GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) - page 161.

AlphaD

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Quote from: Stargazer on September 07, 2014, 06:39:42 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on September 07, 2014, 01:08:27 AM

Quote from: crazyivan on September 07, 2014, 12:54:52 AM

I presume none of admins of these pools has ever identified these hashlets mining at their pools?

Nope. And when questions kept being asked GAW did this (also #4 in the OP):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8533761

I will argue with your post there, you're misinforming people.
There are pictures with open setups (no isle separation) everywhere. You haven't seen any other setups, have you?
I also believe they showed the real data center pictures and a warehouse full of miners getting ready to be plugged.

Quote from: AlphaD on September 07, 2014, 02:41:51 AM

Laughable that the businesses are run by 'highly trained businessmen'. Almost every staff member at GAW has the last name Garza. I know that is a common last name but really lol I don't have 10 smiths at my work. If my business was actually so successful you would think they would actually have some highly trained staff. Or at least a spell checker.

Same here, why are you misinforming people? I've seen their names on their site and in fact most of them aren't named Garza. This is FUD, please prove me that what you just said is true.

I am not referring to thier site. I am referring to my personal dealings with them. It was a half-truth joke. My apologies for spreading fud lol

For the others - I have not been scammed by gaw. I doubled my investment and got out recently. Overall my experience has been positive with gaw. I just think their community is currently a bit toxic.

Like I said above I haven't not seen any evidence that they are scamming people. But also I am not sure how they are making money so well. But just because you can make money doesnt mean you are a scam.

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Quote from: btcm4n14c on September 07, 2014, 09:26:13 AM

meanwhile some of u scream SCAM, in 19 days i made 530$ back from a 1600$ investment

PS : bought hashlets from first day

This is the most prevalent problem we have in this thread with outside posters. People that are clearly financial newbs (and probably in their teens or early 20s), show a complete lack of comprehension of what a Ponzi is and how it operates. It will make the early adopters money. Everyone does not lose money in a Ponzi.

Only latecomers and those that reinvest lose money. If you bought in the first week, then you will probably ROI. However, late arrivals are most likely subsidizing your ROI. It is like buying BTC at 1200 if you buy a Hashlet now. If you, btcm4n14c, really feel like this is a good investment then you should double-down (or triple down) on your Hashlets right now.

Hence the main purpose of this thread, to try to figure out what sources of income Zenpool can or cannot be using. Until this is public information then the whole thing is a house of cards. Early adopters making money does not change that.

rmoraos

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I found this, payout politic: https://hashtalk.org/topic/3349/explanation-when-do-i-get-a-payout/21

Best Regards.

zdaz14

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Quote from: rdyoung on September 07, 2014, 11:33:35 AM

Quote from: zdaz14 on September 07, 2014, 11:30:34 AM

Quote from: Tripjammer on September 07, 2014, 11:13:31 AM

19 days in and I am 1/3 of the way ROI. Grin

Not bad.

Looks like the people that are pissed are the ones who did not get the hashlets in the beginning.

The guy/girl who said they lost $15000 was that is hashlets or from GAW is general? If you had $15000 in hashlets you would have had 1/3 or more of your money back, as long as you pointed your hashlets to zenpool. Wink

I bought at 16 and sold for 27+...then bought more GHs now from them....hoping those prices raise a bit too to resell

The GHS wont rise. Even at 1$/GHS they are overpriced. I bought 1 10pack for one of my accounts just for the hell of it. I would focus on buying primes, they are the better bang for your buck, if they keep rolling out new features for them.

Oh yeah I agree. I bought 30 GHs for the heck of it with some of my selling money and bought physical miners with the rest to mine some on my own (my electricity is 3.8 cents lol). I'll be using some pay soon for a Prime to change to SHA unless they up ZenPool to top the payout.

rdyoung

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Quote from: zdaz14 on September 07, 2014, 11:30:34 AM

Quote from: Tripjammer on September 07, 2014, 11:13:31 AM

19 days in and I am 1/3 of the way ROI. Grin

Not bad.

Looks like the people that are pissed are the ones who did not get the hashlets in the beginning.

The guy/girl who said they lost $15000 was that is hashlets or from GAW is general? If you had $15000 in hashlets you would have had 1/3 or more of your money back, as long as you pointed your hashlets to zenpool. Wink

I bought at 16 and sold for 27+...then bought more GHs now from them....hoping those prices raise a bit too to resell

The GHS wont rise. Even at 1$/GHS they are overpriced. I bought 1 10pack for one of my accounts just for the hell of it. I would focus on buying primes, they are the better bang for your buck, if they keep rolling out new features for them.

zdaz14

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Quote from: Tripjammer on September 07, 2014, 11:13:31 AM

19 days in and I am 1/3 of the way ROI. Grin

Not bad.

