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Here in my country, there are celebrities who own betting houses, but this is not public knowledge. They keep advertising them and are under investigation. Some have even been arrested for money laundering.

But you raised a good question. If they are from suspicious casinos or those that are just starting out, it's very likely that they use all possible manipulation aspects in games during streaming, with a manipulated bankroll always to win or with fictitious balances.

More serious casinos should not do this, or they do it less frequently, or they try to do more marketing that is within the law of a given region.

This is not surprising anymore as these popular personalities are the most prone to this, easy advertisement because of how famous they are especially now social media are now popular also they can easily get a lot of people by just promoting it on social media. That's the power of social media also, some are using it in wrong or criminal way.

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on November 01, 2024, 04:47:17 PM

Here in my country, there are celebrities who own betting houses, but this is not public knowledge. They keep advertising them and are under investigation. Some have even been arrested for money laundering.
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Perhaps that is because there are some countries working on legislation for streamers, influencers and other internet personalities to openly disclose whether they have some business relationship with the products they display or talk about in their videos, reels or post on the internet. I recall back in the day those famous people just casually started to talk about products in their videos without clearing out they were the owner of the companies which produced them or gave the service, nowadays if you go to YouTube you will find they all need to call those companies "sponsors" for their videos and content. Something similar could be done when comes to gambling and celebrities which happen to heavily advertise betting houses.
It is not wrong per se to have gambling service and advertising it yourself, using your own fame to make your business to go up, but one needs to have a minimum degree of transparency with the public.

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on October 21, 2024, 06:31:29 PM

I just want to ask what you can say about most streamers right now who stream their activities on gambling like playing different kinds of gambling games like slot, baccarat, poker, etc. LIVE on their different social media platforms.

Here in the Philippines, a lot of big personalities in social media started to play gambling live using their platform, even if they were not that really into gambling before, most of you will see them start to play and for sure it's their promotion.

But a lot of people are saying that they are using fake accounts, like a testnet account with fake balance inside so they can use it to play and live it, how true is this?

Another thing I'm concerned about is their audience because for sure, most of their followers will see their stream and some of them are minor, is this also fine?

Here in my country, there are celebrities who own betting houses, but this is not public knowledge. They keep advertising them and are under investigation. Some have even been arrested for money laundering.

But you raised a good question. If they are from suspicious casinos or those that are just starting out, it's very likely that they use all possible manipulation aspects in games during streaming, with a manipulated bankroll always to win or with fictitious balances.

More serious casinos should not do this, or they do it less frequently, or they try to do more marketing that is within the law of a given region.

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It all depends on the individual's perspective. Although some streamers may use testnet accounts and have bigger wins that are not in the form of cash, which you cannot be sure of. But what is equally important is that the viewers themselves must be aware of this considering that these shows may not always represent the reality or perception of gambling.

Because people, especially younger people are easily influenced when they see big wins or games that look 'easy' in a stream. That's when it becomes the responsibility of each individual to be able to answer that it is just a show and the wins in the process may not be entirely honest or may have been rigged. Awareness not to get caught up in the illusion of big wins or instant promises must always be emphasized so that every viewer can make the right decision and not be carried away by the perception

I agree with you, it all depends on our own perspective on what gambling is like, if we ourselves take gambling seriously then we will consider the victory obtained by the streamer as a reality, whether it is reality or not what is clear is that taking gambling seriously will bring a stronger attraction. But I think when they gamble using a testnet account and using real money, doesn't it look different?

What you said is true, of course those who are new to gambling or those who are still young will be easily influenced by the big wins that appear on the screen they see and that is sometimes considered easy to get, unfortunately all of that is sometimes not so in accordance with reality when we do the same thing even though we imitate the strategy from the streamer.

The difference may be there but some in this world can be fought or look more similar than what we see, this is a very sophisticated world, there are many ways that can be done to deceive people who are more stupid and not observant in their vision, sentences that are not too Complex but I think you can understand it.

In addition, marketers will also attract the attention of their consumers, especially those who easily make the bait spread out, like fish that are starving, even though you only store small bait in your fishing hook, they will eat it. Wink

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Yup, as after they collab or accept that deal with the casinos they already been paid as promoters and they don't think of anything else just the money that they will be collecting from their paychecks, if they are fuelling addiction there's nothing that they will about since doing such actions is for the person itself to control, but morality wise, knowing that there are audiences that following and watching you, being responsible should also be accounted.

