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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on June 15, 2022, 04:55:58 AM

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Having this kind of tool in every online casino is really helpful but the main challenge is the people involved. Are they willing to participate in the program? That is the main issue unless Casino will cooperate and force implement this procedure to their players which is highly unlikely. Aside from that this is still in the experimental stage so it is too early to say that this kind of tool will solve the gambling problem that had been in the industry since the beginning. I think it will help but it won't make the gambling problem a thing of the past. So what do you think about this article's claim?

if we compare on a scale of 100 gambling addicts maybe only a few people are willing to participate in a self-exclusion program. I can confirm maybe only 1-5 people are willing. this is just an example
I agree that this is part of the challenge. and we need to know that gambling addicts are well aware that they are in trouble but the effects of addiction are difficult to stop. I think this requires the participation of other parties including spouses, parents or families. with the encouragement and help of a third party I think self-exclusion can be effective. the idea of global self-exclusion is a very positive thing and I totally agree.

by the way some of my friends are gambling addicts they have lost everything and are still gambling.

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Quote from: Prosperiousproduct on June 20, 2022, 06:32:55 AM

Actually it can be a thing of decision, if a gambler decides to stop, it would literally be very difficult for him, it's just a matter of time and determination. The gambler should see it as a thing that's not beneficial. As time goes on that gambler tries to forget about it and also trying to concentrate on other important things that would be more beneficial. Gradually he/she would forget and move on.
It is possible for it to be a thing of the past

It is possible for people who really want it for people with great determination but those people are very few compared to the people who have not this great skill.Therefore gambling can be a thing of the past for very few persons from the ones that were addicted,only few make it like that famous Italian song says "1 in a million makes it",the majority of the gamblers who are addicted unfortunately cannot make gambling problems to be a thing of the past,they are sucked into addiction and continue so until they ruin everything.I hope this situation changes but so far very few from the addicted gamblers makes it that gambling problems can be a thing of the past.

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Quote from: Silberman on June 22, 2022, 12:58:08 PM

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They will find out that they are addicted after experiencing a big change in their life and some people around them complain. But that doesn't stop them from gambling and instead will continue to gamble secretly. They can overcome the addiction if they really want to but it won't be easy for them because they are too late to realize it. But it would be better than nothing and they could overcome his gambling addiction with the support of those closest to them. Even after they recover from addiction, it will still be a long way for them to be able to continue to stay away from gambling, especially since they already know what the risks are if they return to gambling again.

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Quote from: Prosperiousproduct on June 20, 2022, 06:32:55 AM

Actually it can be a thing of decision, if a gambler decides to stop, it would literally be very difficult for him, it's just a matter of time and determination. The gambler should see it as a thing that's not beneficial. As time goes on that gambler tries to forget about it and also trying to concentrate on other important things that would be more beneficial. Gradually he/she would forget and move on.
It is possible for it to be a thing of the past

We are currently living in an era where the Digital is what rules, and any ocsa is through the digital, in fact we have not yet entered the metaverses as it is, but I am sure that when it comes into existence it will be a boom where everything will be more focused there, the problems that one says of the past in gambling may come back here, that is why I always start from a premise, to play in a casino you have to have money just to spend and be willing to lose, For the rest, it is not good to get close to casinos, because many people lose and lose and this leads to depression and addiction, this should be avoided at all costs, gambling games should be solely and exclusively aimed at fun.

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Quote from: Fortify on June 20, 2022, 04:48:49 PM

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on June 15, 2022, 04:55:58 AM

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Having this kind of tool in every online casino is really helpful but the main challenge is the people involved. Are they willing to participate in the program? That is the main issue unless Casino will cooperate and force implement this procedure to their players which is highly unlikely. Aside from that this is still in the experimental stage so it is too early to say that this kind of tool will solve the gambling problem that had been in the industry since the beginning. I think it will help but it won't make the gambling problem a thing of the past. So what do you think about this article's claim?

I think that a global self exclusion tool, that was mandatory to be used by fiat and crypto companies would be an absolute miracle. However due to the way the internet is designed, where sites can be hosted in non-cooperative jurisdictions, there simply is not a good enough level of coordination between countries to get it off the ground. We're also talking about huge amounts of money at stake, if someone was to drop that requirement they would be rolling in money. It would take many countries and an unprecedented effort to perform such a thing, which frankly is not going to happen any time soon. Gambling is a powerful force, but honestly people can overcome it but they are often a victim of their circumstances and environment - unless you fix those then it's hard to have the willpower to break free long term.

I don't think that is the best solution to work on auto-excluding platform. The best thing is to work on the player, because it would be necessary only a registration, or the slot machine near your home to fell for another

time in gambling addiction. Hope that gambling industry will improve instrument for this giant problem.

