Hashkings Lending,Deposit 1.25% INSURED, ALL PPT ACCOUNTS CLOSING ON 8/19 - page 6.

alexmat

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Quote from: Buffer Overflow on December 19, 2012, 01:19:02 AM

Do we write down the value of Bitcoins now or at the time Sam stole them?

He was supposed to pay back in bitcoins under the terms of the agreement, so I think it is fair to demand coins be returned. That being the case, the USD value you've been defrauded of is in today's valuation and not when the contract was consummated.

Buffer Overflow

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Quote from: alexmat on December 18, 2012, 10:52:23 PM

Quote from: mining4fun11 on December 18, 2012, 09:37:52 PM

Quote from: alexmat on December 18, 2012, 09:31:26 PM

Quote from: Gladamas on December 18, 2012, 09:13:29 PM

I think it's time for legal action.

Filing a fraud claim with the Illinois Attorney General is a good place to start. It's free and doesn't limit you from further litigation. I recommend everyone affected take 5-10 minutes to print out the fraud complaint form and mail it in.

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/consumers/index.html

Here is the info we have on him to help you fill out the form:

RESIDENCE:

SAM THEOFANOPOULOS
9344 W VALLEY FARM DR
FRANKFORT, IL 60423-6505

BUSINESS:

Real People Realty / South & West Suburbs (More)
Sam Theofanopoulos
7262 W Benton Dr
Frankfort, IL 60423

815-469-7449
708-822-4450 cell phone

I don't see a checkbox for btc on the form. Are you sure this the right form. Like I said it will be interesting to see where this goes. I'm done trolling. Good luck guys and gals.

That brings up a good point. Please claim the fraud amount in USD based value terms. Just like if someone defrauded you out of a car, you would claim the USD value of that car. Likewise, make sure you claim the USD value of the bitcoins.

Do we write down the value of Bitcoins now or at the time Sam stole them?

alexmat

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Quote from: mining4fun11 on December 18, 2012, 09:37:52 PM

Quote from: alexmat on December 18, 2012, 09:31:26 PM

Quote from: Gladamas on December 18, 2012, 09:13:29 PM

I think it's time for legal action.

Filing a fraud claim with the Illinois Attorney General is a good place to start. It's free and doesn't limit you from further litigation. I recommend everyone affected take 5-10 minutes to print out the fraud complaint form and mail it in.

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/consumers/index.html

Here is the info we have on him to help you fill out the form:

RESIDENCE:

SAM THEOFANOPOULOS
9344 W VALLEY FARM DR
FRANKFORT, IL 60423-6505

BUSINESS:

Real People Realty / South & West Suburbs (More)
Sam Theofanopoulos
7262 W Benton Dr
Frankfort, IL 60423

815-469-7449
708-822-4450 cell phone

I don't see a checkbox for btc on the form. Are you sure this the right form. Like I said it will be interesting to see where this goes. I'm done trolling. Good luck guys and gals.

That brings up a good point. Please claim the fraud amount in USD based value terms. Just like if someone defrauded you out of a car, you would claim the USD value of that car. Likewise, make sure you claim the USD value of the bitcoins.

Buffer Overflow

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I got a feeling 'mining4fun11' is our old friend Hashking under a different username.

mining4fun11

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Quote from: alexmat on December 18, 2012, 09:31:26 PM

Quote from: Gladamas on December 18, 2012, 09:13:29 PM

I think it's time for legal action.

Filing a fraud claim with the Illinois Attorney General is a good place to start. It's free and doesn't limit you from further litigation. I recommend everyone affected take 5-10 minutes to print out the fraud complaint form and mail it in.

