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legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
About that power issue, I was informed that it was measured on LTC . The problem is not the pool you're using but the current difficulty and coin type. The higher the difficulty the more power the machine needs.
Early gridseeds had exactly the same issue , having different power draw depending on the coin you're mining.

I was also assured that if you have a faulty hardware you can return it and have it refunded, so I'm sorry but I don't see an issue here.

I also fail to see a connection with them and BFL. They said they'll deliver and they did, if you got the hardware a day or 2 later, there is really no issue, most online stores reserve at least a week for this.
And as I said before you can return the hardware if you want. As for your time, imagine you go to a store, buy something, come back home and don't like it, go back to return and request money for your lost time Cheesy Are you serious?


Then why is my Falcon pulling 1100 Watts from the wall for mining CGA with stabilized diff of 2 and net hashrate of 180-200MH?? Big difference than the HUGE difficulty of LTC.....

Say what? You own a Falcon. And its running at 180-200MHz?  wtf?

I'll clarify. CGA net hashrate is 180-200MH/s.  Going to be testing starcoin with net hash of 50MH/s to see what power draw is for a REALLY low diff coin. Any less net hashrate than that runs risk of 51% from my asic.

my falcon does 24-28MH, btw. waiting to see if they release promised patch before I decide to return it or not.

A) I believe you own a falcon.
B) I believe you when you post numbers like 1100 watts
C) My guess if all coins will mine at a 950 to 1150 watt  number in the 24mh-28mh range  .

 which at best would be 33 watts  an mh. 
please tell me the make and model of your psu.

 I have a 1300 watt evga psu  gold  rating a stud psu .  If you have an equal let us know.

 You may have a poor qualit psu which would account for as much as 100 of those 1100 watts.

you may have a high watt pc setup which would be  40 or 50 extra watts.   

 but  it seems to me  at best you are going to get to is 900 plus watts.  for the falcon alone.

I am in the process of getting more gridseed blades .

  I may go to 5 of them.

 that would be close to an exact match of your falcon.

 we can point the gear at the same pool.

say wemineltc   ltc only   and see if you do 1000-1100 watts  for 28mh  and if I do 420 watts for 26mh



newbie
Activity: 14
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About that power issue, I was informed that it was measured on LTC . The problem is not the pool you're using but the current difficulty and coin type. The higher the difficulty the more power the machine needs.
Early gridseeds had exactly the same issue , having different power draw depending on the coin you're mining.

I was also assured that if you have a faulty hardware you can return it and have it refunded, so I'm sorry but I don't see an issue here.

I also fail to see a connection with them and BFL. They said they'll deliver and they did, if you got the hardware a day or 2 later, there is really no issue, most online stores reserve at least a week for this.
And as I said before you can return the hardware if you want. As for your time, imagine you go to a store, buy something, come back home and don't like it, go back to return and request money for your lost time Cheesy Are you serious?


Then why is my Falcon pulling 1100 Watts from the wall for mining CGA with stabilized diff of 2 and net hashrate of 180-200MH?? Big difference than the HUGE difficulty of LTC.....

Say what? You own a Falcon. And its running at 180-200MHz?  wtf?

I'll clarify. CGA net hashrate is 180-200MH/s.  Going to be testing starcoin with net hash of 50MH/s to see what power draw is for a REALLY low diff coin. Any less net hashrate than that runs risk of 51% from my asic.

my falcon does 24-28MH, btw. waiting to see if they release promised patch before I decide to return it or not.

OK. Would you mind posting a photo of your falcon? Im not calling you out, I just want to see a photo of an actual falcon. What date did you receive it and what date was it ordered?

Thanks
hero member
Activity: 938
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@halofirebtc
About that power issue, I was informed that it was measured on LTC . The problem is not the pool you're using but the current difficulty and coin type. The higher the difficulty the more power the machine needs.
Early gridseeds had exactly the same issue , having different power draw depending on the coin you're mining.

I was also assured that if you have a faulty hardware you can return it and have it refunded, so I'm sorry but I don't see an issue here.

I also fail to see a connection with them and BFL. They said they'll deliver and they did, if you got the hardware a day or 2 later, there is really no issue, most online stores reserve at least a week for this.
And as I said before you can return the hardware if you want. As for your time, imagine you go to a store, buy something, come back home and don't like it, go back to return and request money for your lost time Cheesy Are you serious?


Then why is my Falcon pulling 1100 Watts from the wall for mining CGA with stabilized diff of 2 and net hashrate of 180-200MH?? Big difference than the HUGE difficulty of LTC.....

Say what? You own a Falcon. And its running at 180-200MHz?  wtf?