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Quote from: Slow death on June 18, 2022, 06:19:49 PM

The only solution for gambling addicts is to seek medical treatment, the rest of the measures are just things that will not work if the person does not seek medical treatment. I read posts from people on this forum blaming the casino for sending him an email when he was addicted and had deleted his account, I even understood and gave the person reason, but the casino is also not to blame for the person to have played again. That's why I think the only solution is for the person to see a doctor and get treated

What happens is that no one knows what they are getting into when they become addicted to something, they believe they can at some point overcome their addiction and then go back to their previous life as if nothing ever happened, but things are never that simple, after a successful recovery the addicted will have to struggle for the rest of their life to never fall into temptation and become addicted again, this is a daily struggle as temptation is everywhere and unless they can keep such determination at some point they will be tempted and fall into addiction once again.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on June 15, 2022, 04:55:58 AM

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Having this kind of tool in every online casino is really helpful but the main challenge is the people involved. Are they willing to participate in the program? That is the main issue unless Casino will cooperate and force implement this procedure to their players which is highly unlikely. Aside from that this is still in the experimental stage so it is too early to say that this kind of tool will solve the gambling problem that had been in the industry since the beginning. I think it will help but it won't make the gambling problem a thing of the past. So what do you think about this article's claim?

I think that a global self exclusion tool, that was mandatory to be used by fiat and crypto companies would be an absolute miracle. However due to the way the internet is designed, where sites can be hosted in non-cooperative jurisdictions, there simply is not a good enough level of coordination between countries to get it off the ground. We're also talking about huge amounts of money at stake, if someone was to drop that requirement they would be rolling in money. It would take many countries and an unprecedented effort to perform such a thing, which frankly is not going to happen any time soon. Gambling is a powerful force, but honestly people can overcome it but they are often a victim of their circumstances and environment - unless you fix those then it's hard to have the willpower to break free long term.

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Quote from: Viscore on June 20, 2022, 03:43:45 PM

Quote from: avikz on June 15, 2022, 06:58:07 AM

Self exclusion can become useless for couple of reasons -
1. It all starts with oir willingness. If a gambler has a strong mind, he will be able to self exclude himself from gambling for as long as he wants. It all starts with us. Think about cigarette addiction. Unless the addicted person is willing to take action, nothing really happens.

2. There are multiple gambling websites available, including unlicensed ones. So even if someone has a strong mind to self exclude him from gambling for a specific period of time, it will be pretty easy for him to come back to gambling through another website.

Addiction can be treated through regular counseling. No measure of exclusion will work unless it is a forced one.

Self-exclusion will not be be helpful at all if the gambler itself denies his addiction and continue to gamble as if nothing is wrong with him. So definitely, it won't be a guarantee to overcome a gambling problem or an addiction itself. However, the only way not to create problem in gambling is to never gamble in the first place if you can't control yourself. Some may have the power to manage theirselves, but most of the gamblers fail on that.

Exclusion is useless indeed or something that won't work for those who are really that addicted but it's not also a bad idea for a casino to have yet there are still users who could actually stop their gambling activity via these exclusions which does simply means that it does work for sometime but not all or most of the time.

Quitting or stopping possible addiction is on someone's mind and if ever they don't have the intent on stopping then these kind of restrictions and limitations are useless.

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Quote from: avikz on June 15, 2022, 06:58:07 AM

Self exclusion can become useless for couple of reasons -
1. It all starts with oir willingness. If a gambler has a strong mind, he will be able to self exclude himself from gambling for as long as he wants. It all starts with us. Think about cigarette addiction. Unless the addicted person is willing to take action, nothing really happens.

2. There are multiple gambling websites available, including unlicensed ones. So even if someone has a strong mind to self exclude him from gambling for a specific period of time, it will be pretty easy for him to come back to gambling through another website.

Addiction can be treated through regular counseling. No measure of exclusion will work unless it is a forced one.

Self-exclusion will not be be helpful at all if the gambler itself denies his addiction and continue to gamble as if nothing is wrong with him. So definitely, it won't be a guarantee to overcome a gambling problem or an addiction itself. However, the only way not to create problem in gambling is to never gamble in the first place if you can't control yourself. Some may have the power to manage theirselves, but most of the gamblers fail on that.

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Actually it can be a thing of decision, if a gambler decides to stop, it would literally be very difficult for him, it's just a matter of time and determination. The gambler should see it as a thing that's not beneficial. As time goes on that gambler tries to forget about it and also trying to concentrate on other important things that would be more beneficial. Gradually he/she would forget and move on.
It is possible for it to be a thing of the past

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on June 20, 2022, 03:58:48 AM

Quote from: judeafante on June 19, 2022, 05:04:01 PM

This gambling Guru may have overlooked that there are already casinos that implement self-exclusion and it's not giving a 100% percent success rate and many gamblers who are supposed to use this self-exclusion feature of the casino that's implementing this are just ignoring this.