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/consumers/index.html

Here is the info we have on him to help you fill out the form:

RESIDENCE:

SAM THEOFANOPOULOS
9344 W VALLEY FARM DR
FRANKFORT, IL 60423-6505

BUSINESS:

Real People Realty / South & West Suburbs (More)
Sam Theofanopoulos
7262 W Benton Dr
Frankfort, IL 60423

815-469-7449
708-822-4450 cell phone

I don't see a checkbox for btc on the form. Are you sure this the right form. Like I said it will be interesting to see where this goes. I'm done trolling. Good luck guys and gals.

alexmat

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Quote from: Gladamas on December 18, 2012, 09:13:29 PM

I think it's time for legal action.

Filing a fraud claim with the Illinois Attorney General is a good place to start. It's free and doesn't limit you from further litigation. I recommend everyone affected take 5-10 minutes to print out the fraud complaint form and mail it in.

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/consumers/index.html

Here is the info we have on him to help you fill out the form:

RESIDENCE:

SAM THEOFANOPOULOS
9344 W VALLEY FARM DR
FRANKFORT, IL 60423-6505

BUSINESS:

Real People Realty / South & West Suburbs (More)
Sam Theofanopoulos
7262 W Benton Dr
Frankfort, IL 60423

815-469-7449
708-822-4450 cell phone

mining4fun11

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Quote from: Gladamas on December 18, 2012, 09:13:29 PM

I think it's time for legal action.

Do you mean the same legal action that was used to get Pirate. You guys are funny. It will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere.

Gladamas

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Bitcoin today is what the internet was in 1998.

I think it's time for legal action.

mining4fun11

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Quote from: wachtwoord on December 18, 2012, 05:16:46 PM

Quote from: Otoh on December 18, 2012, 11:17:36 AM

The last that I heard from him was on the 5th Dec:

"... I'm currently waiting two weeks to gather everyone's offers. After that I will give a timeline. It shouldn't take too long."

So there should be an update soon as it's two weeks from then tomorrow, hopefully by the weekend at latest.

I received the same message December 3rd.

LOL he probably pulled a runner knowing that he can't pay you or that there isnt really much you can do.

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Quote from: Otoh on December 18, 2012, 11:17:36 AM

The last that I heard from him was on the 5th Dec:

"... I'm currently waiting two weeks to gather everyone's offers. After that I will give a timeline. It shouldn't take too long."

So there should be an update soon as it's two weeks from then tomorrow, hopefully by the weekend at latest.

I received the same message December 3rd.

mining4fun11

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He's hoping for the end of the world this Friday so he doesn't have to pay up. Grin

This guy is a deadbeat from the information that I found on the net. Good luck trying to get anything from him.

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The last that I heard from him was on the 5th Dec:

"... I'm currently waiting two weeks to gather everyone's offers. After that I will give a timeline. It shouldn't take too long."

So there should be an update soon as it's two weeks from then tomorrow, hopefully by the weekend at latest.

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Latest on this? Sam and I were PM'ing back & forth about a settlement but he has since been AWOL.

Buffer Overflow

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So how do I know that my coins (full or part) were in fact not sent to pirate. And were used to invest in mining equipment instead? The mining equipment still exists and in your control, so the coins can be reclaimed. (Albeit at a second hand price loss.)

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Quote from: hashking on December 04, 2012, 04:31:27 PM

I sent the btc to places I thought were going to bring a good return. So no this wasn't a scam. I got scammed and that is why I'm not able to return all the coins.

And yet you claim to have no records which can prove that a single BTC of user funds were sent to pirate or spent on hardware rather than blown at the casino or spent on hookers and blow.

Are you as careless about keeping records related to your non-Bitcoin dealings?

coblee

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Quote from: hashking on December 04, 2012, 04:31:27 PM

Quote from: repentance on December 04, 2012, 04:26:41 PM

Quote from: hashking on December 04, 2012, 04:03:00 PM

I really didn't keep much records. The only thing I used was the website for making payments and taking in deposits.

If you didn't keep records, how can you have been operating anything other than a scam from the outset? You've pretty much just admitted that you spent any funds which were in your wallet however you felt like spending them at the time and that you basically treated user deposits as your personal piggy-bank.