I'll clarify. CGA net hashrate is 180-200MH/s.  Going to be testing starcoin with net hash of 50MH/s to see what power draw is for a REALLY low diff coin. Any less net hashrate than that runs risk of 51% from my asic.

my falcon does 24-28MH, btw. waiting to see if they release promised patch before I decide to return it or not.
legendary
Activity: 4256
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'The right to privacy matters'
look this is simple enough.  if you purchased and think you are cheated send the gear in and get a refund.


For me  I hesitated on all the  new gear. 

I never purchased anything from gaw but gridseeds.. 

Had some hitches which they fixed.   In fact they sent a batch of old gridseed 5 chip units  which were dead.  They gave me a store credit and  i purchased a members only ant miner s-1 for 299 usd  minus the 250 credit.  came new and mines fine.


Then the shit hit the fan.   For me as a dedicated miner  Zeus gear seems to pull 30-40 watts an mh.  while gridseed blades pull 16-18 watts an mh on a plat psu.

Since they cost close to the same   in dollar per mh    .  for now I am picking gridseed blades.

I did order this  from gaw today as it is good gear for blades


http://www.gawminers.com/6-pin-pcie-to-3-x-2-1mm-barrel-tip-power-cable/

  my advice if you are buying gear to mine in your house buy a gridseed blade from zoomhash. buy the power cable from gawminers.  use a plat psu to power the gear.  NUFF said!
hero member
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I have to say that they had thousands of customers, and you were having issues from the beginning. You were offered a refund and didn't want it. You came angry, calling them scam because your package was 1 day late. I asked you politely to sit and wait for just 1 day, you agreed, but just couldn't leave it alone and came back few hours later repeating the same thing.
You said you were talked to Josh and reached an agreement, but it seems your agreements don't last longer than few hours.
To me it looks like you're enjoying this.

Yep, pretty much this.
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500
Small Red and Bad
About that power issue, I was informed that it was measured on LTC . The problem is not the pool you're using but the current difficulty and coin type. The higher the difficulty the more power the machine needs.
Early gridseeds had exactly the same issue , having different power draw depending on the coin you're mining.

I was also assured that if you have a faulty hardware you can return it and have it refunded, so I'm sorry but I don't see an issue here.

I also fail to see a connection with them and BFL. They said they'll deliver and they did, if you got the hardware a day or 2 later, there is really no issue, most online stores reserve at least a week for this.
And as I said before you can return the hardware if you want. As for your time, imagine you go to a store, buy something, come back home and don't like it, go back to return and request money for your lost time Cheesy Are you serious?


Every bit of evidence we have points to a long running operation of fraud by GAW and/or Zeus.  Looks like both.  Zeus advertises their hardware for other coins, so if they never tested against those other coins they are bigger idiots.  Otherwise, I'd love to hear stories about refunds.  Oh wait, Waldo posted one in which GAW tried to screw him out of 10Mh of mining power due to a typo, even after confirming the number was accurate, and then gave him a hassle asking for a refund.  They had units delivered to customers before they had a shipping/returns page.  I'm going to try to get my money back, curious how that goes.

Anywho, the point is that everything is pointing towards a long running scam with a few folks cashing out on the seller side.  It looks like they intentionally misled customers to get cash in, mined for themselves for a while, upped the power numbers at the point where you must already have hardware produced, then dumped their shit hardware on some folks.  I guess the hope was to keep it running long enough for a another round of cash out.  Who knows.  

Funny thing, though, because that kind of tactic really leads to a lot of trouble because a lot of financial stuff get whirred up when you hurt a competitor by lying to steal business.  Since GAW is based on Mass, who happens to have some really intense consumer protection laws, if anyone takes this legal it can go insane just based on what GAW has said themselves.  I'd love to see what would come out of a subpoena for either GAW or Zeus, especially important things like payments to suppliers to supplement what they said about their operation.

Everything looks crappy.  Restarting the scam accusation thread later.

Waldo's issue was resolved and if I remember correctly he apologized for his offensive comments, so there's no need to bring this up.

"Funny thing, though, because that kind of tactic really leads to a lot of trouble because a lot of financial stuff get whirred up when you hurt a competitor by lying to steal business."
What the hell are you talking about?

I have to say that they had thousands of customers, and you were having issues from the beginning. You were offered a refund and didn't want it. You came angry, calling them scam because your package was 1 day late. I asked you politely to sit and wait for just 1 day, you agreed, but just couldn't leave it alone and came back few hours later repeating the same thing.
You said you were talked to Josh and reached an agreement, but it seems your agreements don't last longer than few hours.
To me it looks like you're enjoying this.
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
About that power issue, I was informed that it was measured on LTC . The problem is not the pool you're using but the current difficulty and coin type. The higher the difficulty the more power the machine needs.
Early gridseeds had exactly the same issue , having different power draw depending on the coin you're mining.

