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Quote from: Orpichukwu on December 15, 2024, 04:52:32 PM

Game streamers are actively streaming because they want to learn how to play the game and also because they are interested in the game. The more they are watching it, the more they will learn how to use some of the tools, like COD.

We learn how to play it online from streamers; the same thing is also a bit applicable with those who are streaming casino games. Streamers find love in it based on how the streamers display winning all the time; even if full tips on how to win the game are not being displayed, they still find a means to convince themselves to try the game anyway.

Meanwhile the streamers are streaming because they are making some good money off it so they keep their audience glued all the time. And of a truth people do stream to learn about some futures they didn't know about on a game and to get better at the game but it still doesn't eliminate addiction gotten of trying to be pro at the game, most times the gamers my get addicted trying so hard to learn because they will have to consistently play to be able to perfect their skills around some of the things they will be learning streeming.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on December 14, 2024, 08:26:52 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on December 12, 2024, 09:15:33 AM

Who is watching those streamers anyway? I know that people watch videogames streams, because they cant afford to buy a game, or their PC cant run it, or they dont have a device for gaming at all. Those people watch videogames streams because they are interested in gameplay, plot, graphics. From gambling streams people cant get much. Streamer wont show gambling strategy with 100% win rate, if he wins, a person who watches gets nothing, gambling gameplay isnt most exciting thing to watch. What left is streamers charisma. Streamers charm is why people watch gambling streams imho. That is why I would answer "promoting fun".

Well, you might think that no body is watching them but there are a lot of gamblers watching and some people watching them are also non gamblers who got motivated to start gambling believing that they are going to win just the way those streamers are winning which if they get into gambling and didn't see those wins coming, they could get addicted.

Most of these streamers and gambling influencers are in the vague of making consistent money for themselves without considering who is affected by their gambling influence and activities. Many streamers are not even chronic gamblers and they know how to make their games looks quite inviting to everyone that is ready to keep an attentive ears. Every gamblers need to use their head because streamers should not be held responsible for our own mistakes or gambling activities. Those streamers are there to make life better for themselves while we should also take our gambling interest moderate and not too excessive.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on December 12, 2024, 09:15:33 AM

Who is watching those streamers anyway? I know that people watch videogames streams, because they cant afford to buy a game, or their PC cant run it, or they dont have a device for gaming at all. Those people watch videogames streams because they are interested in gameplay, plot, graphics. From gambling streams people cant get much. Streamer wont show gambling strategy with 100% win rate, if he wins, a person who watches gets nothing, gambling gameplay isnt most exciting thing to watch. What left is streamers charisma. Streamers charm is why people watch gambling streams imho. That is why I would answer "promoting fun".

Game streamers are actively streaming because they want to learn how to play the game and also because they are interested in the game. The more they are watching it, the more they will learn how to use some of the tools, like COD.

We learn how to play it online from streamers; the same thing is also a bit applicable with those who are streaming casino games. Streamers find love in it based on how the streamers display winning all the time; even if full tips on how to win the game are not being displayed, they still find a means to convince themselves to try the game anyway.

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Quote from: jossiel on December 14, 2024, 06:08:32 PM

That is true, there are streamers that of course gamble for their own pleasure and uses real money and not just some fake money or balance provided by the sponsor that they have.

I think whether they use not or real money, the emotional being of their audience is being set and we have to watch ourselves out because out of the fun that they provide to everyone, that's how we trigger ourselves with and becomes attracted that we want to gamble because of them.

It's fun that grows into addiction in most cases. Some streamers might just start out on the ground of having fun be it with fake or real money and over time they get overwhelmed by the fun and excitement especially when there is a recorded case of aega win. And in such cases the eagerness to engage more for a possible happy ending and turns out they get trapped in their own quest make a big blow and end up in addiction.

