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In my opinion, if a person who has a gambling addiction wants to overcome it, he needs to completely limit himself from gambling. Yes, moving to a new place of residence is a good option to solve this problem, but not everyone has the money and desire to do it. It seems to me that you can just limit your social circle and find a hobby that can replace gambling.

That's a good option but difficult for active gamblers to do. The gamblers' repentance comes when they experience defeat and there is a desire to stop completely but when they start holding money again they will return to gambling and this is a fact even I experienced the same thing. The urge to quit is a bit difficult if we still have a gambling mind in our body. Maybe some of them who managed to quit completely are the support of their families or wives where the family takes them to rehab and isolated from the scope for a few months or it can take a year and if this is successful then a gambler can quit completely.

Gambling should stop when it has a negative effect on your life and those around you. Someone who plays gambling only for entertainment and uses the minimum money that has been provided, of course, it will not interfere, but it will also become a habit. Stopping from gambling when you have lost and spent a lot of money is a very unfortunate thing, because when gambling is still winning, it will not cross the mind to stop.
therefore manage your gambling game well, don't be too greedy and continue to gamble. use minimal funds that will not interfere with the needs and lives of you and your family.

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Quote from: Daltonik on September 04, 2022, 08:00:16 AM

Suppose that it was possible to implement the principle disclosed in the "blue paper" and the possibility of blocking access to gambling will be implemented, but what about illegal playgrounds, whose services will undoubtedly be resorted to by a person dependent on gambling?

This will be a hard task. I guess this is up to the affected individual on whether he/she would still go out of their own way to look for gambling platforms that isn't covered by the exclusion. You can raise the concern to the managing body of this program to seek illegal platforms, but without legal grounds/basis and backing, they will never even try to lift a finger against these illegal platforms. In the end, the affected individual—the gambling addict—will have to avoid the urge to gamble at all cost.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 04, 2022, 06:08:47 AM

Quote from: icalical on September 04, 2022, 04:55:44 AM

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In my opinion, if a person who has a gambling addiction wants to overcome it, he needs to completely limit himself from gambling. Yes, moving to a new place of residence is a good option to solve this problem, but not everyone has the money and desire to do it. It seems to me that you can just limit your social circle and find a hobby that can replace gambling.

That's a good option but difficult for active gamblers to do. The gamblers' repentance comes when they experience defeat and there is a desire to stop completely but when they start holding money again they will return to gambling and this is a fact even I experienced the same thing. The urge to quit is a bit difficult if we still have a gambling mind in our body. Maybe some of them who managed to quit completely are the support of their families or wives where the family takes them to rehab and isolated from the scope for a few months or it can take a year and if this is successful then a gambler can quit completely.

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Quote from: Fortify on September 04, 2022, 03:55:31 AM

To me it seems that while self exclusion is an important tool for that initial stage of trying to break the habit of using your regular and favorite gambling sites, some deeper changes must take place to the individual for them to be free of the addiction. People often stray into gambling because of boredom or wishing for a financial improvement, but they end up trapped in a vicious cycle. It is better to address the points that led you into gambling in the first place, often getting a better paid or more fulfilling job can free you of many burdens. Finding different hobbies or activities to fill your spare time is also critical because you'll need to find something else, hopefully more productive, to do.

Finding a better paying job might not only gambling problem but it will solve half of everyone problem, but to expect that everyone can get a decent salary is a little bit utopic. And most of the people who has gambling problem is the one who was unable to get a good job in the first place, often because they lack of skills and they can't get any opportunity. So, I think the more possible to left gambling is just to move to another place where you can start a new life, meet new people that does not do gambling and even to the extreme measure, moving to a place where gambling is completely illegal and banned.

Both of you made a point here, excluding yourself to gambling is the best thing that anyone who have this problem should do, no one can help you aside from your own self, it's important to work with your problem with a self-will and if possible seek for assistance from your love ones, they can guide you on the things that you should do for you to be able to completely move away from gambling.

if it's possible, moving away far from any gambling activities should be your goal. If you can find a place where gambling is not active or a place where you can divert your attention to another activities that will help you to stay away.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on September 04, 2022, 01:23:34 PM

The main points that I could infer from this thread are the addiction to casinos and how to curb them. This is good because many people are facing gambling addictions and more controlling features are still needed. I mean the strict one that all gambling companies will strictly adhere to.

The only flaw I can see on the main point of this thread - self-exclusion - is the willingness of the subject to undergo such changes. Since self-exclusion is a voluntary withdrawal of self from gambling activities, majority of the possible problem gambler failed to do it since once addicted to gambling, the uncontrollable urge is already there. This self-exclusion is effective to people who have the discipline that they can notice changes within themselves. But sadly majority who fall under addiction never noticed anything until they are already hooked and trapped in a loop of gambling urges.