Looks like the people that are pissed are the ones who did not get the hashlets in the beginning.

The guy/girl who said they lost $15000 was that is hashlets or from GAW is general? If you had $15000 in hashlets you would have had 1/3 or more of your money back, as long as you pointed your hashlets to zenpool. Wink

I bought at 16 and sold for 27+...then bought more GHs now from them....hoping those prices raise a bit too to resell

rdyoung

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Quote from: Tripjammer on September 07, 2014, 11:13:31 AM

19 days in and I am 1/3 of the way ROI. Grin

Not bad.

Looks like the people that are pissed are the ones who did not get the hashlets in the beginning.

The guy/girl who said they lost $15000 was that is hashlets or from GAW is general? If you had $15000 in hashlets you would have had 1/3 or more of your money back, as long as you pointed your hashlets to zenpool. Wink

They probably bought batch 1 or 2 Vaultbreakers. Gaw already offered to convert batch 1s to either other hardware temporarily or permamently into hashlet primes. No clue when they will offer this for batch 2s if at all. In my experience people who "lose" that kind of money failed to read the fine print or understand what they were getting into. Because they don't understand whats going on, they start crying scam and that they were ripped off or stolen from. The people working customer service for any business will treat you like you treat them, if your yelling scam and ripoff, thief, etc you are less likely to be taken care of to your satisfaction. On the other hand, if your calm, cool and collected and realize that the person your dealing with does not run the company, you are much more likely to get things handled correctly.

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19 days in and I am 1/3 of the way ROI. Grin

Not bad.

Looks like the people that are pissed are the ones who did not get the hashlets in the beginning.

The guy/girl who said they lost $15000 was that is hashlets or from GAW is general? If you had $15000 in hashlets you would have had 1/3 or more of your money back, as long as you pointed your hashlets to zenpool. Wink

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ok thanks, I will read next time before

rdyoung

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Quote from: Nayto1 on September 07, 2014, 10:53:22 AM

Today I have paid the prime hashlet that I have, but I have not added to the balance payment.

Is this Normal ??

Did you read the last posts before you jumped in?

Quote from: btcm4n14c on September 07, 2014, 10:05:46 AM

Quote from: rdyoung on September 07, 2014, 10:04:01 AM

Quote from: chmick on September 07, 2014, 09:45:38 AM

Quote from: btcm4n14c on September 07, 2014, 09:26:13 AM

meanwhile some of u scream SCAM, in 19 days i made 530$ back from a 1600$ investment

PS : bought hashlets from first day

Hi

good but did you check your balance today ?

In my case , i see the paiment in the history, but my balance is still late !

Strange since i saw in the pop up at lgin than they fixed the problem ..

Thats how their system works. I think it runs all "payouts" first, and then updates all balances. I have payouts in all of my accounts, but the balances don't reflect it yet.

yea, something like that here too

Nayto1

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Today I have paid the prime hashlet that I have, but I have not added to the balance payment.

Is this Normal ??

rdyoung

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My payouts today for my first account.

Zenhashlet Gift = 0.00071135
Fury gift Converted to prime = 0.00096417
Converted fury = 0.00091735
Converted fury = 0.00095677

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don't you guys find this alittle odd? Zenhash 2 gave me 0.00074859 but zenhash 1 gave me 0.00064457...both same 1mh/s same pool since there solos...why should they not be the same payout? i can see a tiny bit a diff. but 0.0001 diff is alot considering its suppose to be the same thing Sad

and nicehashlet beat'em both at 0.0007594 so i guess josh can change his statement about zenpool "always" being the most profitable pool to "most of the time" most profitable pool Grin

and then if you take my 3mh/s prime and divide it comes to 0.00068942666 per mh/s hmm, maybe their calc. variance into the payout to try n make it look like they really are mining...idk and then i decided to see what my war machine does per mh/s and its 0.00062285964 all on zenpool...all different numbers and it seems the more mh/s ya have in one unit...the less it pays out per mh/s

This has had me curious for sometime. Cexio for example, if you buy 1gh, your balance shows 1ghs, on the pool side it will show variance as all hardware does, but you still have 1ghs. Why are we seeing variance on our dashboard? And if most of the profits do come from daytrading and rented hashrate, we shouldn't see any variance at all. If we bought, 1mhs we should get paid for 1mh.