The streamers only gives entertainment to audience and will not responsible to anything that will happen to them. It is the audience responsibility to always aware of the gambling addiction that can happen to them so they must not try to follow what the streamers do if they think they can not control themselves. But I agree that the streamers should have morality about what will happen to their audience so they should warn them that playing gambling needs control and don't playing gambling excessively or too often. They can say that be careful when you playing gambling and always manage your funds that you will use to playing gambling

Yeah, streamers can do that but like you mentioned it's the person itself that needed to control everything when he already involved into gambling, it's no longer in the hands of anyone when you put your feet inside this industry as you go deeper the risk is also getting higher, the influence of those streamers can lead you to learn or better to say that can lead you to be attracted with gambling but outside to that your involvement is on you, if you got addicted that's your own take and own responsibility

One of the things that could push you into gambling if you are really that a fan on trying out to look at with these things, it will really be that impossible that you cant be able to make yourself
that being hooked up on the moment that you do see these streamers specially if they would really be showcasing those huge wins on which you would really be having thoughts on trying out to
copy out on what are the current conditions or situations that they are into. There would really be those times or moments that you will be that desperately trying out to mimic into the things that they are really that been doing. Therefore, if you are that someone whose not that good when it comes to control and discipline then it will really be wise that you should really be stopping on trying out to copy
or watch these streamers.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on October 29, 2024, 02:17:03 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on October 28, 2024, 07:54:11 AM

Yup, as after they collab or accept that deal with the casinos they already been paid as promoters and they don't think of anything else just the money that they will be collecting from their paychecks, if they are fuelling addiction there's nothing that they will about since doing such actions is for the person itself to control, but morality wise, knowing that there are audiences that following and watching you, being responsible should also be accounted.

The streamers only gives entertainment to audience and will not responsible to anything that will happen to them. It is the audience responsibility to always aware of the gambling addiction that can happen to them so they must not try to follow what the streamers do if they think they can not control themselves. But I agree that the streamers should have morality about what will happen to their audience so they should warn them that playing gambling needs control and don't playing gambling excessively or too often. They can say that be careful when you playing gambling and always manage your funds that you will use to playing gambling

Yeah, streamers can do that but like you mentioned it's the person itself that needed to control everything when he already involved into gambling, it's no longer in the hands of anyone when you put your feet inside this industry as you go deeper the risk is also getting higher, the influence of those streamers can lead you to learn or better to say that can lead you to be attracted with gambling but outside to that your involvement is on you, if you got addicted that's your own take and own responsibility

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Quote from: Ricardo11 on October 29, 2024, 04:20:25 AM

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Streamers who gamble a lot live with many people watching are likely to have the goal of attracting or tempting many people to be interested and gamble at their casino, even though they don't show it, but indirectly they do it, because usually streamers show themselves getting wins that are quite surprising to many people who watch them. This is a natural thing.

Agree with what you said, whatever the streamer's goal will not affect the people who watch it if they are not serious about responding to it, viewers who take what the streamer does seriously usually will have a greater sense of interest, even though what the streamer does is actually a trick or manipulation, but for people like this they will take it seriously.

Each steamer actually highlights their wins most of the time, When streamers show their gambling, if they play 5 games they win 4 games and lose only one game. And the exciting moments of that victory create a fascination among the audience. Meanwhile, there are many viewers who keep themselves in check, do not take such videos seriously, and are not interested in imitating the tempting offers offered by those steamers. But there are some viewers who take it seriously, Seeing the victory of the steamers also arouses the spirit of gambling in their minds, watching the streams makes them want to gamble, and they also want to gamble the same way as those steamers. But they never think that, as entertaining as watching steamers win, gambling in real life is as risky. And afterwards they gambled after the manner of those steamers, and lost everything. And after losing everything then they regret.

Because in the end their goal (the streamers) does show it as their marketing considering that indirectly when they play one of the sites in plain sight of course we know that this is part of the marketing they run to attract new people so it is quite natural when they always show victory even actually drama that sometimes makes no sense with capital and bets that are too big to do without any guilt or regret at all when they lose.

So by looking at this, both people who are beginners in gambling or who already have experience should be aware that it is part of the marketing technique, it's just that when ambition and flow have been carried away they don't really think about it and try gambling from the same site even though the results we can definitely guess what it will be like.

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Quote from: nara1892 on October 27, 2024, 07:23:27 PM

Does a streamer promote pleasure or trigger addiction?