I was also assured that if you have a faulty hardware you can return it and have it refunded, so I'm sorry but I don't see an issue here.

I also fail to see a connection with them and BFL. They said they'll deliver and they did, if you got the hardware a day or 2 later, there is really no issue, most online stores reserve at least a week for this.
And as I said before you can return the hardware if you want. As for your time, imagine you go to a store, buy something, come back home and don't like it, go back to return and request money for your lost time Cheesy Are you serious?


Then why is my Falcon pulling 1100 Watts from the wall for mining CGA with stabilized diff of 2 and net hashrate of 180-200MH?? Big difference than the HUGE difficulty of LTC.....

Say what? You own a Falcon. And its running at 180-200MHz?  wtf?
hero member
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I see they are paying you for your signature

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gaw-miners-pays-for-your-signature-high-rates-50posts-01btc-join-us-530420

I wonder why they have to do that? Did you get your $50 for a months work yet mate?

Nice try but you need to be a full member on the forum for that and sadly I'm not.
hero member
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@halofirebtc
About that power issue, I was informed that it was measured on LTC . The problem is not the pool you're using but the current difficulty and coin type. The higher the difficulty the more power the machine needs.
Early gridseeds had exactly the same issue , having different power draw depending on the coin you're mining.

I was also assured that if you have a faulty hardware you can return it and have it refunded, so I'm sorry but I don't see an issue here.

I also fail to see a connection with them and BFL. They said they'll deliver and they did, if you got the hardware a day or 2 later, there is really no issue, most online stores reserve at least a week for this.
And as I said before you can return the hardware if you want. As for your time, imagine you go to a store, buy something, come back home and don't like it, go back to return and request money for your lost time Cheesy Are you serious?


Then why is my Falcon pulling 1100 Watts from the wall for mining CGA with stabilized diff of 2 and net hashrate of 180-200MH?? Big difference than the HUGE difficulty of LTC.....
newbie
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What we are saying is we are suspicious because the only units that seem to have been delivered are junk 1mh machines sold to "kids" I  assume.

Elaborate scams usually involve building up trust over a few months before hitting the bigger players making a ton and running away to mexico.

I see they are paying you for your signature

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gaw-miners-pays-for-your-signature-high-rates-50posts-01btc-join-us-530420

I wonder why they have to do that? Did you get your $50 for a months work yet mate?
hero member
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But it's not a scam if they delivered merchandise. You make no sense dude and this is proving to be some sort of vendetta by you. My "scam" miners are churning away right now, I was so scammed.
newbie
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I guess we will know in a few days, I hope im wrong
hero member
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Why does anyone one have to prove anything to you? You do the work for a change, maybe order something from them and get "screwed" so you can call them scammers. If you do please use the link in my sig! Nobody has yet which makes me sad.

Cos some people have money to invest. We arent all making $1 a day mining with a $150 machine using our parents power bill Wink
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Then invest already and good luck with that because it's a crap shoot with vendors. I've dealt with four for scrypt miners and GAW was the best and only one of two taking credit cards; Zoomhash being the other.
hero member
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This thread is like throwing spaghetti on the wall.
hero member
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Small Red and Bad
About that power issue, I was informed that it was measured on LTC . The problem is not the pool you're using but the current difficulty and coin type. The higher the difficulty the more power the machine needs.
Early gridseeds had exactly the same issue , having different power draw depending on the coin you're mining.

I was also assured that if you have a faulty hardware you can return it and have it refunded, so I'm sorry but I don't see an issue here.

I also fail to see a connection with them and BFL. They said they'll deliver and they did, if you got the hardware a day or 2 later, there is really no issue, most online stores reserve at least a week for this.
And as I said before you can return the hardware if you want. As for your time, imagine you go to a store, buy something, come back home and don't like it, go back to return and request money for your lost time Cheesy Are you serious?
newbie
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Why does anyone one have to prove anything to you? You do the work for a change, maybe order something from them and get "screwed" so you can call them scammers. If you do please use the link in my sig! Nobody has yet which makes me sad.
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Cos some people have money to invest. We arent all making $1 a day mining with a $150 machine using our parents power bill Wink
hero member
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Theres another thread by a guy claiming that people on Bitcointalk were paid to write "nice things" about GAW. Pump their products and basically bribe people to help with their marketing.  2 days before the "big release" they move to their own forum.

Im calling on the owners of Bitcointalk (assuming they arent involved) to investigate PMs sent from GAW Miners account and "Cassies" account to see if there is anything suspicious going on (just for the sake of those who are a bit worried - and possibly over-reacting).

Im also calling on GAW to give us the opportunity to prove to us that War Machines do infact exist. How about posting a youtube video of your machines working. Even better how about showing us your 5 data centres please.

