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Quote from: coin-investor on October 23, 2024, 09:11:56 AM

Quote from: GreatArkansas on October 21, 2024, 06:31:29 PM

Here in the Philippines, a lot of big personalities in social media started to play gambling live using their platform, even if they were not that really into gambling before, most of you will see them start to play and for sure it's their promotion.

Its a big surprise that one of the vlogger and streamers that you have been following for many years suddenly become experts in gambling and make it appear that gambling is fun and profitable, the truth is, its impossible even a gambler who's been playing for many years cannot become an expert overnight.

Kinda weird and disappointed for these vloggers to start streaming gambling contents knowing full well that their contents are wholesome and family friendly contents. Most of them give disclaimer on their captions to do not copy what they're doing and it's only for fun but knowing they earn huge amount entice they're viewers to copy them instead. I also doubt that they're expert especially that most of their gambling streams are slots and roulettes.

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But a lot of people are saying that they are using fake accounts, like a testnet account with fake balance inside so they can use it to play and live it, how true is this?

That's the truth; other vloggers have and are exposing them and I have seen one exposee of these vloggers turned gambling streamers, They are faking their winning their dashboard to make it realistic, but in reality they are fake, Vloggers will do everything, even to the point of deceiving their loyal followers for money

Exactly, I watch those videos of them exposing themselves when someone from the comment section ask them to switch over on a different game so that they'll be on a live server, and they actually did it and exposed themselves. They even deleted that live stream session on their pages to cover their lies.
Some of them though are really playing on live servers and using a portion of their gambling promotions payment as bankroll and when they win, they used it for giveaways during their live.

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The truth is that streamers play for casino money. And everything they "lost" goes back into the owner's pocket, and everything they "won" is the broadcast fee. The illusion of transparency is created and that the streamer contributed his money, but this is not true and in 99% of cases it is a performance for those watching this stream. Streamers also get their percentage from the referral system. This is ordinary aggressive marketing, I often saw ordinary bloggers on YouTube who abruptly changed their profile of hobbies and streamed their gambling games, but they are not very good actors.

Streamers are paid professionals; as said, they play for the casinos, pretending as if they're spending their own money. There might be an exception with a few streamers, but most were paid streamers. This is mutually beneficial, as mentioned; the gambling platform gets users directed to the streaming, and for the streamers, they'll get referrals and other ways of earning. More number of gambling platforms are getting launched regularly, and this increase the competence in the market. To keep the users with them and to attract new users, the gambling platforms do all possible ways of marketing. One such kind is streaming, which is unethical from a user perspective, but from a business perspective, they need to make money for which they're taking the efforts.

You're right there; many of us notice what streamers are doing. Maybe those streamers think that all their viewers are stupid and they will be fooled by the fraud they are doing.

There is also a point that some people say that what streamers do is because they have paid ads for no other reason; the second is that they show that they always win in live streaming only because of the demo account or the video that is still shown; sometimes it's already recorded.

Many of these streamers are only promoting casinos using their referral links to attracts gamblers to use the casino they are using so they can make similar profits too. I think gamblers are now getting understanding about gambling and why their are so many streamers different social media promoting casinos and attracting gamblers to use their referral links if the want to make money from gambling. Most of the winnings are never real and it is obvious that the accounts these streamers are using are demo accounts that are enabled by casino teams and fully funded making it looks like they are real and their followers can have similar results.

Promoting casinos because they are really that being paid on doing so plus spreading up their links then it would really be a win-win situation for them. This is why these influencers are really that making some easy money not only just that because they are getting paid but also they are really that getting some ref bonuses on which this is really that making money. As for fueling addiction then this is something that will really be just that depending on a certain individual because there are those who are really that able to control themselves about dealing up with gambling and there are ones who do get easily hyped out
and ending up on having those kind of desperation on trying out to copy on what these influencers been doing. This is why majority do really get that addicted because they've been that hyped
up with those huge wins.

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on October 21, 2024, 06:31:29 PM

Here in the Philippines, a lot of big personalities in social media started to play gambling live using their platform, even if they were not that really into gambling before, most of you will see them start to play and for sure it's their promotion.