Well, I personally think that a streamer's only aim is to have an audience and convince people to do what he says, what causes addiction? I don't think so, people have their own personality, addiction occurs because the person themselves allows it because they cannot control their impulses, their emotions dominate them and unfortunately they fall into addiction, for me a streamer does what he has to do to get everyone to do what he wants, that's what he works for and that's what casino sites, exchanges, among other things, hire him for, but we as thinking beings must be clear about what is good and what is bad.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on October 29, 2024, 03:43:05 AM

Quote from: nara1892 on October 27, 2024, 07:23:27 PM

Does a streamer promote pleasure or trigger addiction? I think it really depends on how a viewer responds to the shows made by the streamers, in the sense that if you misunderstand in responding to what and how gambling is shown by the streamers then of course in the end it is very possible for you to get addicted and experience various terrible things over time, while on the other hand if you really think that the big wins that the streamers get very easily are unreasonable then one day it is very possible for you to only treat gambling with the aim of seeking pleasure, so the conclusion is to always use a rational mindset every time you see something new that you find to minimize misunderstandings so that you are safe in the long run.

Streamers who gamble a lot live with many people watching are likely to have the goal of attracting or tempting many people to be interested and gamble at their casino, even though they don't show it, but indirectly they do it, because usually streamers show themselves getting wins that are quite surprising to many people who watch them. This is a natural thing.

Agree with what you said, whatever the streamer's goal will not affect the people who watch it if they are not serious about responding to it, viewers who take what the streamer does seriously usually will have a greater sense of interest, even though what the streamer does is actually a trick or manipulation, but for people like this they will take it seriously.

Each steamer actually highlights their wins most of the time, When streamers show their gambling, if they play 5 games they win 4 games and lose only one game. And the exciting moments of that victory create a fascination among the audience. Meanwhile, there are many viewers who keep themselves in check, do not take such videos seriously, and are not interested in imitating the tempting offers offered by those steamers. But there are some viewers who take it seriously, Seeing the victory of the steamers also arouses the spirit of gambling in their minds, watching the streams makes them want to gamble, and they also want to gamble the same way as those steamers. But they never think that, as entertaining as watching steamers win, gambling in real life is as risky. And afterwards they gambled after the manner of those steamers, and lost everything. And after losing everything then they regret.

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Quote from: nara1892 on October 27, 2024, 07:23:27 PM

Does a streamer promote pleasure or trigger addiction? I think it really depends on how a viewer responds to the shows made by the streamers, in the sense that if you misunderstand in responding to what and how gambling is shown by the streamers then of course in the end it is very possible for you to get addicted and experience various terrible things over time, while on the other hand if you really think that the big wins that the streamers get very easily are unreasonable then one day it is very possible for you to only treat gambling with the aim of seeking pleasure, so the conclusion is to always use a rational mindset every time you see something new that you find to minimize misunderstandings so that you are safe in the long run.

Streamers who gamble a lot live with many people watching are likely to have the goal of attracting or tempting many people to be interested and gamble at their casino, even though they don't show it, but indirectly they do it, because usually streamers show themselves getting wins that are quite surprising to many people who watch them. This is a natural thing.

Agree with what you said, whatever the streamer's goal will not affect the people who watch it if they are not serious about responding to it, viewers who take what the streamer does seriously usually will have a greater sense of interest, even though what the streamer does is actually a trick or manipulation, but for people like this they will take it seriously.

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Quote from: Fredomago on October 28, 2024, 07:54:11 AM

Yup, as after they collab or accept that deal with the casinos they already been paid as promoters and they don't think of anything else just the money that they will be collecting from their paychecks, if they are fuelling addiction there's nothing that they will about since doing such actions is for the person itself to control, but morality wise, knowing that there are audiences that following and watching you, being responsible should also be accounted.

The streamers only gives entertainment to audience and will not responsible to anything that will happen to them. It is the audience responsibility to always aware of the gambling addiction that can happen to them so they must not try to follow what the streamers do if they think they can not control themselves. But I agree that the streamers should have morality about what will happen to their audience so they should warn them that playing gambling needs control and don't playing gambling excessively or too often. They can say that be careful when you playing gambling and always manage your funds that you will use to playing gambling

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Quote from: Akbarkoe on October 27, 2024, 05:40:04 PM

It all depends on the individual's perspective. Although some streamers may use testnet accounts and have bigger wins that are not in the form of cash, which you cannot be sure of. But what is equally important is that the viewers themselves must be aware of this considering that these shows may not always represent the reality or perception of gambling.

