[Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [1st Feb 2016] - page 25.

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Quote from: dogie on October 12, 2014, 11:27:46 AM

Quote from: RoadStress on October 12, 2014, 10:47:31 AM

Quote from: dogie on October 12, 2014, 10:10:04 AM

3) Lack of support? They're the first company to actually hire a proper representative purely to increase communications.
4) Untested firmware releases? Engineers were getting heckled so much for a firmware update that they pushed an update with one file location wrong. It was fixed within a day, and within the meantime another member of staff had already shown the workaround.

Yes lack of support. I think that you missed this post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9163035 It seems that the S2 firmware isn't up to date and all S2s are in danger of having their hashrate stolen. Don't judge entirely on the past actions, judge by the present actions. (like in AMs case where they are represented by not having preorders when they DO have preorders)

No I've not missed it, I've replied about 10x to "where is S2 firmware" posts and get flamed every time I do for "spreading lies". Its coming when its coming, what do you want ME to do about it?

How about doing what Bitmain are paying you to do? Find out from them WTF they are playing at. Or are you getting paid to just repeat their excuses over & over again?

Quote from: dogie on October 12, 2014, 11:33:11 AM

2) Right, the only problem is PSU failures

Are you kidding? S4's only work out of the box on one pool after manually setting the diff - on every other pool they fail miserably, not even close to the advertised hash rate, especially with p2pool.

Quote from: dogie on October 12, 2014, 11:33:11 AM

3) Me?

Yeah. Right. You still think & tell everyone that the S4's problems are firmware related, even though it's been explained to you by people who are in the know (including ck) that the problem is hardware. You are under qualified for this role, Bitmain are just using you to take the heat for their cock-ups on their behalf while knowing that you won't write anything negative in your manufacturer "review". You were always on a hiding to nothing by being paid by Bitmain to even attempt to be able to offer support for them, but you chose to do it anyway. But thinking that anyone who disagrees with you or proves you wrong is "flaming" you or "out to get" you is just daft.

Stop making excuses for Bitmain, provide support or quit your job. Your life will be much easier & you might even get some respect back Wink

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Quote from: deleterase on October 12, 2014, 10:34:58 AM

Quote from: dogie on October 12, 2014, 10:10:04 AM

I can do what I want, but you have to use facts not made up stuff.

1) Price has nothing to do with this guide, if its too expensive don't buy...
2) Underperforming, where? Every unit hits over the 2.0 selling mark. If not, then you're ignoring the instructions to use a manual difficulty of 2048.
3) Lack of support? They're the first company to actually hire a proper representative purely to increase communications.
4) Untested firmware releases? Engineers were getting heckled so much for a firmware update that they pushed an update with one file location wrong. It was fixed within a day, and within the meantime another member of staff had already shown the workaround.

It only takes one look at your post history to see that you'll disagree with anything I say regardless, purely because one of the three pools listed you disagree with: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/really-371518

1) I won't.
2) Wrong. Read the thread again.
3) Who's the proper rep?
4) Maybe if they tested the first release properly/at all they wouldn't get heckled.

1) Good, then you're just a heckler
2) Right, the only problem is PSU failures
3) Me?
4) I don't understand your problem... people were spam abusing them for not releasing an incremental update which doesn't do anything important at all, then flamed more when they had to either use a 2 minute workaround to flash it or had to wait another 24 hours. Why?

But it doesn't matter anyway, you're not a customer.

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Quote from: RoadStress on October 12, 2014, 10:47:31 AM

Quote from: dogie on October 12, 2014, 10:10:04 AM

3) Lack of support? They're the first company to actually hire a proper representative purely to increase communications.
4) Untested firmware releases? Engineers were getting heckled so much for a firmware update that they pushed an update with one file location wrong. It was fixed within a day, and within the meantime another member of staff had already shown the workaround.

Yes lack of support. I think that you missed this post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9163035 It seems that the S2 firmware isn't up to date and all S2s are in danger of having their hashrate stolen. Don't judge entirely on the past actions, judge by the present actions. (like in AMs case where they are represented by not having preorders when they DO have preorders)

No I've not missed it, I've replied about 10x to "where is S2 firmware" posts and get flamed every time I do for "spreading lies". Its coming when its coming, what do you want ME to do about it? If you want to include cgminer version in the chart then the vast majority of companies fail on that because most don't support what is considered a legacy product.