Its a big surprise that one of the vlogger and streamers that you have been following for many years suddenly become experts in gambling and make it appear that gambling is fun and profitable, the truth is, its impossible even a gambler who's been playing for many years cannot become an expert overnight.

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But a lot of people are saying that they are using fake accounts, like a testnet account with fake balance inside so they can use it to play and live it, how true is this?

That's the truth; other vloggers have and are exposing them and I have seen one exposee of these vloggers turned gambling streamers, They are faking their winning their dashboard to make it realistic, but in reality they are fake, Vloggers will do everything, even to the point of deceiving their loyal followers for money

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Another thing I'm concerned about is their audience because, for sure, most of their followers will see their stream and some of them are minor, is this also fine?

Parents should check who are the vloggers your children are following; they may be following these streamers who are promoting gambling.

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The truth is that streamers play for casino money. And everything they "lost" goes back into the owner's pocket, and everything they "won" is the broadcast fee. The illusion of transparency is created and that the streamer contributed his money, but this is not true and in 99% of cases it is a performance for those watching this stream. Streamers also get their percentage from the referral system. This is ordinary aggressive marketing, I often saw ordinary bloggers on YouTube who abruptly changed their profile of hobbies and streamed their gambling games, but they are not very good actors.

Streamers are paid professionals; as said, they play for the casinos, pretending as if they're spending their own money. There might be an exception with a few streamers, but most were paid streamers. This is mutually beneficial, as mentioned; the gambling platform gets users directed to the streaming, and for the streamers, they'll get referrals and other ways of earning. More number of gambling platforms are getting launched regularly, and this increase the competence in the market. To keep the users with them and to attract new users, the gambling platforms do all possible ways of marketing. One such kind is streaming, which is unethical from a user perspective, but from a business perspective, they need to make money for which they're taking the efforts.

You're right there; many of us notice what streamers are doing. Maybe those streamers think that all their viewers are stupid and they will be fooled by the fraud they are doing.

There is also a point that some people say that what streamers do is because they have paid ads for no other reason; the second is that they show that they always win in live streaming only because of the demo account or the video that is still shown; sometimes it's already recorded.

Many of these streamers are only promoting casinos using their referral links to attracts gamblers to use the casino they are using so they can make similar profits too. I think gamblers are now getting understanding about gambling and why their are so many streamers different social media promoting casinos and attracting gamblers to use their referral links if the want to make money from gambling. Most of the winnings are never real and it is obvious that the accounts these streamers are using are demo accounts that are enabled by casino teams and fully funded making it looks like they are real and their followers can have similar results.

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Quote from: Questat on October 23, 2024, 09:02:15 AM

Of course, their job is to attract gamblers to play on the platform, but it’s not like they intend to get people addicted. It’s up to us since we control our actions. They say gambling is supposed to be for fun, and they’re just providing us with that chance. If we don’t understand the risks and rewards, then we’re likely to get hooked, but at the end of the day, the responsibility is on us, not on the casino or the streamer.

You are right, what makes us addicted is our own attitude towards the gambling activities we do. streamers only introduce the platform and they benefit from it. I even saw several local slot game streamers promoting that we can have fun with the game. Although there is an addition that there is a possibility that if we are lucky we can get the big multiplier offered. but whether it is proven or not, maybe only the account from the streamer has won a big multiplier several times. the reality is that we who play find it very difficult to get the big multiplier.

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Quote from: GideonGono on October 23, 2024, 07:45:31 AM

For me they are only fueling addiction, cause they are only showing insane profit and making it look easy to do or win.

Of course, their job is to attract gamblers to play on the platform, but it’s not like they intend to get people addicted. It’s up to us since we control our actions. They say gambling is supposed to be for fun, and they’re just providing us with that chance. If we don’t understand the risks and rewards, then we’re likely to get hooked, but at the end of the day, the responsibility is on us, not on the casino or the streamer.