You cannot compel gamblers on their own to use this feature, because gamblers are always in a denial stage that they need this tool to control their gambling addiction, the key here is still gambling education.

This is the reason why they set up guidelines and seminars and even offer online service advice just to persuade gamblers that have shown signs of compulsive gambling disorder. I believe that the initial step is on the player himself but broadening the knowledge and understanding of an addicted player may open a path to recovery on their own accord.

There must be aware that the addicted players want to improve their lives so that the online service can work for them. But we know that people who are addicted find it difficult to tell what they are experiencing to others because when they tell it, other people don't necessarily want to help immediately. The first step is to open up to want to share their problems with others, and then there are responses and solutions to fix them so they know what to do. Slowly and surely, those who are addicted will be able to solve the problem.

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Quote from: judeafante on June 19, 2022, 05:04:01 PM

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You cannot compel gamblers on their own to use this feature, because gamblers are always in a denial stage that they need this tool to control their gambling addiction, the key here is still gambling education.

If we draw an analogy with alcohol, then the key is education about alcohol? Cheesy

To be honest, I have little idea how knowledge about addictions can help someone in the fight against them.
Regarding gambling, I would introduce into school education a section on the study of probabilities and how they work in gambling. This is very useful knowledge from a practical point of view. Instead, usually in schools they study a generalized theory and do not show how it works in practice.

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Quote from: judeafante on June 19, 2022, 05:04:01 PM

This gambling Guru may have overlooked that there are already casinos that implement self-exclusion and it's not giving a 100% percent success rate and many gamblers who are supposed to use this self-exclusion feature of the casino that's implementing this are just ignoring this.

You cannot compel gamblers on their own to use this feature, because gamblers are always in a denial stage that they need this tool to control their gambling addiction, the key here is still gambling education.

This is the reason why they set up guidelines and seminars and even offer online service advice just to persuade gamblers that have shown signs of compulsive gambling disorder. I believe that the initial step is on the player himself but broadening the knowledge and understanding of an addicted player may open a path to recovery on their own accord.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on June 15, 2022, 04:55:58 AM

I am doing my daily reading of online news and articles when I stumbled on this one. It has an article title of Casino Guru’s Šimon Vincze on How Problem Gambling Can Become a Thing of the Past So I read and wanted it to share in this forum for some healthy discussion.

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The gambling industry is missing a system with the possibility to self-exclude internationally.

Thanks to our global presence and active approach toward sustainable online gambling, we saw a gap in the current self-exclusion options, practically overseen by the rest of the industry.

Read the blue paper and dedicate a few minutes of your time to imagining a world where blocking one's access to all gambling opportunities is a possibility. "

Digging deeper into what is this Global Self-Exclusion system (GSES) is, I found the pdf of the blue paper. GSES is also deeply explained in this website, Global Self-Exclusion Initiative, with a tagline : "Let’s make online gambling safer, together."

It said that to be able to solve the gambling problem in the gambling industry it needs GSES.

This gambling Guru may have overlooked that there are already casinos that implement self-exclusion and it's not giving a 100% percent success rate and many gamblers who are supposed to use this self-exclusion feature of the casino that's implementing this are just ignoring this.

You cannot compel gamblers on their own to use this feature, because gamblers are always in a denial stage that they need this tool to control their gambling addiction, the key here is still gambling education.

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Quote from: Slow death on June 18, 2022, 06:19:49 PM

The only solution for gambling addicts is to seek medical treatment, the rest of the measures are just things that will not work if the person does not seek medical treatment. I read posts from people on this forum blaming the casino for sending him an email when he was addicted and had deleted his account, I even understood and gave the person reason, but the casino is also not to blame for the person to have played again. That's why I think the only solution is for the person to see a doctor and get treated

I think medical treatment alone is not enough, they should also get rehabilitation treatment so that they can make their brains stop gambling again. The process to get rid of this addiction will not be easy, they doctors and nurses require a very long process so that the addict will forget all how to do gambling and make him think or reflect that he has lost everything because of gambling addiction.

Rehabilitation is the key, they should be guided and once they enter into this program there’s a high probability that they won gamble again. Self exclusion still requires gambler to be more responsible since they can still gamble and open an account in another site, only if there’s a master server for a list of the participants gamblers, this can be a big help.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on June 18, 2022, 05:03:37 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on June 18, 2022, 04:31:12 PM

I agree, the self-exclusion tool is more of an imitation of a solution to a problem than a real solution to a problem. If a person is aware of the problem and wants to solve it, then he does not need such a tool, if he is not aware of the problem or does not want to solve it, then this tool is useless. I would like to hear the opinion of those who this tool really helped - do they exist?

self-exclusion will only work if the user himself is determined to change his lifestyle. because if he can easily be tempted by email promos, and go back to where he was, then, this self-exclusion won't really work. your will power will be tested every time, as you will encounter a lot of temptations. the gambling problem won't go away if you will not start from yourself. you have no one to blame but your own on this journey.