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This whole discussion is useless.

As the industry matures, mining will obviously move (even more) towards bigger instalations, and you may be able to secure some hosted mining power /share of the facilty.

If the bitcoin price returns to 600$ soon, home mining will continue to exist in a larger fashion compared to the price staying at these levels.

It only delays this movement though.

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Quote from: Lassi on October 12, 2014, 10:56:05 AM

Quote from: CrazyRabbi on October 12, 2014, 10:48:23 AM

Quote from: Lassi on October 12, 2014, 10:35:24 AM

Quote from: CrazyRabbi on October 12, 2014, 10:31:29 AM

Quote from: Lassi on October 12, 2014, 10:28:36 AM

Quote from: Blazed on October 12, 2014, 10:14:33 AM

If pricing were part of it then everyone should have a low rating! Nothing being sold at retail will make a positive ROI even with free power.

And that makes any guide at this point useless. This might be the end of this portion of the forum considering it was the user coming here to discuss hardware that made it relevant. As time goes on there will be no more interest or users.

Why does it have to be about ROI?

Alot of people mine simply because they can...

It's not about the ohh shit ROI in 2 months to me.

It's about the ohh shit broke ROI 6 times over after a year to me.

It doesn't but you are not going to get 100s of people coming here to buy things that don't ROI. Games over for the home user and by default this forum will fade as fewer people engage in this hobby.

That is complete garbage and you know it.

There's actually more miners then there ever was.

Do you understand how difficulty works?

It gets harder and harder to mine to reach this ROI you speak of.

It requires you to get bigger and faster miners to compete.

If anything the Bitcoin Network relies on fast confirmation times and blocks to be mined so if anything all that will happen is the miners will turn into centralization or work together with other miners.

I don't see people ever stopping their purchasing of Bitcoin Miners nor do I see anyone stopping even SCRYPT ASiC Purchases now.

Your logic is flawed and obviously you have not been around since a Bitcoin was worth a couple of dollars each.

Logic is flawed?

We will see who is BUYING but I dare say it won't be a public consumer at home.

Consolidation will continue and those people buying are not coming here to debate the value of one producer over another. This forum is becoming less relevant every day. What you will see from this point forward are the death throws of some companies and the continued complaint threads about the latest scam or legal play against other companies. Whatever is cutting edge is being developed for commercial customers not the small home user.

You are naive to think the same market continues today as it did in 2009 or 2010 or 2011 and so on.

Bold = Truth Cheesy

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Quote from: CrazyRabbi on October 12, 2014, 10:48:23 AM

Quote from: Lassi on October 12, 2014, 10:35:24 AM

Quote from: CrazyRabbi on October 12, 2014, 10:31:29 AM

Quote from: Lassi on October 12, 2014, 10:28:36 AM

Quote from: Blazed on October 12, 2014, 10:14:33 AM

If pricing were part of it then everyone should have a low rating! Nothing being sold at retail will make a positive ROI even with free power.

And that makes any guide at this point useless. This might be the end of this portion of the forum considering it was the user coming here to discuss hardware that made it relevant. As time goes on there will be no more interest or users.

Why does it have to be about ROI?

Alot of people mine simply because they can...

It's not about the ohh shit ROI in 2 months to me.

It's about the ohh shit broke ROI 6 times over after a year to me.

It doesn't but you are not going to get 100s of people coming here to buy things that don't ROI. Games over for the home user and by default this forum will fade as fewer people engage in this hobby.

That is complete garbage and you know it.

There's actually more miners then there ever was.

Do you understand how difficulty works?

It gets harder and harder to mine to reach this ROI you speak of.

It requires you to get bigger and faster miners to compete.

If anything the Bitcoin Network relies on fast confirmation times and blocks to be mined so if anything all that will happen is the miners will turn into centralization or work together with other miners.

I don't see people ever stopping their purchasing of Bitcoin Miners nor do I see anyone stopping even SCRYPT ASiC Purchases now.

Your logic is flawed and obviously you have not been around since a Bitcoin was worth a couple of dollars each.

Logic is flawed?

We will see who is BUYING but I dare say it won't be a public consumer at home.