Anything that involves consistency grows into addiction over time. I also have this notion that anything that has money involved must have emotional attachment. The anxiety to win, the fear of losing, the consciousness of trying to make right choices. I mean the list is long and unending and at the end it turns out into addiction if not properly managed

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on December 15, 2024, 10:35:12 AM

Quote from: jossiel on December 14, 2024, 06:08:32 PM

That is true, there are streamers that of course gamble for their own pleasure and uses real money and not just some fake money or balance provided by the sponsor that they have.

I think whether they use not or real money, the emotional being of their audience is being set and we have to watch ourselves out because out of the fun that they provide to everyone, that's how we trigger ourselves with and becomes attracted that we want to gamble because of them.

Yes, it means we don't have to pay attention or investigate whether the streamer is broadcasting using real money or a demo account, because the scenarios can be different, or it could be that the casino provides the capital as a form of facility, or it could be that it is the streamer's personal money but will be replaced many times over by the casino after the agreement ends, so what we have to focus on here is the impact of the broadcast on the audience, which is certainly as you said that the emotions and pleasure that occur in the streamer in the broadcast can certainly trigger an increase in dopamine levels, confidence and trust in themselves and the minds of the audience, such as motivating and providing solutions to overcome financial problems, but clearly that is a lie, so this is the reason why we are always advised to use common sense and a rational point of view every time we find new things.

Most of the casinos that have sponsorship to the streamers, they're giving out balance. But I don't know if they're allowing them to withdraw it so it is working kind of a play money for demo purposes.

That's why I admire more those streamers that are using real money and gambles wherever they want without having any sponsorship from any casino.

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Quote from: junder on December 15, 2024, 10:00:14 AM

Quote from: Koadharber on December 13, 2024, 11:03:06 PM

But it is really that hard to believe that they will really be that using their own money to play gambling or doing up their job because it will really be that understandable that they do really know that they are really that dealing up with something which is really that very risky or really that relies on luck. It is really that hard to believe or something impossible that they will really be that making use of their own money which its really unbelievable. They are really that doing this job because they are really that indeed wanting to earn money on which this is really that their job on doing so and they cant be able to spend out their own money just to do their job. Its totally contradictory.

Previously, I myself did not believe that they used their own money to gamble in large amounts, but I found several accounts that did use their own money, in the live broadcast I saw a young man who gambled by openly asking his mother to pray for him so that he could get a big win in the gambling he did that time, although his mother answered a little annoyed but he did it. This makes me think that maybe he is a rich person so his gambling also uses his own money.

Some streamers may aim to get many people interested in gambling at the casino they are promoting, but I think there are also those who do it with their own money to increase their own popularity, and if they succeed, they seem to get cooperation with the casino that sees it.

Possible, as they wanted to get the attention of the site though if they are using their own money and addiction triggers that will bring a big problem to them, knowing that in gambling there's always a chance that you'll going to get deep and your engagement will ruin your finances, that's another thing though as instead of getting the attention of the site and get the opportunities to promote them, when they see that you are losing decent amount of money they'll just let you keep playing and lose more.

Streamers most of the time use their popularities and like how the topic said they fueling gambling to those who don't have any idea and to those who follows them that already engage with gambling, the main intension is to work with the site nd use their play money to gain more people to watch and follow you to use the gambling site offer services.

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Quote from: jossiel on December 14, 2024, 06:08:32 PM

Quote from: Dewi Aries on December 14, 2024, 05:02:16 AM

Yes, that's just one case and it's not always like that, or I mean not all streamers always find it easy to win, but the majority of them do more shows with various things that look very tempting, one of which is the ease of winning.

On the other hand, I don't know if what you said is true or not about some streamers who do gambling shows using real money, but what is certain is that more of them use fake money and also if it is true that they use real money then in my opinion maybe it is money that has been provided by the casino as a facility for streamers.

Yups the idea in your last paragraph is right about common sense, and I will say another reason why we should always be wise and use common sense when assessing various new things that we find, namely so that we are not wrong in concluding and making decisions, in my opinion the point is regardless of whether the streamer gambles using play money or real money, the point is if for example they gamble while doing shows and also include a site link, then that means they are doing a promotion.