I sent the btc to places I thought were going to bring a good return. So no this wasn't a scam. I got scammed and that is why I'm not able to return all the coins.

How many coins do you owe? How many coins do you have with Pirate? You must know these 2 numbers.

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Quote from: repentance on December 04, 2012, 04:26:41 PM

Quote from: hashking on December 04, 2012, 04:03:00 PM

I really didn't keep much records. The only thing I used was the website for making payments and taking in deposits.

If you didn't keep records, how can you have been operating anything other than a scam from the outset? You've pretty much just admitted that you spent any funds which were in your wallet however you felt like spending them at the time and that you basically treated user deposits as your personal piggy-bank.

I sent the btc to places I thought were going to bring a good return. So no this wasn't a scam. I got scammed and that is why I'm not able to return all the coins.

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Quote from: hashking on December 04, 2012, 04:03:00 PM

I really didn't keep much records. The only thing I used was the website for making payments and taking in deposits.

If you didn't keep records, how can you have been operating anything other than a scam from the outset? You've pretty much just admitted that you spent any funds which were in your wallet however you felt like spending them at the time and that you basically treated user deposits as your personal piggy-bank.

hashking

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Quote from: coblee on December 04, 2012, 04:08:55 PM

Quote from: hashking on December 04, 2012, 04:03:00 PM

Quote from: Equilux on December 04, 2012, 03:56:01 PM

Quote from: coblee on December 03, 2012, 11:07:49 PM

Hashking's guaranteed and insured deposit = just like pirate's BTCST with the same risks and 1/4 of the rewards.

If you are interested in settling, I would ask you to come clean with your books.
How many coins did you take in and where did it all go? How much of it was a pass through to Pirate? How much of it is owed to you by other members? And who are those other people? How much of it went into purchase of mining hardware? What kind of mining hardware do you have?

I agree, to be able to steer towards a fair settlement I think a significant amount of transparency is vital.

I really didn't keep much records. The only thing I used was the website for making payments and taking in deposits.

You didn't keep records of how the money was used?!? You don't know who owes you what? How much did you have passed through to Pirate?
If I were you, I'd post information about everyone that owes you money and try harder to get money back from them.

You don't know how much of it was used to buy mining hardware? How many ghash do you have?

Or did you actually just put all of it with Pirate?

I think you need to be more open than just saying "I really didn't keep much records".

I really didn't keep track of where funds went. If I had coins in my wallet I would buy hardware, make loans, send to pirate. Most of the Funds were lost because I reinvested with Pirate. I also has purchased mining equipment that is running at 30 gh/s. I did spend a decent amount of coins on the hardware when the price was 3-4 per BTC. If you are looking for specifics I don't have them as I really didn't keep any spreadsheets.

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Quote from: hashking on December 04, 2012, 04:03:00 PM

Quote from: Equilux on December 04, 2012, 03:56:01 PM

Quote from: coblee on December 03, 2012, 11:07:49 PM

Hashking's guaranteed and insured deposit = just like pirate's BTCST with the same risks and 1/4 of the rewards.

If you are interested in settling, I would ask you to come clean with your books.
How many coins did you take in and where did it all go? How much of it was a pass through to Pirate? How much of it is owed to you by other members? And who are those other people? How much of it went into purchase of mining hardware? What kind of mining hardware do you have?

I agree, to be able to steer towards a fair settlement I think a significant amount of transparency is vital.

I really didn't keep much records. The only thing I used was the website for making payments and taking in deposits.

You didn't keep records of how the money was used?!? You don't know who owes you what? How much did you have passed through to Pirate?
If I were you, I'd post information about everyone that owes you money and try harder to get money back from them.

You don't know how much of it was used to buy mining hardware? How many ghash do you have?

Or did you actually just put all of it with Pirate?

I think you need to be more open than just saying "I really didn't keep much records".

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