11:54:42 AM

1) if such program was already existing in casinos and other gambling sites globally, perhaps it would have saved Phil Mickelson from the five years of huge financial loss
2) it would have saved him from any health hazard or frustration he might be going through that he has to go for a therapy.

The if statement is still conditional. He would have gone self-exclusion if...
1. He knows that he is already a compulsive gambler.
2. He wanted to treat his addiction
3. He is very very serious to treat his addiction.
Even with the self-exclusion tools being present if he failed to identify that he is a gambling addict and in need of treatment then it won't help anything. Aside from that if he is dead serious about treating his addiction, he could have looked for a medical expert on addiction to cure his gambling problem.

Quote from: Markinzo on June 16, 2022, 11:54:42 AM

So with such program implemented it's really going to be helpful for many gamblers will know when to apply some breaks. And certain mistakes of the past can perhaps be avoided.

Even with the presence of this tool, I don't think there will be any difference since the online casino today never checks their user's gambling conditions. In our experience in online Casino, had we ever received a message that the self-exclusion tool is available on the site? I bet no.

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Quote from: avikz on June 15, 2022, 06:58:07 AM

Self exclusion can become useless for couple of reasons -
1. It all starts with oir willingness. If a gambler has a strong mind, he will be able to self exclude himself from gambling for as long as he wants. It all starts with us. Think about cigarette addiction. Unless the addicted person is willing to take action, nothing really happens.

2. There are multiple gambling websites available, including unlicensed ones. So even if someone has a strong mind to self exclude him from gambling for a specific period of time, it will be pretty easy for him to come back to gambling through another website.

Addiction can be treated through regular counseling. No measure of exclusion will work unless it is a forced one.

In the first point that you raised, being aware with one's addiction is the key to combat it in the first place. Like any other addiction, it is essential that you aware that you are definitely addicted to something. Now after you realize it, the next step is crucial- you are aware but are you willing to take action? If you see nothing wrong with your actions despite being aware, then the gambler would most likely stay in this kind of trap.

In the second point that you raised, I do agree with you. It helps that if a person wants to exclude himself from any addiction completely, it is better that he/she avoids all the signs that he sees that one might be tempted to gamble again.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on June 16, 2022, 03:42:54 PM

Self-exclusion still need to another feature, example : Banned his IP, so he can't comeback again to the casino.

Even the user/customer already closed the account the chance he will opening the new account are still higher maybe around 80%. If he not opening new account, most the time he will gamble in other site.

Gambling addiction still a hardest problem need to be cure ~XD

Because this problem depends entirely on the person himself. Whatever the site or other people will do, it won't matter if the person himself don't have the motivation to change for the betterment of his life. This will always be a problem in this industry. Because there are people who won't change their perspectives in life.

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