That is true, there are streamers that of course gamble for their own pleasure and uses real money and not just some fake money or balance provided by the sponsor that they have.

I think whether they use not or real money, the emotional being of their audience is being set and we have to watch ourselves out because out of the fun that they provide to everyone, that's how we trigger ourselves with and becomes attracted that we want to gamble because of them.

Yes, it means we don't have to pay attention or investigate whether the streamer is broadcasting using real money or a demo account, because the scenarios can be different, or it could be that the casino provides the capital as a form of facility, or it could be that it is the streamer's personal money but will be replaced many times over by the casino after the agreement ends, so what we have to focus on here is the impact of the broadcast on the audience, which is certainly as you said that the emotions and pleasure that occur in the streamer in the broadcast can certainly trigger an increase in dopamine levels, confidence and trust in themselves and the minds of the audience, such as motivating and providing solutions to overcome financial problems, but clearly that is a lie, so this is the reason why we are always advised to use common sense and a rational point of view every time we find new things.

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Quote from: Koadharber on December 13, 2024, 11:03:06 PM

But it is really that hard to believe that they will really be that using their own money to play gambling or doing up their job because it will really be that understandable that they do really know that they are really that dealing up with something which is really that very risky or really that relies on luck. It is really that hard to believe or something impossible that they will really be that making use of their own money which its really unbelievable. They are really that doing this job because they are really that indeed wanting to earn money on which this is really that their job on doing so and they cant be able to spend out their own money just to do their job. Its totally contradictory.

Previously, I myself did not believe that they used their own money to gamble in large amounts, but I found several accounts that did use their own money, in the live broadcast I saw a young man who gambled by openly asking his mother to pray for him so that he could get a big win in the gambling he did that time, although his mother answered a little annoyed but he did it. This makes me think that maybe he is a rich person so his gambling also uses his own money.

Some streamers may aim to get many people interested in gambling at the casino they are promoting, but I think there are also those who do it with their own money to increase their own popularity, and if they succeed, they seem to get cooperation with the casino that sees it.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on December 14, 2024, 05:02:16 AM

Quote from: jossiel on December 13, 2024, 05:40:51 PM

That is one case that we can conclude but I can also say that not all of them are like that.

There tends to be those who are real, really gambling with their real balance and not just some play money given by their sponsored casino.

We have to make our common sense so that we won't be too emotional.

Yes, that's just one case and it's not always like that, or I mean not all streamers always find it easy to win, but the majority of them do more shows with various things that look very tempting, one of which is the ease of winning.

On the other hand, I don't know if what you said is true or not about some streamers who do gambling shows using real money, but what is certain is that more of them use fake money and also if it is true that they use real money then in my opinion maybe it is money that has been provided by the casino as a facility for streamers.

Yups the idea in your last paragraph is right about common sense, and I will say another reason why we should always be wise and use common sense when assessing various new things that we find, namely so that we are not wrong in concluding and making decisions, in my opinion the point is regardless of whether the streamer gambles using play money or real money, the point is if for example they gamble while doing shows and also include a site link, then that means they are doing a promotion.

That is true, there are streamers that of course gamble for their own pleasure and uses real money and not just some fake money or balance provided by the sponsor that they have.

I think whether they use not or real money, the emotional being of their audience is being set and we have to watch ourselves out because out of the fun that they provide to everyone, that's how we trigger ourselves with and becomes attracted that we want to gamble because of them.

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Quote from: Hispo on December 14, 2024, 12:42:16 PM

Quote from: Woodie on December 14, 2024, 08:54:40 AM

First and foremost, streamers choose what or who to promote and that's their choice because we all know it's about the money for them.

Secondly, streamers can't be solely responsible for fueling addiction because the industry expects users to be of a certain age to make informed decisions as an adult!!!.