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For me they are only fueling addiction, cause they are only showing insane profit and making it look easy to do or win.
They are just making their viewers excited to play and try their luck, if they just want to promote fun they would only play with a small amount to enjoy the game, but instead they are playing with huge bank roll to make a big profit.
I also think that most of those streams or live video's aren't real, they might be a recorded game so they could only show the winning moments to make it look better or easy.

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Does audience even pay attention to gambling (except noticing big bets or wins)? I think during streams, they mostly chat or try to chat with streamer, and force streamer to do wild things. The goal is not to watch streamer gamble, but to make his place a ridiculous bet and lose it. Or some simply want to get noticed by streamer and get a response like «Hi» form him. Audience not really interested in gambling in general. But, such streams subconsciously make them remember gambling platform. I think its fun with a addiction elements on a long time frame.

I think this really depends on the culture of the country where the streamers are operating. If it's in the Philippines, most of the audience are gamblers, and some even ask for a cut of the win as they act like beggars online. Streamers never show they’re in the negative--they’ll always show profits. We all know the main goal of streaming is to attract gamblers to sign up using their referral link, 'cause streamers get paid to do that.

Low life people always ask that and its annoying to see those people commenting asking for help or get something from those streamers. They didn't realize that most of those streamers are just using them and they don't actually give what they promise to their follower. Also for sure that they would never show negative since this is bad for their stream and if they do that for sure people would not gonna listen towards everything what they say. Usually they are promoting a casino so showing negatives provably not their main thing since they cannot influence people to gamble in that cases.

Also people should stop grabbing the hype created by those streamers and they gamble in moderation. Streamers are their to hype and provably their main agenda is to fool people so that they can get something from their invites.

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Quote from: mirakal on October 23, 2024, 02:11:45 AM

We all know that social media influencers are often used by big gambling companies because they have massive followings, and those followers could easily turn into casino players. It’s tough to imagine that these influencers know the negative impact this can have on their audience—especially the minors—yet they choose to ignore it, driven by pure greed for money.

Driven by money as it is, there's no concern anymore though they manage to also advise that gambling is only for those on the right age but the audience that they've got are simply open and they don't have any control regarding to that, everyone can see and follow them to whatever extent that they show up especially those who are fanatics.

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It’s hard to accept, but there’s not much we can do to stop them unless the government steps in and takes action. As parents, though, we need to focus on guiding and educating our kids about these dangers. It’s on us to make sure they’re aware of the risks.

As parents or guardians we do have the big role to avoid those young minors to engage with those kinds of streams, monitor the activities of those young people and explain the whatever they needed to understand.

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Quote from: bakasabo on October 23, 2024, 03:15:02 AM

Does audience even pay attention to gambling (except noticing big bets or wins)? I think during streams, they mostly chat or try to chat with streamer, and force streamer to do wild things. The goal is not to watch streamer gamble, but to make his place a ridiculous bet and lose it. Or some simply want to get noticed by streamer and get a response like «Hi» form him. Audience not really interested in gambling in general. But, such streams subconsciously make them remember gambling platform. I think its fun with a addiction elements on a long time frame.

I think this really depends on the culture of the country where the streamers are operating. If it's in the Philippines, most of the audience are gamblers, and some even ask for a cut of the win as they act like beggars online. Streamers never show they’re in the negative--they’ll always show profits. We all know the main goal of streaming is to attract gamblers to sign up using their referral link, 'cause streamers get paid to do that.

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the streamers only do the work of the casino or find customers to be attracted to the site. I have seen streamers playing real or using demo accounts. but most of them use demo accounts and those that are often played slot games, they only show the pattern game but not with the withdrawal of money. many people comment on this. the streamers play real or fake slots. they only play and get paid by the site

The streamers was used by the gambling site for the marketing purposes,because they play on the demo accounts.So this play can be used by them to share with the customers to the site.The streamers know the pattern of the game,but they never do anything to gain money from the website apart from marketing.Sometimes we get a message in telegram like some people was the member of website.They make us to win and we can split the money,but it is not a real one.The streamers never use the website to scam other gamblers.