Consolidation will continue and those people buying are not coming here to debate the value of one producer over another. This forum is becoming less relevant every day. What you will see from this point forward are the death throws of some companies and the continued complaint threads about the latest scam or legal play against other companies. Whatever is cutting edge is being developed for commercial customers not the small home user.

You are naive to think the same market continues today as it did in 2009 or 2010 or 2011 and so on.

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Quote from: Lassi on October 12, 2014, 10:35:24 AM

Quote from: CrazyRabbi on October 12, 2014, 10:31:29 AM

Quote from: Lassi on October 12, 2014, 10:28:36 AM

Quote from: Blazed on October 12, 2014, 10:14:33 AM

If pricing were part of it then everyone should have a low rating! Nothing being sold at retail will make a positive ROI even with free power.

And that makes any guide at this point useless. This might be the end of this portion of the forum considering it was the user coming here to discuss hardware that made it relevant. As time goes on there will be no more interest or users.

Why does it have to be about ROI?

Alot of people mine simply because they can...

It's not about the ohh shit ROI in 2 months to me.

It's about the ohh shit broke ROI 6 times over after a year to me.

It doesn't but you are not going to get 100s of people coming here to buy things that don't ROI. Games over for the home user and by default this forum will fade as fewer people engage in this hobby.

That is complete garbage and you know it.

There's actually more miners then there ever was.

Do you understand how difficulty works?

It gets harder and harder to mine to reach this ROI you speak of.

It requires you to get bigger and faster miners to compete.

If anything the Bitcoin Network relies on fast confirmation times and blocks to be mined so if anything all that will happen is the miners will turn into centralization or work together with other miners.

I don't see people ever stopping their purchasing of Bitcoin Miners nor do I see anyone stopping even SCRYPT ASiC Purchases now.

Your logic is flawed and obviously you have not been around since a Bitcoin was worth a couple of dollars each.

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Quote from: dogie on October 12, 2014, 10:10:04 AM

3) Lack of support? They're the first company to actually hire a proper representative purely to increase communications.
4) Untested firmware releases? Engineers were getting heckled so much for a firmware update that they pushed an update with one file location wrong. It was fixed within a day, and within the meantime another member of staff had already shown the workaround.

Yes lack of support. I think that you missed this post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9163035 It seems that the S2 firmware isn't up to date and all S2s are in danger of having their hashrate stolen. Don't judge entirely on the past actions, judge by the present actions. (like in AMs case where they are represented by not having preorders when they DO have preorders)

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Quote from: Collider on October 12, 2014, 10:36:39 AM

There are undoubtedly some development tendencies that will push mining more towards bigger installations (this is nothing new).

That doesn´t mean you cant profit from this development, but your home-miner at 0.15$/kWh is indeed unlikely to ROI any time ~~soon~~ ever again.

Bigger commercial buildings with 100TH+ mining power already account for more than 50% of the network.

FTFY.

What could be possible is a million usb miners spread far and wide to maintain the vision of the public miner.

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There are undoubtedly some development tendencies that will push mining more towards bigger installations (this is nothing new).

That doesn´t mean you cant profit from this development, but your home-miner at 0.15$/kWh is indeed unlikely to ROI any time soon.

Bigger commercial buildings with 100TH+ mining power already account for more than 50% of the network.

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Quote from: CrazyRabbi on October 12, 2014, 10:31:29 AM

Quote from: Lassi on October 12, 2014, 10:28:36 AM

Quote from: Blazed on October 12, 2014, 10:14:33 AM

If pricing were part of it then everyone should have a low rating! Nothing being sold at retail will make a positive ROI even with free power.

And that makes any guide at this point useless. This might be the end of this portion of the forum considering it was the user coming here to discuss hardware that made it relevant. As time goes on there will be no more interest or users.

Why does it have to be about ROI?

Alot of people mine simply because they can...

It's not about the ohh shit ROI in 2 months to me.

It's about the ohh shit broke ROI 6 times over after a year to me.

It doesn't but you are not going to get 100s of people coming here to buy things that don't ROI. Games over for the home user and by default this forum will fade as fewer people engage in this hobby.