To me it is quite unfair how some people dare to judge steamers based on what they advertise or promote, for example, some weeks ago there were streamers who were promoting a game called "Concord" which was pretty much a bad game and one of the biggest flops in the game industry, and yet they were paid to promote and say it was a pretty good addicting game for everyone to enjoy.
Being a streamer or an influencer is not easy, it means one is self-employed and one needs to carefully decide which sponsors who is going to accept and which ones one will turn away. Those streamers we are rather new and with a small number of viewers are in more pressure to accept being sponsored by casinos and gambling platforms, they are the ones which offer the most money and they ones which pay more attention to the community of streamers in the making.
I have seen 1xbet being sponsoring small YouTube channels which did not have anything to do with gambling, for example.

Whether one is an adult and has access to internet is quite irrelevant to the issue as it stands for now, though. It is very easy to cheat one's age in this modern era, even though KYC seems to be everywhere, it has not been applied yet in streaming and video services like YT.

IMO, me who grow in bitcointalk for years promoting gambling platforms also aware with this kind of judgement. It will always depend on the person if they will bite the promotion, it's also not about in gambling, it's also in general, you buy something that looks cool or awesome that's promoted by a celebrity or streamers but in reality, it's not and can affect something in yourself. The hypocrisy of people in social media is really insane and people should learn that not all in social media should be believed or considered, we have our own minds to analyze what's good or bad to us.

I hate those people who acts godly in social media like they didn't play any gambling platform or maybe they're just jealous because the streamers receiving huge payout from a gambling platform.

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 05, 2024, 05:06:53 PM

Since that they already have money they don't need those ads and they wanted to protect their integrity, unlike with those other streamers where they are just aiming to earn views and visits they are all concerned about making money, most of those don't have any care about their viewers as long as they are receiving their rewards then they'll continue streaming videos and highlights those good side of the casino to gain more people to use the site and probably earn more money.

Yes, you're right, well I don't understand some streamers, because they can easily make a channel on tik tok and from there the money is more direct, they get people who can give it to them for doing their lives, in fact that social network is the most viral of all, so if they are looking for money they should focus on that one where they can monetize the most, there is no doubt about that, it can be said that if they already have some fame there it is very good.

Current streamers already have a lot of competition, they are already known and apart from that they have to create an audience, a community and that is very difficult, the strategies are many but the path is not easy.

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Quote from: Hispo on December 14, 2024, 12:42:16 PM

Being a streamer or an influencer is not easy, it means one is self-employed and one needs to carefully decide which sponsors who is going to accept and which ones one will turn away.

Coming to think of it, the streamers with small numbers are more likely targets to accept advertising anything because firstly they get paid for their time and lastly they don't care about their followers because their numbers are small .

Quote from: Hispo on December 14, 2024, 12:42:16 PM

Those streamers we are rather new and with a small number of viewers are in more pressure to accept being sponsored by casinos and gambling platforms, they are the ones which offer the most money and they ones which pay more attention to the community of streamers in the making.

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Quote from: Hispo on December 14, 2024, 12:42:16 PM

I have seen 1xbet being sponsoring small YouTube channels which did not have anything to do with gambling, for example.

1xbet is aggressive that's for sure...here on the internet they might have a bad name but out there in the real world, people praise these guys with their incentives and all...

And the worst part is using people that have no idea about gambling and getting into a niche that has innocent people...guess this industry needs some kind of regulations to keep the innocent innocent.

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Quote from: Woodie on December 14, 2024, 08:54:40 AM

First and foremost, streamers choose what or who to promote and that's their choice because we all know it's about the money for them.

Secondly, streamers can't be solely responsible for fueling addiction because the industry expects users to be of a certain age to make informed decisions as an adult!!!.