There were really those telling that it was really just that demo accounts but surprisingly there are really that those individuals who do really fall off with those
kind of tricks or being decieved that they are really that making use of real account balances on which its really that too impossible that these streamers would
really be making use of their own money just to promote something on which its really that obvious that they are funded or make use of demo accounts
but they have that trying out to argue that it was that a real balance on which it could be also possibly be funded. So they wont lose anything or simply risk free.

all site promotion accounts have been set by the company and they just have to play, without having to bother thinking about patterns. for example, every multiple slot game and good game arrangement has no doubt to attract customers. gambling site companies will always win and never lose. only our attitude is how to deal with it with a wise nature. playing moderately is better

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Does audience even pay attention to gambling (except noticing big bets or wins)? I think during streams, they mostly chat or try to chat with streamer, and force streamer to do wild things. The goal is not to watch streamer gamble, but to make his place a ridiculous bet and lose it. Or some simply want to get noticed by streamer and get a response like «Hi» form him. Audience not really interested in gambling in general. But, such streams subconsciously make them remember gambling platform. I think its fun with a addiction elements on a long time frame.

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on October 21, 2024, 06:31:29 PM

Another thing I'm concerned about is their audience because for sure, most of their followers will see their stream and some of them are minor, is this also fine?

Their audience will be those who can believe and succumb to manipulation. These are not necessarily teenagers with their immature minds. There are many adults, but they remain, naive children, who believe that you can win at gambling regularly; you just need to repeat what their idol streamers advise them. Being like him is the motto.
People are all different, but such videos are designed for people who are not able to find real sources of information, for those who are poorly educated and also either lazy or cannot find a normal source of income. A video screaming about how people have fun gambling will most often contain another subtext designed to increase customers and the amount of money from their pockets.

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We all know that social media influencers are often used by big gambling companies because they have massive followings, and those followers could easily turn into casino players. It’s tough to imagine that these influencers know the negative impact this can have on their audience—especially the minors—yet they choose to ignore it, driven by pure greed for money.

It’s hard to accept, but there’s not much we can do to stop them unless the government steps in and takes action. As parents, though, we need to focus on guiding and educating our kids about these dangers. It’s on us to make sure they’re aware of the risks.

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Quote from: bettercrypto on October 22, 2024, 06:54:34 PM

Maybe those streamers think that all their viewers are stupid and they will be fooled by the fraud they are doing.

There is also a point that some people say that what streamers do is because they have paid ads for no other reason; the second is that they show that they always win in live streaming only because of the demo account or the video that is still shown; sometimes it's already recorded.

If those streamers think like that, they will not get more audience or follower because sooner or later, people will know that those streamers just fool their audience. People now become smart to choose what they want to watch although some new people in gambling doesn't know for sure.

We only know that they promote the casino and we thinks that they getting paid from the casino. Besides that, we don't know if their account is a demo account that already prepared by the casino to playing gambling so that can attract more attention from people to visit the casino.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on October 22, 2024, 09:36:42 AM

I would say that they use fake account because for instance, there's this influencer I love whom I followed online, at some he began to advertise how he profits from casino games and the way he wins and usually show off his wins, but while following his methods, I found out that I barely win using the method. it can be said they're fueling addiction because it isn't actually easy the way they advertise it, and anything that one is doing, should understand that no one would bear responsibility of the risk, you alone, this streamers only care for the money they make for promoting the platforms period.

A few years ago, I watched one such streamer every day. Indeed, I got some pleasure and moral satisfaction from it. Despite the fact that this person constantly said that gambling is very dangerous and will lead to loss of money. This is a good approach to business. This is the only way to warn your audience. Other bloggers do not do this and lure people to the casino with their affiliate links. How many people were left with nothing? Wow, there are a huge number of them.

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on October 21, 2024, 06:31:29 PM

But a lot of people are saying that they are using fake accounts, like a testnet account with fake balance inside so they can use it to play and live it, how true is this?

Another thing I'm concerned about is their audience because for sure, most of their followers will see their stream and some of them are minor, is this also fine?

