Topic: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [1st Feb 2016] - page 24. (Read 131506 times)

What would that have anything to do with BTCGarden, and it would be pretty cool if my contract extended back in time by 3 months.

Anyway... BTCGarden have received an O infraction because they do have a moderate DOA rate but won't address the issue. In fact, they posted data which suggested they have an extremely low rate, which just wasn't matching up with the deliveries.

Cos he works for Bitmain?........

Why is BTCGarden 5/10 for ethics?

Bitmain Hardware Issues down from 'No' to 'Minor' (10 to 6)  
Bitmain Communication up from 'Good' to 'Great' (7 to 10)   

Erm.........

Changelog 10/20/2014
Company changes:

• ASICMiner Preorders down from 'Yes' to 'Batch' (20 to 16) - Not considered full preorders as the Prisma was fully designed and just waiting to be produced in sufficient quantities.
• ASICMiner communication down from 'Good' to 'Okay' (7 to 4).
• Bitmain Hardware Issues down from 'No' to 'Minor' (10 to 6).
• Bitmain Commuication up from 'Good' to 'Great' (7 to 10).
• XBTech On Time not changed, but receives a warning for original Pacific 1250 delays.
• RockMiner Hardware Issues up from 'Minor' to 'No' (6 to 10).
• SpondooliesTech Size up from 'Large' to 'Huge' (7 to 10).
• BTCGarden Hardware issues clarrified that its due to the % of DOA boards.
• BTCGarden Communcation up from 'Okay' to 'Good' (4 to 7).
• Bitmine Communaction down from 'Good' to 'Okay' (7 to 4).
• KNC Miner Hardware Issues down from 'Minor' to 'Major' (6 to 1) - suffered minor to moderate problems on both product launches.
• KNC Miner Ethics, F up from FF (-4 to -2) - removed FF criteria from rating system due to being potentially speculative.
• CoinTerra refund issues from 'No' to 'Some' (10 to 5).
• Blackarrow Hardware Issues down to Major due to X3 total recall.
• AMT Communication down from 'Okay' to 'Bad' (4 to 1).
• BFL Hardware Issues up from 'Minor' to 'No' (6 to 10).
• BitCrane added (76).
• Bitcrane size being considered for Medium if newer offerings sell better.
• Bitcrane communication being considered for Good, again on the basis that newer offerings sell better and there is more engagement.
• Canaan Creative Communication down from 'Good' to 'Okay' (7 to 4).
• Bitmine Refund Issues down from 'Some' to 'Yes' (5 to 1).

It will be interesting to see this updated...AM did pre orders, Bitmain had a sort of rocky launch with s4.

Please kindly add BitCrane to your list of manufacturers. http://www.bitcrane.com/

They have a phone number and a business address and they respond readily to e-mail and also have shipped their products out with no issues.

I've had extensive dealings with them and they're a stand up company with a track record of at least two iterations of miners (the T110 and T110S) which actually are still selling units. They also ship from stock.

Leaving them out would be unfair given their thus far excellent business practices. I think Dogie, bobsag3 and maidak all received their units as well.

I would also like to re state what Dogie said here about opening up a PSU… The "ONLY" reason I opened mine was to confirm my issue… To be clear even when a PSU is NOT plugged in there is enough energy in the capasitors to stop your heart… BE VERY VERY VERY careful with these things… I can't stress this enough, people have been killed opening up PSU's and poking around in something they knew nothing about… I could repeat this a 1000 times and it would not be enough… I know most miners are just in this to have some fun, but its not worth going to hospital because you didn't know that a unplugged PSU could still be energized to the point where it can stop your heart ...

So tldr, yes it is about a pool that is listed, and yes it is because I rejected your low ball offer with hoop jumping involved.

Why do you keep going on about a mining pool? It has absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter. I don't hate any mining pool, but I do hate liars & scammers - one of which you have no problem with advertising on your guides. If you are willing to accept payment from scammers, then you have to be prepared for the criticism for doing so. Deal with it.

Also, FYI - Bitmain (your employer) had no problem with my request for pointing one of their fireballs S4's at p2pool to test it for me so that I could see if it worked or not (which of course it didn't - even though they claim it does) & decide weather to purchase one. They didn't start foaming at the mouth, go into meltdown or abuse a potential buyer like you did.....