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Quote from: dogie on October 12, 2014, 10:10:04 AM

Quote from: .....Really? on October 12, 2014, 05:20:04 AM

When will you be updating this guide to more accurately reflect Bitmains downward spiral since releasing the terribly overpriced & under performing S4, their lack of support & untested firmware releases?

Will your bosses let you do that?

I can do what I want, but you have to use facts not made up stuff.

1) Price has nothing to do with this guide, if its too expensive don't buy...
2) Underperforming, where? Every unit hits over the 2.0 selling mark. If not, then you're ignoring the instructions to use a manual difficulty of 2048.
3) Lack of support? They're the first company to actually hire a proper representative purely to increase communications.
4) Untested firmware releases? Engineers were getting heckled so much for a firmware update that they pushed an update with one file location wrong. It was fixed within a day, and within the meantime another member of staff had already shown the workaround.

It only takes one look at your post history to see that you'll disagree with anything I say regardless, purely because one of the three pools listed you disagree with: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/really-371518

LOL....that'll be a NO then.

Can't risk losing your Bitmain ~~bribes~~ wages eh?

1) I won't.
2) Wrong. Read the thread again.
3) Who's the proper rep?
4) Maybe if they tested the first release properly/at all they wouldn't get heckled.

Dogie sells out Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Lassi on October 12, 2014, 10:28:36 AM

Quote from: Blazed on October 12, 2014, 10:14:33 AM

If pricing were part of it then everyone should have a low rating! Nothing being sold at retail will make a positive ROI even with free power.

And that makes any guide at this point useless. This might be the end of this portion of the forum considering it was the user coming here to discuss hardware that made it relevant. As time goes on there will be no more interest or users.

Nobody could ever guarantee ROI for any miner, as bitcoin could be worth 1$ or 1000$ tomorrow, and many other unknown parameters influence a possible ROI.

It is highly unlikely that a large amount of hashpower would be maintained without the possibility of ROI, therefore increasing the chance of already bought equipment to achieve ROI.

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Quote from: Lassi on October 12, 2014, 10:28:36 AM

Quote from: Blazed on October 12, 2014, 10:14:33 AM

If pricing were part of it then everyone should have a low rating! Nothing being sold at retail will make a positive ROI even with free power.

And that makes any guide at this point useless. This might be the end of this portion of the forum considering it was the user coming here to discuss hardware that made it relevant. As time goes on there will be no more interest or users.

Why does it have to be about ROI?

Alot of people mine simply because they can...

It's not about the ohh shit ROI in 2 months to me.

It's about the ohh shit broke ROI 6 times over after a year to me.

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Quote from: Blazed on October 12, 2014, 10:14:33 AM

If pricing were part of it then everyone should have a low rating! Nothing being sold at retail will make a positive ROI even with free power.

And that makes any guide at this point useless. This might be the end of this portion of the forum considering it was the user coming here to discuss hardware that made it relevant. As time goes on there will be no more interest or users.

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If pricing were part of it then everyone should have a low rating! Nothing being sold at retail will make a positive ROI even with free power.

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Quote from: .....Really? on October 12, 2014, 05:20:04 AM

When will you be updating this guide to more accurately reflect Bitmains downward spiral since releasing the terribly overpriced & under performing S4, their lack of support & untested firmware releases?

Will your bosses let you do that?

I can do what I want, but you have to use facts not made up stuff.

1) Price has nothing to do with this guide, if its too expensive don't buy...
2) Underperforming, where? Every unit hits over the 2.0 selling mark. If not, then you're ignoring the instructions to use a manual difficulty of 2048.
3) Lack of support? They're the first company to actually hire a proper representative purely to increase communications.
4) Untested firmware releases? Engineers were getting heckled so much for a firmware update that they pushed an update with one file location wrong. It was fixed within a day, and within the meantime another member of staff had already shown the workaround.

It only takes one look at your post history to see that you'll disagree with anything I say regardless, purely because one of the three pools listed you disagree with: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/really-371518

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I don´t really think pricing is a part of the evaluation process. (Unless it is a complete ripoff).

At around 0.3-0.4$/GH internal cost per GH, I don´t really see these units as terribly overpriced.

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When will you be updating this guide to more accurately reflect Bitmains downward spiral since releasing the terribly overpriced & under performing S4, their lack of support & untested firmware releases?

Will your bosses let you do that?

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