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on September 04, 2022, 01:23:34 PM

I know what people would be facing when they are addicted, if a good control feature is there, it might help to minimize the harm that could be done, but no self-exclusion feature and others can end the addiction completely except the players themselves.
I have seen a player that removed the feature after a while and things got worse, and another begged me for my own account and funded it to play after using that feature. In light of this, the advice to see a therapist after using any feature is another suggestion.

The main question on this is, are they willing to do it? Just like what you stated, some are very willing but it doesn't last long. I also think that a gambling addict need to see a therapist to guide him the right process of treating addiction.

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The main points that I could infer from this thread are the addiction to casinos and how to curb them. This is good because many people are facing gambling addictions and more controlling features are still needed. I mean the strict one that all gambling companies will strictly adhere to.

I know what people would be facing when they are addicted, if a good control feature is there, it might help to minimize the harm that could be done, but no self-exclusion feature and others can end the addiction completely except the players themselves.

I have seen a player that removed the feature after a while and things got worse, and another begged me for my own account and funded it to play after using that feature. In light of this, the advice to see a therapist after using any feature is another suggestion.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 04, 2022, 06:08:47 AM

Quote from: icalical on September 04, 2022, 04:55:44 AM

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In my opinion, if a person who has a gambling addiction wants to overcome it, he needs to completely limit himself from gambling. Yes, moving to a new place of residence is a good option to solve this problem, but not everyone has the money and desire to do it. It seems to me that you can just limit your social circle and find a hobby that can replace gambling.

Many times this suggestion of what to do if an addicted wants to leave the habit especially gambling. Some people will never leave the habit until they are gone or they have a very serious incapacitation that will hamper them a great deal that doing the habit will be like choosing to stay alive or to die. This is like smoking. So for a gambler, changing environment doesn't really matter, limiting social circle isn't possible if the person has not decided. So personal conviction or serious health incapacitation is what I think can because I have know a gambler addicted that much, never stopped until health issues came until great beyond.

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Quote from: Daltonik on September 04, 2022, 08:00:16 AM

Suppose that it was possible to implement the principle disclosed in the "blue paper" and the possibility of blocking access to gambling will be implemented, but what about illegal playgrounds, whose services will undoubtedly be resorted to by a person dependent on gambling?

When these inventors think of this simple question, they will invent something like a white list of places where a person can spend his money. That is, the gambler will be provided with a wallet from which he will be able to spend money only in permitted places - grocery stores, transport, etc. There will also be loopholes, but they will invent new restrictions. And thus, little by little, they will invent a digital (and most likely physical) prison. I would like to know who will go to this prison voluntarily.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 04, 2022, 06:08:47 AM

Quote from: icalical on September 04, 2022, 04:55:44 AM

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In my opinion, if a person who has a gambling addiction wants to overcome it, he needs to completely limit himself from gambling. Yes, moving to a new place of residence is a good option to solve this problem, but not everyone has the money and desire to do it. It seems to me that you can just limit your social circle and find a hobby that can replace gambling.

to get out of gambling addiction is not easy, as well as addiction to drugs. when a person has been freed from his addiction, at certain times he has the potential to become an addict again. so what it takes for a person to be free from his addiction, he must first realize and ask himself. what he wants from gambling, money, or fun entertainment. think about it and then make a decision.

I think, moving to a new environment is only part of the supporting factors in the transition phase for change. I think the main point is, a strong desire with an intention to improve oneself and a determination to change.
the rest as you said.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 04, 2022, 06:08:47 AM

Quote from: icalical on September 04, 2022, 04:55:44 AM

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In my opinion, if a person who has a gambling addiction wants to overcome it, he needs to completely limit himself from gambling. Yes, moving to a new place of residence is a good option to solve this problem, but not everyone has the money and desire to do it. It seems to me that you can just limit your social circle and find a hobby that can replace gambling.

He cannot quit it immediately as much as he can, relapse will come by any moment he will try to stop it and by the time that he thought that he already surpass that thing. If someone wants to change, it needs to have a strong support system and also he needs to be aware first that he once become addicted or he is currently addicted to it and he has the strong will to overcome it and have a new better life.

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Suppose that it was possible to implement the principle disclosed in the "blue paper" and the possibility of blocking access to gambling will be implemented, but what about illegal playgrounds, whose services will undoubtedly be resorted to by a person dependent on gambling?