I know they are reading this, they seem to have invested a lot in protecting their name etc. They answer emails in the middle of the night.

Does seem suspicious the 2.5% hashing fee. How could that make for a viable business model? At current rates a terminator is going mine about $130 per day and pull 18 kwh a day. 2.5% of $130  = $3.25.  Assuming they get cheap power lets say 10 cents a kwh. They gonna spend $1.80. Doesnt make for a very sizeable profit for them? In 6 months its gonna be running at a loss. And they claim the small units they sold earlier in the month they were selling at a loss.. hmm.

Perhaps they are making $3000 for hardware of these big units. In which case its a viable business model possibly. But how many have they sold. And do they exist?

Someone please PROVE that War Machines exist? Too much to ask?



Why does anyone one have to prove anything to you? You do the work for a change, maybe order something from them and get "screwed" so you can call them scammers. If you do please use the link in my sig! Nobody has yet which makes me sad.
newbie
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Theres another thread by a guy claiming that people on Bitcointalk were paid to write "nice things" about GAW. Pump their products and basically bribe people to help with their marketing.  2 days before the "big release" they move to their own forum.

Im calling on the owners of Bitcointalk (assuming they arent involved) to investigate PMs sent from GAW Miners account and "Cassies" account to see if there is anything suspicious going on (just for the sake of those who are a bit worried - and possibly over-reacting).

Im also calling on GAW to give us the opportunity to prove to us that War Machines do infact exist. How about posting a youtube video of your machines working. Even better how about showing us your 5 data centres please.

I know they are reading this, they seem to have invested a lot in protecting their name etc. They answer emails in the middle of the night.

Does seem suspicious the 2.5% hashing fee. How could that make for a viable business model? At current rates a terminator is going mine about $130 per day and pull 18 kwh a day. 2.5% of $130  = $3.25.  Assuming they get cheap power lets say 10 cents a kwh. They gonna spend $1.80. Doesnt make for a very sizeable profit for them? In 6 months its gonna be running at a loss. And they claim the small units they sold earlier in the month they were selling at a loss.. hmm.

Perhaps they are making $3000 for hardware of these big units. In which case its a viable business model possibly, selling cheap units to home users for break evens to build up their name before making a killing on big units. But how many have they sold. And do they exist?

I believe hardly any, if any WMs were sold on week 1. There would be people talking about them. So far only a guy called Vector is talking about owning a War Machine. Happy or not.. youd be talking about it.

Someone please PROVE that War Machines exist? Too much to ask?

legendary
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Guys I'll try to explain some things to you.
First of all, if you have any complaints about GAW's services, you should contact the seller directly instead of spitting in their face in a thread. There are no products without issues.
Back in the days when people used GPU's, there were numerous threads of cards failing, and we are talking about giants like Gigabyte or Asus.
Nobody was EVER scammed by GAW, but don't expect a hug if you first crap on their doorstep and then turn to customer service.

The other thing I keep seeing is people mentioning that topic from reddit. When I read this first I was also intrigued and asked Josh to explain the whole thing, so now I know both sides of the story.
You know only one and keep taking it for granted, but just think for a second. Was there any proof of these accusations? Why would an owner of a company worth millions try to scam some random dude for $5k? Would he have anything to gain from it? The guy who made the thread on the other hand admitted to be unemployed and in need of a quick buck.



I think if you looked around you'd find that a lot of customers myself included have invested a significant amount of effort into dealing with GAW customer service but it's not that simple is it? It's not "crapping" to expect the vendor to not lie and and not require to ask for support dozens of times for what is a simple paid-delivered type of deal. Gigabyte and Asus, proper hardware vendors with real products and multiyear warranties and working RMA procedures. Not exactly in GAW league.

As for the reddit story, you're lucky to know the other side of it, we're not, so there's that. It's interesting though that there is a shill "eBay" poster and deleted messages involved there, reminiscent of a certain entity that until recently was doing something similar around here.
hero member
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Small Red and Bad
Guys I'll try to explain some things to you.
First of all, if you have any complaints about GAW's services, you should contact the seller directly instead of spitting in their face in a thread. There are no products without issues.
Back in the days when people used GPU's, there were numerous threads of cards failing, and we are talking about giants like Gigabyte or Asus.
Nobody was EVER scammed by GAW, but don't expect a hug if you first crap on their doorstep and then turn to customer service.

The other thing I keep seeing is people mentioning that topic from reddit. When I read this first I was also intrigued and asked Josh to explain the whole thing, so now I know both sides of the story.
You know only one and keep taking it for granted, but just think for a second. Was there any proof of these accusations? Why would an owner of a company worth millions try to scam some random dude for $5k? Would he have anything to gain from it? The guy who made the thread on the other hand admitted to be unemployed and in need of a quick buck.

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