To me it is quite unfair how some people dare to judge steamers based on what they advertise or promote, for example, some weeks ago there were streamers who were promoting a game called "Concord" which was pretty much a bad game and one of the biggest flops in the game industry, and yet they were paid to promote and say it was a pretty good addicting game for everyone to enjoy.
Being a streamer or an influencer is not easy, it means one is self-employed and one needs to carefully decide which sponsors who is going to accept and which ones one will turn away. Those streamers we are rather new and with a small number of viewers are in more pressure to accept being sponsored by casinos and gambling platforms, they are the ones which offer the most money and they ones which pay more attention to the community of streamers in the making.
I have seen 1xbet being sponsoring small YouTube channels which did not have anything to do with gambling, for example.

Whether one is an adult and has access to internet is quite irrelevant to the issue as it stands for now, though. It is very easy to cheat one's age in this modern era, even though KYC seems to be everywhere, it has not been applied yet in streaming and video services like YT.

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Quote from: Woodie on December 14, 2024, 08:54:40 AM

Secondly, streamers can't be solely responsible for fueling addiction because the industry expects users to be of a certain age to make informed decisions as an adult!!! And if am not mistaken most gambling platforms have something in their T&Cs to do with self exclusion, and this being an entertainment industry..something in those lines..

If we look at it from a perspective that makes winning in gambling way too easy, then you could say they pretty much surprise level of attachment towards gambling from its viewers.

You know, here is this space where it’s highly criticized by so many that are oblivious and ignorant to gambling, having to tell you all about it and it’s always losses. Then you stream some of these guys making it seem easy before your eyes, you’re most likely going to pick up courage, every time you stream, you get more courages to make risky bets.

Either way, it’s always up to you being the gambler to make informed decision on how to go.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on December 14, 2024, 08:26:52 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on December 12, 2024, 09:15:33 AM

Who is watching those streamers anyway? I know that people watch videogames streams, because they cant afford to buy a game, or their PC cant run it, or they dont have a device for gaming at all. Those people watch videogames streams because they are interested in gameplay, plot, graphics. From gambling streams people cant get much. Streamer wont show gambling strategy with 100% win rate, if he wins, a person who watches gets nothing, gambling gameplay isnt most exciting thing to watch. What left is streamers charisma. Streamers charm is why people watch gambling streams imho. That is why I would answer "promoting fun".

Well, you might think that no body is watching them but there are a lot of gamblers watching and some people watching them are also non gamblers who got motivated to start gambling believing that they are going to win just the way those streamers are winning which if they get into gambling and didn't see those wins coming, they could get addicted.

The mistakes some people do is that they have believed on those streamers that are just promoting a casino, that when they start gambling they will use the pattern the promoter said on the video. Well those gamblers should know that the promoters don't have anything to lose. Sometimes they share their invite code or promo codes online for new gamblers to use and when a new gambler successfully signed up, after he or she receives his or her first bonus through the promocode he used and successfully withdraw, if he's a greedy gambler, he will deposit again and continue gambling and that's how lose chasing starts

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First and foremost, streamers choose what or who to promote and that's their choice because we all know it's about the money for them.

Secondly, streamers can't be solely responsible for fueling addiction because the industry expects users to be of a certain age to make informed decisions as an adult!!! And if am not mistaken most gambling platforms have something in their T&Cs to do with self exclusion, and this being an entertainment industry..something in those lines..

And btw, if someone wins big do these same streamers get the same credit as the addiction finger pointing that goes on Huh

I thought so, everyone should be responsible for their decisions and not a third party.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on December 14, 2024, 08:26:52 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on December 12, 2024, 09:15:33 AM

Who is watching those streamers anyway? I know that people watch videogames streams, because they cant afford to buy a game, or their PC cant run it, or they dont have a device for gaming at all. Those people watch videogames streams because they are interested in gameplay, plot, graphics. From gambling streams people cant get much. Streamer wont show gambling strategy with 100% win rate, if he wins, a person who watches gets nothing, gambling gameplay isnt most exciting thing to watch. What left is streamers charisma. Streamers charm is why people watch gambling streams imho. That is why I would answer "promoting fun".