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Quote from: Gozie51 on June 15, 2022, 01:30:51 PM

We have to understand addiction to anything including gambling in this case as a challenge and not an international behavior that someone can just walk out from by self excluding himself. Even where a gambling casino bars an addict from playing in their team and condition, such person will find means to satisfy that urge. Addiction is an urge and like most addiction, people need help and if they don't get such appropriate help and able to go away from it, they die from such addition example drug dealing. Gambling addiction need help because when you don't do things in moderation, you are obviously abusing that thing. An addict may not be able to self exclude by themselves alone.

You have a point there, an addict needs to satisfy his urge in one way or the other.
So if a gambling addict self excludes himself from a gambling casino site then he will definitely try to satisfy that urge by doing something else.
So there needs to be an alternative that should be there for the gambler to do whenever he gets an urge to gamble.
Every gambling addict should find an alternative whenever he decides to quit gambling for good.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 04, 2022, 06:08:47 AM

Quote from: icalical on September 04, 2022, 04:55:44 AM

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In my opinion, if a person who has a gambling addiction wants to overcome it, he needs to completely limit himself from gambling. Yes, moving to a new place of residence is a good option to solve this problem, but not everyone has the money and desire to do it. It seems to me that you can just limit your social circle and find a hobby that can replace gambling.

finding new hobbies is a great way to get your attention away from gambling. a lot of Drs suggest this to their patients who have an addiction(not just gambling). limiting your social circle would be good if your buddies or people that you know are gamblers, but if not, I think it would be better to spend more time socializing to get your mind away from gambling.

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Quote from: icalical on September 04, 2022, 04:55:44 AM

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In my opinion, if a person who has a gambling addiction wants to overcome it, he needs to completely limit himself from gambling. Yes, moving to a new place of residence is a good option to solve this problem, but not everyone has the money and desire to do it. It seems to me that you can just limit your social circle and find a hobby that can replace gambling.

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Quote from: Fortify on September 04, 2022, 03:55:31 AM

To me it seems that while self exclusion is an important tool for that initial stage of trying to break the habit of using your regular and favorite gambling sites, some deeper changes must take place to the individual for them to be free of the addiction. People often stray into gambling because of boredom or wishing for a financial improvement, but they end up trapped in a vicious cycle. It is better to address the points that led you into gambling in the first place, often getting a better paid or more fulfilling job can free you of many burdens. Finding different hobbies or activities to fill your spare time is also critical because you'll need to find something else, hopefully more productive, to do.

Finding a better paying job might not only gambling problem but it will solve half of everyone problem, but to expect that everyone can get a decent salary is a little bit utopic. And most of the people who has gambling problem is the one who was unable to get a good job in the first place, often because they lack of skills and they can't get any opportunity. So, I think the more possible to left gambling is just to move to another place where you can start a new life, meet new people that does not do gambling and even to the extreme measure, moving to a place where gambling is completely illegal and banned.

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Quote from: seleme on September 03, 2022, 05:47:29 PM

Pretty common behaviour for addicted gamblers, better look for money to spend on rehabilitation centers rather than keep doing the same things over and over. Addiction is bad in all fields, especially money-involved activities can hurt a person and it can lead to the ruin of the lives of people around pathologically addicted gamblers. Financial problems start to appear slowly after losing savings on gambling platforms and this should be the last point for gamblers who wanna get out of the deeper point that can't be fixed later, unfortunately.

I think the sweet spot to try to get rid of addiction is not when you've already lost all your money, but when you realize you're spending more money than you should on gambling.
After the player loses all his money to addiction, unfortunately, there are still ways to make the situation worse... I've seen many people borrowing more and more money with the illusion that one day they will be able to pay it back with their own profits match.

Unfortunately, some people have fallen deeply into a gambling addiction and have lost everything they had and that's the only time they will decide to quit gambling. A gambling addict, if not decided and serious about quitting will always find ways to gamble as long as he could find other resources. While a gambling addict who is serious and willing to change ways will also be willing to use his funds for rehabilitation rather than spending it again in gambling. It all depends on the willingness of a gambler to change his path.

Thats true. It depends on the level of addiction and the willingness to finally stop what they used to. Sometimes it cant be done without the help of other people because a gambler who have this problem needs a strong support to overcome the addiction. Anyway, if there's a self exclusion tool in every casino, it can help the gamblers (who are willing to change for good) to finally stop their gambling habit because this program can prevented them from coming back. Hence the only choice for the gamblers are to move forward and learn to forget gambling because there's no way to gamble again for a certain period.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on June 15, 2022, 05:55:58 AM

I am doing my daily reading of online news and articles when I stumbled on this one. It has an article title of Casino Guru’s Šimon Vincze on How Problem Gambling Can Become a Thing of the Past So I read and wanted it to share in this forum for some healthy discussion.