Because people, especially younger people are easily influenced when they see big wins or games that look 'easy' in a stream. That's when it becomes the responsibility of each individual to be able to answer that it is just a show and the wins in the process may not be entirely honest or may have been rigged. Awareness not to get caught up in the illusion of big wins or instant promises must always be emphasized so that every viewer can make the right decision and not be carried away by the perception

I agree with you, it all depends on our own perspective on what gambling is like, if we ourselves take gambling seriously then we will consider the victory obtained by the streamer as a reality, whether it is reality or not what is clear is that taking gambling seriously will bring a stronger attraction. But I think when they gamble using a testnet account and using real money, doesn't it look different?

What you said is true, of course those who are new to gambling or those who are still young will be easily influenced by the big wins that appear on the screen they see and that is sometimes considered easy to get, unfortunately all of that is sometimes not so in accordance with reality when we do the same thing even though we imitate the strategy from the streamer.

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Quote from: Weawant on October 27, 2024, 06:09:58 PM

These streamers do have a strategy to recycle money so as to stay in the game which they don't show to fans always and fans get stocked and rather addicted than winning.

The correct term is "commissions", and not recycled money.

These commissions are coming from those gamblers who signed up using their referral link. That's why most of the popular streamers right now have huge amounts of money in their gambling account. There's one famous streamer said in a podcast that "He's getting huge money from commissions, but he's still investing his own money in addition to the commissions that he's getting." He's not addicted at all, and he also is saying to the public that "If you can't afford to lose when gambling, don't gamble at all." He might be promoting gambling in his channel, but still, he's preventing his viewers to get addicted.

Getting addicted is our decision. We can watch them, but we will be the one to decide whether we will gamble like them, or you will just watch them win and be happy with their winnings.

The aftermath of gambling depends on the person himself, whether he will treat this as for fun/entertainment or will be addicted to it. However, users should be very careful on how they will go about this activity as gambling can easily make a person addicted to it. At the end of the day, it is the individual himself who can assess his situation and decide whether he will traverse the addiction or he can contain his gambling activities.

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but it was known that a large part of his audience are teenagers and I think that is highly problematic.

That is the point we most talked about here how the social media influencers are promoting teenagers in to gambling too soon, undoubtedly the Internet is a public place that can be very accessable by any one but however, parents has a major role of given enough guidance as to this regards to let their under age get proper awareness and the risks involvement when it comes to gambling since if they under age could get the best of this gambling risk campaign on time surely they will do apparently very well when they grow up.

By tempting teenagers to try to have fun in gambling, they will difficult to avoids that especially if they see the streamers wins a huge money in the games. The streamers can show their video winning big money in slot so when teenagers see about that, they will thinks that they can get the same things. With the development of the internet and availability in many places makes teenagers can access an online gambling easily. They can playing gambling because of seeing the tempting gambling video and their curiosity will makes them try to playing gambling. In the first time, they may win some money so that can makes them lure to come back in the next days. But the scenario will not the same as what they imagine because in the next days, they will start lose or break even when playing gambling and makes their curiosity becomes bigger.

Unfortunately, teenagers often see the world differently than we, adults. They are full of naivety and maximalism. They want everything at once, and of course, this is immediately punished by the rules of the harsh adult world. Teenagers are ready to believe in fairy tales about quick money, but in reality, if no one warns them, they will be deceived. Gambling does not like the naive.

Most teenagers failed in gambling because of lack of experience and the curiosity to make fast profits from gambling.
The well experienced gamblers know that it's not everytime winnings come to them and they are always prepared for the time when things might not go as planned. Teenagers will always been influenced by streamers and would want to have similar results on what they are seeing without knowing that Many of these influencers are paid promoters of the gambling sites they are promoting online faking most of the winnings.

Therefore, we as friends and parents or relatives should have a strong influence on them. Those who are not indifferent to us. We should be more authorities in the eyes of our relatives teenagers than streamers who show their fake luck and try to sell it as a clean coin. To do this, you need to work on yourself and have the strongest self-control, as well as be an example of moral fortitude.

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Quote from: Weawant on October 27, 2024, 06:09:58 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on October 26, 2024, 06:25:25 PM

Great point, and that imagination brings hope to those people who are hoping to experienced that same outcome, but unfortunately instead of earning or winning most of them will just fall into addiction where the casino will earned most of the favor, it brings engagements and participation from people who supposedly not trying it, but because of being fanatics and being involved to the fan base of those streamers they'll catch the interest and become a victims.

Actually some of the streamers may be working for the casinos, so if they promote addiction or not, it may not matter to them really, they are just rendering a paid service. Streamer literally do push traffic to these sites which for them means more money and like you stated it's very much possible the fan based if the streams who has benefited a few times will drive the traffic with his fan base so it's left to them to place a control on their staking methods. These streamers do have a strategy to recycle money so as to stay in the game which they don't show to fans always and fans get stocked and rather addicted than winning.