Well, you might think that no body is watching them but there are a lot of gamblers watching and some people watching them are also non gamblers who got motivated to start gambling believing that they are going to win just the way those streamers are winning which if they get into gambling and didn't see those wins coming, they could get addicted.

That's the real target of streamers where those who don't know and are not aware will fall for their casino promotion where their other followers will sign-up under their referral link. Because as far as I know, those streamers didn't actually promote gambling casinos before.

Then when they had a lot of followers, gambling advertisers contacted streamers who had 100,000 or more followers and offered them a large amount that the streamers would have a hard time refusing. And most of their target followers were ML (mobile legends) gamers and some at Ragnarok players.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on December 12, 2024, 09:15:33 AM

Who is watching those streamers anyway? I know that people watch videogames streams, because they cant afford to buy a game, or their PC cant run it, or they dont have a device for gaming at all. Those people watch videogames streams because they are interested in gameplay, plot, graphics. From gambling streams people cant get much. Streamer wont show gambling strategy with 100% win rate, if he wins, a person who watches gets nothing, gambling gameplay isnt most exciting thing to watch. What left is streamers charisma. Streamers charm is why people watch gambling streams imho. That is why I would answer "promoting fun".

Well, you might think that no body is watching them but there are a lot of gamblers watching and some people watching them are also non gamblers who got motivated to start gambling believing that they are going to win just the way those streamers are winning which if they get into gambling and didn't see those wins coming, they could get addicted.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on December 14, 2024, 05:39:00 AM

The majority of streamers, if we are just going by facts, do not actually use their own money to gamble at the casino they are promoting. There are only two ways they make money there. First, they get paid for advertising and second, they have referral bonuses for any of their followers who sign up under their link at the casino.

Maybe if there are any who are actually playing, it is the money they will gamble with and it is guaranteed to be a large amount, but they will only show a small amount because most of the time they are really just using a demo account.

I do agree with most people sentiments or opinions that they will not be using their own money for them to gamble while doing their job, not unless if they will really be that having some reimbursement on the amount that you have used but this is unlikely or not that happening because most of them will really be funded or been provided by the company. Fueling addiction turned out to be true at the time or moment that you will really be that going along into the emotions that you are really that currently feeling on at the time or moment that you do play gambling. Its not really that bad if to gamble on which this one really that needed up to have that control.

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Quote from: jossiel on December 13, 2024, 05:40:51 PM

That is one case that we can conclude but I can also say that not all of them are like that.

There tends to be those who are real, really gambling with their real balance and not just some play money given by their sponsored casino.

We have to make our common sense so that we won't be too emotional.

Of course, there are also those who use their own real money, and maybe their main goal is to want their personal account to become popular with many people following them and becoming their followers because after that there will be benefits that they can get, but maybe with those who have a very large balance and also with a very large bet amount, not all streamers use their real money, I just can't understand why they dare to use a large bet amount and allocate a large amount of money if it is real money. In addition, you must have seen where there are streamers who put a gambling watermark on their screens besides that they provide gambling links that have been prepared for their viewers who are interested in gambling, this is one of the profit-making strategies that they do.

But it is really that hard to believe that they will really be that using their own money to play gambling or doing up their job because it will really be that understandable that they do really know that they are really that dealing up with something which is really that very risky or really that relies on luck. It is really that hard to believe or something impossible that they will really be that making use of their own money which its really unbelievable. They are really that doing this job because they are really that indeed wanting to earn money on which this is really that their job on doing so and they cant be able to spend out their own money just to do their job. Its totally contradictory.

The majority of streamers, if we are just going by facts, do not actually use their own money to gamble at the casino they are promoting. There are only two ways they make money there. First, they get paid for advertising and second, they have referral bonuses for any of their followers who sign up under their link at the casino.

Maybe if there are any who are actually playing, it is the money they will gamble with and it is guaranteed to be a large amount, but they will only show a small amount because most of the time they are really just using a demo account.

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