WTF is wrong with you?

Since when did you become so important that nobody can question you? How long have you been right, even when you're wrong? You are suffering from delusional visions of grandeur dogie - get off your high horse & come back to reality. You're no better or higher than anyone else here.

I am not biased. People have and will always continue to accuse me of being biased - towards every company - at the same time - both positively and negatively - at the same time. You can look back over the last 42 pages and see the fail in action.

I should probably make another resource charting what companies I'm apparently biased for or against over time to demonstrate the crazy. In many cases, like IYFTech, he's actually mad at me for an undisclosed reason and one totally irrelevant to the conversation. He's mad at me because I refused to point a miner I had for sale at his pool so he could validate it, so he could then throw me an admittedly lowball offer.

There are many accounts in here spamming hate because of one of the mining pools listed in my guides. They actually don't care about Bitmain and probably a large portion of them were never customers. That is just the makeup of this community and as I said before, it never changes.

They're aware of the problems, this manufacturer makes PSUs for a number of ASIC companies now and they've certainly messed up. I don't recommend anyone opens up a PSU, you never know the discharge times.

There will be a fix, but for now there is a perfectly acceptable workaround which gets everyone to 103% hash rate instantly.


Its clear your hatred of a mining pool - along with many of either your or someone elses alts - is being used as an excuse to spam hate at Bitmain as a way to get at me. And due to me rejecting your 'kind' offer for my miners.

Those S4's are fine......really.......nothing to see here......


Fire extinguishers at the ready people........

Well he has never claimed this guide is not biased so you can not fault him. This is simply one guys opinions about ASIC companies. For some reason I thought he was also paid by AM for support too? I think dogie does a nice job with his guides and stuff...albeit a little biased.

There hasn't.

It is clear that whatever payment dogie is receiving from Bitmain has blinded him to the reality of the situation, which was probably their intention.

That analogy would make sense if that was the normal way websites work. The simple fact is that they released a device that didn't work with a large number of pools using a relatively standard method of adjusting difficulty, because the hardware isn't able to keep up.
I guess it will depend if it can be made to run normally with most/all pools with a software fix. From my understanding it still only works on a subset of pools and on many them it is still only giving half the hashrate it should. If there's been an update that has corrected that problem, then that's fine.

And in the analogy the site would have to be trying to load 128 windows at once, rather than the site you wanted. And in this case, the software fix prevents the crash and instead of loading 128 windows at once, loads them in chunks of 32 instead.

Back to what I was saying though, if it can be fixed remotely with a simple firmware update then its my opinion that its a software problem. If it requires the recalling of 1000s of units or the shipping out of a new controller board, then its my opinion that that would be a hardware problem.

I would say a better analogy is that you bought a PC, but it was so underpowered that it would crash if you open a browser and go to a website. If someone provides a hack that disables displaying any images so you can at least navigate the internet with text only, that doesn't mean it's fully functional or the root cause of the problem isn't the underpowered hardware.

As I said, I get flamed by people like you for asking them, and relaying the message. You don't want to hear anything but the firmware is uploaded, so what is the point repeating the same answer 15x and getting flamed 15x? See the S2 thread.

Any pool with manual difficulty, which is more than 1. You're using the argument "if I don't configure it as required, I don't get the hash rate". That's like saying if you only plug in half a PSU, its their fault.


Just because two people disagree doesn't make one right and one wrong. Ck says its hardware based because if you spam it with 128x the traffic than the pool is meant to give it, it crashes. I disagree and say that if its fixable with firmware [which it is], then its not a hardware problem. Sure they could have used a better controller [I too hate BBs], but tldr all the units will be fixed without changing the hardware.

Its like if your PC kept crashing because of the graphics driver.

You keep saying "provide support" but 1) you're providing lose lose situations. If I come back to you and say S2 firmware is coming, you'll flame me. If I don't, you'll flame me. 2) You're not a customer and are only here flaming me because again you're a second account / another person that doesn't like a pool that is listed in my guides: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/deleterase-377806. This is nothing to do with Bitmain, you're just here to flame.