I just barely said in another post that Gambling videos and streams are so unrealistic I always see people hit jackpot, especially in their streaming service

are Gambling Streamers. Are they promoting fun or fueling addiction? One thing for sure they do gamble and stream is just for the money I mean some platforms maybe pay a lot than other platforms regular platforms like youtube of course don't allow gambling

back to your question

* Because is good to be true that is why some people including me aswell believe that they are paid actor and of course there is something on their account.
* is it fine as long the platform give the pop up age before you can watch it

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Quote from: bettercrypto on October 22, 2024, 06:54:34 PM

You're right there; many of us notice what streamers are doing. Maybe those streamers think that all their viewers are stupid and they will be fooled by the fraud they are doing.

There is also a point that some people say that what streamers do is because they have paid ads for no other reason; the second is that they show that they always win in live streaming only because of the demo account or the video that is still shown; sometimes it's already recorded.

This is a common problem, isn't it? Now many young people are looking for ways to make money quickly, and it's not surprising that they think about gambling because some people who gamble also aim to double their money, but such a goal will only make them suffer in the future. In addition, not only young people but all levels of society do the same thing. This is terrible because it can cause them big problems. Oddly enough, streamers can win and it seems to be more common than defeat, while in reality defeat is more dominant than victory. With this right, I think some streamers work with their casinos which have the goal of reaching more people to gamble. We must be able to restrain ourselves well.

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on October 21, 2024, 06:31:29 PM

Another thing I'm concerned about is their audience because for sure, most of their followers will see their stream and some of them are minor, is this also fine?

YouTube should be blamed because any age below 18 should not be able to see such contents. I think that is how it should be but I am not surenif Google takes that seriously.

Here in our country, famous platform is Facebook from Meta, that's why I'm worried for some personalities online that some children or minor can see their stream randomly on the feed.

This is also a very popular social media platform in my country and streamers use Facebook to broadcast their gambling activities, with all the promotions and also lies such as using fun mode in slot games and I am very sure that streamers like this are targeting new gamblers who are still lay and do not know that they can play slots without real money

All ages can watch it and even though I am not interested in their streaming videos but I am sure many are more interested that is why they continue to do live streaming.

Maybe these streamers don't do it intentionally to fuel addiction, but we know that when we see a video of someone winning a large amount, it will attract a lot of attention and the desire to try because it is very tempting.

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Quote from: romero121 on October 22, 2024, 06:33:28 PM

Quote from: nimogsm on October 22, 2024, 03:21:40 PM

The truth is that streamers play for casino money. And everything they "lost" goes back into the owner's pocket, and everything they "won" is the broadcast fee. The illusion of transparency is created and that the streamer contributed his money, but this is not true and in 99% of cases it is a performance for those watching this stream. Streamers also get their percentage from the referral system. This is ordinary aggressive marketing, I often saw ordinary bloggers on YouTube who abruptly changed their profile of hobbies and streamed their gambling games, but they are not very good actors.

Streamers are paid professionals; as said, they play for the casinos, pretending as if they're spending their own money. There might be an exception with a few streamers, but most were paid streamers. This is mutually beneficial, as mentioned; the gambling platform gets users directed to the streaming, and for the streamers, they'll get referrals and other ways of earning. More number of gambling platforms are getting launched regularly, and this increase the competence in the market. To keep the users with them and to attract new users, the gambling platforms do all possible ways of marketing. One such kind is streaming, which is unethical from a user perspective, but from a business perspective, they need to make money for which they're taking the efforts.

Yes, that's right, I agree with you, gambling promotions are carried out by streamers on their agreement with the casino for mutual benefit, usually streamers get some payment and as a bonus they also get a commission when the number of audiences interested and registering on the promoted site is more than targeted, and the advantage for the casino is clear that they will get long-term benefits when the audience who registers becomes addicted.

As we know that the shows made by these streamers look very tempting, all the wins can be easily obtained by them and of course this scenario is very likely to make people interested, especially those who are in despair or those who are experiencing financial problems in their lives who usually don't think twice in making decisions, the biggest mistake people make is that they don't think that everything that seems too easy to get is unrealistic.

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