Here is the opening paragraph of the article to establish the questions.

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We sit down and speak with Casino Guru’s Šimon Vincze, the man behind the company’s sustainable online gambling and reducing gambling-related harm juggernaut. Vincze most recently published the blue paper for the Global Self-Exclusion Initiative, a massive campaign that intends to tackle problem gambling with the participation of industry stakeholders and build a future where gambling-related harm is no longer an issue. Find out who Vincze is and how he is reshaping the industry.

More detail can be read on the link above.

The 3 key points that summarize the article:

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The gambling industry is missing a system with the possibility to self-exclude internationally.

Thanks to our global presence and active approach toward sustainable online gambling, we saw a gap in the current self-exclusion options, practically overseen by the rest of the industry.

Read the blue paper and dedicate a few minutes of your time to imagining a world where blocking one's access to all gambling opportunities is a possibility. "

To me it seems that while self exclusion is an important tool for that initial stage of trying to break the habit of using your regular and favorite gambling sites, some deeper changes must take place to the individual for them to be free of the addiction. People often stray into gambling because of boredom or wishing for a financial improvement, but they end up trapped in a vicious cycle. It is better to address the points that led you into gambling in the first place, often getting a better paid or more fulfilling job can free you of many burdens. Finding different hobbies or activities to fill your spare time is also critical because you'll need to find something else, hopefully more productive, to do.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on June 20, 2022, 04:58:48 AM

Quote from: judeafante on June 19, 2022, 06:04:01 PM

This gambling Guru may have overlooked that there are already casinos that implement self-exclusion and it's not giving a 100% percent success rate and many gamblers who are supposed to use this self-exclusion feature of the casino that's implementing this are just ignoring this.

You cannot compel gamblers on their own to use this feature, because gamblers are always in a denial stage that they need this tool to control their gambling addiction, the key here is still gambling education.

This is the reason why they set up guidelines and seminars and even offer online service advice just to persuade gamblers that have shown signs of compulsive gambling disorder. I believe that the initial step is on the player himself but broadening the knowledge and understanding of an addicted player may open a path to recovery on their own accord.

- In short, even though there are a lot of good guidelines they say and show, it still really starts with every gambler to truly supervise their gambling, that's what you want to focus on what you're saying dude, right?
But, I agree with what you said to be honest. Because I am also experiencing that as a gambler and will be until now.

Quote from: Viscore on September 04, 2022, 02:47:48 AM

But the problem is, in most cases, once he lose his money, he will gamble again to chase his losses, hoping he will win this time. That is the mindset of most gamblers, the reason why most of the gamblers become poorer because instead of controlling and eventually stay away from gambling, they tend to gamble more because of gambling addiction. If that’s the case, it’s hard to see gambling a thing in the past.

- What you said is true, even now almost most gamblers still have that mindset, and they have not learned from the wrong strategy they are doing. Because if you always lose, you should stop first and cool down and come back another day and gambling should also be limited if you lose 50$ or 100$ stop first. This is just an example I said.

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Quote from: pawanjain on September 03, 2022, 10:39:33 AM

Yes ofcourse, if someone is seeing a casino as a source of income then he must be making a huge mistake.
They should see it more like an entertainment instead of income source. This is where many tend to make mistake and hence lose their money.
Playing games on a gambling site is the easiest way to lose money. So it's better to avoid over gambling by making small bets.

People shouldn't see gambling as you say, but the truth is that many people still expect to make money from gambling. This makes many people lose more and more money and are unaware of it because the attraction of gambling is very big to attract them back again. If a person experiences a big loss, he should be able to realize himself not to repeat the same mistake and try to reduce the amount of money used for gambling and not deposit another amount of money if he loses. Thus, he would not suffer a loss and could learn from what he had already gained from gambling.

But the problem is, in most cases, once he lose his money, he will gamble again to chase his losses, hoping he will win this time. That is the mindset of most gamblers, the reason why most of the gamblers become poorer because instead of controlling and eventually stay away from gambling, they tend to gamble more because of gambling addiction. If that’s the case, it’s hard to see gambling a thing in the past.

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I appreciate this idea, but creating such global self-exclusion system would be close to impossible.
Hundreds of online casinos would refuse to join such self-exclusion system, because they want to milk their players, who are addicted to gambling. This might seem cynical, but I understand them from a business perspective.
There must be some kind of incentive for the casino owners to join the system. I don't know what will incentivize them to do so.
Of course, self-exclusion might become mandatory by the gambling regulators, but I'm sure that many casino would choose to stay in the blackhat unregulated area of the gambling business.
In conclusion, there's no panacea that would solve the problem with players suffering from gambling addiction.

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