Yup, as after they collab or accept that deal with the casinos they already been paid as promoters and they don't think of anything else just the money that they will be collecting from their paychecks, if they are fuelling addiction there's nothing that they will about since doing such actions is for the person itself to control, but morality wise, knowing that there are audiences that following and watching you, being responsible should also be accounted.

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Quote from: Weawant on October 27, 2024, 06:09:58 PM

These streamers do have a strategy to recycle money so as to stay in the game which they don't show to fans always and fans get stocked and rather addicted than winning.

The correct term is "commissions", and not recycled money.

These commissions are coming from those gamblers who signed up using their referral link. That's why most of the popular streamers right now have huge amounts of money in their gambling account. There's one famous streamer said in a podcast that "He's getting huge money from commissions, but he's still investing his own money in addition to the commissions that he's getting." He's not addicted at all, and he also is saying to the public that "If you can't afford to lose when gambling, don't gamble at all." He might be promoting gambling in his channel, but still, he's preventing his viewers to get addicted.

Getting addicted is our decision. We can watch them, but we will be the one to decide whether we will gamble like them, or you will just watch them win and be happy with their winnings.

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Quote from: Weawant on October 27, 2024, 06:09:58 PM

These streamers do have a strategy to recycle money so as to stay in the game which they don't show to fans always and fans get stocked and rather addicted than winning.

Recycle money? Could they have been made gamblers with tons of big wins that ended up collaborating with casinos through promotion. Additionally, they kind of explain gambling virtually to their viewers but a lot of them get it the wrong way. Which is trying to mimick the streamer instead of doing things their own way. The huge money they wager real or cooked up, isn't all they've got.

At least the video doesn't include where the influencer is sad over losing all his funds. Viewers are always required to play according to what they're able to afford.

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Does a streamer promote pleasure or trigger addiction? I think it really depends on how a viewer responds to the shows made by the streamers, in the sense that if you misunderstand in responding to what and how gambling is shown by the streamers then of course in the end it is very possible for you to get addicted and experience various terrible things over time, while on the other hand if you really think that the big wins that the streamers get very easily are unreasonable then one day it is very possible for you to only treat gambling with the aim of seeking pleasure, so the conclusion is to always use a rational mindset every time you see something new that you find to minimize misunderstandings so that you are safe in the long run.

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Quote from: Fredomago on October 26, 2024, 06:25:25 PM

Great point, and that imagination brings hope to those people who are hoping to experienced that same outcome, but unfortunately instead of earning or winning most of them will just fall into addiction where the casino will earned most of the favor, it brings engagements and participation from people who supposedly not trying it, but because of being fanatics and being involved to the fan base of those streamers they'll catch the interest and become a victims.

Actually some of the streamers may be working for the casinos, so if they promote addiction or not, it may not matter to them really, they are just rendering a paid service. Streamer literally do push traffic to these sites which for them means more money and like you stated it's very much possible the fan based if the streams who has benefited a few times will drive the traffic with his fan base so it's left to them to place a control on their staking methods. These streamers do have a strategy to recycle money so as to stay in the game which they don't show to fans always and fans get stocked and rather addicted than winning.

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on October 21, 2024, 06:31:29 PM

I just want to ask what you can say about most streamers right now who stream their activities on gambling like playing different kinds of gambling games like slot, baccarat, poker, etc. LIVE on their different social media platforms.

Here in the Philippines, a lot of big personalities in social media started to play gambling live using their platform, even if they were not that really into gambling before, most of you will see them start to play and for sure it's their promotion.

But a lot of people are saying that they are using fake accounts, like a testnet account with fake balance inside so they can use it to play and live it, how true is this?

Another thing I'm concerned about is their audience because for sure, most of their followers will see their stream and some of them are minor, is this also fine?

It all depends on the individual's perspective. Although some streamers may use testnet accounts and have bigger wins that are not in the form of cash, which you cannot be sure of. But what is equally important is that the viewers themselves must be aware of this considering that these shows may not always represent the reality or perception of gambling.

Because people, especially younger people are easily influenced when they see big wins or games that look 'easy' in a stream. That's when it becomes the responsibility of each individual to be able to answer that it is just a show and the wins in the process may not be entirely honest or may have been rigged. Awareness not to get caught up in the illusion of big wins or instant promises must always be emphasized so that every viewer can make the right decision and not be carried away by the perception

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