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Quote from: btcm4n14c on September 07, 2014, 09:26:13 AM

meanwhile some of u scream SCAM, in 19 days i made 530$ back from a 1600$ investment

PS : bought hashlets from first day

I guarantee you won't make your total investment back.

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that is a bold statement memcid....that you can't really back up Tongue

I mean you've seen my posts in this thread so ya know i'm no koolaid drinker, but i wouldn't go that far and make a statement like that unless i knew for a fact that this system was about to come crashing down...I mean hell i started with zenminer with a war machine on 7/26 and now i'm 50% roi'd and i also have another 5mh/s & 10gh/s that i bought with the money i was making from the war machine...

That is indeed a bold statement and I wonder if he/she is willing to put their money where their mouth is. If zen allowed for view only access, I would buy a hashlet in a new account and share the info so the world can see how much has been made. Out of the 3 accounts I have, 1 currently has 15mhs and is setup for autopurchase, I figure why the hell not, if goes belly up, wahhhh, if it doesn't, then mo money, mo problems.

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Quote from: suchmoon on September 07, 2014, 01:08:27 AM

Quote from: crazyivan on September 07, 2014, 12:54:52 AM

I presume none of admins of these pools has ever identified these hashlets mining at their pools?

Nope. And when questions kept being asked GAW did this (also #4 in the OP):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8533761

I will argue with your post there, you're misinforming people.
There are pictures with open setups (no isle separation) everywhere. You haven't seen any other setups, have you?
I also believe they showed the real data center pictures and a warehouse full of miners getting ready to be plugged.

Quote from: AlphaD on September 07, 2014, 02:41:51 AM

Laughable that the businesses are run by 'highly trained businessmen'. Almost every staff member at GAW has the last name Garza. I know that is a common last name but really lol I don't have 10 smiths at my work. If my business was actually so successful you would think they would actually have some highly trained staff. Or at least a spell checker.

Same here, why are you misinforming people? I've seen their names on their site and in fact most of them aren't named Garza. This is FUD, please prove me that what you just said is true.

rdyoung

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Quote from: btcm4n14c on September 07, 2014, 09:26:13 AM

meanwhile some of u scream SCAM, in 19 days i made 530$ back from a 1600$ investment

PS : bought hashlets from first day

I guarantee you won't make your total investment back.

Will you guarantee that with your own btc? Would you like to place a bet on that?

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Quote from: btcm4n14c on September 07, 2014, 09:26:13 AM

meanwhile some of u scream SCAM, in 19 days i made 530$ back from a 1600$ investment

PS : bought hashlets from first day

I guarantee you won't make your total investment back.

While I'm annoyed about the vb batch 2 getting fucked I don't think you're right on this. Also, where is the proof you've been scammed? I mean that should be pretty fucking easy to provide. I can find my receipts, credit card statements, btc transfers, it's pretty easy dude.

You and flexhash should get together for a beer.

btcm4n14c

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Quote from: rdyoung on September 07, 2014, 10:04:01 AM

Quote from: chmick on September 07, 2014, 09:45:38 AM

Quote from: btcm4n14c on September 07, 2014, 09:26:13 AM

meanwhile some of u scream SCAM, in 19 days i made 530$ back from a 1600$ investment

PS : bought hashlets from first day

Hi

good but did you check your balance today ?

In my case , i see the paiment in the history, but my balance is still late !

Strange since i saw in the pop up at lgin than they fixed the problem ..

Thats how their system works. I think it runs all "payouts" first, and then updates all balances. I have payouts in all of my accounts, but the balances don't reflect it yet.

yea, something like that here too

rdyoung

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Quote from: chmick on September 07, 2014, 09:45:38 AM

Quote from: btcm4n14c on September 07, 2014, 09:26:13 AM

meanwhile some of u scream SCAM, in 19 days i made 530$ back from a 1600$ investment

PS : bought hashlets from first day

Hi

good but did you check your balance today ?

In my case , i see the paiment in the history, but my balance is still late !

Strange since i saw in the pop up at lgin than they fixed the problem ..

Thats how their system works. I think it runs all "payouts" first, and then updates all balances. I have payouts in all of my accounts, but the balances don't reflect it yet.

chmick

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Quote from: btcm4n14c on September 07, 2014, 09:26:13 AM

meanwhile some of u scream SCAM, in 19 days i made 530$ back from a 1600$ investment

PS : bought hashlets from first day

Hi

good but did you check your balance today ?

In my case , i see the paiment in the history, but my balance is still late !

Strange since i saw in the pop up at lgin than they fixed the problem ..

btcm4n14c

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meanwhile some of u scream SCAM, in 19 days i made 530$ back from a 1600$ investment

PS : bought hashlets from first day

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