As you can see, many people are far from such obvious logic and offer some fantastic options like total control over all the casinos in the world to make this tool work. I understand why this is for governments (to reduce the rights of people and expand power), but I can’t understand why it is for the gamblers.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on June 18, 2022, 06:45:10 PM

Quote from: Slow death on June 18, 2022, 06:19:49 PM

The only solution for gambling addicts is to seek medical treatment, the rest of the measures are just things that will not work if the person does not seek medical treatment. I read posts from people on this forum blaming the casino for sending him an email when he was addicted and had deleted his account, I even understood and gave the person reason, but the casino is also not to blame for the person to have played again. That's why I think the only solution is for the person to see a doctor and get treated

I think medical treatment alone is not enough, they should also get rehabilitation treatment so that they can make their brains stop gambling again. The process to get rid of this addiction will not be easy, they doctors and nurses require a very long process so that the addict will forget all how to do gambling and make him think or reflect that he has lost everything because of gambling addiction.

This has actually been done a lot of hypnotherapy to reduce the effects of addiction that occurs in addicts (by going into their subconscious and entering suggestions that gambling is not a good thing for their finances)

I think with the development of today's medicine and technology, the government's task to eradicate gambling addicts or others such as drugs is quite easy

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Quote from: alegotardo on June 18, 2022, 09:09:51 PM

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With each passing day I see more and more people promoting foolproof winning strategies with low risks, only people who have no knowledge, especially newbies in gambling, believe it.

So, definitely, the knowledge and experience gained in gambling makes a big difference. If you haven't learned anything after months of playing games, then you're addicted to it.

Therefore having extensive knowledge is very important. Get used to being thorough before joining on something new to do. In addition, most people who do promotions provide evidence of profits and losses not published. So naturally beginners are very interested in joining. Actually it will not happen when we have good literacy. Indeed, some of the cases I heard of online gamblers to the point of having addictions. This addiction to the point of depleting their possessions. Although not all, I agree gambling is not to be the main job. Gambling is just for fun. But I also heard that there are those who make gambling a sport.

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Quote from: Oceat on June 18, 2022, 06:29:10 PM

It all depends on a person on how would they control themselves when certain emotions kicked in. I think gambling will be very effective if a person know how to control his emotion no matter what the outcome of the game. I mean, come on even if you knew what was going to happen when you gamble but you don't know how to stop even if you are winning, then what's the purpose of your knowledge? For winning purposes only? What if you had a lose streaks? Does knowledge stop that?

Yes, the main knowledge in gambling is knowing that you are there to have fun, not to make money, which most of the time will result in you losing money.
Then knowledge will tell you that there are no foolproof strategies, and that knowledge will keep you from spending more than you should be losing.

With each passing day I see more and more people promoting foolproof winning strategies with low risks, only people who have no knowledge, especially newbies in gambling, believe it.

So, definitely, the knowledge and experience gained in gambling makes a big difference. If you haven't learned anything after months of playing games, then you're addicted to it.

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Quote from: MonsterV on June 18, 2022, 04:19:14 PM

Gambling problems have been around as long as mankind has been alive. now everything is going digital, but let's not forget that people used to bet on large scale and that even entire household effects and women were used to win. Sometimes with all that entails. We have to accept that gambling problems are part of society and that it is something that will always exist and people have to learn to deal with that if it hasn't already happened.

This problem will stay around and most probably will be left unsolved. People have to understand how gambling works and maybe this can lessen the problem. Educating people before they gamble can also a big help, I wonder if the site implements this before allowing players to gamble on their casino or site, this could change the whole system, education can be a big changer here.

education before gambling sounds very good and will provide more education so they can use their money wisely. Gambling becomes an entertainment and also a place to get some benefits for those who understand gambling, but for those who don't understand they just spend their money every time they gamble. Some gambling sites warn when logging in to their websites that gambling is risky and is for adults only.

It all depends on a person on how would they control themselves when certain emotions kicked in. I think gambling will be very effective if a person know how to control his emotion no matter what the outcome of the game. I mean, come on even if you knew what was going to happen when you gamble but you don't know how to stop even if you are winning, then what's the purpose of your knowledge? For winning purposes only? What if you had a lose streaks? Does knowledge stop that?

Knowledgeable people are even superior, they also know when to quit because they also learn how to control their psychology. Knowledge of all kinds of gambling will provide a limit, a limit on where to stop so that there is no losing streak. Having knowledge or not everyone has a goal of winning. People who gamble with some knowledge or rules will certainly be safer than those who just gamble without knowing anything, without knowing the risks that occur and there is no winning strategy.

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